When The group met Matthew, I was Like "hell yeah, this is the asian guy from preview, maybe he is going to join our group" but well Nick and his trigger finger strikes again.
Besides, for about the fourth time, I am not saying Walter should have made it clear (even though he did). I'm saying that the other characters should have respected this by calling them something other than 'friends' when it is so obvious.
I think TT handled this the best that they could. The signs were there, given the amount of people who figured it out. I simply can't imagine an instance when Walter or someone else would reveal to Clem this particular detail, I just don't.
I say it, my friends say it, I've heard people in random locations say it. It is definitely said outside of relationships.
I have argued before that calling something gay is no longer homophobic, the meaning of the word has changed/is changing. There are new words which people use in purposefully trying to diminish homosexuals (ie faggot). Due to t that reasoning it is a completely understand able rebuttal. Queer, at one time, simply meant strange. The word has changed and therefore is usually used in a negative way. The same principal applies only in reverse.
You're right, what you implied was you wanted other characters to run on screen and say they were gay (which would be even weirder considering they had no definite proof they were a couple), how drastic a change and so much more understandable... sarcasm
1) No-one really says it outside of a relationship context anyway, not these days.
2) As a linguistics student, analysing the english lan… moreguage is interesting to me, and it's certainly useful.
Like so, for an example...
Okay, colloquially ';gay' means 'bad' lately doesn't it? Like 'that's so gay' or similar?
Right, well if you tell someone that saying such a thing is homophobic, them saying 'ah but that's just the english language' is not a valid rebuttal.
And can you PLEASE tell me when I said I want people to come on screen and shout 'I'M GAY'? I genuinely never said that and I am upset that people keep putting these words into my mouth.
Nor did I EVER say I want them to say that they were a couple! You're twisting my point!
I am referring to the fact that characters call them 'friends' when, as you so rightly say, it's easy to notice that they are a couple!
...my point that other people call them 'friends' become moot when someone I am not talking about refers to them as not friends?
Ok.....
I don't really like the idea of Clem being homophobic though, but she says that they are friends.
However, I do like the actual point you are making. I like it a lot. But apparently not everyone realised they were gay when they saw the picture which kind of removes the point doesn't it?
Your point becomes moot when Walter straight up says that Matthew is his partner. Otherwise, the game is character driven so it's safe to as… moresume the ones that call them friends could be concerned that some of the new people are homophobic or they are homophobic themselves. This goes without saying that Matthew having any relationship to Kenny's group is slowly building throughout the episode and the idea that he is more than just a friend lands even more with people who didn't realize before seeing the picture.
Ah, but just because the word is changing itmndoesn't mean we should disencourage people from saying it.
As it stands, with gay being used most often to mean homosexual and also often to mean bad, it IS rather homophobic to use it to mean something negative.
And...I don't think I ever implied that? I CERTAINLY did not mean too, and I really would hate that.
I say it, my friends say it, I've heard people in random locations say it. It is definitely said outside of relationships.
I have argued … morebefore that calling something gay is no longer homophobic, the meaning of the word has changed/is changing. There are new words which people use in purposefully trying to diminish homosexuals (ie faggot). Due to t that reasoning it is a completely understand able rebuttal. Queer, at one time, simply meant strange. The word has changed and therefore is usually used in a negative way. The same principal applies only in reverse.
You're right, what you implied was you wanted other characters to run on screen and say they were gay (which would be even weirder considering they had no definite proof they were a couple), how drastic a change and so much more understandable... sarcasm
Pretty sure Telltale just figured we could read between the lines, and Walter's words and body language itself makes it telling. Also the fact that we're having this conversation actually is pretty cool because it shows that the fact that these characters were gay is pretty much incidental to the fact that they're people and in the middle of a zombie apocalypse and terrible shit happens to them.
