I'm not too bothered by that honestly... He made a mistake, and that's not his fault. He took on too much.
What I am bothered about is him talking about how maybe they need to leave some people behind, talking about Kenny just after he lost an eye trying to protect Clementine. That was pretty cowardly/shitty in my opinion.
It seems that the circumstances around Episode 3 made Luke appear incredibly incompetent, which is unfortunate since I like his character an… mored his brotherly relationship with Clementine.
His act to return to the group is starting to look pointless after all since his plan epically backfired to the point where it cost Kenny his eye and nearly crushed the group's motivation to escape. Because of that he might as well have not bother to make the effort to rescue the group in the first place, which is a shame since his act to follow the truck without giving up was admirable, only to be undone by his plan failing so badly. It's almost as if we're having deja vu with Ben and his deal with the bandits, only this time it looked as if Telltale unintentionally made Luke look like a fool.
Yes, and for me at least, that's not the problem. The problem was him suggesting they leave Kenny behind when it's his fault that Kenny was put in that position.
But Luke did suggest that the group should leave another day because Kenny and most people were in bad shape. But nobody agreed. Who could take care of Kenny and carry him through a herd of zombies and make sure everyone would be safe? They didn't even know where they were going.
Yes, and for me at least, that's not the problem. The problem was him suggesting they leave Kenny behind when it's his fault that Kenny was put in that position.
Yes, and for me at least, that's not the problem. The problem was him suggesting they leave Kenny behind when it's his fault that Kenny was put in that position.
Actually, Luke was against leaving that night and suggested that they wait a few days for everyone to heal. Everyone was against Luke's idea of staying and letting people recover so he said that if they were to leave tonight then folks might have to be left behind and everyone was pissed at him. I repeat, Luke was against leaving that night.
I'm not too bothered by that honestly... He made a mistake, and that's not his fault. He took on too much.
What I am bothered about is … morehim talking about how maybe they need to leave some people behind, talking about Kenny just after he lost an eye trying to protect Clementine. That was pretty cowardly/shitty in my opinion.
He's an attractive younger guy whom seems like he has a good head on his shoulders. That's why I think many here is in love with his character. I personally agree with you. I don't know why his character is so popular, besides the reasons I've stated. As of now he hasn't done much to really show his "worth" I guess, plus he's always running off. First when Carver showed up, and know it seems like he's going to do it again in episode 4. IMO his character is overrated and uninteresting.
People seems to keep saying that Luke wanted to abandon Kenny, I must have missed that because I don't remember him saying these exact words.
EDIT: I replayed the scene, and I heard Luke say at some point that he doesn't want to abandon Kenny. He'll say that some people may be left behind (like Reggie way when he first tried to escape), but that doesn't necessarily mean that he is going to leave him in a heartbeat. Hell, Luke might have consider staying behind himself to give other people a chance to escape.
Actually, Luke was against leaving that night and suggested that they wait a few days for everyone to heal. Everyone was against Luke's idea… more of staying and letting people recover so he said that if they were to leave tonight then folks might have to be left behind and everyone was pissed at him. I repeat, Luke was against leaving that night.
I think this goes back to when Clementine talked to Luke. He is the only cabin group member that knows anything about Clem's past. I don't think of him as a guardian but more as a brother or a friend. Also, as clearly shown in episode 3, Luke has a big soft heart. He didn't want to just straight up kill Carver. For players who want Clem to still be nice and kind, Luke is an example that you can survive the apocalypse that way (it hasn't gotten him killed... yet). If Pete was still here, I would have saw him as a guardian for Clem, but them he would have clashed with Kenny, so I guess he had to die. :( For me, I see Luke as a big brother/friend, Kenny as Clem's guardian, and Jane (if TellTale doesn't turn her into some crazy freak-show) as Clem's trainer.
Luke explains to the group that if they left that night then people would have to be left behind. Everyone gets angry at him for suggesting that. Remember, this was when we thought Kenny might have had brain damage. Imagine trying to please everyone by escaping that night with a brain damaged, immobile, half-blind, wreck of a person. Also Luke was against leaving that night though.
