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Anyone else kind of...umm...worried about the fact that...

SergeantSnookieSergeantSnookie
edited May 2014 in The Walking Dead
Clementine hardly even WINCED when Kenny was bashing Carver's skull into paste? I mean...sure, the kid's seen a lot. But...that takes a certain level of ice cold to not even react. Bad guy or not.

Jesus. Goes to show how she's changed I guess.
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  • Green613Green613
    he hit clem maybe 2 times depending on your choices i think she was thinking the same thing most people were that he deserved that and didn't deserve to live
  • SergeantSnookieSergeantSnookie
    Deserved to live or not...fuck, bro. I don't even have words to procure right now.

    I just completed it, if you hadn't noticed. :/
    Green613 posted: »

    he hit clem maybe 2 times depending on your choices i think she was thinking the same thing most people were that he deserved that and didn't deserve to live

  • ShadowHunter94ShadowHunter94
    Carver had beaten Carlos, killed Walter, killed Alvin, smacked Clem in the face, ordered Carlos to hit Sarah, pushed Reggie off the roof, and beat Kenny nearly to death and causing him to go blind in one eye. If I were Clem I probably wouldn't flinch either, and like you said she's already seen a lot so I am not too worried
  • Green613Green613
    oh yeah thats a tough time right after you complete it, but i think clem needed to watch it and can't be hid from what needs to happen
    SergeantSnookie posted: »

    Deserved to live or not...fuck, bro. I don't even have words to procure right now. I just completed it, if you hadn't noticed. :/

  • JonGonJonGon
    It's hard to think about it. But she saw the one person she cared about die in front of her, seeing a worthless piece of shit get his head smashed in should be a little easier.
  • TheseTearsAreRealTheseTearsAreReal
    She actually had a hard time with it in my play through, and then something just clicked and she didn't care anymore.
  • Rock114Rock114
    I walked out, and I'm glad. Kenny quite literally bashed his skull in. You can even see the front of the skull occupying the area where his brain used to be once Kenny finishes. Carver had it coming though, no contest.
  • WuvvumsWuvvums
    There's nothing wrong with a little catharsis.
  • DinosaurBillDinosaurBill
    Carver was right. She's seen a lot worse.
  • NoncyFlippledorpNoncyFlippledorp
    I walked out. I just felt if I watched I would be no better than Carver.
  • Conduit42Conduit42
    Not entirely true... she did turn her head and close her eyes after the second hit, then she just stared at it like it wasn't even important anymore.

    I might have done a bad thing tonight...
  • Fallen_Angel41Fallen_Angel41
    I liked how calm she was. It just helped to cement the fact that she and Carver were, in many ways, the same.
  • SergeantSnookieSergeantSnookie
    edited May 2014
    Which is exactly what worries me now.

    ...was he right, deep down? Despite what you say to him in that scene? :O
    Fallen_Angel41 posted: »

    I liked how calm she was. It just helped to cement the fact that she and Carver were, in many ways, the same.

  • themadeiramagicianthemadeiramagician
    whho cares

    id lovwe watching that mothefucker be bashed senseless
    prick
  • TWDFan86TWDFan86
    I walked out. But, this scares me.
    SergeantSnookie posted: »

    Which is exactly what worries me now. ...was he right, deep down? Despite what you say to him in that scene? :O

  • K0t0K0t0 Banned
    Err what? She definately winced in my game, more than once.
  • Angelic56Angelic56
    edited May 2014
    She definitely winced in my game. It'd be interesting if she did or didn't depending on your choices though.
  • WhatTheDuckWhatTheDuck
    On mine she winced...
  • SergeantSnookieSergeantSnookie
    Yeeaaah. I just went back, and realized she kind of does.

    I was in a bit of a state when I posted this. :S
    K0t0 posted: »

    Err what? She definately winced in my game, more than once.

  • WuvvumsWuvvums
    If by straight up killing made them symbolically the same, I guess. But Carver made a point to kill the *weak* and he wasn't exactly a weak guy to kill off. I dunno, Clementine seems more like a defender of the weak than anything else.
    Fallen_Angel41 posted: »

    I liked how calm she was. It just helped to cement the fact that she and Carver were, in many ways, the same.