Also for those who wanted their relationship spelled out more, what did you want really? I mean, how many gay couples do you know that are like "Oh hi, this is my partner Mathew, and by the way we're gay! " and then they fart rainbows while Freddy Mercury is playing on the radio, and then at the end one of them dies of AIDS and the other one gets beat up in an alleyway in New York after leaving a Broadway show. It's not how it works in real life. Maybe in bad TV shows, but not in reality.
When you're saying TT is skirting the issue and one of the gay characters they wrote confirms it your point most certainly becomes moot. Clem is no older than 11. What makes you think she understands the concept of a homosexual relationship, much less putting together vague clues to identify one?
...my point that other people call them 'friends' become moot when someone I am not talking about refers to them as not friends?
Ok.....
… more
I don't really like the idea of Clem being homophobic though, but she says that they are friends.
However, I do like the actual point you are making. I like it a lot. But apparently not everyone realised they were gay when they saw the picture which kind of removes the point doesn't it?
Shutup Flog61. You're an idiot. Viva-La-Lee is right. If any guy was referring to another guy as "my man". It doesn't necessarily mean "my boyfriend". Quite the opposite actually in most circumstances! Same thing if it was visa versa and a girl referred to another girl as "my girl". I'm always calling my friends that! It's a sign that they are a good friend.
...Walter DID tell Clem this detail.
Besides, for about the fourth time, I am not saying Walter should have made it clear (even though he… more did). I'm saying that the other characters should have respected this by calling them something other than 'friends' when it is so obvious.
I'm gay and I liked the fact that it was ambiguous/not so obvious! Realistically when a gay couple/gay person first meets new people you try to let other people work it out for themselves that you're gay instead of just pointing it out because that is more unnatural/uncomfortable.
Pretty sure you are not correct about 'my man for x' I've never heard that unless the person was referring to illegal items, otherwise it's … morejust referring to him being a friend.
So what your doing is calling out the English language, or how people interpret it more so? Yeah.... kay. We shall now change the way we understand our language to appease you. Any other changes you would like to make?
I'll leave on this note. Your constant pleading cries for someone to come on screen and say "HEY YEAH EVERYONE, IM GAY." Just so you can say there is a gay person in TWO is becoming annoying. You said it yourself that it was easy to notice these two were a couple so why is that not good enough for you? Everyone with half a brain can see they were more than simple friends due to all the reasons you posted previously. They were gay, why does it make it more meaningful for them to blatantly say it?
And how exactly does that make it any better? What should the other characters call them? In my opinion, it would've made things even weirder(No,i'm not a homophobe). I assume Walter and Matthew would've told the group themselves in their own time. I mean, let's say you know a gay couple and a couple of strangers walk through your door, I assume you ain't gonna say to the strangers they are lovers in the first few minutes,right? Anyway, we really shouldn't make a big deal out of this thing.
...Walter DID tell Clem this detail.
Besides, for about the fourth time, I am not saying Walter should have made it clear (even though he… more did). I'm saying that the other characters should have respected this by calling them something other than 'friends' when it is so obvious.
What a useless thread. Who cares whether or not it's stated indirectly instead of out in the open.
There are flamers (people who are explicitly gay) and then there are gays (people who don't feel the need to openly say it).
1) No-one really says it outside of a relationship context anyway, not these days.
2) As a linguistics student, analysing the english lan… moreguage is interesting to me, and it's certainly useful.
Like so, for an example...
Okay, colloquially ';gay' means 'bad' lately doesn't it? Like 'that's so gay' or similar?
Right, well if you tell someone that saying such a thing is homophobic, them saying 'ah but that's just the english language' is not a valid rebuttal.
And can you PLEASE tell me when I said I want people to come on screen and shout 'I'M GAY'? I genuinely never said that and I am upset that people keep putting these words into my mouth.
Nor did I EVER say I want them to say that they were a couple! You're twisting my point!
I am referring to the fact that characters call them 'friends' when, as you so rightly say, it's easy to notice that they are a couple!
If what you're saying is true, i dont think ttg would have a problem with saying that two male characters are gay. We have like 2 gay couples in the Walking Dead comic right now and one of them is PAUL FRICKING MONROE AKA JESUS. And no one cares because Jesus is badass. Its not about putting labels on people, but this topic is definetly interesting.
