Bad Family Blood
I don't know if this has really been fully discussed (I couldn't find any threads on it.) But I am now 100% certain that Carver is indeed Luke's father. Looking at their pictures side by side the similarities are pretty obvious. Also considering that the theme going right now is all about family.
Now of course I don't have any hard evidence since it won't be confirmed or denied once the story continues but I believe there are subtle hints over the course of the second episode.
One being that you never see them side by side or interact. Luke books it before Carver even shows up, denying the player of seeing confront one another so early in the story. Carver mentions Luke only once and with distrust. Secondly, I believe I heard that Luke's character was designed before they casted a voice actor. While this may mean little, it could also mean that they wanted him to look a certain way and thus modeled him after Carver. And lastly, when Sarah says "Luke is back." when it is not Luke at all. She lives with the man and she mistakes him with Carver at a glance, so the resemblance is there.
Just some info, but I'd like to see what other people think. Discuss?
EDIT: Here is a picture for people, it's not mine. I pulled it from somewhere
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Luke said his parents died if I recall correctly.
Luke, I am your father. But, maybe.... Your right...
luke says his parents are dead in episode 1 when talking to clementine
True, he said he had lost his "folks". It's a fair point.
Calling him Luke maybe just a big hint or joke from Telltale. Maaaaybe...
Luke mentions that he "lost" his parents, but maybe he just became so disgusted with William Carver that he just disowns him. It's possible.
Who wouldn't say their parents are dead if they are bad as Carver?
Carver does say something like "The people close to you will cross you. Happens all the time." I think that he and cabin group may have been good friends at one point. Just have to wait to find out more about their history.
That's what I was thinking. If Carver is really a bastard like everyone else says, I can see Luke disowning him as his father.
Could someone post a side-by-side picture of Luke and Carver? Just to clarify even more.
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Whats One thing in this world that even Bandits want? Safety? Family? Clue Number One
Carver asks You why would you follow Luke after he warned you he would leave you? All the characters you've met in the cabin, Alvin, rebecca, Carlos, Nick, Pete but brings up Luke.
and his name is Luke so carver is darth V...but this has be discussed before
Luke looks to be in his late 20s, while Carver looks 40 at most. They've also given no inclination of having that personal a relationship. If they did, Carver wouldn't have been so focused on Carlos and Rebecca when he came to the lodge. If we always judged characters on their faces then Shel and Lily would be sisters, Carley and STephanie would be sisters and Glenn and Vince would be brothers.
Wouldn't nick know though? after all they are childhood friends.
Carver has a hooked nose and a broader jaw compared to Luke, plus a more forward/larger forehead.
I think it's safe to say the cabin group has a lot of skeletons in their closet and they're not willing to reveal them to Clem just yet.
This is what I am thinking. I think the cabin members know. Clem doesn't. I don't think they want to reveal that one of most trustworthy people in their group is the son of the dangerous man that's chasing them. Either that, or they don't care or don't want to bring it up to Luke.
The OP picture kind of disproves the theory. There are HUGE differences in their facial features.
Carver has a larger forehead, Luke's forehead is receded farther back in comparison.
Carver has a hooked noise with a thin tip, Luke's nose doesn't point down as much and has a rounded tip. The bridge of Carver's noise is also more defined and has a bump.
Carver's face is overall more gaunt than Luke's, his cheek bones are also higher while Luke's cheeks are wider.
Carver has a longer chin while Luke's face is more oval. Overall Carver's face is actually longer than Luke's and his jawline is broader.
The biggest counter to the father-son theory is the ages. Luke is too old to be Carver's son and there has been nothing in game to hint that they may be related.
The theory is that he's his son, not his twin. They ARE going to look different, though I believe the similarities are there. Plus, we have no idea how old either of them are exactly.
Children bear a strong resemblance to their parents, and if Luke's features were more similar to Carver's, albeit weaker, I could see it. But their features, predominantly the chins and noses, are just so different that it makes no sense to assume they're father and son. Especially given the information present in game. What is actually similar between them besides hairline and color, anyways? I just don't really see it.
Wouldnt that be awkward
Hold on everyone, is rebecca lukes stepmom now? Assuming the baby is carvers
Technically, no... Carver and Rebecca aren't married. If Luke happens to be Carver's son then the baby would be Luke's half brother/sister if Carver turns out to be it's father aswell.
I don't think so, unless Rebecca and Carver were married at some point.
Just a little.
Might be an interesting twist. Oh god so then Rebecca's baby would be Luke's brother or sister hahaha
Your only evidence is models, which are reused and altered all the time, and the fact it doesn't show them both on screen at once. It doesn't show Bonnie and Luke. .. they must be related. This idea is flimsy at the very best. Not saying it is untrue, just based on majority nothing.
As I said, I don't have any evidence. Just little hints.
It is a nice theory. Do we know for sure that Carver was after the group because he is the father of Rebeccas child? Could not someone else be the possible father and Carver is after the group because of Luke. When Clem asks why Carver is following them I think Luke hinted at the answer "because family is most important". So did Luke know about the baby and Alvin didn't or did he think of himself.
I think this is a valid point for discussion and much better than some appreciation or ship-thread.
He "LOST" his folks, just how Kenny was "LOST" to the herd. Just saying.
Carver could be after both. I don't think he's going to let go of the fact that Luke is the only one that got away. Or he may just cut his losses, getting a brand new heir than rely on disrespectful child that could destroy everything he's worked for.
Sometimes telltale uses the same models giving you similarities between certain characters.
Folks is a funny word. Being southern myself (if that means anything) I've always used the term to describe my family in general, not my parents. My point was he uses the term folks instead of parents when he mentions his family died. That's how I see it anyway, others might see it differently.
Not necessarily father, but could be relatives. I don't know where but I know someone said in a thread that Carver could be Luke's uncle or something. They could be family...that is..family with some trust issues..
I'm not trying to prove that Luke and Carver are indeed related since I'm skeptical myself (even though I admit that it would make for a nice plot twist), but I do have to add that in some cases, children don't really bear all that much resemblance to their parents. For instance, I've seen some kids have a different look altogether due to some genes from past generations, while their parents don't take after those certain roots at all.
There is also a possibility of resembling one parent and not so much of the other. This could perhaps be the case for Luke. In the OP's defense, maybe he takes after his mother more? Telltale could use this to throw us off, and I think It's worth mentioning again that Sarah did mistake Carver for him. It can happen, and we don't know his exact genetic makeup. But at the same time, it's also equally as plausible that the similarities are just a result of the characters having similar models and nothing more. Plus, I agree that it would be hard to pull this off based on the information that we have in the game so far. Although that could change in the next episodes.
I'd be willing to buy that, especially since it does add a very interesting element to the story and possible character dynamic, but beyond some vague resemblance we've seen nothing to show that they could be related. No dialog, no looks, no interest in each other. Luke expresses concern and aversion towards Carver while the only member of your group Carver expresses any specific interest in are Rebecca and Carlos.
Can I just say that Luke looks heaps bad ass in that pic!
Yeah, I'm with you on that. Though pretty much every character's back story and actions are a little vague at this point. Especially in regards to Luke, besides him being in a business partnership and pushing around Nick prior to the apocalypse. I wish we could have some longer hubs like Season One's to rectify this, but maybe the options to get to know them better in these first two episodes were irradiated on purpose to keep us in the dark about everyone? Hmm, I guess only time will tell what's really going on.
The good news is that the story keeps us questioning these little things, which usually points towards to a good plot in the making.
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