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Is the Cabin Group Working?

Kimi492Kimi492
edited May 2014 in The Walking Dead
Now, I'll start off by saying I'm not trying to be a negative nancy here, but I've seen several posts about how EP 3 will probably contain a lot of deaths just like EP 3 of season 1. And honestly it's bothering me a bit, that for me at least, for the large majority, I don't empathize or care about this group like I did in season 1. Even though Duck annoyed me a bit, and Lilly was acting like a psychopath, I tried everything I could to try and keep the group together because I wanted the whole group to survive, considering how much Lee and the group had been through together.

Maybe it's the crazy shit we went through as a group in EP 2 of the first season, but I feel like S1's group had a chance to bond whereas S2 has had little to none with most of the characters; Nick is probably the one we've had the most time with, and now he's freaking determinate. Some might say that this interaction/bonding might happen in EP 3, which it very well could, but it almost feels like too little too late. We could have had plenty of interaction with the group during those 5 days on the road, maybe some shit could have happened that would have forced Clementine and the group to trust each other more. But the fact is that it didn't. I guess my main point is, how do you guys feel about how our relationship with the cabin group has developed? If/when these characters bite the dust, are there any you would wish didn't?

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  • TDMshadowCPTDMshadowCP Banned
    Nick and Sarah are probably the closest to Clem. If Pete was alive, him too.
  • TheGoodTheBadTheDeadTheGoodTheBadTheDead
    Back in *All That Remains* (not even the italics work :( ), I thought that it was an interesting new approach having Clem enter this group of survivors as a potentially untrustworthy stranger with a bite. At the moment, I even forgave Carlos' medical *brilliance* because it was something new, a sequence that showed just like the other half of the episode that Clem could take care of herself decently. I was looking forward to meeting, interacting with and earning the trust (or not) of these people.

    It was all setup, little payoff. **(?) Rebecca will remember that.**, **(?) Alvin will remeber that.**, **(?) Carlos will remember that.**. The hell they will! Not only did they (IMHO) wasted some good opportunities to have some group development scenes in the cabin, the ski-lodge or on the road, they also disregarded your responses toward the group -whether positive or negative- and made them default BFFs with Clem. Why is this a problem? Because consistency and the weight of our interactions with the group are important things.

    I get that given the circumstances, some degree of acceptance and trust towards Clementine was warranted and needed for the story, but the friendship/rivalries and differing opinions showed last time around, and the goal of survival kept (for the most part) the Motel group together, even if they were somewhat cross at each other.

    **TL;DR:** We are strangers. Strangers who can insult each other one and completely reconcile off-camera five days later.
  • jamoecwjamoecw
    this group is different, which is good. if this group bonded with clementine the same way S1's group bonded with clementine then it would just be S2's group, and when S3 rolls around you'd expect the same thing, like it is expected to just find a group at some point and bond with them into a cohesive whole in a zombie apocalypse. you still bond with people, but as the group isn't a cohesive whole, but a collection of groups that have survived. you won't get a group bonding, this is good (story wise). you probably will need more to feel secure with people due to the group getting killed off, which should be expected, and should be reflected in how others react towards people as well (thus there is less trust to go around).

    in S1 when people died it was a tragic thing that we got to reflect on soon after. we had plenty of time to bond, and it hurt when they died. this time i expected them to die off at some point, just not this readily, or with things moving apace while it was happening. in a story about hardships of being in a warzone (yes the zombie apocalypse is a warzone), when you are ready for people to die then their death doesn't drive the story forward. so by doing it in a way that we weren't ready for it, they made their deaths drive the story forward. extra bonding would have helped the deaths hurt more, but it would have been more of the same, and thus not add to the story.

    they had to die in this way in order for the story to continue forward, though there needs to always be that slim splinter of hope buried in the tragedy at the end of each season, otherwise we won't stay hooked to the story. though i doubt everyone kept hope from S1 to S2, and some will be lost from S2 to S3, that is the nature of warzone stories. everyone loses hope eventually, though the more skillful the storyteller the less are lost between transitions. too happy an ending and the hardships seem pointless, too sad an ending and the good times seem pointless.

    the story is a story rarely told, as you are guaranteed to lose your audience at some point, though that makes the story seem more important the tale to be told. they have done well if you felt the deaths in S1 sucked (emotionally), and that you felt the deaths in S2 sucked (emotionally), but in a different way (like maybe lost potential, or something else, not just the loss of another person). i feel they have done a good job thus far, and i hope that the splinter of hope that remains in clementine's survival, but if it isn't i hope that i can still find the splinter of hope for S3.
  • JonGonJonGon
    I play with the mindset of trying not to be alone and I think Clem is feeling that too. Yea the group isn't the most lovable group of people there is but they're people. I find the fear of being alone actually enhances the experience, makes me empathize with Clementine.
  • SergeantSnookieSergeantSnookie
    Not knowing them as well as we did the S1 group makes them harder to trust, which was needed for Carver planting the seeds of doubt in Clem's mind to actually be effective.
  • TheGoodTheBadTheDeadTheGoodTheBadTheDead
    I think that while they were too distrustful in *All That Remains*, and was somewhat justified, in *A House Divided* they are the opposite.
    SergeantSnookie posted: »

    Not knowing them as well as we did the S1 group makes them harder to trust, which was needed for Carver planting the seeds of doubt in Clem's mind to actually be effective.

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