Do you mean we shouldn't encourage people saying it? I disagree, in its current progression it is moving to a word in similar fashion to stupid or dumb, it is moving from a derogatory statement used against homosexuals (which homosexuals adapted to mean just homosexual for a brief time) to a word a child gets slapped on the wrist for saying. I'd rather have the latter to the previous. But by disagree I don't mean we should encourage people to say it, just that it shouldn't be viewed as a bad transition.
It you didn't want the characters to call then a couple and you don't want the couple to call themselves a couple (or synonym for couple on either account) then what did you mean by "did you really feel you had to not state it?" Someone had to state it! If you eliminate everyone from that listen then who is left? The wind? A caption at the bottom saying 'you found the couple!' Or an achievement?
Ah, but just because the word is changing itmndoesn't mean we should disencourage people from saying it.
As it stands, with gay being use… mored most often to mean homosexual and also often to mean bad, it IS rather homophobic to use it to mean something negative.
And...I don't think I ever implied that? I CERTAINLY did not mean too, and I really would hate that.
Personally I liked the way they handled Walt's and Matthews relationship. I can see the OP's point of view, the relationship was more subtle then say Alvin's and Rebecca's, but I think thats more down to Walt's characterisation than anything, he came across as someone who would say partner rather then boyfriend for example
A little of topic but do you think Kenny knew they where gay? I found his gay dig at Nick and Luke strange considering Walt and Matthew's relationship.
I'm gay and I liked the fact that it was ambiguous/not so obvious! Realistically when a gay couple/gay person first meets new people you try… more to let other people work it out for themselves that you're gay instead of just pointing it out because that is more unnatural/uncomfortable.
What a useless thread. Who cares whether or not it's stated indirectly instead of out in the open.
There are flamers (people who are explicitly gay) and then there are gays (people who don't feel the need to openly say it).
I to noticed that, but I saw it more as homophobia on Luke and Nick's part as opposed to Kenny. I reckon he must have realised by now, I mean they would be sharing a room
Personally I liked the way they handled Walt's and Matthews relationship. I can see the OP's point of view, the relationship was more subtl… moree then say Alvin's and Rebecca's, but I think thats more down to Walt's characterisation than anything, he came across as someone who would say partner rather then boyfriend for example
A little of topic but do you think Kenny knew they where gay? I found his gay dig at Nick and Luke strange considering Walt and Matthew's relationship.
Shutup Flog61. You're an idiot. Viva-La-Lee is right. If any guy was referring to another guy as "my man". It doesn't necessarily mean "my b… moreoyfriend". Quite the opposite actually in most circumstances! Same thing if it was visa versa and a girl referred to another girl as "my girl". I'm always calling my friends that! It's a sign that they are a good friend.
no but in todays society it is just easier for a guy to introduce his girlfriend, than a guy to introduce his boyfriend. neither would be shoving it down peoples throats, but its more to do with gay people not being as confident to be open about it, at least in my opinion anyway. How this episode dealt with it is very realistic, wether it's right or wrong for everyone to all be happy and open about it... that is just not what it's like in society.
Why did Kenny need to tell us he was married to Katjaa?
Why did he need to tell us that he was in a relationship with Sarita?
Is he no… moret, by most people here's definition of shoving 'homosexuality down peoples throats', shoving Heterosexuality down people's throats?
EDIT: It would be nice if my disliker groupies would actually tell me HOW this assertion is wrong rather than just disliking it. That just helps no-one.
...friends with arms around each other, taking vacations with each other, engraving a knife with their initials, and talking about themselves as 'partner'?
Come on dude we're basically hit over the head with all the hinting.
If you saw a woman and a man with all of that info: engraved initials, arms around each other, vacationing alone, would you think they were just really good friends?
@Flog61
"friends with arms around each other, taking vacations with each other, engraving a knife with their initials, and talking about themselves as 'partner'?"
