Hmm I like Luke.I like him better after this episode.If Kenny dosen't make it Luke's the perfect contender.I like Lee more than luke because you played as Lee which gives way more screen time than other characters,Lee was a baddas/nice dude,and i know he was only 37 but he is so wise and his dialogue is so memorable because how wise he his.I like Luke he's my favorite out of the cabin group,but if you don't like him more power to you bro. :)
"As an aside, Luke presents pretty much zero challenge to Kenny ;) "
What, in a fight or taking care of Clementine? I'm assuming the latter because of context, but thats suprising considering:
-he ONLY cares for people he sees "on his side" enough, and as soon as it -seems- a little like someone abandons him and is against him, he thinks they're complete assholes
-he has a big temper and solves many things with violence and running straight ahead into danger (his version of the escape-plan)
-he brutally BASHED Carvers head in despite being low on time, enjoying the vengance, possibly in front of Clementine. Granted the guy was an unpredictable Madman-Darwinist at that point, but that doesn't make this right OR sensible. I wouln't let him live because he probably would come back for the group, but enjoying someones painful death goes too far.
Those things shouldn't be taught anyone who you want to retain their Humanity and survive the Apocalypse using their brain. Kanny as Clems guardian would be awful.
Not sure why people keep putting words in my mouth. I don't dislike Luke. I simply don't understand why so many people are so crazy about hi… morem/ act like he is some great protector of Clementine and the rest of the group.
I have never acted like "Kenny is unarguably the best human being to ever grace the screen of the Walking Dead game". I have also never said that Kenny has guardian status over Clem. If you read through the thread, I stated the exact opposite. I don't think Clem has a guardian figure at all. I don't think she will have one ever again.
As an aside, Luke presents pretty much zero challenge to Kenny ;)
1. Kenny doesn't plan at all. I agree with what Mike said. You don't plan to improvise. One of Kenny's "plans" (not really plans, more like let's wing this and hope for the best) is going to get Clem killed.
Kenny: "I know Clem! You'll just turn on the intercoms and attract thousands of walkers over here that will swarm the whole camp!"
Clem: "Then what?"
Kenny: "I dunno. We improvise!"
2. Kenny has an attitude with Clem. It seems like every time Clem might not agree with what Kenny says 100%, he yells at her, just like in the truck.
3. Kenny makes her do EVERYTHING. I thought the cabin group was bad and Kenny wouldn't be like that, but jeez was I wrong, it's worse! Even Luke has a limit where he says "Are you crazy" if you say you'll take the big walker and "She's the plan?!" when they need someone to turn the PA system. I love how he asks only Clem to help him in the truck to take on Carver's group and not anyone else.
Kenny: "Clem I got my restraints off! Get ready because I'm going to need your help against a group of people with AK-47s."
4. Kenny can be hotheaded which almost led to her death in the hardware store. FFS Troy had to save Clem, that's how bad Kenny screwed up.
5. Kenny only has one eye which means he lost his depth perception which means that he's going to have a hard time doing a lot of things. For example, shooting a gun. Good luck because Clem is going to have to do all of the shooting from now on.
I don't think he would be the greatest for her either, considering he kind of lives life on the edge a bit. I don't think he would be bad for her though. Out of everyone in the group though, I think he is the most capable of protecting her.
1. That's in the past, I'm talking about what we have actually seen him do in this season so far.
2. I forgot about that for some reaso… moren.
3. It doesn't really matter, he still tossed her in the shed and didn't even try to sneak her some help later on.
4. After Clem nearly gets killed by a walker. Too little too late.
5. He doesn't make Nick apologize, Nick does that on his own. Even if he did tell Nick to apologize.. does that really have anything to do with his usefulness? That would be more along the lines of him being a nice guy.
6. Again, this is just him being a nice guy. Doesn't really show anything about his overall usefulness.
7. But he doesn't find her, or help the situation in any sort of way. The guy if full of good intentions, but it never really results in him having success.
8. I highly doubt the group would have just abandoned Nick. Anyway, I guess he does clear the shed of walkers.. though t… [view original content]
plothole of this new writter Pierre shorrete is in the momento of appear luke if Nick die in ep 2 never question what happen with him....really telltale need think in contact old writter of season 2 and not this new guy...
Yeah, exactly this. I mean, think about it. He just did a five daw trek to Carver's camp in about a day, didn't eat, and snuck into Carver's camp which is surrounded by guards. Pretty sure he's just exhausted, haha.
