I hope they don't pull that twice. I agree that it is a realistic theory, I just strongly hope that's not what it means. Actually it probably doesn't considering the "'thought' you were dead" phrase. I'll just keep hoping lol.
Of the people in Lee's group - who survived until the end aside from Clem?
Omid and Christa - the two people who felt 'large groups get you killed'
In the series.... large groups? Lets see how well that's worked -
Woodbury? Gone.
The Prison? Gone.
Governor's Second Group? Gone.
Los Vatos? Gone.
The Army Base? Gone.
But I'm sure that Terminus will turn out better.
Michonne when she's just with Andrea? Doin' fine. Goes to Woodbury? Andrea's dead.
Merle and Daryl on their own? Kickin' butt and takin' names (especially if you take Survival Instinct as a prequel). They join up with a group? Merle gets his hand cut off. Then is killed trying to kill the governor for the Prison group.
More people = more that can go wrong, unless EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS COMPETENT. The odds of that are sadly low - in a group of people, there's always going to be at least one moron or person who loses it or someone who can't take it and kills themselves. Or in the case of Lee's group, 1 well-meaning moron, 1 person who loses it, 1 suicide (at least Katjaa shot herself in the head unlike that girl who was in Ben's first group), and 1 antagonistic bully.
Soon as you start taking in too many people, unless you have some sort of MASSIVE protection against outside and inside threats... too many people means more to get you killed. Too much chance that SOMEONE is going to do something stupid. Now, an incompetent person on his or her own? They're doomed. A COMPETENT person? They can survive on their own a lot better than a mix of competent and incompetent people in a group. Molly is like the alpha leader of competence.
I disagree whole-heartedly. Lee himself says being alone 'on the street' is a death sentance (paraphrase). The city was filled with a huge herd of walkers. Clem has every reason to believe the worst outcome. In the end, the dead always win.
I don't follow the TV series closely and I don't follow the comics at all.
Big groups eventually fall, usually, often because people become relaxed. If you can find a group of competent people then you have the best chance. Molly is the alpha of competence. Competence leading competence is recipe for sustainability.
Small groups usually fall too. The St Johns, Camp man's family. Lee's group (border small and medium), the bandit's camp (medium), Cancer group, Gil's pit stop group, Christa and Omid, The only reason singular people are alive and followed in TWD is because they have to follow someone.
Not rereading this, TWD is coming on so I'm going to watch it, so I hope it makes sense (if it doesn't I'll try to edit this before you see it )
Of the people in Lee's group - who survived until the end aside from Clem?
Omid and Christa - the two people who felt 'large groups get y… moreou killed'
In the series.... large groups? Lets see how well that's worked -
Woodbury? Gone.
The Prison? Gone.
Governor's Second Group? Gone.
Los Vatos? Gone.
The Army Base? Gone.
But I'm sure that Terminus will turn out better.
Michonne when she's just with Andrea? Doin' fine. Goes to Woodbury? Andrea's dead.
Merle and Daryl on their own? Kickin' butt and takin' names (especially if you take Survival Instinct as a prequel). They join up with a group? Merle gets his hand cut off. Then is killed trying to kill the governor for the Prison group.
More people = more that can go wrong, unless EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS COMPETENT. The odds of that are sadly low - in a group of people, there's always going to be at least one moron or person who loses it or someone who can't take it… [view original content]
i think it might most likely be kenny, not because im a fanboy, but because he was a very popular nuetral to friendly character ( depending on what choices you made) amongst the fans. but to clementine he was always friendly.
My point being, competence leading competence? Sure that's the best thing.
Most people are not competent. And the more people you have, the more likely you'll have at least one blissfully incompetent person who IS going to get other people killed. And the only reason they've survived as long as they have has been beause they've latched onto someone who IS competent.
So if you have to choose between being a competent solo person, and being a competent person with a bunch of other people who are a mixture of competent, semi-competent, and walking argument against Darwinian Survival of the Fittest.... I'd rather think being a competent solo person is preferable, which is why Molly is the LAST person i'd expect to have people think is dead, given how she had been doing JUST fine before the group. On her own.
