I agree. It's muffled and hard to hear, but right after you've been locked in the shed Nick asks Luke "Why are we doing this? It's fucking dumb." Luke replies that it's "[..] safer this way." Nick says (this is the part that's hard to hear) "Yeah, but safer for who?" He's right. Aside from the fact that she could have naturally gotten a fever from being left out in the shed while it was cold and rainy, the group probably made the best choice they could have at the time.
Personally, I don't think using conventional morality to justify actions in a zombie apocalypse is the right way to survive. They didn't do … morewhat was "right" by any moral standards, but they did what they did to ensure that they all remained safe from somebody they deemed a threat. To me, perverting your morals and becoming ruthlessly pragmatic are the only way to survive an apocalypse, and they go hand in hand. It explains how the cabin group have survived as long as they have. This is also a part of the reason I find zombie fiction so compelling: is it better to die as a good man or survive as a monster?
On to your second sentence, I don't think having someone watch over her is necessarily right either. Imagine Nick sitting opposite you holding his rifle to use on you the second your fever sets in. It's threatening and frightening. I've explained why I don't believe the cabin group should give Clem their medical supplies right off the bat… [view original content]
Its really not that complicated. Its not like you go from having a fever to transforming into a flesh eating walker in a matter of seconds. The process takes hours. Watching over her would have been a low risk situation. And obviously Nick would not be the right person to do it, in fact he would be the worst possible option. The group would have someone else do it (such as Pete). So yes, leaving her alone and defenseless in the shed while not even having a clue if she was bitten by a walker or not is absolutely morally incorrect.
Personally, I don't think using conventional morality to justify actions in a zombie apocalypse is the right way to survive. They didn't do … morewhat was "right" by any moral standards, but they did what they did to ensure that they all remained safe from somebody they deemed a threat. To me, perverting your morals and becoming ruthlessly pragmatic are the only way to survive an apocalypse, and they go hand in hand. It explains how the cabin group have survived as long as they have. This is also a part of the reason I find zombie fiction so compelling: is it better to die as a good man or survive as a monster?
On to your second sentence, I don't think having someone watch over her is necessarily right either. Imagine Nick sitting opposite you holding his rifle to use on you the second your fever sets in. It's threatening and frightening. I've explained why I don't believe the cabin group should give Clem their medical supplies right off the bat… [view original content]
I agree. It's muffled and hard to hear, but right after you've been locked in the shed Nick asks Luke "Why are we doing this? It's fucking d… moreumb." Luke replies that it's "[..] safer this way." Nick says (this is the part that's hard to hear) "Yeah, but safer for who?" He's right. Aside from the fact that she could have naturally gotten a fever from being left out in the shed while it was cold and rainy, the group probably made the best choice they could have at the time.
That's exactly how Nick's mom got attacked, so I'm not so sure about that.
Not sure why I got downvoted, so I'll clarify: all we know of Nick's mom's death was that the group took in somebody who got bit and took care of them. They turned and Nick's mom was attacked, and she ended up dying because of their choice to help that person. So... exactly what good would leaving someone to watch Clem do? They might even end up being extremely on edge because of past experiences, leaving Clementine in more potential danger. I agree they maybe should have locked up up somewhere that wasn't cold and wet, but that means having someone watch her (and where would they put her?). I don't know... it just seems to me like they did the best with the situation they were faced with. That's just my opinion, though, and this thread is for unpopular opinions.
Much as I really like Luke and Nick I don't get the fandom impression that they're 'HOT!' Nick I don't find physically attractive at all and while I get how Luke is cute there are times when the lighting does not flatter his nose.
Loved Uncle Pete but feel he inadvertently contributed to the mess that is Nick. Too much 'tough love'.
I really liked Rebecca even when she was being a bitch (which I doubt we've seen the last of). I'm hoping she lives up to the 4th or 5th episode so she can build a nice older female bond with Clem that's been sorely missing in the narrative. Sarah doesn't count for obvious reasons.
I agree, it is morally incorrect. As I said though, morality should go out the window the second your own survival is being threatened. Likewise, what point is having a person keep watch (Nick was just an example) if not to be there to do the hard thing if needed? They were already locking her up, for some reason you seem to think locking her up with an armed man is placing Clementine in a better circumstance than leaving her by herself. I.e. If Clementine falls ill or gets a fever, she's going to receive a bullet to the head. I just don't see how having someone there to do it immediately makes much of a difference at all.
Its really not that complicated. Its not like you go from having a fever to transforming into a flesh eating walker in a matter of seconds. … moreThe process takes hours. Watching over her would have been a low risk situation. And obviously Nick would not be the right person to do it, in fact he would be the worst possible option. The group would have someone else do it (such as Pete). So yes, leaving her alone and defenseless in the shed while not even having a clue if she was bitten by a walker or not is absolutely morally incorrect.
