The hypocrisy in this forum is over 9000
When people point out Clem became less likable because some of her lines are way too cold and don't fit her character, they get a shit ton of people telling them they suck and that badass clem is best Clem.
Then the achievements for episode 3 get leaked and people assume Clem gets a beating. What's the first thing people do? Go on and cry about poor little Clemmy getting hurt. And I am all like: "U wot m8?"
Now TTG (finally) blesses us with a trailer and the forum is full of Troy hate, when he has done NOTHING so far and we still know next to nothing of him. We haven't even heard him talk yet. He could have the best written backstory in the whole history of TWD and you guys already condemned him because he gave Clem a boo-boo? What would Winston say if he saw you guys. Oh right.
"Jesus, are you fucking kidding me!?"
I seriously hope some of the hardcore Clem fans never become parents, because the way they are probably going to spoil their own kid will totally lead to it becoming a COARL or worse. Sorry to say this, but I can't bear this hypocrisy anymore.
If you want Clem to be a badass, then accept the fact that she will get beat up and get shit from other character. A lot. Because badasses aren't nice and invoke the hostility of other characters. Badassery usually leads to uncomfortable situations for the badass, and a badass usually can handle those. That's what actually defines a badass. If you can't handle that, then stop worshiping badass Clem. Problem's solved.
Then the achievements for episode 3 get leaked and people assume Clem gets a beating. What's the first thing people do? Go on and cry about poor little Clemmy getting hurt. And I am all like: "U wot m8?"
Now TTG (finally) blesses us with a trailer and the forum is full of Troy hate, when he has done NOTHING so far and we still know next to nothing of him. We haven't even heard him talk yet. He could have the best written backstory in the whole history of TWD and you guys already condemned him because he gave Clem a boo-boo? What would Winston say if he saw you guys. Oh right.
"Jesus, are you fucking kidding me!?"
I seriously hope some of the hardcore Clem fans never become parents, because the way they are probably going to spoil their own kid will totally lead to it becoming a COARL or worse. Sorry to say this, but I can't bear this hypocrisy anymore.
If you want Clem to be a badass, then accept the fact that she will get beat up and get shit from other character. A lot. Because badasses aren't nice and invoke the hostility of other characters. Badassery usually leads to uncomfortable situations for the badass, and a badass usually can handle those. That's what actually defines a badass. If you can't handle that, then stop worshiping badass Clem. Problem's solved.
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Edit: I mean the guy above the guy above me. We posted at the same time apparently.
Just to be clear, the guy called "SilenceIsAnOption" with Slenderman as his profile pic.
As for Troy, stop being so mad! When Clem tried to help Alvin (I surrendered in my "nice" playthrough), she got hit in stomach area with a pistol. Why there's no outrage for that? We don't know the context of the scene, so let's not jump to any conclusions.
I won't deny that he could shape up to be an interesting and complex character, but once you hit a little girl, you stand no chance of getting sympathy from me.
It doesn't necessarily mean they're hypocrites or wish that the scene wasn't in the game, just that they care about Clem.
She isn't invincible. I think this episode is going to be a reminder of that. While the protective part of the mind isn't going to like seeing it, from a story point of view, I like it.
Also... fuck context. Seriously. This "context" talk is really starting to annoy me. The context *does not matter* when it comes to something like ramming a gun into a child's face. He may turn out to be an interesting guy, he may have "panicked" or some dumb crap, but in the end, he *rammed a gun into a child's face*. There is no good, justified reason why someone would do that. Plain and simple.
I gotta say, though, I'm rather surprised and amused that Troy is getting this level of hate. Usually, with this fandom, the character has to be a female to get this level of hate, even if the female character in question is nowhere near as bad as male characters that get tons of fans and praise from the fandom, including Nate and Carver. Compare the defending you see for those assholes to people wishing death on Bonnie because she was working under the command of another person to scope out our group, and a few people hating on Tavia ***for no reason***. And those are just the bizarre ones. There's plenty more to go around.
It's a change of pace, if nothing else.
Lizzy would like to have a word with you. Does "Look at the flowers" ring a bell?
Zombie apocalypse, fellas. There are no kids anymore. There is this whole speech of Chuck about people being alive and all. Shit fits quite well.
