Tavia

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• K0t0 Banned

  May 2014

  So I get the vibe from this forum that the majority of you flatout failed to pick up the pure resentment Tavia had for carver? Sorry that your main fanbase fail at picking up subtlety TTG, hope that doesnt stop you from doing it though.
• Mr. Masamune

  May 2014

  If you have a contrary view, by all means make it known and present what you're basing it on. If you just want to be a dick, then there are plenty of other places to be a dick. Dick.

  K0t0 posted: »

  So I get the vibe from this forum that the majority of you flatout failed to pick up the pure resentment Tavia had for carver? Sorry that your main fanbase fail at picking up subtlety TTG, hope that doesnt stop you from doing it though.
• Harry Callahan

  May 2014

  One thing that wasn't established very well was how satisfied the indoors group was with Carver's leadership. We didn't interact with them much, except for Bonnie, but given how capriciously violent Carver was I'd feel a lot safer with him gone. On the other hand, they didn't seem aware of everything that was going on (see Tavia and Vince--don't know if this still happens without Vince--talking about whether Reggie will be let back in, clearly not knowing that Carver killed him).
• Night_Owl

  May 2014

  I get the opposite impression based on the conversation she has with the guy over the walkie-talkie and what she said when she picked up Alvin. Frankly, after this episode's mess I'd like to think she'd have the sense to let that group be and focus on securing what they currently have.
• Mr. Masamune

  May 2014

  She won't leave well enough alone, if for no other reason than for the sake of the plot. If she did and Carver's community just lets bygones be bygones under her leadership, it would mean we'd never see any of the 400 days characters again and we would suddenly be bereft of the entire antagonistic threat that was built up over the first three episodes, to be replaced by something out of the blue.
  
  Even if she DID dislike Carver, she'll be coming after Clem and her group for other reasons. Bet on it.

  Night_Owl posted: »

  I get the opposite impression based on the conversation she has with the guy over the walkie-talkie and what she said when she picked up Alv… morein. Frankly, after this episode's mess I'd like to think she'd have the sense to let that group be and focus on securing what they currently have.
• Night_Owl

  May 2014 edited May 2014

  I don't know. The only character from Days we have any real reason to think will be plot relevant is Bonnie and she's with our group. I can see a half-hearted chase attempt (to appease those who never got to see the real Carver) for about a quarter of the next episode but I don't expect a significant plot for her. And there are other characters from Days who'd be easier to implement into the story because they're not dependent on player choices (Eddie and Nate).

  Mr. Masamune posted: »

  She won't leave well enough alone, if for no other reason than for the sake of the plot. If she did and Carver's community just lets bygones… more be bygones under her leadership, it would mean we'd never see any of the 400 days characters again and we would suddenly be bereft of the entire antagonistic threat that was built up over the first three episodes, to be replaced by something out of the blue. Even if she DID dislike Carver, she'll be coming after Clem and her group for other reasons. Bet on it.
• Harry Callahan

  May 2014

  I don't know that the season needs a singular antagonistic threat; the first one didn't have one. S1E4 and 5 were in a new locale with new threats and an antagonist that only showed up at the very end of episode 3. If anything, I'd expect Carver's presence to be felt in the last two episodes in the form of his "we're not so different, you and I" speeches; Clem could be placed in a position where she may have to do something brutal and ruthless for the sake of the group's survival.

  Mr. Masamune posted: »

  She won't leave well enough alone, if for no other reason than for the sake of the plot. If she did and Carver's community just lets bygones… more be bygones under her leadership, it would mean we'd never see any of the 400 days characters again and we would suddenly be bereft of the entire antagonistic threat that was built up over the first three episodes, to be replaced by something out of the blue. Even if she DID dislike Carver, she'll be coming after Clem and her group for other reasons. Bet on it.
• Mr. Masamune

  May 2014

  I'm pretty sure that if the sum total of the main 400 days characters involvement in the plot is to say two lines and then vanish forever, the fandom won't be happy, to put it mildly. After all the hype and buildup and hints that the choices in that DLC would affect the story in Season 2, it would be just too insulting, a complete waste of the characters in question and a gesture of contempt to those who bought the DLC thinking it actually had some important choices. I think it would actually make me second-guess buying anymore Telltale games.
  
  Moreover, Season 1 was considerably more episodic than Season 2. There were a few plot threads running throughout, such as the fate of Clem's parents, but for the most part the characters were just trying to survive, with any antagonists coming and going quite quickly. The longest running antagonist, the Stranger, was the one to close the season and prior to the final episode wasn't particularly important to the plot.
  
  By contrast, Season 2 has built-up the threat of Carver and his community from Episode 1. It might even be called the central thread of the whole season. To just kill Carter, forget about his community and more or less pretend it never happened in favor of whatever new random threat they want to throw at us would be sloppy storytelling.
  