I'm not sure if I really like playing as Clementine, and I know that I dislike that the game has somehow become all about her and her story. I dislike how people treat season one, too; nobody matters as much as Clementine and she comes before every other character bar none, as if no one else existed and there were no story lines except for the interactions with Clem. I'll probably get a lot of hate for saying this, but I hope not.
agreed wholeheartedly on the Rebecca thing. there are not enough female characters in this game right now (which is too bad since female characters are usually the ones i care about) and i really want clem and rebecca to get closer (also clem and sarah) so that clem has some female support. i always agree to listen to bec's belly in every playthrough, it's such a sweet scene to me
Much as I really like Luke and Nick I don't get the fandom impression that they're 'HOT!' Nick I don't find physically attractive at all and… more while I get how Luke is cute there are times when the lighting does not flatter his nose.
Loved Uncle Pete but feel he inadvertently contributed to the mess that is Nick. Too much 'tough love'.
I really liked Rebecca even when she was being a bitch (which I doubt we've seen the last of). I'm hoping she lives up to the 4th or 5th episode so she can build a nice older female bond with Clem that's been sorely missing in the narrative. Sarah doesn't count for obvious reasons.
I actually like Carlos and think he was actually able to identify the bite, but chose to leave it open just to not take sides. I am pretty sure I am one of the few ones who thinks that, if not the only one.
I also like Nick and don't compare him to Ben. I didn't dislike Ben either.
And I wasn't that big of a fan for Walt. Being nice and all is really cool in our normal world, but in a ZA, going out of your way to give some random stranger a box full of supplies just for the heck of it, is fucking stupid. I hate characters like these in shows and games with an apocalyptic setting. Could have sucker punched him right then and there if I were in the game.
That it is Clem's fault that Lee is dead I'm sorry but you can't deny it Lee would have not got bit if Clem was not taken by stranger that opinion seems very unpopular on the forums
I wasn't really invested in Omid's character, and randomly killing him at the start of the season was stupid and ineffective.
I find Clem… moreentine's season 2 character to be much less believably human.
I thought Molly was a throwaway character.
I don't like Christa at all and don't care if she survived or not.
I find Nick to be a much more believable and likeable character than Luke.
I liked Walter and I think that he was killed off much too early for the sake of failed shock value.
I don't care about Sarita at all, as it seems she exists solely to depress Kenny with her inevitable death.
Kenny should have stayed "dead". (For the record I am neutral to Kenny but his return made no sense and "I got lucky... real lucky" just doesn't cut it. Still waiting for my explanation as to how he got out of there AND IT BEST BE GOOD.
Omid is still alive Ok ok. I know he's not but it's Omid, he was my bro and a positive ray of sunshine so I like to believe that he is. Besides, who's going to look after his cat now?
Christa's alive. I won't lie. I like Omid far more than Christa but Christa still looked after us despite being cut up and depressed after the loss of her husband and babies death. When attacked by bandits she told them she was by herself despite blaming Clem (at least partially because she left her gun unattended) for Omid's death.
**I still like Bonnie. ** I said way back when everyone was saying she's weak and will be most likely to relapse/die early that the drug abuse she's gone through, will have made her stronger. Totally didn't expect her to be working for Carver but I think that proves she's tougher than people give her credit for and I still believe there's a good reason behind it. We all know she's too trusting afterall and wants somewhere to belong to.
Sarah has potential. I know Sarah gets alot of hate but Sarah kind reminds me of Clem when the Apocalypse first began but because of their different upbringings and Carlos sheltering Sarah so much, Sarah hasn't had the chance to mature the same way Clem has been forced to. This is why my Clem isn't going to sugarcoat anything and will tell Sarah exactly like it is. Sarah is older, clearly knows more than Carlos gives her credit for.
Kenny will die in season 2 Sorry Kenny fanboys but this is telltale. Generally speaking, characters don't last more than a few episodes. Lee did everything he could to protect Clem and it was unfortunate he got bit. Christa and Omid were only introduced in episode 3 so Christa has some more time yet but Kenny has been there since episode 1. His time will come to an end this season possibly in episode 4.
I don't think that's very fair.
Hes sort of an asshole to Pete, but in all honesty Pete treats him the same way. It was pretty clear that… more they both dearly cared about each other regardless. When does he risk Clem's life exactly? I wouldn't count the shed, as that was a group decision. He did almost accidentally shoot her though. I think that stemmed from the fact that he was really nervous about the situation because of what happened to his mother in a similar situation. Obviously shooting Matthew was really stupid, but he didn't do it just because he was mad about Pete. He did it because he thought his friends were in danger. Lastly, whats bad about the situation where he tells Walter the truth about Matthew? It's the morally right thing to do.
I thought Walter was a pretty cool guy, I was pissed at Nate for shooting Matthew, and I hate Bonnie because she even noticed that the group they were going to attack had children in it and she didn't warn them or anything. Here's a hint, normally when the people you're attacking have children with them, it means you're the bad guy.
