" When she was with Lee and Kenny in former group, everything was much better, more calm and warm, like they were real family and friends. "
" I'm not done yet playing ep 2, but It's hard to find a character I can relate to or sympathize with. "
" Just pointing out that our opinion is not the only true one. "
If you would have read what whereisLee wrote, you would know that i didn't write this.
" When she was with Lee and Kenny in former group, everything was much better, more calm and warm, like they were real family and friends. "...that's what he wrote not me.
I was just trying to raise up the man's spirit, because he was complaining about that there are no likeable characters in Season2!
Not every Clem thought of Kenny as family.
Heck, not every Clem even liked Kenny: there is an option to say 'I didn't even like him'.
Also, before you shout at me, I'm a Kenny fan. Just pointing out that our opinion is not the only true one.
" Just pointing out that our opinion is not the only true one. "
If you would have read what whereisLee wrote, you would know that i didn… more't write this.
" When she was with Lee and Kenny in former group, everything was much better, more calm and warm, like they were real family and friends. "...that's what he wrote not me.
I was just trying to raise up the man's spirit, because he was complaining about that there are no likeable characters in Season2!
" Yes, but you were stating that Kenny is likable. Some people don't think he is. "
That's just everyones own opinion, in my eyes he is very likeable! The point is, even if you don't like Kenny you can't deny the fact that Kenny was always taking good care of his family and does everything to protect the people he cares about (and he cares about Clem alot...in my playthough he even told me that he considers her is family!).
" Also, I don't think it's correct to assume that Clem really really liked Kenny anyway. I mean, they interact like...twice? In the entire season? "
Again, that's just your own opinion. I assume that Clementine likes Kenny alot! In my playthough Kenny was Lee's Bro and Clementine knows what a good father and loving husband he was. The reason why they didn't interact alot in Season1 is, because Kenny's relationship was based around Lee and not Clementine. That doesn't necessarilly mean that they never talked to each other before. There was a 3month time skip in Season1 remember?
Yes, but you were stating that Kenny is likable. Some people don't think he is.
Also, I don't think it's correct to assume that Clem really really liked Kenny anyway. I mean, they interact like...twice? In the entire season?
" Yes, but you were stating that Kenny is likable. Some people don't think he is. "
That's just everyones own opinion, in my eyes he is v… moreery likeable! The point is, even if you don't like Kenny you can't deny the fact that Kenny was always taking good care of his family and does everything to protect the people he cares about (and he cares about Clem alot...in my playthough he even told me that he considers her is family!).
" Also, I don't think it's correct to assume that Clem really really liked Kenny anyway. I mean, they interact like...twice? In the entire season? "
Again, that's just your own opinion. I assume that Clementine likes Kenny alot! In my playthough Kenny was Lee's Bro and Clementine knows what a good father and loving husband he was. The reason why they didn't interact alot in Season1 is, because Kenny's relationship was based around Lee and not Clementine. That doesn't necessarilly mean that they never talked to each other before. There was a 3month time skip in Season1 remember?
He's specifying in his playthrough though, not everyone's. I imagine if you never agreed with anything he said, and were an ass to him, that he'd care a lot less about Clem.
I'm not sure he cares about clem that much....not that we know of really?
I mean, in my playthrough he refuses to help me find her in episode 5. If he really cared in all playthroughs, would he have done that?
" I mean, in my playthrough he refuses to help me find her in episode 5. If he really cared in all playthroughs, would he have done that? "
You just have to tell him that Clem is like family to you and he will always help you finding her! (exept if you were an real asshole to him and never sided with him) Kenny even tells you that he cares about Clementine, but he isn't convinced to risk his own life in all playthoughs right from the get go, because Lee didn't always side with him.
He cares about Clementine alot, that doesn't even depend on your choices. The difference between the certain playthroughs is the relationship Kenny and Lee had.
I'm not sure he cares about clem that much....not that we know of really?
I mean, in my playthrough he refuses to help me find her in episode 5. If he really cared in all playthroughs, would he have done that?
He's specifying in his playthrough though, not everyone's. I imagine if you never agreed with anything he said, and were an ass to him, that he'd care a lot less about Clem.