It's actually a staple for ANY zombie genre. There's always going to be a group of people, and at least one person is going to mess it up for everyone because of his/her abject stupidity, despair, anger issues, accident, or simply losing it and going mental. It goes all the way back to the first Romero movies, and all the video games also
Happened in Dead Rising game with that idiot old woman who opened the mall front door because her DOG was out there amongst the zombies. Caused almost everyone to get killed. And she didnt even get the dog. She got torn apart.
Happened in The Walking Dead game with Ben, with Lilly, with Kenny...
Happens in the Resident Evil games...
Happens in Survival Instinct...
My point being.... For Molly, being alone is not a death sentence. Being with a group of idiots with little survival skill and slowpokes is.. She was able to scale down a building, across a bay, and get the jump on two people who were supposedly READY for her. And when the zombie horde came, it took her about 3 seconds to jump up to the fire escape to safety. THEN she also wound up saving Kenneth and Clem, and indirectly Lee by throwing down her climbing axe for him to use.
I don't follow the TV series closely and I don't follow the comics at all.
Big groups eventually fall, usually, often because people beco… moreme relaxed. If you can find a group of competent people then you have the best chance. Molly is the alpha of competence. Competence leading competence is recipe for sustainability.
Small groups usually fall too. The St Johns, Camp man's family. Lee's group (border small and medium), the bandit's camp (medium), Cancer group, Gil's pit stop group, Christa and Omid, The only reason singular people are alive and followed in TWD is because they have to follow someone.
Not rereading this, TWD is coming on so I'm going to watch it, so I hope it makes sense (if it doesn't I'll try to edit this before you see it )
Also, each of the small groups only fell because they got involved in a larger group.
The St. Johns because they got involved with Lee's group (and were sicko cannibals)
The cancer group because they stole the boat instead of staying where they were 'relatively' safe (especially once Crawford had fallen).
Gil's pit stop group because of how they reacted to the intruder. or because Stephanie (I think that's her name) decides to try to flee AND steal the medicine and food while doing so).
Christa and Omid - because THEY GOT INVOLVED WITH LEE'S GROUP
The bandit camp was actually already a large group so it's not a good argument on your part. Nor is Lee's group, which was also a large group.
The reason singular people are alive are because they're competent. NOT because they follow someone else.
I don't follow the TV series closely and I don't follow the comics at all.
Big groups eventually fall, usually, often because people beco… moreme relaxed. If you can find a group of competent people then you have the best chance. Molly is the alpha of competence. Competence leading competence is recipe for sustainability.
Small groups usually fall too. The St Johns, Camp man's family. Lee's group (border small and medium), the bandit's camp (medium), Cancer group, Gil's pit stop group, Christa and Omid, The only reason singular people are alive and followed in TWD is because they have to follow someone.
Not rereading this, TWD is coming on so I'm going to watch it, so I hope it makes sense (if it doesn't I'll try to edit this before you see it )
As it sits she has reason to believe Molly is dead, whether greater reason or not compared to Kenny or others is irrelevant because it exists and any quantity. Since that and the fact Clem must have known the person previously are the only two stipulations on the character in question that implies it could be her. The end.
My point being, competence leading competence? Sure that's the best thing.
Most people are not competent. And the more people you have, t… morehe more likely you'll have at least one blissfully incompetent person who IS going to get other people killed. And the only reason they've survived as long as they have has been beause they've latched onto someone who IS competent.
So if you have to choose between being a competent solo person, and being a competent person with a bunch of other people who are a mixture of competent, semi-competent, and walking argument against Darwinian Survival of the Fittest.... I'd rather think being a competent solo person is preferable, which is why Molly is the LAST person i'd expect to have people think is dead, given how she had been doing JUST fine before the group. On her own.
It's actually a staple for ANY zombie genre. There's always going to be a group of people, and at least one person is going to mess… [view original content]
Also, each of the small groups only fell because they got involved in a larger group.
The St. Johns because they got involved with Lee's … moregroup (and were sicko cannibals)
The cancer group because they stole the boat instead of staying where they were 'relatively' safe (especially once Crawford had fallen).
Gil's pit stop group because of how they reacted to the intruder. or because Stephanie (I think that's her name) decides to try to flee AND steal the medicine and food while doing so).
Christa and Omid - because THEY GOT INVOLVED WITH LEE'S GROUP
The bandit camp was actually already a large group so it's not a good argument on your part. Nor is Lee's group, which was also a large group.