I don't viciously hate Lilly and wish she would die a slow, painful death.
I liked Duck 'cause he was a happy idiot, and I felt like the grim world of TWD really needed that.
I don't think Carlos is really a "genius", I think the writers don't know shit about medicine. I actually like him after the way he stood up to Carver.
I agree with everything, except for Kenny's return. I always thought that if Kenny were to return, then he should at least explain how the hell he got out alive (specially in the alley scene), and I was annoyed that TTG didn't. But I'm glad he's back, and with a hobo beard to enhance his mustache's power.
Kenny should have stayed "dead". (For the record I am neutral to Kenny but his return made no sense and "I got lucky... real lucky" just doe… moresn't cut it. Still waiting for my explanation as to how he got out of there AND IT BEST BE GOOD.
Omid is still alive Ok ok. I know he's not but it's Omid, he was my bro and a positive ray of sunshine so I like to believe that he is. Besides, who's going to look after his cat now?
Christa's alive. I won't lie. I like Omid far more than Christa but Christa still looked after us despite being cut up and depressed after the loss of her husband and babies death. When attacked by bandits she told them she was by herself despite blaming Clem (at least partially because she left her gun unattended) for Omid's death.
**I still like Bonnie. ** I said way back when everyone was saying she's weak and will be most likely to relapse/die early that the drug abuse she's gone through, will have made her stronger.… [view original content]
We don't really know the details about what happened with Nick's mom, but it sounded to me like it was more of a situation where they were being careless. With Clem, all they would have had to do was wait and see if she developed the fever or not. They didn't have to isolate her in the shack by herself. It wouldn't have been hard to at least leave one person in there with her to watch over her. Someone such as Pete would have been an excellent choice. Heck, the group could have tied her to something if they were really concerned about her somehow suddenly turning on them. There are preventive measures they could have taken to ensure the safety of both parties. And like I said before, it's not like she would just turn into a walker at random. They would have a pretty clear idea of what was going on with her before that would happen.
p.s. Just letting you know it wasn't me who down voted your comment. I don't down vote people just because they have a different opinion
That's exactly how Nick's mom got attacked, so I'm not so sure about that.
Not sure why I got downvoted, so I'll clarify: all we know of … moreNick's mom's death was that the group took in somebody who got bit and took care of them. They turned and Nick's mom was attacked, and she ended up dying because of their choice to help that person. So... exactly what good would leaving someone to watch Clem do? They might even end up being extremely on edge because of past experiences, leaving Clementine in more potential danger. I agree they maybe should have locked up up somewhere that wasn't cold and wet, but that means having someone watch her (and where would they put her?). I don't know... it just seems to me like they did the best with the situation they were faced with. That's just my opinion, though, and this thread is for unpopular opinions.
Morality doesn't go out the window just because your survival is being threatened. That in itself is pretty immoral, especially since Clem wasn't intentionally doing anything to harm them. She actually just wanted to walk away from the situation entirely, but they wouldn't let her.
Their survival actually really wasn't being threatened much at all regardless. They would seriously have to be stupid to have a bite victim turn into a walker and then proceed to catch them unaware/unprepared. At this point in the apocalypse there is no way that would happen. Its as simple as keeping an eye on her to see if she develops the fever or not. They could honestly have even brought her into the cabin. It really wouldn't be a nerve racking situation. Its not like shes just going to go from being totally fine to randomly transforming into a walker. She would drop dead first.. and I think that would be a pretty obvious sign that something isn't right.
I agree, it is morally incorrect. As I said though, morality should go out the window the second your own survival is being threatened. Like… morewise, what point is having a person keep watch (Nick was just an example) if not to be there to do the hard thing if needed? They were already locking her up, for some reason you seem to think locking her up with an armed man is placing Clementine in a better circumstance than leaving her by herself. I.e. If Clementine falls ill or gets a fever, she's going to receive a bullet to the head. I just don't see how having someone there to do it immediately makes much of a difference at all.
Rebbecca, since she stopped being a total bitch in episode two, and actually let Clementine feel her baby kicking, she is my 2nd favorite member of the new group, the first being Luke.
I never hated Larry. I even gave him food in the episode 2.
I know everyone is gonna give me a lot of downvotes for this but I'm still hoping that Lee's alive.(Cut the arm off and told her to leave me.)
I hated that Omid is getting killed in the opening sequence in Season 2. So you tell me that all I've done for him and that ''Omid will remember that.'' stuff was nothing?
I hated that I can't save Matthew and Walter. ''Kenny don't shoot, he'll kill them!'' Shoots WTF? If Alvin and Nick's death is determinant why that doesn't includes them?
I went with Pete and tried to forced him about cutting his leg off but that never happened. WTF? You were the one that wanted to cut my arm off and you said that it worked on your cousin.
