St. John's Question?
I beat season one over 6 times, and every time I see the percentage of people who DID NOT kill BOTH of the St. Johns brothers, I am shocked! Who WOULDN'T, and for what reasons? On your FIRST play through, which did you kill if not both? Did you kill both? Did you spare both, why? I want to know the first play through choice when you DIDN'T know/think about clementine seeing it.
In my eyes, they were crazy, knew where the motor inn was, and could easily come back to kill the group at a later day, hence why I am dying to know why so many thought it was okay to spare either one.
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People mostly killed danny but when they realized clem saw it we were like oh sh*t and felt bad that clem saw it so we spared Andy
A couple of reasons. A big one is that they were obviously toast already. They were both in severely bad shape, they lost the farm, and they were getting swarmed by zombies with nowhere to go except into the woods filled with the starving infuriated bandits they've been alternating between cheating and eating and with how they were they probably weren't going to get that far.
Also Clementine was pretty much right there, and they were doing the "Abandon all hope and become monsters because it's how stuff is now!" routine and screw that. Instilling any kind of hope or sense that you can make the world not a crazy kill-fest, even if only in the very limited sphere of the part of it you happen to control at any given moment, is a huge deal and was well worth delaying gratification on offing the brothers myself. So yeah. I pretty much took the position that "I'm going back to my motor inn now, with my little girl and my group of still nominally semi-sane-ish people. Enjoy your overrun farm, angry bandits, and dinnertime with the zombies. I'd leave you a few bullets but, you know, they're valuable now and stuff."
If clementine hadn't seen you kill Danny probably 70% would kill both
They were going to die already, why kill a person who's already been beaten and is about to die anyways?
Clementine was there, why let her see Lee kill them?
Also, if you kill Danny you simply give him the satisfaction of being killed, he wins. If you kill Andy it's the same situation. And of course Clementine watches if you kill Danny and your whole group watches if you kill Andy, both of which were obviously done fighting. Who wants to let the bad guys win AND look bad in front of their friends at the same time?
It's selfish to kill them, in my opinion. You do it because you hate them. Not because you have to, because you want to. They deserve death but it's going to come to them in a few minutes regardless and the only benefit to killing them your self is having the satisfaction of killing them your self. Is it worth the satisfaction? Your choice.
The reason i didn't kill either brother
I killed both. I was sad that Clem saw it but then I reassured myself that it was for the best. I mean, they were cannibals man!
I didn't kill either of them, because they wanted me to.
but we don't see zombies coming until after you spare/kill Andy so that still leaves me puzzled bc yeah he got beat up but he could've recouped, and if you spared danny he could have released the bear trap from his leg
I kill them BOTH EVERY TIME i play
I don't care whether Clementine saw me kill both or not, she had to grow up anyway and they couldn't be allowed to live.
I didn't kill either for many reasons:
I killed Danny but not Andy. Danny was much worse than his brother, he deserved to die. But Andy? I don't know... When he find out that his family is dead i couldn't kill him. It was enough punishment for him.
Pretty much this. I feel if you kill them both you're no better than they are.
I didn't kill either for many reasons:
◦ " I didn't want to stoop down to their level and become a killer "
Well. Lee was a killer already and was on his way to prison before the apocolypse started, remember?
Wouldn't she be the reason you WOULD kill both brothers?
I knew that telltale wasn't going to make decisions that big. I spared them both because I knew that doing so wouldn't effect my game by much and if it were to, i'd replay it. Telltale is fucked up sometimes but they wouldn't kill off people from a decision you made that far back.
I'm not sure why I didn't kill them. In horror movies, or zombie ones, the protagonists usually thinks a certain person/zombie is dead, and eventually they die when that certain person/zombie was actually alive and comes for revenge. So, I established a rule: "ALWAYS KILL BAD GUY IS POSSIBLE, PREFERBLY WITH A HIT TO THE BRAIN". But, I just didn't managed to kill them. The entire group was watchig me, like Clementine. But, hey,, I don't regret. Instead of a quick death, they got eaten alive by walkers.
As Lee put it; "This is NOT how the world works now."
And I completely agree. Just because the world has turned to shit doesn't mean you have to act like shit.
We don't know if he intended to kill the senator though. For all we know Lee could've killed the senator unwillingly during a fight. There's a difference between accidentally killing someone in the heat of the moment and killing a helpless person for revenge.
