This Needs to be Said (About Luke)

edited May 2014 in The Walking Dead
In my opinion, Luke is completely and utterly useless. I honestly don't understand why so many people are crazy about him. Over three episodes now, he has done literally nothing to help anyone. I think there is still hope for his character, but so far he hasn't really shown anything. No way on earth is he a guardian figure to Clem, and he is certainly not replacing Lee.
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  • Your opinion. Others think different. I like Luke.
  • hes going to die anyways
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    I personally believe he is bit. He acts like it and shot down Clem when she asked if he was alright. He is hiding his sickness.
    Sandman77 posted: »

    hes going to die anyways

  • edited May 2014
    Want to elaborate on that?

    I don't necessarily dislike Luke, I just don't understand why so many people are in love with his character.
    cameroncr95 posted: »

    Your opinion. Others think different. I like Luke.

  • Thanks for the insight.

    k

  • Do bitten people survive a whole day without amputation? He looks like he has survived for even longer than any bite victim did prior.

    Either he is incredibly healthy, incredibly lucky, or not bitten, just very exhausted.
    cameroncr95 posted: »

    I personally believe he is bit. He acts like it and shot down Clem when she asked if he was alright. He is hiding his sickness.

  • Don't mention it.
    Belan posted: »

    Thanks for the insight.

  • I'm just saying that humans have different opinions than other opinions. I personally like his character. If you don't, its your opinion. I stick to mine, you stick to yours.
    Belan posted: »

    Want to elaborate on that? I don't necessarily dislike Luke, I just don't understand why so many people are in love with his character.

  • Well Duck was bitten and he survived almost one day and he was a little kid, but I think Luke was not bitten.
    Lingvort posted: »

    Do bitten people survive a whole day without amputation? He looks like he has survived for even longer than any bite victim did prior. Either he is incredibly healthy, incredibly lucky, or not bitten, just very exhausted.

  • edited May 2014
    I agree. He was just angry... so he got caught. Try to compare it with what Lee did back in Savannah. I believe he is doing his best but calling him a replacemant for Lee is wrong. In fact TTG are killing off any characters that could be guardian figures to Clem: Christa, Pete, Alvin... fortunately there is still Kenny and these new characters.
  • ALMOST one day. Luke found Clem at afternoon, then we met him again next afternoon, and afterwards he survives till evening, still somewhat in shape. I did think he looked like he was bitten, but now I doubt it.
    True_Scum posted: »

    Well Duck was bitten and he survived almost one day and he was a little kid, but I think Luke was not bitten.

  • edited May 2014
    That's not what I meant lol. I know this is all opinion, I explicitly stated that at the beginning of my original post.

    I was looking for why you feel differently. And once again, I'm not saying that I dislike Luke. I just don't understand why he is so loved.
    cameroncr95 posted: »

    I'm just saying that humans have different opinions than other opinions. I personally like his character. If you don't, its your opinion. I stick to mine, you stick to yours.

  • edited May 2014
    Are you serious? Calling Luke useless?
  • Out of everyone, I think Kenny is really the only one suitable to take care of her. That being said, I don't think Clem needs another guardian figure at this point.
    GF1115 posted: »

    I agree. He was just angry... so he got caught. Try to compare it with what Lee did back in Savannah. I believe he is doing his best but cal

  • edited May 2014
    Clem don't need a guardian . Lee died for her to be independant and she needs people to trust now.
  • edited May 2014
    Yes.

    I'm not trying to be offensive to what anyone else thinks of him, but the guy has seriously done nothing for the entirety of the season so far.. other than him showing us that he can not protect Clem, or really anyone else for that matter. He means well, but nothing he does ever works out.

    Are you serious? Calling Luke useless?

  • He's trying, that counts for something, right?
  • edited May 2014
    I love how so many people are willing to dish out down votes, but not actually add anything to the discussion. Come on guys. If so many people disagree with my opinion, why is practically no one explaining their thoughts?
  • Definitely, which is why I still like his character. I just don't understand why people act as if he is a capable guardian/protector to Clem.
    Hatley posted: »

    He's trying, that counts for something, right?