Fine, fine, jokes aside. While I certainly can't condone Troy's actions, I can't really say that Clementine at this point of story is harmless. The action was maybe violent and unjustified, but what if it didn't happen? What if Clementine managed to wound or even kill someone from Carver's camp. I'm talking about a lot of "ifs", but there is a potential line from Clem in Episode 2: "I'd shoot me". Clementine might have done the same if the roles were reversed.
As for badasses and assholes getting praised while female characters are getting hated, I guess it has something to do with the players demographic. Most of the gamers (yes, female gamers, most) are male. Many of them seem to admire badass or even outright assholes. They have a degree of respect (and admiration) for people who can act tough, ruthless, sometimes crazy, because that makes them look cool.
I don't know a thing about Bonnie or Tavia (in context of working with Carver), we can't just judge them yet. They are hated undeservedly.
Allow me to slightly edit what I said: "There is no good justifiable reason why someone would ram a gun into a child's face, unless the child is running at you with a fucking chainsaw with full desire to kill you, your family, and your kitten." As that is clearly not the case with Clementine, Lizzie, or any other sick child with sociopathic tendencies who is not an immediate threat to one's health, my comment still stands. Hitting a child who's trying to kill you (which is just a nightmare inducing thought) is a matter of self-defense. Hitting a child who is not and is, in this case, running away and can easily be restrained, is a matter of being a douchebag.
Also, don't forget that Chuck said this right after he said that, "And seeing another *little girl* go..." Hmm, interesting Chuck. Looks like some people *can* be "little" when it suits you, you old drunk bastard.
I kid (well, a little), but I think it's worth pointing out that that level of pragmatism cannot be taken 100% seriously. It's just silly. It makes sense, sure, but so does killing the weak to ensure the strong survive like Crawford did, and a whole bunch of other horrible shit people have done. That's the problem with cold, emotionless logic without an ounce of sentimentality. It's just as bad as pure emotion with no thought or logic. There's a reason why Walking Dead characters have always tried to find a middle ground between the two. Too far one way, you lose your humanity... too far the other way, you lose your life. Neither is a particularly good thing.
Oh, I'm sure it's largely demographics. But that's kind of the problem right there. It implies that it's not the shaping of the product, it's just our messed up society. Although, there also exist female Nate fans who defend him all the time and... I just don't know. I really don't... lol.
Still, props to you for holding the same view on Troy that you do on Bonnie and Tavia. It's good to see a fair view. :)
Don't get me wrong, I am not a Troy fan, but everyone who says "context isn't important" is just downright wrong. Context ALLWAYS matters. And while I am pretty sure that Troy had little to no reason to be so violent, I will still defend him until we know what his motives were, simply because we can't judge without seeing the full picture.
Again, nothing to suggest that so far. People are way too sensitive about this whole thing. Like it or not, Carver keeps a community safe and fed. Did he do some unethical things in order to do that? Most certainly. But it is the zombie apocalypse, justified or not, right or wrong, it doesn't make a difference right now. And that in my opinion is what TWD is all about.
And Clem being badass or not doesn't change the fact she would've been hurt in some way by another person. And for all we know, whether or not Troy hits Clem could be determined by you.
I know it's a game and all, but I really do want to kill Troy. jussayin. Clem reminds me of me when I was little. That's kinda why.
Secondly, Troy was standing directly beside Clementine when he hit her. There was no reason why he could not have simply grabbed her instead of dealing a potentially fatal hit (and yes, that blow could have easily killed Clem). Deadly force is a last resort for the police. They don't pull it out unless they see no better alternative.
At first I was actually frustated (not at Tavia, I kinda expected her to be there), when I first saw these two scenes - Bonnie coming coming back with an AK and Troy using his AK to strike Clementine down. But, soon afterwards, I calmed down and realized that I can't say anything yet - Bonnie seems a good person, and Troy... is a fucking mute! We didn't even get a glimpse of his personality, but Telltale already makes us hate him. They do have a shock-value fetish.
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"He knows she took no part in the initial escape." You apparently have some insight about Troy's character. You know what he is supposed to know and what he is not. You also know when he joined Carver'S community. Do you work for Telltale?
Police officers are allowed to use force if their opponent is attempting to assault them or anyone else. We do not know what Clem did, so it might have been called for. Also, I don't believe that the blow was deadly. You are giving the human body too little credit. It's not made of glass and doesn't break THAT easily.