Lilly's affection for Clementine.

edited May 2014 in The Walking Dead
Have any of you guys noticed how Lilly cares about Clem? I mean, I know most of the group did care about Clementine, but her affection is a bit deeper. In episode 2, when you about to get out of the barn, to save the others. She tells Lee, that she'll keep Clementine safe. And later that episode, in the tape recorder, you can see her interacting with Clementine. Then in episode 3 when you talk to Lilly, when she talks Lee. She tells him, ''What if Clementine becomes sick''. So which makes her main concern Clementine. And finally, she gives Clem ''hair thingies''. Just thought I could share this with you guys.
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  • Yeah I think Lilly cared for everyone in the group but people just didn't like her.
  • She cared alot about Carley that's for sure!
    Alex452 posted: »

    Yeah I think Lilly cared for everyone in the group but people just didn't like her.

  • I can't say she liked everyone, but I think that she was a nice person and that the Larry thing just affected her.
    Alex452 posted: »

    Yeah I think Lilly cared for everyone in the group but people just didn't like her.

  • Not everything has to be about what she was driven to do.

    She was a nice person before she became mentally unstable.

    She cared alot about Carley that's for sure!

  • Maybe not then but I think she did want to keep everyone safe.

    She cared alot about Carley that's for sure!

  • edited May 2014
    " Not everything has to be about what she was driven to do. "

    She wasn't driven to do anything. She killed her without any evidence, out of anger and crazyness!

    " She was a nice person before she became mentally unstable. "

    Atleast we can agree on that! (And she was never a " nice " person, honestly...in my opinion)
    Flog61 posted: »

    Not everything has to be about what she was driven to do. She was a nice person before she became mentally unstable.

  • She never was like that with Duck. I think she almost sympathetised with her not having her parents around and not knowing where they are.
  • I still think she was a bitch.
  • edited May 2014
    She was driven to her bitchy insanity because she lost the one thing she was staying alive for: her family.

    Kenny also just tried to abandon her to a crowd of walkers by driving away without her in the RV ('Screw her, let her stay'), after she just saved them from the bandits.

    Just like Kenny goes completely silent after losing his family: people react to grief in different, unpredictable ways.

    'she was never a "nice" person, honestly'

    In your opinion.

    " Not everything has to be about what she was driven to do. " She wasn't driven to do anything. She killed her without any evidence, ou

  • You're right all what she want is to keep everyone save and people only hate her cuz of Carley/Dogh when she shoot dogh by a mistake she was right Ben was the cause of that why would he betrayal them just why? They were nice to him he was the cause why they left the motel and Lilly was the last one to leave she was trying to get the motel back,so if you going to her hate that fucker Ben intense...
  • edited May 2014
    I like Lilly yes, she could be harsh but that's part of being a leader

    Both Kenny and Lilly can be harsh and all way's fight for being the leader
  • edited May 2014
    You make some excellent points.
    However one thing I must point out is, if you let her stay after she kills Carly, and even if you agree to go with her, she STILL leaves both you and Clementine behind.

    That to me proves that whatever affection she had for Clementine, when her ass was on the line, she would look after herself and disregard anyone else who depended on her.
    So in short, I'd say her love for Clementine was not genuine.
    If it were, Lilly would not have abandoned her.
    Her actions prove, that she had no real love for Clementine, nor anyone else, as she abandoned everyone else.

    Just like Shane and Carl.
    Shane may have made outward expressions of love and concern for Carl.
    But when Shane attempted to murder Rick, knowing full well what it would do to Carl, that showed that his so-called love for Carl was not genuine.
    It showed that he had no genuine love for anyone.

    If you truly love someone, then you will do what's best for them, and not yourself.
    That's not saying that it's not good to take time for yourself every now and again.
    Periodically taking time for yourself is good, and at times even necessary.
    But when you TRULY care about someone else, you won't make your own concerns your top priority.
    But rather give the person's interests and desires top priority.

    Lilly proved that her love was not sincere, and that it was all superficial.
    Like it or not, that is the truth.
  • There's no doubt she cares about Clementine, but some of your points are biased.