But then he only cares about Clementine because she is like a family to Lee. That's not the same as caring about Clementine herself, otherwise he wouldn't need to be reminded of the family connection to help him.
" I mean, in my playthrough he refuses to help me find her in episode 5. If he really cared in all playthroughs, would he have done that? "
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You just have to tell him that Clem is like family to you and he will always help you finding her! (exept if you were an real asshole to him and never sided with him) Kenny even tells you that he cares about Clementine, but he isn't convinced to risk his own life in all playthoughs right from the get go, because Lee didn't always side with him.
He cares about Clementine alot, that doesn't even depend on your choices. The difference between the certain playthroughs is the relationship Kenny and Lee had.
But then he only cares about Clementine because she is like a family to Lee. That's not the same as caring about Clementine herself, otherwise he wouldn't need to be reminded of the family connection to help him.
I had to do some serious goddamn convincing to talk him into giving me bandages and a juice box. He didn't really want to help until I talked him into it. I'm not saying he's not a nice guy, but he's not the sort of dude I'd trust with Clem's life.
That's interesting how people react more about Alvin asking Clem to check a station right next to them than the fact that Alvin joined Clem only to ask her to give him the food and lie to everyone.
Indeed, Omid and Christa is another fine example. The difference between the Lee situation and the above situation is Lee was trying to be r… moreesponsible, Alvin was being useless. There is a difference between wandering off alone as a child and being told/asked to go do something alone as a child.
He said he was going to join her in a few minutes. I am more upset by the fact she was asked to go into an unknown place alone, if a person or walker had Bern in there, or a booby trap or anything, then him showing up 5 minutes later wouldn't have done a damn bit of good. I can understand him asking for food for Rebecca, if I don't respect then at least I can understand it. The first part has no excuse though
That's interesting how people react more about Alvin asking Clem to check a station right next to them than the fact that Alvin joined Clem only to ask her to give him the food and lie to everyone.
The thing is, I don't see the station as an unknown place where she could have been trapped and unable to get any help, because it was litterally 2 meters away from Alvin and Rebecca and Clem could see the whole room through the window.
But I can understand that you have a problem with the idea itself, I do too.
He said he was going to join her in a few minutes. I am more upset by the fact she was asked to go into an unknown place alone, if a person … moreor walker had Bern in there, or a booby trap or anything, then him showing up 5 minutes later wouldn't have done a damn bit of good. I can understand him asking for food for Rebecca, if I don't respect then at least I can understand it. The first part has no excuse though
My Clem sees it as them not trusting her, and are putting her on missions that are dangerous because she's expendable. And my Clem doesn't mind because she's used to seeing what happens when she trusts the rest of the group and she screws it up for them by not acting of her own volition (a la Eren Jaeger in Attack on Titan). So she takes on the risky missions because she believes she can do it. The group wins and she doesn't lose.
It's called "independence", something that Clementine wants to earn, which they are letting her do. They are putting trust into her, someth… moreing that you should be grateful for.
And there is no way a walker would be in the station when Mathew JUST CAME OUT OF IT!
I also don't get where you are finding these "Clem is being blamed for stuff". Care for example, please?
How was it not an unknown place? It wasn't known to them so it was unknown. She could have been trapped in there, could have easily been a booby trap. Help doesn't do much for the dead, or she could have just been maimed. She may be able to see the room through the window but she never looked.
The thing is, I don't see the station as an unknown place where she could have been trapped and unable to get any help, because it was litte… morerally 2 meters away from Alvin and Rebecca and Clem could see the whole room through the window.
But I can understand that you have a problem with the idea itself, I do too.
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No boombox cheetos then ?
urrr.... wha?
Lmao, this combined with his reaction. Perfect.
Beat me to it.
Not every Clem thought of Kenny as family.
Heck, not every Clem even liked Kenny: there is an option to say 'I didn't even like him'.
Also, before you shout at me, I'm a Kenny fan. Just pointing out that our opinion is not the only true one.
" Just pointing out that our opinion is not the only true one. "
If you would have read what whereisLee wrote, you would know that i didn't write this.
" When she was with Lee and Kenny in former group, everything was much better, more calm and warm, like they were real family and friends. "...that's what he wrote not me.