The reason singular people are alive are because they're competent. NOT because they follow someone else.
And as it was hard for small groups to avoid others it would be hard for the singular to completely avoid people.
The bandit group was a … moremedium sized group as I said, and Lee's was border line medium... as I said.
The point is moot, it could be Molly.
I don't believe she will return, even though I see her as being the most interesting character they could throw Clem's way at the moment due to her personality. But yes, she does have reason to believe she is dead, this is hardly arguable and the same fruitless rant with another person will not change that. Sorry.
Well if you did read what I wrote, you'd see why she does NOT have a reason to believe that Molly is dead.
Especially compared to... pretty much anyone else she's ever met, including Christa, Kenny, Lilly, and every single other person she's ever met in Episode 1.
Well I'm not reading that, sorry, it's late.
As it sits she has reason to believe Molly is dead, whether greater reason or not compared t… moreo Kenny or others is irrelevant because it exists and any quantity. Since that and the fact Clem must have known the person previously are the only two stipulations on the character in question that implies it could be her. The end.
Actually it's not as hard for a single person to avoid others. Especially when that single person is mobile like Molly and not tied down to one place. When you're in a group, you're only as fast and evasive as your slowest member. When you're one person, if you're fast and evasive, you don't have to stop for anyone.
Molly's not coming back - she's still in Savannah and doing fine using the bells to evade walkers and leaping around like she's freaking spider-man. And Clem has no reason to think otherwise.
And as it was hard for small groups to avoid others it would be hard for the singular to completely avoid people.
The bandit group was a … moremedium sized group as I said, and Lee's was border line medium... as I said.
The point is moot, it could be Molly.
Lilly and Vernon. It.. just makes sense. Lilly's an asshole who got kicked out or ran away from the group(determinant), Vernon's an asshole who ran away from the group, it just makes sense doesn't it? :P
I honestly hope that it's either Kenny or Molly since both characters were pretty complex and deserved more introspection. An argument can be made that Kenny has already ran his developmental course, as far as fleshing out the character like they did with the death of his family and his eventual sacrifice, but as shown in the Comic Book; even the most common characters have room for growth. As far as Molly goes, we 've only seen the end of her story and what led to her eventually uniting with the crew for a episode, other than that she's pretty much an open book and has limitless potential on where the character can grow. Given Telltale's trickiness though, we'll probably end up with Lilly staring back at Clementine.
I think Reunion is when we will meet the ITYWD person,so basically we just get to see them and then it cuts to "next time on the walking dead" and Old Friends could mean the 400 Days survivors like many are saying but who knows,tomorrow we will see or at least some of us will see,I won't until it is released for xbox.
As I said, she does. As I also said even if she has more reason to believe another dead (Kenny or Lilly) is irrelevant, it is there so it is possible. It isn't who she thinks is more likely dead just who she thinks is dead. If thinking someone more likely dead was a stipulation of the situation then by that logic it is more likely Lee than anyone else (actually camp man more so even than Lee since she didn't watch Lee die in some play though but watched the latter die in every play though... so if your train of thought is correct then it is more likely camp man than anyone) But we know better.
Well if you did read what I wrote, you'd see why she does NOT have a reason to believe that Molly is dead.
Especially compared to... pret… morety much anyone else she's ever met, including Christa, Kenny, Lilly, and every single other person she's ever met in Episode 1.
As I said I don't think she will return, I think she could return. She probably isn't in Savannah anymore since hundreds and hundreds of walkers were drawn to the city.
It is always hard to avoid people. Look at 'The Road' with nearly the entire population of the earth gone they still can't avoid the few confrontations they get into.
Actually it's not as hard for a single person to avoid others. Especially when that single person is mobile like Molly and not tied down to … moreone place. When you're in a group, you're only as fast and evasive as your slowest member. When you're one person, if you're fast and evasive, you don't have to stop for anyone.
