Her story ended abruptly and they must have left her fate open for discussion for a reason. The general rule in these games is if you don't see someone die, they aren't dead.
Besides, I think her character was more interesting than ever when she left the group, I'd love to see her back.
I agree completely. Kenny's arc was perfect and he came back, Lilly's ended abruptly while her character was just getting interesting, so why can't she come back?
I'm sorry to repeat myself, but I just genuinely don't understand how you think Lilly's story is over but Kenny's wasn't, can you enlighten me?
Sorry, I just...really can't fathom that
This doesn't make any sense if you leave Lilly on the side of the road, how did she get the RV? As interesting as it would be to have Lilly show up, it's not gonna happen.
Absolutely this. It's cool having a returning character and all, but it's annoying that it's the one that has so many crazed (and unjustified) fans.
I'll be really annoyed if he survives this season, because it would be blatant fan pandering.
I was happier thinking that Kenny was dead, I disliked his character immensely but felt that he had a well deserved and redeeming sendoff by sacrificing himself to save the others. Having him come back and already bring a load of shit and conflict with him is just making me hate him all over again.
Also, a secondary unrelated topic to the conversation you responded to, your explanation for his survival doesn't fall on deaf ears... it just doesn't make sense.
It makes sense. At this point you're just being voluntarily pig-headed (much like your avatar, really). No matter what reason or explanation is offered, no matter how articulate or researched you simply shut it down with the same chant: "Kenny should be dead. Kenny should be dead." It's gotten annoying, it's gotten tiresome, and it's gone way beyond simply being "your opinion". I've come across your type online before; the arrogantly superior forum member who turns his nose up at what he considers to be juvenile fanservice, when in truth, the majority of season 2 has been anything BUT.
In the previous episode, Clementine was 1) indirectly responsible for Omid's death, 2) attacked by bandits, 4) attacked by zombies, 5) mauled by a feral dog, 6) thrown into a rickety shack by a group of paranoid assholes, and 7) verbally abused by a pregnant woman. That wasn't enough to satisfy your bloodlust? Seriously? Would Clem have to be sodomized in episode 3 to make you even SLIGHTLY satisfied? Even the return of a character whose "death" was ambiguous in the first place is to be sneered away as being "fanservice"?
Why wait until the end of the season to voice our opinions on his return being idiotic when it can be said now? After all it isn't that they… more brought him back and are going to continue his story, it's that they have brought him back in the first place. Seeing as the sin has been committed now why not talk about it now?
Also, a secondary unrelated topic to the conversation you responded to, your explanation for his survival doesn't fall on deaf ears... it just doesn't make sense.
And I feel that the return of the character specifically was a shame when other characters have had much less screentime, characters who DIDN'T have a satisfying close to their arc.
The new cast had their shot in episode 1, but Telltale unfortunately made the error of introducing most of them as hysterical brutes. You might complain that Kenny's return was unfair to season 2's characters, but the fact is, NONE of them have nearly as much impact as their predecessors.
"But that's because they haven't been given a chance," you say. Really? If the original survivor group in season 1 were a bunch of trigger-happy idiots who fired a couple of bullets in Lee's direction because they mistook his black skin for charred flesh (and in their first scene with him, no less), would you be just as ready to argue they hadn't been given a chance?
I never ever said that he escape was unfeasible.
Hence I'm not ignoring any such thing: his escape was perfectly feasible, but it cannot … morebe denied that a description of how he did manage to escape would be nice intead of just saying 'I got lucky'
And absolutely, his season 2 arc could well go anywhere, I am merely stating that I think his sacrifice would have been a fitting end to his arc. Who knows, maybe when his arc comes to a close in season 2, I'll think that one was better.
However, that does not prevent me from saying that, as things stand, in my opinion his arc had ended well. And I feel that the return of the character specifically was a shame when other characters have had much less screentime, characters who DIDN'T have a satisfying close to their arc.
I'm not really sure what you're arguing against, because I agree with everything you're saying.
But his escape being possible does not mean that it wouldn't be nice to hear about how it actually happened.