Anyway, i decided to kill both of them. They were crazy and very dangerous people and i didn-t want to take the risk of one of them surviving and trying to get revenge! (Yes, it's possible to survive such " hopeless " situations. Kenny proofed that!)
I know Clem was watching me doing that, but she needs to grow up sometime and learn that we have to make hard decisions sometimes, to protect the people we care about.
I don't think it's plausible for the St. Johns to have survived. Danny got stuck in an altered bear trap with no release, and Andy pretty much lost all will to live and if you choose to punch him enough, has severe brain trauma.
Killing them made sense, given Lee's past. Seeing him go nuts and brutally kill both the St. Johns reinforces the idea that Lee has a core of homicidal rage that he needs to keep in check for Clementine's sake.
In my canon playthrough, Lee killed both of them and then confessed to Clementine that it was the wrong thing to do. From then on, Lee tried to teach Clem (and by extension convince himself) that killing is never a 'good' thing, no matter the reason behind it.
Both brother's are going to die if you kill them yourself or leave them to the walker's. The way I see it is, Lee is Clem's only role model, I don't want her to see the man she look's up to murdering unarmed men just because their asking for death
Ben's teacher (Mr. Parker) was caught in an identical bear trap at the beginning of episode 2 so assumptions are that the bear trap had been set by the St. Johns. At that point, it was stated the bear trap was modified so it could not be opened. Only way to get out was to cut off your own leg.
I killed Danny the first time I played and spared Andy when I realized Clem was around to see it. Second time, I spared both. Sometimes, there are things worse than death. Leaving Andy alone after his mother and brother are dead and he just lost everything can be seen as being worse than killing him. By killing him, you're just giving him the easy road out of the hell they were living in.
You usually don't go to prison for self-defense, unless you are poor as fuck, which Lee clearly wasn't.
I killed them both, and I thought it was in-character for Lee to do so. They were bad and they needed to be stopped. Plus I didn't want the possibility of one of them coming back for revenge (think about what happened in the TV show with Andrew or in Shel's story with the foreign guy). I also thought it was a good thing for Clem to see and understand the situation. I will admit that Lee could have been more humane in the way that he killed both of them, but I guess that ties into the bottled up rage that he also unleashed on the senator who was sleeping with his wife.
And honestly NOT killing Andy would be a crueler fate for him. His family was killed, his home destroyed, he's surrounded by walkers. Lee did him a favor. Though I guess some people might have thought the same thing and that's why they left him.
When I finally get to face to face with Danny (thanks to Lilly's help), I think some flashbacks came back to me like the ones happens in the hollywood movies. I was nearly spare Danny but then I remember his speech: ''What? You ain't gettin' soft on them soft are ya? Not after what they did to your friend!'' I was like: ''Yeah, you were right!'' I was nearly going to kill Danny but then I remember Mark's speech: ''Lee, this trap's been altered. There's no release latch.'' I was going to kill him but I think it's best to being a smart person right there. When it comes to Andy, I beat him so much. I released all my anger enough. Like: ''This is for Mark!'' ''This is for Larry!'' ''This is for all people you killed!'' ''Take that you cannibal son of a bitch!'' Also, I didn't tell him what happened to his mother and Danny. I choose to say: ''I said, IT'S OVER! Just walk away!''
But self defense or not, killing someone as important as a senator, he was going going to jail in either case, atleast thats what I think. Taking down a huge public figure like that is gonna mark you as a murderer for life regardless of how the event went down sadly. Tbh I'd like to think it was an accident in (my) Lee's case though.
I killed them both the first time I played. But after that, I think we don't have to kill the 2nd guy. His mother and brother were both dead. He didn't know that until Lee told him. Just leaving this guy in the rain alone is a more cruel punishment, compared with killing him, I think.
I admit I've wanted to every time I play, but that's just not the type of person my Lee is. Killing is wrong, no matter what the reason is. Plus that is not the person Clementine expects me to be.
It was so tempting to kill them. But... I really just couldn't. This game makes you really think about your choices. For example, when Kenny killed Larry, I couldn't do anything to stop that from happening. But when Danny got trapped, I was actually in control. I threw the pitchfork into the hay next to him and was rewarded with his fear and the message (?) Clementine will remember you spared him. I chose to save all that pent-up aggression for Andy and I did. The only reason I stopping hitting him was because Carley made me and even then I still couldn't kill them. Because in that moment... I knew they would remember the day they decided to cross Lee Everett and his group. And so, we left them amid the ruins...