    In the barn, she only vows to look after Clementine if Lee sides with her. In other words, it was for Lee, not Clementine. At that, if you choose to side with Kenny and help kill Larry, she is willing to let Lee die and just watch his face be fried by Andy St John, all while Clementine is watching.

    She says "what if Clementine gets sick?" as leverage to prove her point in the argument. If she were talking to Kenny, she no doubt would have brought up Katjaa and Duck. If she were talking to Carley/Doug, she probably would have brought up Lee, as which ever one Lee saves seems to become closer to Lee than the other members of the group. She probably just did it as leverage.

    I'm not denying she cares about Clementine, just some of your points seem a bit misguided.
  • Good point
    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    You make some excellent points. However one thing I must point out is, if you let her stay after she kills Carly, and even if you agree to

  • edited May 2014
    I agree with you 100% about Lilly using Clementine as leverage to support her arguments.
    And if you listen to the way her and Kenny argue, it makes sense.
    She didn't want to leave the motor inn, and so she brought up lack of food, medicine, anything she could to justify her position.

    I know people like her.
    And it doesn't matter how reasonable you try to be with them, you're always wrong, and they'll bring up whatever they can to make themselves appear to be in the right.
    Or if they just want their way about something, when you try to have a reasonable discussion with them as to why it what they want won't work.
    That includes bringing up old problems and/or disagreements, even if they happened years ago, guilt tripping, or even outright bullying attempts.

    And it's those kinds of people that I strongly recommend to stay the hell away from.
    You'll be much happier if you do.

    There's no doubt she cares about Clementine, but some of your points are biased. In the barn, she only vows to look after Clementine if

  • I have a feeling Lilly and Clem will see each other again.
  • Thank you sir.
    I guess that's always been one of my strengths, and that is having a strong analytical mind.
    Alex452 posted: »

    Good point

  • I hope we do get to see Lilly again but I wouldn't mind too much if she didn't see Clem. Maybe they could do a Lilly dlc or something.
    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    I have a feeling Lilly and Clem will see each other again.

  • What if we see her Tuesday 0_o at that camp. I'm sure Kenny will be happy to see her.
    Alex452 posted: »

    I hope we do get to see Lilly again but I wouldn't mind too much if she didn't see Clem. Maybe they could do a Lilly dlc or something.

  • Haha shit would go down
    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    What if we see her Tuesday 0_o at that camp. I'm sure Kenny will be happy to see her.

  • Guys she cared about clem. But in the end she was just messed up in the head. I mean if you look veeeery closley in ep 3 you can see how she shoots carley in the head. But u have to focus
  • She was nice, then she lost it after Kenny salt-licked her father.
  • I'm hoping for a reunion :D
    Alex452 posted: »

    Haha shit would go down

  • Well yeah she got PTSD because of Kenny.

    She was nice, then she lost it after Kenny salt-licked her father.

  • I necessarily wouldn't say Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, but that event did affect strongly.
    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Well yeah she got PTSD because of Kenny.

  • PTSD?
    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Well yeah she got PTSD because of Kenny.

  • Post Traumatic stress disorder. It is just a arm chair diagnosis, but she did have a few of the symptoms.

    Nightmares
    No sleep
    Irritable
    Xemnes posted: »

    PTSD?

  • edited May 2014
    I don't think it's exactly fair to lay all the blame on Ben.
    Think about this.

    Ben was young and didn't have the benefit of having lived as long as Lee, Kenny or Lilly
    So he's bound to make some naive mistakes.

    Also, no one ever seemed to show confidence in him.
    That kind of treatment does nothing for a persons self-esteem or confidence.
    And it's been proven that if you treat someone like they are stupid or incompetent, they'll eventually believe it to be true.
    And it's also been proven true that how a person thinks of themself, or how they've been taught to think about themself, is how they will act.

    That's why, as Lee, I tried to show confidence in Ben, and I was good to him.
    The way I saw it, he was a good kid that no one ever gave a chance to.
    So I tried to give him every chance possible, even standing up for him when doing so put me at odds with everyone else.
    Jodie posted: »

    You're right all what she want is to keep everyone save and people only hate her cuz of Carley/Dogh when she shoot dogh by a mistake she was

  • edited May 2014
    Kenny probably has the same thing, after losing both his wife and child in one day.
    And does that make him a bad guy?
    No, it takes a lot more than just a medical condition to make someone good or bad.