People seems to keep saying that Luke wanted to abandon Kenny, I must have missed that because I don't remember him saying these exact words… more.
EDIT: I replayed the scene, and I heard Luke say at some point that he doesn't want to abandon Kenny. He'll say that some people may be left behind (like Reggie way when he first tried to escape), but that doesn't necessarily mean that he is going to leave him in a heartbeat. Hell, Luke might have consider staying behind himself to give other people a chance to escape.
he was refering to kenny and i think he points out sarita isn't stable, when he said that if they were to leave that night, some people might have to be left behind, which is funny cause luke was probably just as worse for wear as kenny, or atleast he should have been unless the first thing carver did after leaving bonnie in charge of the group after catching luke was to have them fed.
People seems to keep saying that Luke wanted to abandon Kenny, I must have missed that because I don't remember him saying these exact words… more.
EDIT: I replayed the scene, and I heard Luke say at some point that he doesn't want to abandon Kenny. He'll say that some people may be left behind (like Reggie way when he first tried to escape), but that doesn't necessarily mean that he is going to leave him in a heartbeat. Hell, Luke might have consider staying behind himself to give other people a chance to escape.
I was mostly only joking around, but yeah, I think Kenny would be a better guardian than Luke. He can seem reckless at times, but overall he… more really isn't that bad. I mean, if he was truly reckless he wouldn't even be alive at this point. Some of his ideas when talking about escaping the camp were kind of silly, but they were really nothing more than ideas. His plans at the very beginning of the episode were definitely ridiculous though. Hands down the stupidest thing he has ever thought about doing.
The way that Kenny ended Carver wasn't exactly morally right, but it is understandable. Carver killed his friend (Walt) , and continued to murder others. He nearly beat Kenny to death, to the point that Kenny lost an eye. Again, not saying what Kenny did was right, but it is understandable that he would have a pretty big thirst for revenge.
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I agree.
Luke is a good guy, but he just hasn't shown himself to be useful.
Kenny, is not only a good guy, but also knows how to get things done.
And he's willing to do whatever is necessary to keep Clementine safe, just like Lee.
and after all those points in favor of luke, it was nick that gave clem a gun at the lodge. that's a much bigger show of trust than any of the rest luke was pushing on clem.
Here's a list of what Luke has done.
1. He successfully leads the group out of Carver's camp. Without him, the cabin group would've nev… moreer gotten away in the first place.
2. Luke saves Clem's life in the forest. If it wasn't for him and Pete, then Clementine would've been eaten alive.
3. Defended her from the group and apologized when he failed because he was outnumbered, but the group was talking about killing Clem while he convinced them not to.
4. Convinced the group to let Clementine out of the shed. Remember when Luke opened the shed after the walker attacked? Well if you listened to the kitchen conversation, he was arguing that they let Clem go and apologize for being assholes.
5. Made Nick apologize for almost shooting Clem and and being "aggro."
6. Fed her and took the time to listen to her story and sympathize with her. I believe it was best for Clem to talk about her trauma rather than repress it.
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If it isn't important if his plans failed or not, then why is Ben such a disliked character? He always meant well, but he always messed up. Luke lovers don't want to admit it, but it is basically the same thing with Luke.
I disagree. Luke has done a lot. My reason for liking him were already named by 'FlamingOblivion' :) In the end it only matters that he was … morethere for Clementine and tried to save the group/her from Carver. It is not important that his plans failed , it is more important that he has his heart at the right place and tries. It is rare to find good hearted people in this world. :) He and Clementine clearly care for each other.
As morally good as it would have been to leave Carver alive like Luke wanted, do you really think that was a viable option? Carver would have followed them to the end of the earth to get his revenge.
I think this goes back to when Clementine talked to Luke. He is the only cabin group member that knows anything about Clem's past. I don't… more think of him as a guardian but more as a brother or a friend. Also, as clearly shown in episode 3, Luke has a big soft heart. He didn't want to just straight up kill Carver. For players who want Clem to still be nice and kind, Luke is an example that you can survive the apocalypse that way (it hasn't gotten him killed... yet). If Pete was still here, I would have saw him as a guardian for Clem, but them he would have clashed with Kenny, so I guess he had to die. :( For me, I see Luke as a big brother/friend, Kenny as Clem's guardian, and Jane (if TellTale doesn't turn her into some crazy freak-show) as Clem's trainer.