Literally everything stated in that sentence aside from the reference of "partner" can be deemed hetero. Me and my best friend took pictures with our arms thrown over each others shoulders, took vacations together, wrote our names into wet cement, etc. That's a pretty weak argument to anyone who has a brother or a best friend. I have both.
...friends with arms around each other, taking vacations with each other, engraving a knife with their initials, and talking about themselve… mores as 'partner'?
Come on dude we're basically hit over the head with all the hinting.
If you saw a woman and a man with all of that info: engraved initials, arms around each other, vacationing alone, would you think they were just really good friends?
I would have to agree with Flog61, Walt's use of the word partner to describe their relationship and the engraved knife ( awesome present to give someone btw) point to it pretty clearly, but Walt's very emotional line to Nick "do you realise what you've done to me?" (or something to that effect) clinches it, for me at least.
...friends with arms around each other, taking vacations with each other, engraving a knife with their initials, and talking about themselve… mores as 'partner'?
Come on dude we're basically hit over the head with all the hinting.
If you saw a woman and a man with all of that info: engraved initials, arms around each other, vacationing alone, would you think they were just really good friends?
You think whether or not a character in a video game is openly gay is a social issue?
Yeah, people are different. To me, social issues involve bullying, war, famine, murder and racism. Not flaming video game characters.
So, ignoring the fact that writing a name in cement is slightly different to engraving initials on an expensive knife and giving it as a present, you have admitted that 'partner' does signify that they are in a relationship?
@Flog61
"friends with arms around each other, taking vacations with each other, engraving a knife with their initials, and talking about th… moreemselves as 'partner'?"
Literally everything stated in that sentence aside from the reference of "partner" can be deemed hetero. Me and my best friend took pictures with our arms thrown over each others shoulders, took vacations together, wrote our names into wet cement, etc. That's a pretty weak argument to anyone who has a brother or a best friend. I have both.
I would have to agree with Flog61, Walt's use of the word partner to describe their relationship and the engraved knife ( awesome present to… more give someone btw) point to it pretty clearly, but Walt's very emotional line to Nick "do you realise what you've done to me?" (or something to that effect) clinches it, for me at least.
WAKE UP Flog61... in an ideal world everything would be equal and gay people wouldn't be an awkward topic for some people. But in reality it is (for some!). At the end of the day Kenny and Katjaa were man and wife so of course they aren't going to call each other friends.
But this gay couple were obviously just partners and you don't really know how long this thing had been going on for prior to the zombie apocalypse. Fact is some characters referred to them as friends. (I cant remember which characters did). Whoever did refer to them as friends, that probably fitted their character to call them friends. A lot of straight guys try to just ignore the fact that people are gay even if they know it themselves. Maybe the gay characters weren't totally honest with Kenny and co.
Point is in a realistic world gay people are still a touchy subject to some people and TTG did a good job in showing what its like for gay people. I know you're trying to argue your point Flog61 about not understanding why all the characters chose to beat around the bush that they were in a relationship, but we aren't living in that kind of world, and The Walking Dead characters certainly aren't! Stop being so naive. Besides, it made things more interesting that we didn't explicitly know. I can't remember him calling him his partner so I just worked it out from the picture and the knife... but i liked that!
I think racism and homophobia are on par: discriminating against people because of something they can't control.
Here, people are refusin… moreg to recognise gay relationships as being as valid as straight ones, and expecting them to be treated differently.
@Flog61 "you have admitted that 'partner' does signify that they are in a relationship?"
Great now we're diving into semantics. A cheap ploy and tactic when you're losing an argument. Maybe you don't realize it, but I already know that those two were lovers. I'm just pointing out your arguments intellectual flaws. There's a reason why few people are agreeing with you. It's because you're blowing this way out of proportion.