Do bitten people survive a whole day without amputation? He looks like he has survived for even longer than any bite victim did prior.
Either he is incredibly healthy, incredibly lucky, or not bitten, just very exhausted.
I was mostly only joking around, but yeah, I think Kenny would be a better guardian than Luke. He can seem reckless at times, but overall he really isn't that bad. I mean, if he was truly reckless he wouldn't even be alive at this point. Some of his ideas when talking about escaping the camp were kind of silly, but they were really nothing more than ideas. His plans at the very beginning of the episode were definitely ridiculous though. Hands down the stupidest thing he has ever thought about doing.
The way that Kenny ended Carver wasn't exactly morally right, but it is understandable. Carver killed his friend (Walt) , and continued to murder others. He nearly beat Kenny to death, to the point that Kenny lost an eye. Again, not saying what Kenny did was right, but it is understandable that he would have a pretty big thirst for revenge.
The reason why I think he would be a better guardian than Luke is the fact that he can actually help to protect Clem. The only thing Luke brings to the table is his friendliness. He has good intentions, but nothing ever really seems to work out for him.
This is kind of a pointless debate though, considering I don't think Kenny should be a guardian figure for Clem.
"As an aside, Luke presents pretty much zero challenge to Kenny ;) "
What, in a fight or taking care of Clementine? I'm assuming the la… moretter because of context, but thats suprising considering:
-he ONLY cares for people he sees "on his side" enough, and as soon as it -seems- a little like someone abandons him and is against him, he thinks they're complete assholes
-he has a big temper and solves many things with violence and running straight ahead into danger (his version of the escape-plan)
-he brutally BASHED Carvers head in despite being low on time, enjoying the vengance, possibly in front of Clementine. Granted the guy was an unpredictable Madman-Darwinist at that point, but that doesn't make this right OR sensible. I wouln't let him live because he probably would come back for the group, but enjoying someones painful death goes too far.
Those things shouldn't be taught anyone who you want to retain their Humanity and survive the Apocalypse using their brain. Kanny as Clems guardian would be awful.
Hmm I like Luke.I like him better after this episode.If Kenny dosen't make it Luke's the perfect contender.I like Lee more than luke because… more you played as Lee which gives way more screen time than other characters,Lee was a baddas/nice dude,and i know he was only 37 but he is so wise and his dialogue is so memorable because how wise he his.I like Luke he's my favorite out of the cabin group,but if you don't like him more power to you bro. :)
It took a whole day for the transportation vehicles carrying everyone to get to Carver's camp. Luke in a day and a half if not sooner which is impressive and exhausting. Luke also hasn't slept, eaten or drank anything for days and you fault him for looking sick?
This isn't season one anymore where the -main- danger is the group not holding together. Back then it was easier to be helpful and being completely useless like Ben stood out particulary. When Luke "screwed up" it was almost always because of dealing with a much more Influencal and Intelligent foe than ever faced before (Carver) or plain bad Luck(eg. the Bridge breaking in s2e2). Luke can definetly fight of Walkers, heck i bet he would have beaten them all singlehandedly at the Bridge if it didn't happen to break.
I can understand (and somewhat share) your surprise that a lot of people see him as a Clem-father-figure, especially since he didn't have any outstanding moments onscreen, but him beeing useless is a stretch.
Is Mark useless, because he only ever Killed one walker onscreen and later got his legs chopped off, even though he brought supplies to the Group and supposedly has had Military Training? For general usefullnes it seems a bit wierd not to count offscreen. I still maintain that Luke is the most usefull Member of the group at the start of s2e2. Thats not even saying much. I'd even say hes the most usefull at the end of s2e3 of the characters that we can be fairly certan to know. The short-haired Girl could be better or worse, depending how her seemingly complete lack of empathy for others plays out. She'd have to be insanely good at surviving to make her helpful to the group if she doesn't even care about them.
Would you at least agree that Luke is 'average' in usefullnes? Not like Ben, not even like Omid, but also not better than Lee or Pete?
I can't help but think that the reason so many love Luke is because he's young and "attractive". I put it in quotes because honestly I don't think he's all that hot lol. Still, I hate to generalize a whole part of the fandom, but from the minute he locked Clem in the shed I just haven't trusted him, and I don't think he's done enough to earn Clem's respect/trust either, so I don't really understand why he's so liked other than for his looks. I was expecting more from him this episode too, I was shocked to see him be so agreeable. I don't hate him, but I don't really like him either..