But onto the point. I've had these conversations before. One involving you, if I remember correctly. The attempts to explain his survival are ridiculous. Too many holes in even the best of theories.
Uhhhh... what? By that second portion of your post I believe I'm more founded to ask you that final question you asked me.
Also, a secondary unrelated topic to the conversation you responded to, your explanation for his survival doesn't fall on deaf ears... it ju… morest doesn't make sense.
It makes sense. At this point you're just being voluntarily pig-headed (much like your avatar, really). No matter what reason or explanation is offered, no matter how articulate or researched you simply shut it down with the same chant: "Kenny should be dead. Kenny should be dead." It's gotten annoying, it's gotten tiresome, and it's gone way beyond simply being "your opinion". I've come across your type online before; the arrogantly superior forum member who turns his nose up at what he considers to be juvenile fanservice, when in truth, the majority of season 2 has been anything BUT.
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And I feel that the return of the character specifically was a shame when other characters have had much less screentime, characters who DID… moreN'T have a satisfying close to their arc.
The new cast had their shot in episode 1, but Telltale unfortunately made the error of introducing most of them as hysterical brutes. You might complain that Kenny's return was unfair to season 2's characters, but the fact is, NONE of them have nearly as much impact as their predecessors.
"But that's because they haven't been given a chance," you say. Really? If the original survivor group in season 1 were a bunch of trigger-happy idiots who fired a couple of bullets in Lee's direction because they mistook his black skin for charred flesh (and in their first scene with him, no less), would you be just as ready to argue they hadn't been given a chance?
Nothing even CLOSE to that ever happened. So I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
For crying out loud, were you even paying attention to what I wrote? That whole sentence began with the word "IF", as in the situation I described was a hypothetical scenario. I don't want to treat you like a moron, but you're making it damned hard.
Um. What the fuck are you referencing with that second paragraph?
Nothing even CLOSE to that ever happened. So I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
The funny part is you act like you know me
But onto the point. I've had these conversations before. One involving you, if I remember cor… morerectly. The attempts to explain his survival are ridiculous. Too many holes in even the best of theories.
Uhhhh... what? By that second portion of your post I believe I'm more founded to ask you that final question you asked me.
But it was written as if it were referencing somebody. It would've made more sense if it was "locked Lee in a shed," because that's something the Season 2 protagonists did to Clementine. You said it as if Luke had shot at Clem because she was black.
Nothing even CLOSE to that ever happened. So I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
For crying out loud, were you even pay… moreing attention to what I wrote? That whole sentence began with the word "IF", as in the situation I described was a hypothetical scenario. I don't want to treat you like a moron, but you're making it damned hard.
It would be a nice twist if Lilly came back and she and Kenny worked together instead of fighting. We'd all expect some kind of showdown between them. I'd be interested in seeing it play out differently.
In S1E1, I had no emotional attachment to any of the characters except that I hated Larry. None of the others were particularly interesting to me until S1E2, and I honestly didn't get fully attached to Clementine until S1E3.
Same thing with S2 so far. I found the characters mildly interesting in S2E1 - but only in S2E2 did I start to sympathize with Nick and get attached to Luke.
And I feel that the return of the character specifically was a shame when other characters have had much less screentime, characters who DID… moreN'T have a satisfying close to their arc.
The new cast had their shot in episode 1, but Telltale unfortunately made the error of introducing most of them as hysterical brutes. You might complain that Kenny's return was unfair to season 2's characters, but the fact is, NONE of them have nearly as much impact as their predecessors.
"But that's because they haven't been given a chance," you say. Really? If the original survivor group in season 1 were a bunch of trigger-happy idiots who fired a couple of bullets in Lee's direction because they mistook his black skin for charred flesh (and in their first scene with him, no less), would you be just as ready to argue they hadn't been given a chance?
OMG WILL YOU MORONS JUST LET IT GO!!!! Lillys character was at first the same lilly from the comics meaning telltale NEVER INTENDED TO USE HER AFTER EPISODE 3 SEASON 1! Jesus what do you idiosas not get about that?
You did say you've met people like me on the Internet before. To which I say, you don't know me. Maybe you should pause for a second and think about how you look while posting these personal attacks.