So, ignoring the fact that writing a name in cement is slightly different to engraving initials on an expensive knife and giving it as a present, you have admitted that 'partner' does signify that they are in a relationship?
you raise a good point, the subtlety in the relationship was real considering the situation they where in, especially around Kenny. now I'm not saying Kenny comes across as intentionally homophobic, he doesn't always think before he opens his mouth, asking Lee to lockpick springs to mind here
WAKE UP Flog61... in an ideal world everything would be equal and gay people wouldn't be an awkward topic for some people. But in reality it… more is (for some!). At the end of the day Kenny and Katjaa were man and wife so of course they aren't going to call each other friends.
But this gay couple were obviously just partners and you don't really know how long this thing had been going on for prior to the zombie apocalypse. Fact is some characters referred to them as friends. (I cant remember which characters did). Whoever did refer to them as friends, that probably fitted their character to call them friends. A lot of straight guys try to just ignore the fact that people are gay even if they know it themselves. Maybe the gay characters weren't totally honest with Kenny and co.
Point is in a realistic world gay people are still a touchy subject to some people and TTG did a good job in showing what its like for gay people. I know you're trying… [view original content]
It's always nice to descend into personal insults isn't it?
And I could provide you with some evidence to show that I am in fact not an 'idiot' but I shan't at the risk of being called 'snobby'.
It's not rocket science. There is no high minded concept to figure out, unless we're going to blanket state that sexuality is only something adults can understand, and I'm well aware that that's not what's being stated.
What is being stated is that homosexuality is an adult concept as opposed to heterosexuality and that's total horse shit.
When you're saying TT is skirting the issue and one of the gay characters they wrote confirms it your point most certainly becomes moot. Cl… moreem is no older than 11. What makes you think she understands the concept of a homosexual relationship, much less putting together vague clues to identify one?
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When The group met Matthew, I was Like "hell yeah, this is the asian guy from preview, maybe he is going to join our group" but well Nick and his trigger finger strikes again.
...Walter DID tell Clem this detail.
Besides, for about the fourth time, I am not saying Walter should have made it clear (even though he did). I'm saying that the other characters should have respected this by calling them something other than 'friends' when it is so obvious.
I say it, my friends say it, I've heard people in random locations say it. It is definitely said outside of relationships.
I have argued before that calling something gay is no longer homophobic, the meaning of the word has changed/is changing. There are new words which people use in purposefully trying to diminish homosexuals (ie faggot). Due to t that reasoning it is a completely understand able rebuttal. Queer, at one time, simply meant strange. The word has changed and therefore is usually used in a negative way. The same principal applies only in reverse.
You're right, what you implied was you wanted other characters to run on screen and say they were gay (which would be even weirder considering they had no definite proof they were a couple), how drastic a change and so much more understandable... sarcasm
...my point that other people call them 'friends' become moot when someone I am not talking about refers to them as not friends?
Ok.....
I don't really like the idea of Clem being homophobic though, but she says that they are friends.
However, I do like the actual point you are making. I like it a lot. But apparently not everyone realised they were gay when they saw the picture which kind of removes the point doesn't it?
Ah, but just because the word is changing itmndoesn't mean we should disencourage people from saying it.
As it stands, with gay being used most often to mean homosexual and also often to mean bad, it IS rather homophobic to use it to mean something negative.
And...I don't think I ever implied that? I CERTAINLY did not mean too, and I really would hate that.
Pretty sure Telltale just figured we could read between the lines, and Walter's words and body language itself makes it telling. Also the fact that we're having this conversation actually is pretty cool because it shows that the fact that these characters were gay is pretty much incidental to the fact that they're people and in the middle of a zombie apocalypse and terrible shit happens to them.
Also for those who wanted their relationship spelled out more, what did you want really? I mean, how many gay couples do you know that are like "Oh hi, this is my partner Mathew, and by the way we're gay!
" and then they fart rainbows while Freddy Mercury is playing on the radio, and then at the end one of them dies of AIDS and the other one gets beat up in an alleyway in New York after leaving a Broadway show. It's not how it works in real life. Maybe in bad TV shows, but not in reality.