Yeah, I don't really get the amount of fanfare either. I like Luke a lot, but he's no Lee. He hasn't really done anything THAT great yet. He… more's a decent guy, but he hasn't proven himself as a hero-type, like Lee. He has this hero status on the forum that I can't really relate to. Who knows though? Maybe he'll end up doing something really heroic before the season's end. I was expecting more from him in Episode 3. I was so excited when he showed up, but it was really disappointing to know he got caught taking food. It's a bit anti-climactic. I think the fact that he's a young, good-looking man, who was nice to Clem when everyone else (minus Pete, Sarah) wasn't makes people really like him. That's totally fine, I like him too, but I'm still waiting for him to do something to prove his leadership abilities. Lee did a lot to prove himself to the group. Lee earned his position of leader by doing a lot of brave/heroic things. Luke is younger than Lee, so he has time to prove himself, as long as he doesn't get bit or killed.
It seems that the circumstances around Episode 3 made Luke appear incredibly incompetent, which is unfortunate since I like his character and his brotherly relationship with Clementine.
His act to return to the group is starting to look pointless after all since his plan epically backfired to the point where it cost Kenny his eye and nearly crushed the group's motivation to escape. Because of that he might as well have not bother to make the effort to rescue the group in the first place, which is a shame since his act to follow the truck without giving up was admirable, only to be undone by his plan failing so badly. It's almost as if we're having deja vu with Ben and his deal with the bandits, only this time it looked as if Telltale unintentionally made Luke look like a fool.
I wouldn't go that far, but I was kind of annoyed that Luke said that, considering he was the entire reason the group was in the predicament in the first place.
I think it might be the case that you just don't like him that much because Kenny doesn't like him that much, and you view him as a challen… morege to your perceived 'Kenny guardian' status that you have added into the game.
Just a wild theory, but you do go on about how Kenny is unarguably the best human being to ever grace the screen of the Walking Dead game, so it seems like a possibility.
It took a whole day for the transportation vehicles carrying everyone to get to Carver's camp. Luke in a day and a half if not sooner which … moreis impressive and exhausting. Luke also hasn't slept, eaten or drank anything for days and you fault him for looking sick?
I disagree.
1. Kenny doesn't plan at all. I agree with what Mike said. You don't plan to improvise. One of Kenny's "plans" (not really… more plans, more like let's wing this and hope for the best) is going to get Clem killed.
Kenny: "I know Clem! You'll just turn on the intercoms and attract thousands of walkers over here that will swarm the whole camp!"
Clem: "Then what?"
Kenny: "I dunno. We improvise!"
2. Kenny has an attitude with Clem. It seems like every time Clem might not agree with what Kenny says 100%, he yells at her, just like in the truck.
3. Kenny makes her do EVERYTHING. I thought the cabin group was bad and Kenny wouldn't be like that, but jeez was I wrong, it's worse! Even Luke has a limit where he says "Are you crazy" if you say you'll take the big walker and "She's the plan?!" when they need someone to turn the PA system. I love how he asks only Clem to help him in the truck to take on Carver's group and n… [view original content]
I'm guessing it's in reference to season 1 (after sneaking into Crawford) when Lee tells Clem that he isn't leaving her with Ben, he's leaving Ben with her?
I'm afraid it's going to reach a point where we will have to decide to save either Luke or Kenny ... and I will want to save both because I like them both equally. Kenny's a hot head but he does care for Clem and has proven himself a survivor. Plus, there's the history he has with Clem. Luke has always been nice to her and seems to be the only one who ever says "Wait a minute. Why are we asking the KID to do everything?"
I disagree. Luke has done a lot. My reason for liking him were already named by 'FlamingOblivion' :) In the end it only matters that he was there for Clementine and tried to save the group/her from Carver. It is not important that his plans failed , it is more important that he has his heart at the right place and tries. It is rare to find good hearted people in this world. :) He and Clementine clearly care for each other.
he is capable of lots of thing but he kind of a wimp in some part, like when he realised Clem was bit (by sam) he throw her down, he still care for the group but his life is the most important, still a nice guy though we'll see
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What, in a fight or taking care of Clementine? I'm assuming the latter because of context, but thats suprising considering:
-he ONLY cares for people he sees "on his side" enough, and as soon as it -seems- a little like someone abandons him and is against him, he thinks they're complete assholes
-he has a big temper and solves many things with violence and running straight ahead into danger (his version of the escape-plan)
-he brutally BASHED Carvers head in despite being low on time, enjoying the vengance, possibly in front of Clementine. Granted the guy was an unpredictable Madman-Darwinist at that point, but that doesn't make this right OR sensible. I wouln't let him live because he probably would come back for the group, but enjoying someones painful death goes too far.