I really pissed at that Clem said ''Oh shit.'' on the bridge in the episode 2. I never said bad words in front of Clem in the Season 1 so that's what I get? ''Your choices affects story around you.'' Yeah right.
I liked Duck and Ben. I don't understand all the hate about these characters.
I personally like Lilly more than Kenny.
I wanted Molly with our group. She was my favorite character next to Carley.
I'm always trying to play Clem nice, innocent, hopeful and supportive. But her mood always like this: >:( or /:(
I hated that what characters I tried to save, still ends up dead later. For example; Duck, Larry, Carley, Omid, Ben, Lee and Pete.
I love this game so so much but... yeah. Sometimes what Telltale does pisses me off. Like killing characters so early. I get it this The Walking Dead but c'mon? Some of the characters carries so much potential that maybe they could make story more interesting and better like Larry, Mark, Pete, Matthew and Walter if they'd allow them to live.
Oh my god, I agree so much with the Clem saying "Oh shit" part. I actually paused my game, sat in confused silence and thought that my game file must've been corrupted or something again because I also never swore in front of Clem. I was so mad.
* I never hated Larry. I even gave him food in the episode 2.
* I know everyone is gonna give me a lot of downvotes for this but I'm still … morehoping that Lee's alive.(Cut the arm off and told her to leave me.)
* I hated that Omid is getting killed in the opening sequence in Season 2. So you tell me that all I've done for him and that ''Omid will remember that.'' stuff was nothing?
* I hated that I can't save Matthew and Walter. ''Kenny don't shoot, he'll kill them!'' Shoots WTF? If Alvin and Nick's death is determinant why that doesn't includes them?
* I went with Pete and tried to forced him about cutting his leg off but that never happened. WTF? You were the one that wanted to cut my arm off and you said that it worked on your cousin.
* I really pissed at that Clem said ''Oh shit.'' on the bridge in the episode 2. I never said bad words in front of Clem in the Season 1 so that's what I get? ''Your choices affects story around you.'' Yeah … [view original content]
Kenny should have stayed "dead". (For the record I am neutral to Kenny but his return made no sense and "I got lucky... real lucky" just doe… moresn't cut it. Still waiting for my explanation as to how he got out of there AND IT BEST BE GOOD.
Omid is still alive Ok ok. I know he's not but it's Omid, he was my bro and a positive ray of sunshine so I like to believe that he is. Besides, who's going to look after his cat now?
Christa's alive. I won't lie. I like Omid far more than Christa but Christa still looked after us despite being cut up and depressed after the loss of her husband and babies death. When attacked by bandits she told them she was by herself despite blaming Clem (at least partially because she left her gun unattended) for Omid's death.
**I still like Bonnie. ** I said way back when everyone was saying she's weak and will be most likely to relapse/die early that the drug abuse she's gone through, will have made her stronger.… [view original content]
I sort of kind of disagree with point 2 because I enjoy Clem's steady transformation into robot psychopath and disliked Walter because he was a Stealth Communist. I'm glad he died before he got Clem to read Steinbeck.
I wasn't really invested in Omid's character, and randomly killing him at the start of the season was stupid and ineffective.
I find Clem… moreentine's season 2 character to be much less believably human.
I thought Molly was a throwaway character.
I don't like Christa at all and don't care if she survived or not.
I find Nick to be a much more believable and likeable character than Luke.
I liked Walter and I think that he was killed off much too early for the sake of failed shock value.
I don't care about Sarita at all, as it seems she exists solely to depress Kenny with her inevitable death.
I don't viciously hate Lilly and wish she would die a slow, painful death.
I liked Duck 'cause he was a happy idiot, and I felt like the … moregrim world of TWD really needed that.
I don't think Carlos is really a "genius", I think the writers don't know shit about medicine. I actually like him after the way he stood up to Carver.
I like both Lily AND Kenny. I had to do 2 walkthroughs of favouring one or the other because I really like both characters. I like Kenny a tad more I guess as he didn't shoot Carley in the face but Lily is still cool and my Clem would be her friend if we meet Lily again.
No, yeah - I agree with you. Getting bit isn't an immediate death sentence, so they could have tried something different. Ultimately, though, she's not their problem. I remember thinking at the time that it was stupid because she could get a fever anyways just by being locked in a cold damp shed with an open wound, but I don't blame them for the choice they made.
I don't disagree about the idea of bringing her inside and tying her up, either. It just doesn't seem worth it, to me. That's all.
Also thanks for not downvoting me for having a different opinion.