  • HuckleberryHuckleberry
    In my playthrough, Clem almost smiles when Kenny beats his skull in--which REALLY gave me the willies. Up until now, I've been trying to play Clem as guarded, but always willing to give most people the benefit of the doubt (which is how I played Lee). But watching her almost grin when Carver was being murdered, I panicked and wondered if I had made some weird mistakes somewhere. She almost seemed sociopathic in that moment.

    I almost want to rewind the episode so Clem doesn't stay and watch... it's bothering me that much. The only reason I had her stay in the first place was because I wanted to see if I could stop Kenny from going too far. I didn't realize that choosing the option would basically just be to revel in the murder.

    ... Yeah, I'm going to rewind the episode. It's something I almost never do, but it's really bothering me that she seemed to enjoy watching someone be gruesomely murdered. Lee taught her better.
  • SergeantSnookieSergeantSnookie
    I feel you, mate. I'm having the same conflicted feelings about rewinding right now. :S
    Huckleberry posted: »

    In my playthrough, Clem almost smiles when Kenny beats his skull in--which REALLY gave me the willies. Up until now, I've been trying to pla

  • DingoEnderZOE2DingoEnderZOE2
    She didn't seem to enjoy it in my gameplay mate, she just coldly watched with a straight face but she winced during the second hit but then focused completely on the act itself afterwards. There were no smiles in my game, perhaps the shock of the sight itself caused you to see things.
  • IndigoHawkIndigoHawk
    Clem didn't enjoy it. She winced, but she also witnessed Kenny's justice. I was disappointed the rest of the group left. In TWD, you have to make the hard choices, like killing the St Johns or Carver to stop them from hurting other people. Clem is learning to make those choices, to have ice in her veins when she needs it, and to have compassion when she needs it, too.

    Being strong doesn't make Clem like Carver, regardless of what he says. He's delusional and evil, unlike Clem. Carver was right that both he and Clem can take action. However, that's something Lee taught her, not Carver. Clem can cut someone's arm off to try to save their life, show mercy by shooting someone before they turn into a zombie, and kill a murderer and slaver like Carver to protect other people. Lee taught her to fight for humanity and dignity, not turn away and hope someone else does it or ignore the horrible things that happen by refusing to act (like letting Lee turn into a zombie if she wouldn't mercy kill him). Carver wouldn't understand that at all.
  • Mr. MasamuneMr. Masamune
    She winces plenty. Unless there are two versions of the same scene.

    (h)ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_Y0CzPqbhg
  • HuckleberryHuckleberry
    http://youtu.be/HLvfC3e2-wk?t=3m50s

    I definitely wouldn't say that she actually grins or anything, but it freaks me out how coldly sort of satisfied she looks after the beating.
    DingoEnderZOE2 posted: »

    She didn't seem to enjoy it in my gameplay mate, she just coldly watched with a straight face but she winced during the second hit but then

  • Mr. MasamuneMr. Masamune
    Agreed.

    I really hope the writers don't interpret the decision to stay as being necessarily a bloodthirsty or sadistic one for future episodes. As I said in some other thread, I had Clem stay because I want her to be strong enough to look ugly things in the face. There is nothing strong or respectable about knowing something ugly is happening, especially something ugly that nevertheless has to be done, and leaving it to others so you can pretend like it isn't. If Kenny is going to kill Carver, then whether Clem approves or not, she needs to be strong enough to see it and not turn away.
    IndigoHawk posted: »

    Clem didn't enjoy it. She winced, but she also witnessed Kenny's justice. I was disappointed the rest of the group left. In TWD, you have to

  • JohnB2014JohnB2014 Banned
    I hope Sarah is next. Sick of her whiny hipster face. Now that her father is dead, the group should abuse her in every way possible until she begs to be killed (e.g. pour pretend Starbucks coffee in her face, make green smoothies out of disgusting ingredients like diarrhea and make her drink it and tell her how cool it is because it isn't a mainstream one made with kale). She will be denied mercy and will attempt to escape. Then they can do the same thing that they did to Carver to her. Maybe she will stop hipster whining then.
  • DingoEnderZOE2DingoEnderZOE2
    My my are you Carvers stepchild?? lol.
    JohnB2014 posted: »

    I hope Sarah is next. Sick of her whiny hipster face. Now that her father is dead, the group should abuse her in every way possible until sh

  • JohnB2014JohnB2014 Banned
    It is because of Sarah's constant whining that people die. She is responsible for the death of her own father.
    DingoEnderZOE2 posted: »

    My my are you Carvers stepchild?? lol.