Molly's not coming back - she's still in Savannah and doing fine using the bells to evade walkers and leaping around like she's freaking spider-man. And Clem has no reason to think otherwise.
i think when clem reaches to the ski lounge she meets the mysterious person also the ski lounge can be seen in the preview when the group is getting threatened by carvers group
Lilly and Vernon. It.. just makes sense. Lilly's an asshole who got kicked out or ran away from the group(determinant), Vernon's an asshole who ran away from the group, it just makes sense doesn't it? :P
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I hope they don't pull that twice. I agree that it is a realistic theory, I just strongly hope that's not what it means. Actually it probably doesn't considering the "'thought' you were dead" phrase. I'll just keep hoping lol.
"It is! And we're tossing him out NOW!"
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Oh, I thought we were doing quotes. My bad.
Of the people in Lee's group - who survived until the end aside from Clem?
Omid and Christa - the two people who felt 'large groups get you killed'
In the series.... large groups? Lets see how well that's worked -
Woodbury? Gone.
The Prison? Gone.
Governor's Second Group? Gone.
Los Vatos? Gone.
The Army Base? Gone.
But I'm sure that Terminus will turn out better.
Michonne when she's just with Andrea? Doin' fine. Goes to Woodbury? Andrea's dead.
Merle and Daryl on their own? Kickin' butt and takin' names (especially if you take Survival Instinct as a prequel). They join up with a group? Merle gets his hand cut off. Then is killed trying to kill the governor for the Prison group.
More people = more that can go wrong, unless EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS COMPETENT. The odds of that are sadly low - in a group of people, there's always going to be at least one moron or person who loses it or someone who can't take it and kills themselves. Or in the case of Lee's group, 1 well-meaning moron, 1 person who loses it, 1 suicide (at least Katjaa shot herself in the head unlike that girl who was in Ben's first group), and 1 antagonistic bully.
Soon as you start taking in too many people, unless you have some sort of MASSIVE protection against outside and inside threats... too many people means more to get you killed. Too much chance that SOMEONE is going to do something stupid. Now, an incompetent person on his or her own? They're doomed. A COMPETENT person? They can survive on their own a lot better than a mix of competent and incompetent people in a group. Molly is like the alpha leader of competence.
I don't follow the TV series closely and I don't follow the comics at all.
Big groups eventually fall, usually, often because people become relaxed. If you can find a group of competent people then you have the best chance. Molly is the alpha of competence. Competence leading competence is recipe for sustainability.
Small groups usually fall too. The St Johns, Camp man's family. Lee's group (border small and medium), the bandit's camp (medium), Cancer group, Gil's pit stop group, Christa and Omid, The only reason singular people are alive and followed in TWD is because they have to follow someone.
Not rereading this, TWD is coming on so I'm going to watch it, so I hope it makes sense (if it doesn't I'll try to edit this before you see it )
i think it might most likely be kenny, not because im a fanboy, but because he was a very popular nuetral to friendly character ( depending on what choices you made) amongst the fans. but to clementine he was always friendly.
My point being, competence leading competence? Sure that's the best thing.
Most people are not competent. And the more people you have, the more likely you'll have at least one blissfully incompetent person who IS going to get other people killed. And the only reason they've survived as long as they have has been beause they've latched onto someone who IS competent.
So if you have to choose between being a competent solo person, and being a competent person with a bunch of other people who are a mixture of competent, semi-competent, and walking argument against Darwinian Survival of the Fittest.... I'd rather think being a competent solo person is preferable, which is why Molly is the LAST person i'd expect to have people think is dead, given how she had been doing JUST fine before the group. On her own.
It's actually a staple for ANY zombie genre. There's always going to be a group of people, and at least one person is going to mess it up for everyone because of his/her abject stupidity, despair, anger issues, accident, or simply losing it and going mental. It goes all the way back to the first Romero movies, and all the video games also
Happened in Dead Rising game with that idiot old woman who opened the mall front door because her DOG was out there amongst the zombies. Caused almost everyone to get killed. And she didnt even get the dog. She got torn apart.
Happened in The Walking Dead game with Ben, with Lilly, with Kenny...
Happens in the Resident Evil games...
Happens in Survival Instinct...
My point being.... For Molly, being alone is not a death sentence. Being with a group of idiots with little survival skill and slowpokes is.. She was able to scale down a building, across a bay, and get the jump on two people who were supposedly READY for her. And when the zombie horde came, it took her about 3 seconds to jump up to the fire escape to safety. THEN she also wound up saving Kenneth and Clem, and indirectly Lee by throwing down her climbing axe for him to use.