When you're saying TT is skirting the issue and one of the gay characters they wrote confirms it your point most certainly becomes moot. Clem is no older than 11. What makes you think she understands the concept of a homosexual relationship, much less putting together vague clues to identify one?
Shutup Flog61. You're an idiot. Viva-La-Lee is right. If any guy was referring to another guy as "my man". It doesn't necessarily mean "my boyfriend". Quite the opposite actually in most circumstances! Same thing if it was visa versa and a girl referred to another girl as "my girl". I'm always calling my friends that! It's a sign that they are a good friend.
Do you really think that Kenny is the type of a person who would accept a "gay relationship" in his group?
I don't think so.
Maybe some of them didn't figure it out? Maybe Kenny still isn't "urban" enough.
I'm gay and I liked the fact that it was ambiguous/not so obvious! Realistically when a gay couple/gay person first meets new people you try to let other people work it out for themselves that you're gay instead of just pointing it out because that is more unnatural/uncomfortable.
And how exactly does that make it any better? What should the other characters call them? In my opinion, it would've made things even weirder(No,i'm not a homophobe). I assume Walter and Matthew would've told the group themselves in their own time. I mean, let's say you know a gay couple and a couple of strangers walk through your door, I assume you ain't gonna say to the strangers they are lovers in the first few minutes,right? Anyway, we really shouldn't make a big deal out of this thing.
What a useless thread. Who cares whether or not it's stated indirectly instead of out in the open.
There are flamers (people who are explicitly gay) and then there are gays (people who don't feel the need to openly say it).
Probably enough to deal with it for survival purposes (end of the world and all) just not enough to call it what it is.
"I am referring to the fact that characters call them 'friends' when, as you so rightly say, it's easy to notice that they are a couple!"
Maybe the characters were calling them 'friends' because the gay guys weren't openly a couple?
If what you're saying is true, i dont think ttg would have a problem with saying that two male characters are gay. We have like 2 gay couples in the Walking Dead comic right now and one of them is PAUL FRICKING MONROE AKA JESUS. And no one cares because Jesus is badass. Its not about putting labels on people, but this topic is definetly interesting.
Do you mean we shouldn't encourage people saying it? I disagree, in its current progression it is moving to a word in similar fashion to stupid or dumb, it is moving from a derogatory statement used against homosexuals (which homosexuals adapted to mean just homosexual for a brief time) to a word a child gets slapped on the wrist for saying. I'd rather have the latter to the previous. But by disagree I don't mean we should encourage people to say it, just that it shouldn't be viewed as a bad transition.
It you didn't want the characters to call then a couple and you don't want the couple to call themselves a couple (or synonym for couple on either account) then what did you mean by "did you really feel you had to not state it?" Someone had to state it! If you eliminate everyone from that listen then who is left? The wind? A caption at the bottom saying 'you found the couple!' Or an achievement?
Personally I liked the way they handled Walt's and Matthews relationship. I can see the OP's point of view, the relationship was more subtle then say Alvin's and Rebecca's, but I think thats more down to Walt's characterisation than anything, he came across as someone who would say partner rather then boyfriend for example
A little of topic but do you think Kenny knew they where gay? I found his gay dig at Nick and Luke strange considering Walt and Matthew's relationship.
Hehe indeed. My best friend is gay and he has never straight up told me. It's just something I figured out
Would you not think it would be weird to describe Kenny and Katjaa as friends though?
I really just saw them as really good friends.
I to noticed that, but I saw it more as homophobia on Luke and Nick's part as opposed to Kenny. I reckon he must have realised by now, I mean they would be sharing a room
It's always nice to descend into personal insults isn't it?
And I could provide you with some evidence to show that I am in fact not an 'idiot' but I shan't at the risk of being called 'snobby'.
no but in todays society it is just easier for a guy to introduce his girlfriend, than a guy to introduce his boyfriend. neither would be shoving it down peoples throats, but its more to do with gay people not being as confident to be open about it, at least in my opinion anyway. How this episode dealt with it is very realistic, wether it's right or wrong for everyone to all be happy and open about it... that is just not what it's like in society.