It is not. Luke never ran away when Clementine was surrounded by walkers! Luke never made a deal with bandits and got the whole camp in danger! I did had nothing against Ben though, I already thought the same thing about him back then. You also have to admit that not one person died while Luke's plan got wrong, Ben however, he sadly had the guilt of some deads on him. So no, for me it is not the same. I would even say that you can't compare the situations at all.
If it isn't important if his plans failed or not, then why is Ben such a disliked character? He always meant well, but he always messed up. Luke lovers don't want to admit it, but it is basically the same thing with Luke.
Do bitten people survive a whole day without amputation? He looks like he has survived for even longer than any bite victim did prior.
Either he is incredibly healthy, incredibly lucky, or not bitten, just very exhausted.
Out of everyone, I think Kenny is really the only one suitable to take care of her. That being said, I don't think Clem needs another guardian figure at this point.
Thats determined by your choice. The CANON choice was obviously that Lee wanted Omid and Christa to take care of her in the countryside, or else she never would have been with Omid and Christa in Season 2.
Of course he didn't do the same exact things that Ben did, but the point still stands that Luke generally messes up even though he means well. The only real difference between their mistakes is that Ben's mistakes were generally pretty stupid, where as Luke just can't seem to get things done.
And yes, no one has died as a result of Luke's plans going wrong, but Kenny came very close. He also put Clem in a very bad position on the bridge. It's a little sad that Clem had to save him there, and not the other way around.
It is not. Luke never ran away when Clementine was surrounded by walkers! Luke never made a deal with bandits and got the whole camp in dang… moreer! I did had nothing against Ben though, I already thought the same thing about him back then. You also have to admit that not one person died while Luke's plan got wrong, Ben however, he sadly had the guilt of some deads on him. So no, for me it is not the same. I would even say that you can't compare the situations at all.
I would not say that Luke is messing up much. He messed up last episode yes, but he meant good and Kenny is still alive as well. The different between their mistakes (Ben and Luke) is the outcome. Yes, Kenny came very close I agree. Still, Kenny decided to step in and take the roll. He knew what was coming.
Well, everyone can fall off an old, broken bridge. That he took Clementine with himself is a very dangerous thing. Once again, I agree.! My Lee took Clementine with himself to Crawford as well, also very dangerous.
I don't think that it is sad that Clementine needed to save Luke, why would it be? It is a messed up world.
Of course he didn't do the same exact things that Ben did, but the point still stands that Luke generally messes up even though he means wel… morel. The only real difference between their mistakes is that Ben's mistakes were generally pretty stupid, where as Luke just can't seem to get things done.
And yes, no one has died as a result of Luke's plans going wrong, but Kenny came very close. He also put Clem in a very bad position on the bridge. It's a little sad that Clem had to save him there, and not the other way around.
And if Kenny didn't step in what would have happened? Would Carver have beaten down Clem instead? Would he have simply killed Luke? Kenny was the one who ultimately took the punishment, but it was Luke's fault that someone was getting punished in the first place.
I can sort of forgive Luke for falling through the bridge, though he probably should have been more careful. The issue is that he did nothing to try and fix the situation, leaving Clem to kill the attacking walkers by herself. It was his idea to take Clem with him on the bridge, and yet he couldn't do anything to protect her.
Clem should not have to be saving Luke, he should be able to take care of himself. It all goes back to him being kind of incompetent..
I would not say that Luke is messing up much. He messed up last episode yes, but he meant good and Kenny is still alive as well. The differe… morent between their mistakes (Ben and Luke) is the outcome. Yes, Kenny came very close I agree. Still, Kenny decided to step in and take the roll. He knew what was coming.
Well, everyone can fall off an old, broken bridge. That he took Clementine with himself is a very dangerous thing. Once again, I agree.! My Lee took Clementine with himself to Crawford as well, also very dangerous.