  • edited May 2014
    Here's a list of what Luke has done.

    1. He successfully leads the group out of Carver's camp. Without him, the cabin group would've never gotten away in the first place.

    2. Luke saves Clem's life in the forest. If it wasn't for him and Pete, then Clementine would've been eaten alive.

    3. Defended her from the group and apologized when he failed because he was outnumbered, but the group was talking about killing Clem while he convinced them not to.

    4. Convinced the group to let Clementine out of the shed. Remember when Luke opened the shed after the walker attacked? Well if you listened to the kitchen conversation, he was arguing that they let Clem go and apologize for being assholes.

    5. Made Nick apologize for almost shooting Clem and and being "aggro."

    6. Fed her and took the time to listen to her story and sympathize with her. I believe it was best for Clem to talk about her trauma rather than repress it.

    7. Went out to look for Clem when she went missing. Remember when Rebecca said that she tried to convince Luke to not go look for her, but he couldn't leave her out there.

    8. Saves Nick when he's in the shed by clearing the area of walkers and helping him. Nobody in the group cared if they left Nick behind, but Luke went back for him.

    9. He's giving Clem first hand experience by giving her tasks while still being there for support. For example, when he told Clem to climb the tower so she can see if anyone was following them. He said he would catch her if she fell and tried to get her mind off of the fear of falling by telling something about himself. Remember when Clem almost fell? He was worried about Clem and was ready to catch her. Kind of like when a kid first starts riding a bike and a parent is right behind them so they can catch them if they just so happen to fall.

    10. After the group was taken, Luke follows a moving vehicle for an entire 24 hours ON FOOT. Luke goes without food, water or sleep for days just to save the group. Luke getting caught was what ultimately convinces Bonnie to spring them out of Carver's camp.

    11. After Kenny punches Carver, Luke disarms him just in time. I'm willing to bet if Luke wasn't there to disarm him right after Kenny's punch, Carver would've just turn back round and shot Kenny.
    Belan posted: »

    Yes. I'm not trying to be offensive to what anyone else thinks of him, but the guy has seriously done nothing for the entirety of the

  • I don't know who said that Luke is replacing Lee. I'm a big fan of Luke and yet I don't think that'll happen. He's a brother sort of figure to Clem, not a father-figure.
  • edited May 2014
    1. That's in the past, I'm talking about what we have actually seen him do in this season so far.

    2. I forgot about that for some reason.

    3. It doesn't really matter, he still tossed her in the shed and didn't even try to sneak her some help later on.

    4. After Clem nearly gets killed by a walker. Too little too late.

    5. He doesn't make Nick apologize, Nick does that on his own. Even if he did tell Nick to apologize.. does that really have anything to do with his usefulness? That would be more along the lines of him being a nice guy.

    6. Again, this is just him being a nice guy. Doesn't really show anything about his overall usefulness.

    7. But he doesn't find her, or help the situation in any sort of way. The guy if full of good intentions, but it never really results in him having success.

    8. I highly doubt the group would have just abandoned Nick. Anyway, I guess he does clear the shed of walkers.. though there were only two of them and one of them was on the ground not even moving. I guess it counts as something, but it really isn't impressive or anything.

    9. Just him being a nice guy, not actually being useful. If he wanted to be useful, he should have just climbed the ladder himself.

    10. Getting into the camp was fairly impressive, but it didn't even matter because he got himself caught, which resulted in Kenny almost getting beaten to death. He didn't help the situation, he only made it worse.

    11. Well geez, I would hope he would SOMETHING there. I mean, Clem already shot the guy (or jumped on him) and Kenny socked him in the face causing him to practically fall right into Luke's arms.

    Other than him and Pete saving Clem back in E1, Luke hasn't done anything of significance to prove his usefulness. He has largely messed up more than anything else.