    Case and point.
    I know a guy who served in Vietnam, back in 1970, one the most violent periods of the war.
    As a result, he has ptsd.
    But in spite of his condition he is a good and decent man.
    He raised a wonderful daughter, he's a good husband, and a good friend.
    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Post Traumatic stress disorder. It is just a arm chair diagnosis, but she did have a few of the symptoms. Nightmares No sleep Irritable

  • Kenny probably has PTSD now, after losing Duck and Katja.

    I like Kenny, i just don't agree with the choices he made. If i didn't like him i wouldn't of killed his son for him.
    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    Kenny probably has the same thing, after losing both his wife and child in one day. And does that make him a bad guy? No, it takes a lot

  • Really? 18 are kids I felt so bad for him when he was trying to help the group and he screw everything he touch but seriously carley/dogh Kat and duck even Clem was going to die when she was surrounded by a walkers and he just left her....has he made any useful choice or help someone?clem was a 9 years old which is half his age and she was so helpful,give me a reason to like this character
    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    I don't think it's exactly fair to lay all the blame on Ben. Think about this. Ben was young and didn't have the benefit of having li

  • edited May 2014
    Really? 18 are kids I felt so bad for him when he was trying to help the group and he screw everything he touches but seriously carley/dogh Kat and duck even Clem was going to die when she was surrounded by a walkers and he just left her....has he made any useful choice or help someone?clem was a 9 years old which is half his age and she was so helpful,give me a reason to like this character
    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    I don't think it's exactly fair to lay all the blame on Ben. Think about this. Ben was young and didn't have the benefit of having li

  • I liked lilly, she just snapped during episode 3. And did anyone see how lily looked at clem before lee brought ben into the motor inn?
  • edited May 2014
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    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    Kenny probably has the same thing, after losing both his wife and child in one day. And does that make him a bad guy? No, it takes a lot

  • edited May 2014
    Interesting you bring up Kenny when you have to keep in mind his situation was completely different from Lilly's. In her case, someone she loved was (from her POV) murdered by people in her own group whom she trusted. There was no surprise that she became a paranoid, unstable wreck after something like that.

    Meanwhile, Kenny basically had no one to blame for his loved ones' deaths besides himself. He failed to look out for Katjaa and Duck when they needed him, so of course he would instead react with guilt and depression (as well as try to push the blame onto other people, like Ben).

    I don't think it's really fair to say Lilly reacting to Larry's death more badly than Kenny did with his family is any indication of whether or not Lilly is a bad person, since that argument requires basically removing all context from their situations besides "their families died".
    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    Kenny probably has the same thing, after losing both his wife and child in one day. And does that make him a bad guy? No, it takes a lot

  • Yeah, I always saw Lilly as a caring person who just happened to be abrasive. When she mentioned Clementine to Lee, I think that was just being smart. She came up with an example that would heavily affect Lee.
  • I find it pretty funny that all those traits perfectly describe both Lilly and Kenny :D
    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    I agree with you 100% about Lilly using Clementine as leverage to support her arguments. And if you listen to the way her and Kenny argue,

  • I never really considered Lilly a "nice" person before what happened with he father. I didn't really think that she cared about Clem, either. But she certainly wasn't a bad person when you met her in Episode 1. It can be argued that she became one after what she did to Carley/Doug, but even then I don't consider her to be beyond redemption. She had a horrible thing happen to her, and while she ended up doing something that I consider even worse than that, it was all the grief and loss she had experienced that took her that far in the first place.
  • I do think that the only reason she didn't kill Lee when she was going to escape with the RV if you sided with Kenny was because she cared about Clem
  • yeah like her father that left lee to die in that drug store that motherfucker i hated him and his crazy ass daughter kenny was a real bro i always sided with him against lilly and larry ok lee might have been a convicted killer but in a zombie invasion that does not really matter anymore like chuck said your just alive not a smart man or strong or this and that.... your just alive
    Rock114 posted: »

    I never really considered Lilly a "nice" person before what happened with he father. I didn't really think that she cared about Clem, either

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