We don't really know the details about what happened with Nick's mom, but it sounded to me like it was more of a situation where they were b… moreeing careless. With Clem, all they would have had to do was wait and see if she developed the fever or not. They didn't have to isolate her in the shack by herself. It wouldn't have been hard to at least leave one person in there with her to watch over her. Someone such as Pete would have been an excellent choice. Heck, the group could have tied her to something if they were really concerned about her somehow suddenly turning on them. There are preventive measures they could have taken to ensure the safety of both parties. And like I said before, it's not like she would just turn into a walker at random. They would have a pretty clear idea of what was going on with her before that would happen.
p.s. Just letting you know it wasn't me who down voted your comment. I don't down vote people just because they have a different opinion
That's exactly it. If he hadn't returned then we wouldn't be needing a good explanation as to how he managed to get out of there in the first place. :P I was pretty certain the ITYWD person would be him, but I hoped it wouldn't be because it was the obvious choice especially with knowing "Kenny's fate will be explored" and b) we need an explanation as to how he got out alive. Still had my Clem give him a hug anyway but so long as I get my explanation before he dies, I'll be happy. xD
I agree with everything, except for Kenny's return. I always thought that if Kenny were to return, then he should at least explain how the h… moreell he got out alive (specially in the alley scene), and I was annoyed that TTG didn't. But I'm glad he's back, and with a hobo beard to enhance his mustache's power.
I agree with most of these. I never liked Larry though but I still gave him food. Figured better keep the heavy guy sweet or at least try. Not a fan of Duck, Ben, Lily or Kenny. XD Neutral to all though Lily looses points for what she did to Carley. And yeah can't agree with you on the Lee being alive either. He's definitely dead but I'm not going to downvote for you being hopeful. Be hypocritical of me seeing as I want to believe Omid survived the gunshot xD
* I never hated Larry. I even gave him food in the episode 2.
* I know everyone is gonna give me a lot of downvotes for this but I'm still … morehoping that Lee's alive.(Cut the arm off and told her to leave me.)
* I hated that Omid is getting killed in the opening sequence in Season 2. So you tell me that all I've done for him and that ''Omid will remember that.'' stuff was nothing?
* I hated that I can't save Matthew and Walter. ''Kenny don't shoot, he'll kill them!'' Shoots WTF? If Alvin and Nick's death is determinant why that doesn't includes them?
* I went with Pete and tried to forced him about cutting his leg off but that never happened. WTF? You were the one that wanted to cut my arm off and you said that it worked on your cousin.
* I really pissed at that Clem said ''Oh shit.'' on the bridge in the episode 2. I never said bad words in front of Clem in the Season 1 so that's what I get? ''Your choices affects story around you.'' Yeah … [view original content]
About Clem's "Oh shit" thing, I don't think it would technically matter if Lee ever swore considering that alot of the other in the group did. Lilly, Kenny, Larry (definately Larry). Even though she might not have looked up to them, she could have picked it up. However if we don't consider them since at the time Clementine did spend most of her time with Lee, there's Christa and Omid too.
They might not curse like pirates but atleast a few swears would probably escape them if they got jumped by a walker, failed to loot an abandoned camp or something. Therefore I, who didn't let Lee use swears either, wasn't really surprised when Clementine let one slip (although I did think "Swear" when she did). It's the day she uses the F-word that I'll be shocked.
* I never hated Larry. I even gave him food in the episode 2.
* I know everyone is gonna give me a lot of downvotes for this but I'm still … morehoping that Lee's alive.(Cut the arm off and told her to leave me.)
* I hated that Omid is getting killed in the opening sequence in Season 2. So you tell me that all I've done for him and that ''Omid will remember that.'' stuff was nothing?
* I hated that I can't save Matthew and Walter. ''Kenny don't shoot, he'll kill them!'' Shoots WTF? If Alvin and Nick's death is determinant why that doesn't includes them?
* I went with Pete and tried to forced him about cutting his leg off but that never happened. WTF? You were the one that wanted to cut my arm off and you said that it worked on your cousin.
* I really pissed at that Clem said ''Oh shit.'' on the bridge in the episode 2. I never said bad words in front of Clem in the Season 1 so that's what I get? ''Your choices affects story around you.'' Yeah … [view original content]
That's exactly it. If he hadn't returned then we wouldn't be needing a good explanation as to how he managed to get out of there in the firs… moret place. :P I was pretty certain the ITYWD person would be him, but I hoped it wouldn't be because it was the obvious choice especially with knowing "Kenny's fate will be explored" and b) we need an explanation as to how he got out alive. Still had my Clem give him a hug anyway but so long as I get my explanation before he dies, I'll be happy. xD
I don't think people mean "New Ben" as in he's a coward, because Nick has proven to be anything but. They say "New Ben" to mean that he's the new fuck up of Season 2, which is pretty accurate. He hasn't fucked up as badly as Ben yet, but it's still there.
* I kind of actually like Rebecca now. I began to feel sorry about her when we talked while Alvin went off to get something for her.
* I … morestill don't hate Bonnie yet. Until I see her side of the story I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt. People are already yelling wanting her dead like Rebecca was in the first episode, and look how Rebecca is now.