    Here's a list of what Luke has done. 1. He successfully leads the group out of Carver's camp. Without him, the cabin group would've nev

  • Odd. I feel like I see people saying thing along those lines a lot when talking about Luke. I could be mistaken, but I doubt it considering how many dislikes my opinion seems to be generating ;)
    _Juice_Box_ posted: »

    I don't know who said that Luke is replacing Lee. I'm a big fan of Luke and yet I don't think that'll happen. He's a brother sort of figure to Clem, not a father-figure.

  • edited May 2014
    I think it might be the case that you just don't like him that much because Kenny doesn't like him that much, and you view him as a challenge to your perceived 'Kenny guardian' status that you have added into the game.

    Just a wild theory, but you do go on about how Kenny is unarguably the best human being to ever grace the screen of the Walking Dead game, so it seems like a possibility.
  • edited May 2014
    Not sure why people keep putting words in my mouth. I don't dislike Luke. I simply don't understand why so many people are so crazy about him/ act like he is some great protector of Clementine and the rest of the group.

    I have never acted like "Kenny is unarguably the best human being to ever grace the screen of the Walking Dead game". I have also never said that Kenny has guardian status over Clem. If you read through the thread, I stated the exact opposite. I don't think Clem has a guardian figure at all. I don't think she will have one ever again.

    As an aside, Luke presents pretty much zero challenge to Kenny ;)
    Flog61 posted: »

    I think it might be the case that you just don't like him that much because Kenny doesn't like him that much, and you view him as a challen

  • Yeah, I don't really get the amount of fanfare either. I like Luke a lot, but he's no Lee. He hasn't really done anything THAT great yet. He's a decent guy, but he hasn't proven himself as a hero-type, like Lee. He has this hero status on the forum that I can't really relate to. Who knows though? Maybe he'll end up doing something really heroic before the season's end. I was expecting more from him in Episode 3. I was so excited when he showed up, but it was really disappointing to know he got caught taking food. It's a bit anti-climactic. I think the fact that he's a young, good-looking man, who was nice to Clem when everyone else (minus Pete, Sarah) wasn't makes people really like him. That's totally fine, I like him too, but I'm still waiting for him to do something to prove his leadership abilities. Lee did a lot to prove himself to the group. Lee earned his position of leader by doing a lot of brave/heroic things. Luke is younger than Lee, so he has time to prove himself, as long as he doesn't get bit or killed.
    Belan posted: »

    That's not what I meant lol. I know this is all opinion, I explicitly stated that at the beginning of my original post. I was looking f

  • I mean they probably do exist but I haven't met many of em'.
    Belan posted: »

    Odd. I feel like I see people saying thing along those lines a lot when talking about Luke. I could be mistaken, but I doubt it considering how many dislikes my opinion seems to be generating ;)

  • I thought so at first too, but the amount of time that's past has been too much. If he were bitten, he would have turned by now, or at least be considerably weakened. I think he was probably exhausted/hungry/dehydrated/etc.
    cameroncr95 posted: »

    I personally believe he is bit. He acts like it and shot down Clem when she asked if he was alright. He is hiding his sickness.

  • Exactly. Glad someone sees it the same way that I do.

    Yeah, I don't really get the amount of fanfare either. I like Luke a lot, but he's no Lee. He hasn't really done anything THAT great yet. He

  • I'm not thinking that he can (or needs to) completely replace Lee, but I definetly wouldn't call him useless.
    He survived a whole day in the wild(wild animals, walkers) while finding his way back to Carvers camp, without any food, sleep and probably water, even if they didn't outright state the last one. He hid himself long enough from Carvers relatively competent Guards with automatic guns to monitor their movement and to start planning an escape. He only got caught because he got desperate for food and took a bigger risk than he needed to.