Also, each of the small groups only fell because they got involved in a larger group.
The St. Johns because they got involved with Lee's group (and were sicko cannibals)
The cancer group because they stole the boat instead of staying where they were 'relatively' safe (especially once Crawford had fallen).
Gil's pit stop group because of how they reacted to the intruder. or because Stephanie (I think that's her name) decides to try to flee AND steal the medicine and food while doing so).
Christa and Omid - because THEY GOT INVOLVED WITH LEE'S GROUP
The bandit camp was actually already a large group so it's not a good argument on your part. Nor is Lee's group, which was also a large group.
The reason singular people are alive are because they're competent. NOT because they follow someone else.
Well I'm not reading that, sorry, it's late.
As it sits she has reason to believe Molly is dead, whether greater reason or not compared to Kenny or others is irrelevant because it exists and any quantity. Since that and the fact Clem must have known the person previously are the only two stipulations on the character in question that implies it could be her. The end.
And as it was hard for small groups to avoid others it would be hard for the singular to completely avoid people.
The bandit group was a medium sized group as I said, and Lee's was border line medium... as I said.
The point is moot, it could be Molly.
You are lying to yourself there being blind is not gonna make her return Clementine has no reason to believe Molly is dead
I don't believe she will return, even though I see her as being the most interesting character they could throw Clem's way at the moment due to her personality. But yes, she does have reason to believe she is dead, this is hardly arguable and the same fruitless rant with another person will not change that. Sorry.
Well if you did read what I wrote, you'd see why she does NOT have a reason to believe that Molly is dead.
Especially compared to... pretty much anyone else she's ever met, including Christa, Kenny, Lilly, and every single other person she's ever met in Episode 1.
Actually it's not as hard for a single person to avoid others. Especially when that single person is mobile like Molly and not tied down to one place. When you're in a group, you're only as fast and evasive as your slowest member. When you're one person, if you're fast and evasive, you don't have to stop for anyone.
Molly's not coming back - she's still in Savannah and doing fine using the bells to evade walkers and leaping around like she's freaking spider-man. And Clem has no reason to think otherwise.
Lilly and Vernon. It.. just makes sense. Lilly's an asshole who got kicked out or ran away from the group(determinant), Vernon's an asshole who ran away from the group, it just makes sense doesn't it? :P
I honestly hope that it's either Kenny or Molly since both characters were pretty complex and deserved more introspection. An argument can be made that Kenny has already ran his developmental course, as far as fleshing out the character like they did with the death of his family and his eventual sacrifice, but as shown in the Comic Book; even the most common characters have room for growth. As far as Molly goes, we 've only seen the end of her story and what led to her eventually uniting with the crew for a episode, other than that she's pretty much an open book and has limitless potential on where the character can grow. Given Telltale's trickiness though, we'll probably end up with Lilly staring back at Clementine.
I think Reunion is when we will meet the ITYWD person,so basically we just get to see them and then it cuts to "next time on the walking dead" and Old Friends could mean the 400 Days survivors like many are saying but who knows,tomorrow we will see or at least some of us will see,I won't until it is released for xbox.
As I said, she does. As I also said even if she has more reason to believe another dead (Kenny or Lilly) is irrelevant, it is there so it is possible. It isn't who she thinks is more likely dead just who she thinks is dead. If thinking someone more likely dead was a stipulation of the situation then by that logic it is more likely Lee than anyone else (actually camp man more so even than Lee since she didn't watch Lee die in some play though but watched the latter die in every play though... so if your train of thought is correct then it is more likely camp man than anyone) But we know better.
As I said I don't think she will return, I think she could return. She probably isn't in Savannah anymore since hundreds and hundreds of walkers were drawn to the city.
It is always hard to avoid people. Look at 'The Road' with nearly the entire population of the earth gone they still can't avoid the few confrontations they get into.
i think when clem reaches to the ski lounge she meets the mysterious person also the ski lounge can be seen in the preview when the group is getting threatened by carvers group
It's Omid! Right guys?..........guys?.........it's..........it's Omid right?...... :'-(
Vernon is dead, stated for a fact in 400 days. Just thought I'd add that in there.