In S2, people are immature, acting like lost kids.
Clementine is only 11 years old, but adults in S2 treat her like she is 20. When she was with Lee and Kenny in former group, everything was much better, more calm and warm, like they were real family and friends.
Lee was soooooo nice responsible brave guy compared to people in S2. though Pete was OK.
I even miss Ben. yeah Ben was stupid kid, but I like him better than Christa or Nick. I can understand why Christa was so snappy, but it's not clementines' fault.
and what's wrong with Rebecca and her husband? Are they 15 years old? Letting Clementine go in a warehouse when there might be walkers or dangerous things, asking her to give them food, blaming her for things happened to them,...
I'm glad Clementine is tough enough to handle this people.
I'm not done yet playing ep 2, but It's hard to find a character I can relate to or sympathize with.
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" When she was with Lee and Kenny in former group, everything was much better, more calm and warm, like they were real family and friends. "
" I'm not done yet playing ep 2, but It's hard to find a character I can relate to or sympathize with. "
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW......WWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!
It's called "independence", something that Clementine wants to earn, which they are letting her do. They are putting trust into her, something that you should be grateful for.
And there is no way a walker would be in the station when Mathew JUST CAME OUT OF IT!
I also don't get where you are finding these "Clem is being blamed for stuff". Care for example, please?
They didn't exactly say "I blame you", but you can see they are angry at Clem when bad things happen.
and Walkers always can be there even when someone just got out of the place safely. Walkers are everywhere and pop out of the blue. They just crawl in a place 1 minute after you thought the place was safe.
Well, if you mean Rebecca and Carlos, they were in a desperate situation and were extremely worried about their people. In the heat of the moment, things get intense, and people panic.
Sorry for Spoiling by the way...but i hope this will raise your spirit!
Yet another reason why killing Kenny in episode 3 would be a bad idea.
As Chuck said in S1 "You ain't no boy, you ain't no girl. You ain't young or old or strong or fast. You're alive."
They just treat Clem as they should be. A human being who must work and prove herself useful or be abandoned like the waste of resources she could be.
Time for cuteness and understanding is over.
Okay,SO...
Clementine is introduced to them as a little girl that's more independent and tough than any of them.She's been through a whole lot more than any of them,and still she keeps going,keeps on hoping,keeps on being badass,and,most importantly,still keeps on being a kid.I think that's really inspiring.Plus,in this new season,Clem is trying to earn independence,and i think everyone saw that.Carlos,for example,tried to keep her from going with Luke on the bridge,but my Clem said she can handle it.She said it because she CAN.And everyone knew that.Clementine doesn't need people protecting her anymore,i mean,she DOES,but not in the way she used to.Those people have their flaws,but they are NOT immature.You can't call persons that survived 2 years in the apocalypse "immature",at least,not most of them.And the group is starting to trust her,which is very important.And i'm pretty sure my Clem was never blamed for stuff.Maybe it's the way you acted towards some people,it's you choices that determine the consequences.My Clem and the group are on perfect terms with each other.And i agree,they sometimes act weird,but they're not immature.For example,that wind turbine scene.They let a little girl do the job,since they didn't know how to turn it off.They TRUSTED her to do the job,because she said she could.They are treating her like a grown-up,and a kid at the same time.
Independence and trust is what Clementine is fighting for in season 2.It's the attitudes like yours that prevent her from achieving them.The group is trusting Clementine now.My Clem,at least.
So your invalid is argument.
He won't die in episode 3...but Sarita probaply will and Kenny will be very sad and frustraded about it!
Come on, the guy was LIVING in the place in which he left moments ago. What do you think the likely hood of a walker just being inside is?
Not likely. I'm pretty sure if he slept there, he would make sure the place is secure.
This makes so much sense. (Not) Clem doesn't need someone following her around like a puppy she's not Sarah.
I get the feeling that although they are still alive two years into hell, they are not as seasoned as others, like Clem. Hear me out, they were presumably living in Carver's "utopia" until some time ago. We don't know exactly how much, and they said it themselves, they've had it somewhat easy except for Nick's "incident" with his mother. They could still be pretty "green" in many areas.