* Nick is not the new Ben as some people call him, in the end he's not a complete coward. He shot Matthew thinking he was going to hurt Luke and Clem. Granted, it was still a dumb move but he's still nowhere near the trainwreck that Ben was. And I actually like Ben, before people decide to call me out on those comments. Nick is quite a realistic character and I do feel really sorry for him. It's saddening he has to have a determinant status now.
Oh and one more thing, I actually don't like Starved For Help as much as other people do here. It's not my least favourite Episode of Season One but it's most certainly not my favourite.
I liked Ben in Season 1. Yeah, he was a coward and naive, but I don't know, I felt for the kid.
I do not see that many similarities between Nick and Ben. Nick shot Matthew because he believed that the guy was going to hurt his best friend and a little girl, I was actually in disbelief that so many people in the game and on the forums were so pissy about it. Also his father figure just died, he's allowed to be sad! (I mean for fucks sake, when Kenny's wife and child died and and he was a downright drunken mess, many people sympathized and allowed him to be a dick to their Lee up until the moment he died!) And the most unpopular opinion of all...
I still don't really like Luke. Maybe it's my protectiveness of Clementine getting in the way, but five minutes after meeting him, he throws her to the ground! And if your Clem killed the dog and you tell them, he actually gets offended. Then suddenly, he wants to be besties and learn about her life story? And then he disappears off in the woods right when Carver's men ambush the group. Seems a little too convenient if you ask me.
Lilly shot Carley point-blank, Kenny dropped a salt-lick on a guy's head, and the fucking protagonist of the first game murdered a man pre-a… morepocalypse. They all killed innocent people as well.
How is what Nick did less valid than them? How is Kenny killing Larry because he thought he would turn somehow more excusable than Nick shooting a guy with a gun who he thought was going to attack Clem and Luke?
Obviously there's no excuse just as there's no excuse with the three aforementioned characters. He killed a guy. That's horrible. But that doesn't mean we're not allowed to empathize, it doesn't mean we have to condemn hi. On top of Nick's honest nature I feel like a lot of people just downright feel sympathetic because we've seen and heard about him losing a lot and not everyone can just wash their hands of that and keep moving.
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I agree. It's muffled and hard to hear, but right after you've been locked in the shed Nick asks Luke "Why are we doing this? It's fucking dumb." Luke replies that it's "[..] safer this way." Nick says (this is the part that's hard to hear) "Yeah, but safer for who?" He's right. Aside from the fact that she could have naturally gotten a fever from being left out in the shed while it was cold and rainy, the group probably made the best choice they could have at the time.
Its really not that complicated. Its not like you go from having a fever to transforming into a flesh eating walker in a matter of seconds. The process takes hours. Watching over her would have been a low risk situation. And obviously Nick would not be the right person to do it, in fact he would be the worst possible option. The group would have someone else do it (such as Pete). So yes, leaving her alone and defenseless in the shed while not even having a clue if she was bitten by a walker or not is absolutely morally incorrect.
Leaving someone to watch over her would have been a non issue to their safety.
That's exactly how Nick's mom got attacked, so I'm not so sure about that.
Not sure why I got downvoted, so I'll clarify: all we know of Nick's mom's death was that the group took in somebody who got bit and took care of them. They turned and Nick's mom was attacked, and she ended up dying because of their choice to help that person. So... exactly what good would leaving someone to watch Clem do? They might even end up being extremely on edge because of past experiences, leaving Clementine in more potential danger. I agree they maybe should have locked up up somewhere that wasn't cold and wet, but that means having someone watch her (and where would they put her?). I don't know... it just seems to me like they did the best with the situation they were faced with. That's just my opinion, though, and this thread is for unpopular opinions.
Much as I really like Luke and Nick I don't get the fandom impression that they're 'HOT!' Nick I don't find physically attractive at all and while I get how Luke is cute there are times when the lighting does not flatter his nose.
Loved Uncle Pete but feel he inadvertently contributed to the mess that is Nick. Too much 'tough love'.
I really liked Rebecca even when she was being a bitch (which I doubt we've seen the last of). I'm hoping she lives up to the 4th or 5th episode so she can build a nice older female bond with Clem that's been sorely missing in the narrative. Sarah doesn't count for obvious reasons.
I agree, it is morally incorrect. As I said though, morality should go out the window the second your own survival is being threatened. Likewise, what point is having a person keep watch (Nick was just an example) if not to be there to do the hard thing if needed? They were already locking her up, for some reason you seem to think locking her up with an armed man is placing Clementine in a better circumstance than leaving her by herself. I.e. If Clementine falls ill or gets a fever, she's going to receive a bullet to the head. I just don't see how having someone there to do it immediately makes much of a difference at all.