To be honest, I just don't care.
...friends with arms around each other, taking vacations with each other, engraving a knife with their initials, and talking about themselves as 'partner'?
Come on dude we're basically hit over the head with all the hinting.
If you saw a woman and a man with all of that info: engraved initials, arms around each other, vacationing alone, would you think they were just really good friends?
@Flog61
"friends with arms around each other, taking vacations with each other, engraving a knife with their initials, and talking about themselves as 'partner'?"
Literally everything stated in that sentence aside from the reference of "partner" can be deemed hetero. Me and my best friend took pictures with our arms thrown over each others shoulders, took vacations together, wrote our names into wet cement, etc. That's a pretty weak argument to anyone who has a brother or a best friend. I have both.
I think not caring about social issues is odd, but people are different I guess.
Fair enough.
You think whether or not a character in a video game is openly gay is a social issue?
Yeah, people are different. To me, social issues involve bullying, war, famine, murder and racism. Not flaming video game characters.
I would have to agree with Flog61, Walt's use of the word partner to describe their relationship and the engraved knife ( awesome present to give someone btw) point to it pretty clearly, but Walt's very emotional line to Nick "do you realise what you've done to me?" (or something to that effect) clinches it, for me at least.
I think racism and homophobia are on par: discriminating against people because of something they can't control.
Here, people are refusing to recognise gay relationships as being as valid as straight ones, and expecting them to be treated differently.
So, ignoring the fact that writing a name in cement is slightly different to engraving initials on an expensive knife and giving it as a present, you have admitted that 'partner' does signify that they are in a relationship?
Apparently these guys describe their best friends as their 'partner'. Unconventional, but hey it's their life.
WAKE UP Flog61... in an ideal world everything would be equal and gay people wouldn't be an awkward topic for some people. But in reality it is (for some!). At the end of the day Kenny and Katjaa were man and wife so of course they aren't going to call each other friends.
But this gay couple were obviously just partners and you don't really know how long this thing had been going on for prior to the zombie apocalypse. Fact is some characters referred to them as friends. (I cant remember which characters did). Whoever did refer to them as friends, that probably fitted their character to call them friends. A lot of straight guys try to just ignore the fact that people are gay even if they know it themselves. Maybe the gay characters weren't totally honest with Kenny and co.
Point is in a realistic world gay people are still a touchy subject to some people and TTG did a good job in showing what its like for gay people. I know you're trying to argue your point Flog61 about not understanding why all the characters chose to beat around the bush that they were in a relationship, but we aren't living in that kind of world, and The Walking Dead characters certainly aren't! Stop being so naive. Besides, it made things more interesting that we didn't explicitly know. I can't remember him calling him his partner so I just worked it out from the picture and the knife... but i liked that!
@Flog61 Here, people are refusing to recognise gay relationships as being as valid as straight ones, and expecting them to be treated differently.
Not really. You're seriously the only person implying that.
@Flog61 "you have admitted that 'partner' does signify that they are in a relationship?"
Great now we're diving into semantics. A cheap ploy and tactic when you're losing an argument. Maybe you don't realize it, but I already know that those two were lovers. I'm just pointing out your arguments intellectual flaws. There's a reason why few people are agreeing with you. It's because you're blowing this way out of proportion.
you raise a good point, the subtlety in the relationship was real considering the situation they where in, especially around Kenny. now I'm not saying Kenny comes across as intentionally homophobic, he doesn't always think before he opens his mouth, asking Lee to lockpick springs to mind here
Doesn't want to be called snobby.
Says she has proof that she isn't an idiot.
Won't show it.
Uses the word shan't.
Well that was counteractive.
-_-"..... They were lovers dude..
It's not rocket science. There is no high minded concept to figure out, unless we're going to blanket state that sexuality is only something adults can understand, and I'm well aware that that's not what's being stated.
What is being stated is that homosexuality is an adult concept as opposed to heterosexuality and that's total horse shit.