  • flamingo_jack12flamingo_jack12
    edited May 2014
    Now all you weirdos who coddle Clem can stop it. This episode showed you just how fucked things are and how Clem has to become damn near merciless to survive in that world. I like SE1 Clem too but with all the events that went down in SE2 that Clem is long gone. There are no little girls in the zombie apocalypse, only the strong will survive and the weak will perish. The game's gonna force you to either make Clem like Lee (or at least the good version of him); strong, vigilante, able to work well with others, a leader that will unite the current group of survivors and make them stronger and self sufficient. OR she can become kinda like a Carver/Jane fusion; cold, distant, manipulative, selfish, pretty much a lowdown dirty cut throat. Our decisions in these final two episodes are key to how clem will turn out or maybe I'm over-thinking this and she'll be pretty much the same, maybe just a little more aggressive if you make colder decisions. Who knows, guess we'll have to wait and see.
  • HerosWIllHerosWIll
    It's not really her fault....Carlos was the one that kept her away from what's going on in the world so it must be hard for her. Plus I think she's cool character,I look after her in my story.
    JohnB2014 posted: »

    I hope Sarah is next. Sick of her whiny hipster face. Now that her father is dead, the group should abuse her in every way possible until sh

  • Cman44Cman44
    Yes, it would be a horrible thing to watch. And she does almost look away a couple times.

    But in my opinion, this was something Clem needed to watch. It gives her closure that this wicked man was put down, but beyond that, Clem cannot be sheltered from the things that NEED to be done anymore. She realized that this needed to be done, and stayed all the way through to make sure it was completed. There is no room for feelings in a situation like that. You have to shut down internally and focus on the task at hand.

    Sounds brutal, but it's true.
  • Cman44Cman44
    Honestly, he was right TO AN EXTENT.

    Clem is strong. Clem has done what she needs to do to survive. She is willing to go to great lengths to ensure that she survives.

    BUT

    Carver took this mentality to an extreme. He left no room for compassion or loyalty. Only strength and weakness.

    Clem is very loyal to her friends and the people around her. She stands up for the weak. Carver just killed them off.

    But to answer your question, yes he is KIND OF correct. They share the trait of strong personalities.
    SergeantSnookie posted: »

    Which is exactly what worries me now. ...was he right, deep down? Despite what you say to him in that scene? :O

  • Cman44Cman44
    It was pretty brutal. Not gonna lie.
    TWDFan86 posted: »

    I walked out. But, this scares me.

  • jamex1223jamex1223
    but then again... she is already used to Kenny splitting heads. Salt licking larry and shit
    Mr. Masamune posted: »

    Agreed. I really hope the writers don't interpret the decision to stay as being necessarily a bloodthirsty or sadistic one for future

  • jamex1223jamex1223
    "You ain't little, you ain't a girl, you ain't a boy, you ain't strong or smart, you're alive." pretty much sums it up. do I miss that clem from season 1?? yes, but that clem will never exist anymore. that innocent girl died with lee. from that moment on, no matter who takes care of her, she will have to do stuff that kids in real life should never do.
  • GabedawgGabedawg
    Yeah I'm sure Sarah's a hipster. I bet she doesn't need those glasses to see or anything.
    JohnB2014 posted: »

    I hope Sarah is next. Sick of her whiny hipster face. Now that her father is dead, the group should abuse her in every way possible until sh

  • TenmileTenmile
    Her dad got shot in the neck. It could've been any of them, but Carlos just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Even if you were to say, "it's Sarah's fault for getting scared and making them slow down," if they had kept moving, Clementine would of been in the shooting range and would've been shot instead.
    JohnB2014 posted: »

    It is because of Sarah's constant whining that people die. She is responsible for the death of her own father.

  • ViTALiTYViTALiTY
    Probably Clem in my playthrough wanted to kill Carver, but Kenny got him first :ss
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