I'm not sure if I really like playing as Clementine, and I know that I dislike that the game has somehow become all about her and her story. I dislike how people treat season one, too; nobody matters as much as Clementine and she comes before every other character bar none, as if no one else existed and there were no story lines except for the interactions with Clem. I'll probably get a lot of hate for saying this, but I hope not.
agreed wholeheartedly on the Rebecca thing. there are not enough female characters in this game right now (which is too bad since female characters are usually the ones i care about) and i really want clem and rebecca to get closer (also clem and sarah) so that clem has some female support. i always agree to listen to bec's belly in every playthrough, it's such a sweet scene to me
I actually like Carlos and think he was actually able to identify the bite, but chose to leave it open just to not take sides. I am pretty sure I am one of the few ones who thinks that, if not the only one.
I also like Nick and don't compare him to Ben. I didn't dislike Ben either.
And I wasn't that big of a fan for Walt. Being nice and all is really cool in our normal world, but in a ZA, going out of your way to give some random stranger a box full of supplies just for the heck of it, is fucking stupid. I hate characters like these in shows and games with an apocalyptic setting. Could have sucker punched him right then and there if I were in the game.
I wasn't really invested in Omid's character, and randomly killing him at the start of the season was stupid and ineffective.
I find Clementine's season 2 character to be much less believably human.
I thought Molly was a throwaway character.
I don't like Christa at all and don't care if she survived or not.
I find Nick to be a much more believable and likeable character than Luke.
I liked Walter and I think that he was killed off much too early for the sake of failed shock value.
I don't care about Sarita at all, as it seems she exists solely to depress Kenny with her inevitable death.
That it is Clem's fault that Lee is dead I'm sorry but you can't deny it Lee would have not got bit if Clem was not taken by stranger that opinion seems very unpopular on the forums
I agree with most of your points.
Kenny should have stayed "dead". (For the record I am neutral to Kenny but his return made no sense and "I got lucky... real lucky" just doesn't cut it. Still waiting for my explanation as to how he got out of there AND IT BEST BE GOOD.
Omid is still alive Ok ok. I know he's not but it's Omid, he was my bro and a positive ray of sunshine so I like to believe that he is. Besides, who's going to look after his cat now?
Christa's alive. I won't lie. I like Omid far more than Christa but Christa still looked after us despite being cut up and depressed after the loss of her husband and babies death. When attacked by bandits she told them she was by herself despite blaming Clem (at least partially because she left her gun unattended) for Omid's death.
**I still like Bonnie. ** I said way back when everyone was saying she's weak and will be most likely to relapse/die early that the drug abuse she's gone through, will have made her stronger. Totally didn't expect her to be working for Carver but I think that proves she's tougher than people give her credit for and I still believe there's a good reason behind it. We all know she's too trusting afterall and wants somewhere to belong to.
Sarah has potential. I know Sarah gets alot of hate but Sarah kind reminds me of Clem when the Apocalypse first began but because of their different upbringings and Carlos sheltering Sarah so much, Sarah hasn't had the chance to mature the same way Clem has been forced to. This is why my Clem isn't going to sugarcoat anything and will tell Sarah exactly like it is. Sarah is older, clearly knows more than Carlos gives her credit for.
Kenny will die in season 2 Sorry Kenny fanboys but this is telltale. Generally speaking, characters don't last more than a few episodes. Lee did everything he could to protect Clem and it was unfortunate he got bit. Christa and Omid were only introduced in episode 3 so Christa has some more time yet but Kenny has been there since episode 1. His time will come to an end this season possibly in episode 4.
Ah...I spent 10 mins writing aloooooot of shit. I deleted it because I realized we'd just go in circles.
Lets just agree to disagree.
I think Starved For Help is a better episode than All That Remains and A House Divided put together.
Not to mention that it is about as long as both of those episodes put together.
I thought Walter was a pretty cool guy, I was pissed at Nate for shooting Matthew, and I hate Bonnie because she even noticed that the group they were going to attack had children in it and she didn't warn them or anything. Here's a hint, normally when the people you're attacking have children with them, it means you're the bad guy.
I don't viciously hate Lilly and wish she would die a slow, painful death.
I liked Duck 'cause he was a happy idiot, and I felt like the grim world of TWD really needed that.
I don't think Carlos is really a "genius", I think the writers don't know shit about medicine. I actually like him after the way he stood up to Carver.
I agree with everything, except for Kenny's return. I always thought that if Kenny were to return, then he should at least explain how the hell he got out alive (specially in the alley scene), and I was annoyed that TTG didn't. But I'm glad he's back, and with a hobo beard to enhance his mustache's power.
Willem Dafoe the most terrifying man in history, even more so than maniac Christopher Walken.
I actually don't mean that their both legends.
