Lee's fate and repercussion
Lee has to be one of my favourites characters ever, mostly because his motivation was so pure and unconditional. So, when the moment came to put an end to him, I couldn't do it.
I told Clem to put the handcuffs on his only arm and to leave without him. Sure, I didn't want her to kill a human being, that was my main motivation to allow Lee to turn. But I was also hoping that if, at any point, a cure was found for the walkers, Clem would know that Lee was still there, tied up.
So, what did you do with Lee? Why did you do it? And, do you think that it will have any repercussion in this season or next to come?
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I told her to kill Lee. She needs to know he isn't coming back as one of those things.
Also if they did find a cure and could turn them back they would be decaying and would die a horrible death anyways. That's a fate worse than undeath!
I think killing Lee would bring her more peace of mind than just leaving him there to turn into a walker. It offers closure in a way. She knows he isn't walking around trying to eat people and such. It's good for her to know that hes resting in peace.
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P.S.: "repercussion"
P.S.S.: That's probably not the word you wanted anyway.
Somewhere inside me, I thought maybe, maybe he can survive. I cut my arm off, killed the stranger, told her to leave me. My main goal was always no matter how hard is gonna be; keep Clem's innocence and hope. If I ask her to shoot me, that would've been a selfish way. It was so hard for me the sparing the cannibals, not stealing the food from the strangers car, letting Lilly in the RV... But I did these because she was there, I did these because loved her. I tried my best to protect her in my save also I pick the ultra good and hopeful dialouges even somewhere inside me knew that nothing is going to be fine. I still have the hope that he is alive. (In my save at least.) Yeah everyone is gonna give me a lot of downvotes but who cares? Before Episode 2 come out, I said that the person Clem thought was dead is Kenny and everyone said;''What a stupid person!'' Look how it that turned out? Oh by the way, try to replay Season One from Episode 4's last part, first try to pick the walkie talkie from the trash (Keep the arm in the episode 5 of course) then in the another time look the trash. Compare to bite marks. I think that will affect Season Two. If it's not going to affect this Season, what's the point of adding this?
I told her to kill him. It's horrible that anyone would ever have to do that to someone they love, but honestly I think she'd be better off knowing he's at rest rather than reanimated and still out there because she couldn't do it. With my Lee's last words to her: "Don't be afraid..." I guess all he could hope was that she would leave this off her conscience and move forward, rather than keep thinking back to Lee as a walker.
I do really wish that ending had that scene the other one has though, where Lee uses the last of his strength to give Clem's hand one last reassuring squeeze. All the feels.
Sorry about the spelling, english is not my first language. Also, what's so funny about keeping walkers alive? It has been done before, in Shel's dinner.
There was no way Clem could totally keep her innocence in that situation no matter what you do. I think its the more humane and right thing to do to shoot Lee. Not doing so could potentially wear on her mind for the rest of her life. I think it's better for her to know that he isn't a walker.
I couldn't force myself to have Clementine shoot him. I didn't want his death to be on her conscience. So I have Lee give her advice and say "I'll miss you." and let it end there. And I also wanted Lee to have one last look of Clementine before he dies.
I agree that she might be better off knowing he's at rest rather than reanimated, but my Lee loves Clementine like a daughter and he is willing to be a walker forever or a long time if it means that Clementine won't be eaten away by guilt of her killing him.
To me, that seems like a selfless choice.
I didn't want poor Lee to just sit there and mindlessly squirm around there as a walker, so I killed him.
She blames herself for Lee's death no matter what you do with him though..
Being the protective father figure that he is, I figured Lee wouldn't have wanted Clem to go through the kind of shit I had Kenny went through - shooting your own family. My Lee did a couple of things that might not have been the most moral decisions, but he's always a protective parent first.
That honestly seems like the mature approach to take.
But I don't know, at the time I thought that making a seven year old kill her father figure would haunt her forever. To be honest, I always had problems letting my main characters die (particularly when they're as likeable as Lee was). In my first playthrough (which got corrupted and had to be replayed) I didn't even had the balls to put handcuffs on him. I was still holding on to the dumb hope that maybe someone would come for him, and that I needed to leave him free and alive. I never mashed so hard in my life when the option came up for Lee to "get up".
But, at the end of the day, The Walking Dead isn't about happy endings...
It could be argued that its better for her long term mental health to just do the right thing and shoot him though. I mean, it's not like shes murdering the guy.
Told her to leave Lee.
I was hoping the outcome would be that she would be more innocent and less hardened, but nope. It's been two episodes, and we haven't seen the consequences of shooting Lee or leaving him and the effect it has on Clem. It was one of the big reasons why I played S2 in the first place.
I was gonna die anyway, after all did for her would've been gone in a second. I'm not criticizing your or anyone's choices man. I couldn't force her to shoot me that's all.
All I keep thinking and begging while the scene was happening was. "Appear Omid and Christa! Appear Omid and Christa!."
But don't you think it could be better for Clem's peace of mind to know Lee isn't roaming around as a walker?
Yeah, I know. Logically, that makes sense. But there's just an emotional disgust that comes with shooting your loved ones that didn't sit right with me, so I chose to let Clem go.
All well and good, and I really don't think there's a 'right' thing to do here.
Both could be seen as being done only with Clem's wellbeing in mind, but neither are going to be easy on her either way.
Is it really a good thing to seeing the one person you loved the most is standing in front of your eyes, has no life but a bullet in his head? Of course seeing as a walker is worst but I don't know man. I couldn't force her to do it. I'll never choose the option; ''You have to shoot me.''. Death you say? PFFT! I'm wiiling to be a walker forever if she still holds onto that hope. That's all that matters.