The funny part is you act like you know me
Now it's my turn to say "what?" I'm beginning to think you have genuine issues that need to be resolved outside of an online forum.
I don't think it's the same RV. If you took Lilly with you and she got away later at the train, on picking the right dialogue, Kenny says so… moremething like she won't get far because of the RV's engine [I forgot the exact lines]. So it could be any old truck that belongs to Carver's men that'll be used to transport the whole group back to the camp.
Although, I hope that we do see Lilly. By how she was in season 1, she'd definitely go to another group or some community if she trusted them, where as someone like Molly might not given her experience at Crawford. I don't think everyone at Carver's camp will be corrupt like him, so there is a chance Lilly could be there.
Or maybe she's at Wellington, waiting for Kenny to arrive so she can punch in the face for killing her daddy o.o
Also, a secondary unrelated topic to the conversation you responded to, your explanation for his survival doesn't fall on deaf ears... it ju… morest doesn't make sense.
It makes sense. At this point you're just being voluntarily pig-headed (much like your avatar, really). No matter what reason or explanation is offered, no matter how articulate or researched you simply shut it down with the same chant: "Kenny should be dead. Kenny should be dead." It's gotten annoying, it's gotten tiresome, and it's gone way beyond simply being "your opinion". I've come across your type online before; the arrogantly superior forum member who turns his nose up at what he considers to be juvenile fanservice, when in truth, the majority of season 2 has been anything BUT.
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You did say you've met people like me on the Internet before. To which I say, you don't know me. Maybe you should pause for a second and think about how you look while posting these personal attacks.
OMG WILL YOU MORONS JUST LET IT GO!!!! Lillys character was at first the same lilly from the comics meaning telltale NEVER INTENDED TO USE HER AFTER EPISODE 3 SEASON 1! Jesus what do you idiosas not get about that?
Here's the problem with that, though. Tyresse was constantly showing himself to be capable in melee fighting. Fuck, he was more capable with melee fighting than with guns, and he made some unlikely headshots. If you look at every single time Ken has been in a fight with his fists, he gets his ass whooped. Except if you let him win, because you feel bad. Or except for the one zombie who was trapped under the RV. Rick would've died tenfold if it weren't for Tyresse. Lee would've died once, but he also would've had two times where his chances were higher to live. Oh, and Shawn would be alive. So actually, if it weren't for Kenny, Lee and Clem would've met the best survivors on the planet. Lee might still be alive, if that were the case.
OMG WILL YOU MORONS JUST LET IT GO!!!! Lillys character was at first the same lilly from the comics meaning telltale NEVER INTENDED TO USE HER AFTER EPISODE 3 SEASON 1! Jesus what do you idiosas not get about that?
OMG WILL YOU MORONS JUST LET IT GO!!!! Lillys character was at first the same lilly from the comics meaning telltale NEVER INTENDED TO USE HER AFTER EPISODE 3 SEASON 1! Jesus what do you idiosas not get about that?
Actually that would be nice to see how things go between Lilly and Kenny if she comes back , will she help Clementine and the group out or wont give them a chance after what Kenny did .. (Don't think telltale gonna bring another character back tho )
Here's the problem with that, though. Tyresse was constantly showing himself to be capable in melee fighting. Fuck, he was more capable with… more melee fighting than with guns, and he made some unlikely headshots. If you look at every single time Ken has been in a fight with his fists, he gets his ass whooped. Except if you let him win, because you feel bad. Or except for the one zombie who was trapped under the RV. Rick would've died tenfold if it weren't for Tyresse. Lee would've died once, but he also would've had two times where his chances were higher to live. Oh, and Shawn would be alive. So actually, if it weren't for Kenny, Lee and Clem would've met the best survivors on the planet. Lee might still be alive, if that were the case.
I don't think it's the same RV. If you took Lilly with you and she got away later at the train, on picking the right dialogue, Kenny says so… moremething like she won't get far because of the RV's engine [I forgot the exact lines]. So it could be any old truck that belongs to Carver's men that'll be used to transport the whole group back to the camp.