We don't really know the details about what happened with Nick's mom, but it sounded to me like it was more of a situation where they were being careless. With Clem, all they would have had to do was wait and see if she developed the fever or not. They didn't have to isolate her in the shack by herself. It wouldn't have been hard to at least leave one person in there with her to watch over her. Someone such as Pete would have been an excellent choice. Heck, the group could have tied her to something if they were really concerned about her somehow suddenly turning on them. There are preventive measures they could have taken to ensure the safety of both parties. And like I said before, it's not like she would just turn into a walker at random. They would have a pretty clear idea of what was going on with her before that would happen.
p.s. Just letting you know it wasn't me who down voted your comment. I don't down vote people just because they have a different opinion
Morality doesn't go out the window just because your survival is being threatened. That in itself is pretty immoral, especially since Clem wasn't intentionally doing anything to harm them. She actually just wanted to walk away from the situation entirely, but they wouldn't let her.
Their survival actually really wasn't being threatened much at all regardless. They would seriously have to be stupid to have a bite victim turn into a walker and then proceed to catch them unaware/unprepared. At this point in the apocalypse there is no way that would happen. Its as simple as keeping an eye on her to see if she develops the fever or not. They could honestly have even brought her into the cabin. It really wouldn't be a nerve racking situation. Its not like shes just going to go from being totally fine to randomly transforming into a walker. She would drop dead first.. and I think that would be a pretty obvious sign that something isn't right.
Rebbecca, since she stopped being a total bitch in episode two, and actually let Clementine feel her baby kicking, she is my 2nd favorite member of the new group, the first being Luke.
I love this game so so much but... yeah. Sometimes what Telltale does pisses me off. Like killing characters so early. I get it this The Walking Dead but c'mon? Some of the characters carries so much potential that maybe they could make story more interesting and better like Larry, Mark, Pete, Matthew and Walter if they'd allow them to live.
Oh my god, I agree so much with the Clem saying "Oh shit" part. I actually paused my game, sat in confused silence and thought that my game file must've been corrupted or something again because I also never swore in front of Clem. I was so mad.
I am glad these are all unpopular opinions.
I agree with almost everything.
I sort of kind of disagree with point 2 because I enjoy Clem's steady transformation into robot psychopath and disliked Walter because he was a Stealth Communist. I'm glad he died before he got Clem to read Steinbeck.
A GREAT MISTAKE, HERETIC.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but the thread says "unpopular opinions". I believe this is the right place to say it
. Do what you want with me!
I like both Lily AND Kenny. I had to do 2 walkthroughs of favouring one or the other because I really like both characters. I like Kenny a tad more I guess as he didn't shoot Carley in the face but Lily is still cool and my Clem would be her friend if we meet Lily again.
No, yeah - I agree with you. Getting bit isn't an immediate death sentence, so they could have tried something different. Ultimately, though, she's not their problem. I remember thinking at the time that it was stupid because she could get a fever anyways just by being locked in a cold damp shed with an open wound, but I don't blame them for the choice they made.
I don't disagree about the idea of bringing her inside and tying her up, either. It just doesn't seem worth it, to me. That's all.
Also thanks for not downvoting me for having a different opinion.
the same.
That's exactly it. If he hadn't returned then we wouldn't be needing a good explanation as to how he managed to get out of there in the first place. :P I was pretty certain the ITYWD person would be him, but I hoped it wouldn't be because it was the obvious choice especially with knowing "Kenny's fate will be explored" and b) we need an explanation as to how he got out alive. Still had my Clem give him a hug anyway but so long as I get my explanation before he dies, I'll be happy. xD
I agree with most of these. I never liked Larry though but I still gave him food. Figured better keep the heavy guy sweet or at least try. Not a fan of Duck, Ben, Lily or Kenny. XD Neutral to all though Lily looses points for what she did to Carley.
And yeah can't agree with you on the Lee being alive either. He's definitely dead but I'm not going to downvote for you being hopeful. Be hypocritical of me seeing as I want to believe Omid survived the gunshot xD
About Clem's "Oh shit" thing, I don't think it would technically matter if Lee ever swore considering that alot of the other in the group did. Lilly, Kenny, Larry (definately Larry). Even though she might not have looked up to them, she could have picked it up. However if we don't consider them since at the time Clementine did spend most of her time with Lee, there's Christa and Omid too.
They might not curse like pirates but atleast a few swears would probably escape them if they got jumped by a walker, failed to loot an abandoned camp or something. Therefore I, who didn't let Lee use swears either, wasn't really surprised when Clementine let one slip (although I did think "Swear" when she did). It's the day she uses the F-word that I'll be shocked.
People have been asking for a Kenny DLC.
I don't think people mean "New Ben" as in he's a coward, because Nick has proven to be anything but. They say "New Ben" to mean that he's the new fuck up of Season 2, which is pretty accurate. He hasn't fucked up as badly as Ben yet, but it's still there.
And the most unpopular opinion of all...
Larry wasn't an innocent person and the situations were a lot different.
I agree.