I told her to shoot him. Because, as altruist as he was during his life and how much he cared for others, i thought he deserves this last thing. I don't think it will have any repercussions, but yeah. What's dine is done.
If there was a cure, how would that fix the walkers' rotting bodies? But I chose to kill Lee. I didn't want him coming back as one of them. And the Walkers would have their arm tear off if they wanted to get somewhere
They're rotting animated corpses dude they're not "alive", you can't cure them so that they get better. The cure is a bullet.
There's no real way to know how that works.
No one knows how the infection started, what parts if affects, what's the final outcome. People cut their limbs without knowing if it will do any good, and there's no viable way to find out how much of a person remains in a walker. And to be honest, we're talking about zombies here. We're not in the realm of science and reality, we're already dealing with something "paranormal" to put it in some way.
I agree, it doesn't get much more naive than to hope for a walker to "get better" but, what the hell, it gave me a little more hope than a bullet to the head.
P.S: I don't watch the TV show, I could be dead wrong about all of this.
I didnt want clem to kill him, but i knew it was better then him turning.
I've let Clem make the decision on my more recent playthroughs. Most of the time, she decides not too, but in my most recent one, she decided to end Lee's suffering.
I made her leave me. I also made her handcuff me just in case I DID change (my punishment was trying to grab the bat with my good hand and have the camera pan down to remind me- the damn radiator...). When it came down to it, making Clementine shoot Lee was unbearable to think about. I saw all the options to tell her why shooting me was bad and still chose the "Shooting people changes you" option. So before she left, I told her to keep that hair short, find Omid and Christa, chose the "I'll miss you" option (No "I love you" option? Strange...) and spent the rest of my night crying to sleep. Why'd I tell her to go without shooting Lee? Knowing she killed him wouldn't be good for her conscious.
I don't really feel like I made Clem do anything. Clem didn't want me to turn. this was the only way..to have her shoot me. It IS a mercy...or at least otherwise why shoot the boy in the attic..why shoot Duck rather than just leave him. Its an accepted thing that leaving people to become monsters rather than dying in peace is a good thing at least in terms of the game mythos ..I don't know about the comics never read them..I do know it is that way in the TV show. Ultimately though I put myself in Lee's shoes. He wanted Clem to survive that was his Raison d'être imo. To see to it that Clem was as prepared as possible to live and survive in what the world had become. Which is to say its basically the dark ages. The world has turned tribal and Hobbesian with disparate groups struggling to survive. As a general rule of thumb she shouldn't leave alive walkers around because while slow they are dangerous. But on a larger scale, she has to be able to kill to survive. She has to be able to pull the trigger even if she doesn't want to..even if it makes her sad. Because its about survival not some absurd notion that the world will return to the way it was somehow. It won't. Shooting Lee was just the hardest and last lesson Lee could give to her before she was on her own. My 2 cents anyway.
I had Clem shoot Lee. Killing someone you love is always hard, and I hated putting her through that, but it was better than the alternative. Plus, while nothing could be done for her parents, at least she would be able to make sure that Lee didn't become one of them and in the process learn that in a world as crappy as TWD, sometimes you have to do things like this for the people you love. And on top of it all, I thought that it was what Lee deserved. To rest in peace, not shambling around as a corpse. After everything he went through for Clem, everything he sacrificed (including his life) I thought that he deserved that one thing.
I told her to leave. At the time I thought that'd be the last episode officially so I just wanted her to stay safe without any damage done thinking that I didn't have any chance to change her future life.
Yeah I'm sure there's a cure for this:
Like a topical cream or something. Clem can just pop on back to Lee's chained corpse after a few years and apply it to the bullethole in his forehead or whatever strip of exposed flesh that's not yet rotted off and or completely necrotized and dessicated.
...no just kidding that's "clap your hands and Tinkerbell will get better" levels of horseshit, sorry.
I'm sure there's a whole collection of dismembered bodies that you can show me, but it doesn't change the fact that we're still talking about fiction. Maybe a freshly turned walker can be saved, maybe it depends if it turns by natural causes or by bite, I don't know. Most likely you're right, there's no cure (even less for Lee at this point) and hoping for one is absolute horseshit.
Still, I never understand how walker's flesh is supposed to be rotten and decomposed, when in several encounters a walker was hidden a few feet away and none of the characters smelled anything. Rotten meat reeks worst than anything.
But I digress, my point is that there might be a cure at some point. It might help a minimal number, it might not be perfect, but that's for the writers to decide. And at the point I left Lee alive, I didn't know next season would take place after so much time. It made a shard of sense at the moment to make everything in my power to set the stage for that miracle.
It didn't happen, and my Lee is now a one-armed walker rotting chained to a radiator. In retrospective, yes, it was a bad call, but I think it was better for Clem to not go through it at that point.
I made Clem leave Lee behind because I didn't want to put her through something like that. In just a day she'd been kidnapped, locked in a closet, seen her undead parents and then seen her only father figure about to die. I just couldn't make Clem do that.
Well personally I didn't as always been eternal optimist and always believed could get up and or find a cure once shoot him its game over also so immersed in the game felt in Lee shoes and didn't want to be killed lol. But from a more rational standpoint had flashback to when Lee shot that girl in the apartment how still on my mind and didn't want human life on Clem's shoulders especially shooting someone you love in such graphic manner would scar her for life. Thorough game taught her not to kill humans but Walkers and wanted her not lose her morals plus she doesn't waste a bullet I seen it as so selfish to ask Clem to shot lee