Although, I hope that we do see Lilly. By how she was in season 1, she'd definitely go to another group or some community if she trusted them, where as someone like Molly might not given her experience at Crawford. I don't think everyone at Carver's camp will be corrupt like him, so there is a chance Lilly could be there.
Or maybe she's at Wellington, waiting for Kenny to arrive so she can punch in the face for killing her daddy o.o
On the one hand: having both Lily AND Kenny reappear would be some soap-opera levels of writing and would break immersion for me.
Word travels faster in the zombie apocalypse than you think. Clem and Christa were heading towards Wellington when season 2 began based strictly on what Christa heard second-hand, and considering how ruthlessly practical Christa is, I doubt she'd hedge her bets on a mere rumour.
The same applies to Lilly. If the security of Carver's compound has gained a name for itself (whether it's a famous or infamous name remains to be seen), a hardcore survivalist like Lilly would be drawn to such a place. If she's completely psychotic by this point, it would make even MORE sense.
On the one hand: having both Lily AND Kenny reappear would be some soap-opera levels of writing and would break immersion for me.
On the other hand: I want to break Lily's face, so there's that.
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Her story ended abruptly and they must have left her fate open for discussion for a reason. The general rule in these games is if you don't see someone die, they aren't dead.
Besides, I think her character was more interesting than ever when she left the group, I'd love to see her back.
I'm a Kenny fan. ;-;
I agree completely. Kenny's arc was perfect and he came back, Lilly's ended abruptly while her character was just getting interesting, so why can't she come back?
Kenny's had a climax, and an epic, heartbreaking conclusion. Or so we thought.
Lilly's ended so fucking abruptly it made my head spin.
She probably followed the group, with the same plan to steal the RV in mind, or planning on attempting to get back in the group.
Absolutely this. It's cool having a returning character and all, but it's annoying that it's the one that has so many crazed (and unjustified) fans.
I'll be really annoyed if he survives this season, because it would be blatant fan pandering.
I was happier thinking that Kenny was dead, I disliked his character immensely but felt that he had a well deserved and redeeming sendoff by sacrificing himself to save the others. Having him come back and already bring a load of shit and conflict with him is just making me hate him all over again.
Woah, is this the same Ben Paul from the other forum?
Just explain me. Why do you put (ep 3 spoilers) if you are already saying all in the title? '-'
If Lilly is coming back, I'm going to complain to Kirkman that TTG is changing TWD to Destiny Zombie.
Okay, so what would YOUR "not-so-fan-friendly" version of season 2 be like? Enlighten us.
Nothing wrong with that, unless you're not claiming other characters can't return because their 'story is over'
Well, exactly!
It's a fuck ton more likely than the beard showing up.
It makes sense. At this point you're just being voluntarily pig-headed (much like your avatar, really). No matter what reason or explanation is offered, no matter how articulate or researched you simply shut it down with the same chant: "Kenny should be dead. Kenny should be dead." It's gotten annoying, it's gotten tiresome, and it's gone way beyond simply being "your opinion". I've come across your type online before; the arrogantly superior forum member who turns his nose up at what he considers to be juvenile fanservice, when in truth, the majority of season 2 has been anything BUT.
In the previous episode, Clementine was 1) indirectly responsible for Omid's death, 2) attacked by bandits, 4) attacked by zombies, 5) mauled by a feral dog, 6) thrown into a rickety shack by a group of paranoid assholes, and 7) verbally abused by a pregnant woman. That wasn't enough to satisfy your bloodlust? Seriously? Would Clem have to be sodomized in episode 3 to make you even SLIGHTLY satisfied? Even the return of a character whose "death" was ambiguous in the first place is to be sneered away as being "fanservice"?
What's your problem, anyway?
The new cast had their shot in episode 1, but Telltale unfortunately made the error of introducing most of them as hysterical brutes. You might complain that Kenny's return was unfair to season 2's characters, but the fact is, NONE of them have nearly as much impact as their predecessors.
"But that's because they haven't been given a chance," you say. Really? If the original survivor group in season 1 were a bunch of trigger-happy idiots who fired a couple of bullets in Lee's direction because they mistook his black skin for charred flesh (and in their first scene with him, no less), would you be just as ready to argue they hadn't been given a chance?