  We're 2 episodes before the end. It isn't the time to start creating new threats for the group from whole cloth when they already have a perfectly valid one right behind them. Remember, Tavia and her people have every reason to be vengeful after Clem's group set a herd of walkers on them. Even if she doesn't give a damn about Carver, how many men do you think Tavia and company lost in that attack? How much work was undone so Clem and company could get away while her people were fighting and dying?

  Night_Owl posted: »

  I don't know. The only character from Days we have any real reason to think will be plot relevant is Bonnie and she's with our group. I can … moresee a half-hearted chase attempt (to appease those who never got to see the real Carver) for about a quarter of the next episode but I don't expect a significant plot for her. And there are other characters from Days who'd be easier to implement into the story because they're not dependent on player choices (Eddie and Nate).
• Tyranitar

  May 2014

  Gtfo

  K0t0 posted: »

  So I get the vibe from this forum that the majority of you flatout failed to pick up the pure resentment Tavia had for carver? Sorry that your main fanbase fail at picking up subtlety TTG, hope that doesnt stop you from doing it though.
• Mr. Masamune

  May 2014

  The first season didn't have a singular antagonistic threat, but this season clearly does. As I said above, season 2 seems considerably less episodic. Its telling a singular story over five episodes, not a bunch of individual stories largely contained to their own episodes. To change that now would be like...I dunno. Killing Darth Vader in The Empire Strikes Back and having Return of the Jedi be about something entirely different than the Rebel Alliance vs. the Empire?

  Harry Callahan posted: »

  I don't know that the season needs a singular antagonistic threat; the first one didn't have one. S1E4 and 5 were in a new locale with new … morethreats and an antagonist that only showed up at the very end of episode 3. If anything, I'd expect Carver's presence to be felt in the last two episodes in the form of his "we're not so different, you and I" speeches; Clem could be placed in a position where she may have to do something brutal and ruthless for the sake of the group's survival.
• CathalOHara Moderator

  May 2014

  Yeah, I thought she will take his place too. I noticed a long haired woman was being obscured quite often in this episode. Plus I don't want to believe all the 400 Days protagonists other than Bonnie will have as tiny roles as they had in this episode. I wish I could have had at least one dialogue choice with them.
• Night_Owl

  May 2014 edited May 2014

  The only thing that was built up was Carver; his community wasn't even touched on til this episode. We know nothing of what the general community thinks save what Carver says as their mouthpiece to the player. That's it. It's clear that what happened at Carver's community will effect things going forward so it's hardly starting from scratch if they don't touch on it again. It was never the central thread to begin with. That's Clementine's growth.
  
  Look, I get that people want to see the 400 Days cast be more involved with the plot (I do too) but we may just have to settle for whomever TT deems appropriate to that purpose. I would like to see more of Tavia but I'm not going to exaggerate her importance without due cause.
  
  Edit: And I must be one of the few people who wasn't sure that Carver would be around all season. The thing about using big names for VO sometimes is that they're busy and/or expensive and that can effect how long a character hangs around.

  Mr. Masamune posted: »

  I'm pretty sure that if the sum total of the main 400 days characters involvement in the plot is to say two lines and then vanish forever, t… morehe fandom won't be happy, to put it mildly. After all the hype and buildup and hints that the choices in that DLC would affect the story in Season 2, it would be just too insulting, a complete waste of the characters in question and a gesture of contempt to those who bought the DLC thinking it actually had some important choices. I think it would actually make me second-guess buying anymore Telltale games. Moreover, Season 1 was considerably more episodic than Season 2. There were a few plot threads running throughout, such as the fate of Clem's parents, but for the most part the characters were just trying to survive, with any antagonists coming and going quite quickly. The longest running antagonist, the Stranger, was the one to close the season and prior to the final episode wasn't particularly i… [view original content]
• Mr. Masamune

  May 2014

  Having an entire DLC dedicated to these characters being recruited or not by Tavia isn't reason to suspect importance?
  
  Well, we'll see, but frankly if that is the sum total of what Telltale's writers can think to do with that whole plot thread before moving on to what they think to be greener pastures, its pretty pathetic.

  Night_Owl posted: »

  The only thing that was built up was Carver; his community wasn't even touched on til this episode. We know nothing of what the general comm… moreunity thinks save what Carver says as their mouthpiece to the player. That's it. It's clear that what happened at Carver's community will effect things going forward so it's hardly starting from scratch if they don't touch on it again. It was never the central thread to begin with. That's Clementine's growth. Look, I get that people want to see the 400 Days cast be more involved with the plot (I do too) but we may just have to settle for whomever TT deems appropriate to that purpose. I would like to see more of Tavia but I'm not going to exaggerate her importance without due cause. Edit: And I must be one of the few people who wasn't sure that Carver would be around all season. The thing about using big names for VO sometimes is that they're busy and/or expensive and that can effect how long a character hangs around.