Those things shouldn't be taught anyone who you want to retain their Humanity and survive the Apocalypse using their brain. Kanny as Clems guardian would be awful.
1. Kenny doesn't plan at all. I agree with what Mike said. You don't plan to improvise. One of Kenny's "plans" (not really plans, more like let's wing this and hope for the best) is going to get Clem killed.
Kenny: "I know Clem! You'll just turn on the intercoms and attract thousands of walkers over here that will swarm the whole camp!"
Clem: "Then what?"
Kenny: "I dunno. We improvise!"
2. Kenny has an attitude with Clem. It seems like every time Clem might not agree with what Kenny says 100%, he yells at her, just like in the truck.
3. Kenny makes her do EVERYTHING. I thought the cabin group was bad and Kenny wouldn't be like that, but jeez was I wrong, it's worse! Even Luke has a limit where he says "Are you crazy" if you say you'll take the big walker and "She's the plan?!" when they need someone to turn the PA system. I love how he asks only Clem to help him in the truck to take on Carver's group and not anyone else.
Kenny: "Clem I got my restraints off! Get ready because I'm going to need your help against a group of people with AK-47s."
4. Kenny can be hotheaded which almost led to her death in the hardware store. FFS Troy had to save Clem, that's how bad Kenny screwed up.
5. Kenny only has one eye which means he lost his depth perception which means that he's going to have a hard time doing a lot of things. For example, shooting a gun. Good luck because Clem is going to have to do all of the shooting from now on.
The way that Kenny ended Carver wasn't exactly morally right, but it is understandable. Carver killed his friend (Walt) , and continued to murder others. He nearly beat Kenny to death, to the point that Kenny lost an eye. Again, not saying what Kenny did was right, but it is understandable that he would have a pretty big thirst for revenge.
The reason why I think he would be a better guardian than Luke is the fact that he can actually help to protect Clem. The only thing Luke brings to the table is his friendliness. He has good intentions, but nothing ever really seems to work out for him.
This is kind of a pointless debate though, considering I don't think Kenny should be a guardian figure for Clem.
I can understand (and somewhat share) your surprise that a lot of people see him as a Clem-father-figure, especially since he didn't have any outstanding moments onscreen, but him beeing useless is a stretch.
Is Mark useless, because he only ever Killed one walker onscreen and later got his legs chopped off, even though he brought supplies to the Group and supposedly has had Military Training? For general usefullnes it seems a bit wierd not to count offscreen. I still maintain that Luke is the most usefull Member of the group at the start of s2e2. Thats not even saying much. I'd even say hes the most usefull at the end of s2e3 of the characters that we can be fairly certan to know. The short-haired Girl could be better or worse, depending how her seemingly complete lack of empathy for others plays out. She'd have to be insanely good at surviving to make her helpful to the group if she doesn't even care about them.
Would you at least agree that Luke is 'average' in usefullnes? Not like Ben, not even like Omid, but also not better than Lee or Pete?
1. Takes charge at Ski Lodge when the wind turbine goes out of control and power goes out
2. Distracts Reggie so Clem can scope out holding area.
3. 90% of the escape plan came from Kenny. The only thing added to it was covering themselves up with walker blood.
4. Was able to sneak Clem the radio basically right in front of Troy.
5. Takes the radio from Clem and turns himself into Carver in order to protect her. Almost pays with his life.
6. After getting knocked unconscious, losing an eye, and nearly getting beaten to death he is still fit enough to help the group escape.
7. Takes down Carver along with Clem and Luke
8. Kills Carver
He really screwed up at the ski lodge back in episode two, so he isn't without his faults, but overall he is generally a really useful guy.
His act to return to the group is starting to look pointless after all since his plan epically backfired to the point where it cost Kenny his eye and nearly crushed the group's motivation to escape. Because of that he might as well have not bother to make the effort to rescue the group in the first place, which is a shame since his act to follow the truck without giving up was admirable, only to be undone by his plan failing so badly. It's almost as if we're having deja vu with Ben and his deal with the bandits, only this time it looked as if Telltale unintentionally made Luke look like a fool.
Ok then, Clementine takes care of Luke, problem solved.