I'm not saying this automatically makes Clementine the strongest member of the group, she's still a kid. However, she may have been exposed to much more than this group of adults and has more of other kind of experience.
then why do they protect Sarah so desperately? Does she have some medical condition?
Season2 Epidoe5: " Pizza and ice cream...Spoiler Alert, but you can't have both of them! "
Kenny is a godlike, hot and fresh made pizza and Luke is a cold fresh piece of ice cream!
I think this season has a different focus, or theme. S1 was all about surviving, and although it was Lee's story, with Clem as the major focal point, it was also in large part about the group. How it formed, how it changed, and how they survived, sometimes together and sometimes not. I feel like this season is more a "solo" Clem adventure, if that makes sense. It's really just about her, and the other players, so far, have seemed more marginal than they did in S1. I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing, it's just different, but I think that's why you're feeling less attached to anyone in your group.
While Clementine is becoming a grown up at such a young age, which makes the story, I find the lack of responsibility from the adults fairly annoying.
Alvin sending her into find food by herself is just one exmaple. He ssends her in by herself because he wants to sit with Rebecca. It isn't about what you want, it's about what you need to do and the best way to get it done.
IdiotStatus
Well, I and other people have argued that we could still have formed stronger bonds with the cabin group if they had put some more downtime areas in which you could optionally talk to them ala S1's motel.
Err.. what about Nick... Vanilla Ice Cream....
Sure, they could have done it that way, but you have to assume TT had a reason for designing the game the way they did. They don't want Clem to become attached to this group the way she did to the crew in S1, because this season is about her growing up and becoming independant. She doesn't have a Lee to watch out for her, and although there are some good people in her current group (Luke, wherever he is, seems like a good guy, and Kenny is protective of Clem) I don't think the focus is on her building relationships with those people. I don't know that you'll see a relationship as fleshed out as say...Lee and Kenny from S1.
Yeah, but this isn't exclusive to adults in this new group. Shit, just look at the first five minutes of S2, Ep1. And it's not like she never wandered off without supervision in S1. Remember when Lee freaked out, only to find her in the boat shed?
Fair enough...but Nick is already dead in my playthough, lol
They didn't know much about Matthew until they met Kenny. Getting in stranger's warehouse is still dangerous. It's their choice not to go in there, but asking a kid to find some food for them? Hell, even in apocalypse world it's still not nice.
Yep. Remember Roman's group in 400 Days, and how they had zombie watch dogs chained up?
A solo experience doesn't work in TWD. It just doesn't. I mentioned in my review of All That Remains that I found that episode to be of the weakest ones because Clem was completely alone most of the time. I do not blame this on Clem as a character. I would have hated an episode with only Lee, too. TWD is at it's best when you have a group of people struggling to find trust and common ground while also having other people and walkers to deal with.
You want to show Clem is gaining independence and is growing? Fine, I'm all for it. In fact, I think they've done it pretty well for the most part this season, but focusing on one character alone is detrimental to the series.
Indeed, Omid and Christa is another fine example. The difference between the Lee situation and the above situation is Lee was trying to be responsible, Alvin was being useless. There is a difference between wandering off alone as a child and being told/asked to go do something alone as a child.
Oh yeah, Alvin is completely fucking useless. I almost hope the baby is Carver's.
I don't know, it might end up working. We're only 2 episodes into this season. And it's not a true solo experience (except for the first half of Ep1), she does have people around her, and there are underlying plot points. The focus is just MORE on Clem than it was on any one character in S1. I'm not writing it off completely yet, I have faith TT can make this season as good as the last.
Maybe but they really protect Sarah because she'll "cease to function"
It's still Carlos choice as to whether his daughter knows how bad it is
Clem knew about it thanks to lee
It was lees choice to teach clementine like it is for Carlos to make his choice about his daught
Yeah,she does.Did you see what she did when she saw Carver?She was hyperventilating.She can't handle stress well.That's why they try to protect her more,because she has this condition.And anyway,it's Carlos' daughter,he decides what's good for her.And,let's be honest,Sarah is totally NOT independent.I don't think you can be independent when you still have family to take care of.The ones that have no family are the ones who depend mostly on themselves,i think.Just an opinion.But,yeah,i think Sarah has a medical condition.
Well, Alvin did try to look for Clementine when you were with Nick or Pete, and he gave you a juice box.
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