The funny part is you act like you know me
But onto the point. I've had these conversations before. One involving you, if I remember correctly. The attempts to explain his survival are ridiculous. Too many holes in even the best of theories.
Uhhhh... what? By that second portion of your post I believe I'm more founded to ask you that final question you asked me.
Strength wise, not health wise he was weak strength wise
Um. What the fuck are you referencing with that second paragraph?
Nothing even CLOSE to that ever happened. So I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
For crying out loud, were you even paying attention to what I wrote? That whole sentence began with the word "IF", as in the situation I described was a hypothetical scenario. I don't want to treat you like a moron, but you're making it damned hard.
Now it's my turn to say "what?" I'm beginning to think you have genuine issues that need to be resolved outside of an online forum.
But it was written as if it were referencing somebody. It would've made more sense if it was "locked Lee in a shed," because that's something the Season 2 protagonists did to Clementine. You said it as if Luke had shot at Clem because she was black.
In response to your first paragraph:
In S1E1, I had no emotional attachment to any of the characters except that I hated Larry. None of the others were particularly interesting to me until S1E2, and I honestly didn't get fully attached to Clementine until S1E3.
Same thing with S2 so far. I found the characters mildly interesting in S2E1 - but only in S2E2 did I start to sympathize with Nick and get attached to Luke.
OMG WILL YOU MORONS JUST LET IT GO!!!! Lillys character was at first the same lilly from the comics meaning telltale NEVER INTENDED TO USE HER AFTER EPISODE 3 SEASON 1! Jesus what do you idiosas not get about that?
You did say you've met people like me on the Internet before. To which I say, you don't know me. Maybe you should pause for a second and think about how you look while posting these personal attacks.
Also if you left her behind Lilly never steals the RV...
No Lilly, no Molly, people get bitten, important characters are suddenly headshotted and die.
Here, here.
Kenny's survival wasn't that unlikely, even Tyreese managed worse.
Don't worry. They call that kind of folk 'Keyboard Warriors'. If you actually met they'd run away from an argument. :P
Idiosas? What tha fuck is that? Something similar to idiot maybe?
Here's the problem with that, though. Tyresse was constantly showing himself to be capable in melee fighting. Fuck, he was more capable with melee fighting than with guns, and he made some unlikely headshots. If you look at every single time Ken has been in a fight with his fists, he gets his ass whooped. Except if you let him win, because you feel bad. Or except for the one zombie who was trapped under the RV. Rick would've died tenfold if it weren't for Tyresse. Lee would've died once, but he also would've had two times where his chances were higher to live. Oh, and Shawn would be alive. So actually, if it weren't for Kenny, Lee and Clem would've met the best survivors on the planet. Lee might still be alive, if that were the case.
Exactly, Lilly's character was supposed to be the same one from the comics. Now that she isn't, Telltale can bring her back. You are an idiosas
Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn my back and slam the door
Actually that would be nice to see how things go between Lilly and Kenny if she comes back , will she help Clementine and the group out or wont give them a chance after what Kenny did .. (Don't think telltale gonna bring another character back tho )
On the one hand: having both Lily AND Kenny reappear would be some soap-opera levels of writing and would break immersion for me.
On the other hand: I want to break Lily's face, so there's that.
Pushing one or two zombies aside and then running away isn't impossible, even Clementine can do that easily.
You're right. Pushing one or two away isn't impossible. But pushing a hundred away, while they're shoulder to shoulder in a cramped alley, that is.
It might be, because there's always backup parts in the apocalypse.
Word travels faster in the zombie apocalypse than you think. Clem and Christa were heading towards Wellington when season 2 began based strictly on what Christa heard second-hand, and considering how ruthlessly practical Christa is, I doubt she'd hedge her bets on a mere rumour.
The same applies to Lilly. If the security of Carver's compound has gained a name for itself (whether it's a famous or infamous name remains to be seen), a hardcore survivalist like Lilly would be drawn to such a place. If she's completely psychotic by this point, it would make even MORE sense.