I was just trying to raise up the man's spirit, because he was complaining about that there are no likeable characters in Season2!
Yes, but you were stating that Kenny is likable. Some people don't think he is.
Also, I don't think it's correct to assume that Clem really really liked Kenny anyway. I mean, they interact like...twice? In the entire season?
I wasn't recognizing your profile pic and it's fucking awesome dude
Just changed it yesterday. Glad ya like it.
" Yes, but you were stating that Kenny is likable. Some people don't think he is. "
That's just everyones own opinion, in my eyes he is very likeable! The point is, even if you don't like Kenny you can't deny the fact that Kenny was always taking good care of his family and does everything to protect the people he cares about (and he cares about Clem alot...in my playthough he even told me that he considers her is family!).
" Also, I don't think it's correct to assume that Clem really really liked Kenny anyway. I mean, they interact like...twice? In the entire season? "
Again, that's just your own opinion. I assume that Clementine likes Kenny alot! In my playthough Kenny was Lee's Bro and Clementine knows what a good father and loving husband he was. The reason why they didn't interact alot in Season1 is, because Kenny's relationship was based around Lee and not Clementine. That doesn't necessarilly mean that they never talked to each other before. There was a 3month time skip in Season1 remember?
I'm not sure he cares about clem that much....not that we know of really?
I mean, in my playthrough he refuses to help me find her in episode 5. If he really cared in all playthroughs, would he have done that?
He's specifying in his playthrough though, not everyone's. I imagine if you never agreed with anything he said, and were an ass to him, that he'd care a lot less about Clem.
" I mean, in my playthrough he refuses to help me find her in episode 5. If he really cared in all playthroughs, would he have done that? "
You just have to tell him that Clem is like family to you and he will always help you finding her! (exept if you were an real asshole to him and never sided with him) Kenny even tells you that he cares about Clementine, but he isn't convinced to risk his own life in all playthoughs right from the get go, because Lee didn't always side with him.
He cares about Clementine alot, that doesn't even depend on your choices. The difference between the certain playthroughs is the relationship Kenny and Lee had.
I didn't agree with anything he did except kill Larry.
He didn't help me rescue clem.
But then he only cares about Clementine because she is like a family to Lee. That's not the same as caring about Clementine herself, otherwise he wouldn't need to be reminded of the family connection to help him.
Look, we could go an like this for hours now...but i don't wanna convince you to anything here.
In my opinion Kenny truly cares about Clem and considers her as family.
You don't need to have the same opinion.
I had to do some serious goddamn convincing to talk him into giving me bandages and a juice box. He didn't really want to help until I talked him into it. I'm not saying he's not a nice guy, but he's not the sort of dude I'd trust with Clem's life.
That's interesting how people react more about Alvin asking Clem to check a station right next to them than the fact that Alvin joined Clem only to ask her to give him the food and lie to everyone.
He said he was going to join her in a few minutes. I am more upset by the fact she was asked to go into an unknown place alone, if a person or walker had Bern in there, or a booby trap or anything, then him showing up 5 minutes later wouldn't have done a damn bit of good. I can understand him asking for food for Rebecca, if I don't respect then at least I can understand it. The first part has no excuse though
The thing is, I don't see the station as an unknown place where she could have been trapped and unable to get any help, because it was litterally 2 meters away from Alvin and Rebecca and Clem could see the whole room through the window.
But I can understand that you have a problem with the idea itself, I do too.
My Clem sees it as them not trusting her, and are putting her on missions that are dangerous because she's expendable. And my Clem doesn't mind because she's used to seeing what happens when she trusts the rest of the group and she screws it up for them by not acting of her own volition (a la Eren Jaeger in Attack on Titan). So she takes on the risky missions because she believes she can do it. The group wins and she doesn't lose.
DRAAAAAAAAAMA
I think they figure Clem has already been aged and tempered by the apocalypse. Better her than the innocents in their group. Cynicism.
How was it not an unknown place? It wasn't known to them so it was unknown. She could have been trapped in there, could have easily been a booby trap. Help doesn't do much for the dead, or she could have just been maimed. She may be able to see the room through the window but she never looked.