    This may actually be his main character flaw: Pete said he always beats him at poker, Nick told a story about Luke's 'great plan' and how they were broke two monts later, he mentioned enjoying jumping between rooftops(although that's less risky if you know what you're doing) and now this.
    However, he seems to be aware of this, as he admits this mistake and also scolds Clementine in s2e2 if she attacks the standing walker instead of the sitting one. Luke could deal with the Walker much better size-wise and did say only moments before that she was "valuable", so there was zero need for her to show off. When Clem did something just to prove herself multiple times in s1e4, you as Lee had the option to remind her that wasn't ok.
    In the begining of s2e2 he was imo actually the most competent Character who wasn't bit. Definetly better than Dr. Genius and itchy trigger-finger over there.
    In s2e1 he takes time to know her istead of locking her away(Carlos) or blindly trusting her(Sarah, maybe pete?). I do have to admit that he was a little susceptable to Clems [sad eyes], altough almost everyone who wasn't dead set on shooting her was.

    So all in all, while he isn't a total badass like Lee, I consider him Competent enough. Clementine doesn't _desperatly_ need another Guardian, but having no-one to turn to would be bad for any 11year-old girl in a apocalypse, even for her. He may not be perfect, but he's the only one alive i see fit for that job right now.
  • I agree with everything you said, but I never really considered Alvin a true guardian figure. He was a nice man who was good to Clem, but he was mostly concerned with Rebecca. He would have been too distracted with the new baby and Rebecca to really pan out as a guardian. I think Kenny has really accepted that role. I do think it's going to get to the point where Clementine won't need or want a guardian figure. She's really maturing and coming into her own. I mean look at what she did in the last episode. I'd say she's the one taking care of the group more than the other way around. Without Clem, they would have been in a really bad situation. Just a thought.
    GF1115 posted: »

    I agree. He was just angry... so he got caught. Try to compare it with what Lee did back in Savannah. I believe he is doing his best but cal

  • No offense, but I think Kenny is pretty bad for Clementine. Don't get me wrong I love Kenny.
    Belan posted: »

    Not sure why people keep putting words in my mouth. I don't dislike Luke. I simply don't understand why so many people are so crazy about hi

  • edited May 2014
    Get out. Get out before i'll punch you.
  • That's just how it is here. I've gotten to the point where I don't even look at the vote counter anymore. Some people will have great points, but they'll get tons of downvotes and no responses. Other people will have really stupid posts and will get a plethora of upvotes. It's pretty much a popularity meter. It doesn't prove or disprove a point. My advice, just ignore it and focus on the responses. You'll get way more in the way of gauging people's opinions, good debates/discussions, out of an actual response than a vote counter.
    Belan posted: »

    I love how so many people are willing to dish out down votes, but not actually add anything to the discussion. Come on guys. If so many people disagree with my opinion, why is practically no one explaining their thoughts?

  • Luke seemed a bit pedo when he grabbed Clem and put his hand over her mouth.
  • Oh, I don't even care about the actual votes themselves, it was just annoying how there was such a seemingly large amount of people that disagreed with my viewpoint but basically no one was willing to partake in discussion.

    That's just how it is here. I've gotten to the point where I don't even look at the vote counter anymore. Some people will have great points

  • I don't necessarily think that anyone in the group is bad for Clementine. I think that Clementine is on equal ground with Luke, Kenny, and the rest now. She's really proven herself, especially in this last episode, to be a very useful and important member of the group. So, in my opinion, she's getting to where she can make her own decisions and doesn't really need a guardian anymore. She's come a long way from the little girl in the treehouse, that's for sure.
    Swindler posted: »

    No offense, but I think Kenny is pretty bad for Clementine. Don't get me wrong I love Kenny.

  • edited May 2014
    I don't think he would be the greatest for her either, considering he kind of lives life on the edge a bit. I don't think he would be bad for her though. Out of everyone in the group though, I think he is the most capable of protecting her.
    Swindler posted: »

    No offense, but I think Kenny is pretty bad for Clementine. Don't get me wrong I love Kenny.

  • Booyah!
    Belan posted: »

    Not sure why people keep putting words in my mouth. I don't dislike Luke. I simply don't understand why so many people are so crazy about hi

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