I don't think that it is sad that Clementine needed to save Luke, why would it be? It is a messed up world.
*facepalm* ffs, did you even read my other posts? Luke isn't Incompetent, he's just outclassed by the Situation in season 2. It's like you are calling Batman the weakest Human who ever lived because he can't beat Superman at armwrestling.
Also bonus Points for mentioning the bridge i mentioned too, it broke down without a warning, how the fuck was he supposed to avoid getting trapped? Especially since a walker followed him so he had to dodge quickly into a bad position.
There is a difference between messing up and shit few people on the planet could deal with happening to you. I'm just gonna stop arguing now, since you always bring the same, invalid Argument and I'm starting to get pointlessly frustrated.
Of course he didn't do the same exact things that Ben did, but the point still stands that Luke generally messes up even though he means wel… morel. The only real difference between their mistakes is that Ben's mistakes were generally pretty stupid, where as Luke just can't seem to get things done.
And yes, no one has died as a result of Luke's plans going wrong, but Kenny came very close. He also put Clem in a very bad position on the bridge. It's a little sad that Clem had to save him there, and not the other way around.
Honestly, if Carver would have laid a finger on Clementine don't you think that Luke would step in? I am pretty sure that he would have. It is true that Kenny took the punishment for Luke's fault, however Luke was feeling like shit after that (repeating that it was his fault and that he was sorry) He realised his mistake and did not searched the fault with someone else. He regrets it. That is enough for me to forgive him.
Let us be honest here, if there would have been a way for Luke to help Clem on the bridge, he would have taken it. He just had no choice, other than to wait. He did protected her on the bridge though, the shot from Nick was fired and he took her down with him. We will never know if she would have been hit otherwise or not.
I disagree, in this world it is important that you cannot protect yourself all the time. It would be unrealistic. Lee for example would have not even survived the first episode/ walker attack without Clementine bringing him a 'weapon'.
A character which can protect himself all the time is just not realistic and is never going to be introduced in this game. You have expectation about Luke that not even Lee could fullfill.
And if Kenny didn't step in what would have happened? Would Carver have beaten down Clem instead? Would he have simply killed Luke? Kenny wa… mores the one who ultimately took the punishment, but it was Luke's fault that someone was getting punished in the first place.
I can sort of forgive Luke for falling through the bridge, though he probably should have been more careful. The issue is that he did nothing to try and fix the situation, leaving Clem to kill the attacking walkers by herself. It was his idea to take Clem with him on the bridge, and yet he couldn't do anything to protect her.
Clem should not have to be saving Luke, he should be able to take care of himself. It all goes back to him being kind of incompetent..
Please don't *facepalm* me because I didn't see one of your random ass posts buried somewhere in here. I have like 23423423 people to reply to, relax bud.
You're ignoring the fact that Luke has failed basically in any sort of important situation that he has been in. Aside from saving Clem when his character was first introduced, he hasn't done jack. He wanted to get Clem out of the shed, but was unable to do so. Heck, even Alvin and Sarah did more to help there. He went out looking for Clem/Nick/Pete when they didn't return to the cabin, but he didn't find them. He decided to take Clem with him on the bridge, only for him to fall through the bridge and then cling to the edge like a scared child while Clem killed several walkers and then saved his ass. The fact that he did nothing to save himself after falling through the bridge was kind of pathetic. He does manage to evade Carvers group when he captures everyone else at the Ski Lodge, but he then proceeds to make things worse after he got caught while sneaking around the compound. His mistake nearly gets Kenny killed, and Kenny also loses an eye. At the end of last episode, he wants to leave Carver alive. Morally this is a good idea, but overall, its a terrible one. I agree with you that Luke is outclassed by the situation in season two. He seems to be consistently outclassed in everything he does, hence why he has shown to be kind of useless.
*facepalm* ffs, did you even read my other posts? Luke isn't Incompetent, he's just outclassed by the Situation in season 2. It's like you a… morere calling Batman the weakest Human who ever lived because he can't beat Superman at armwrestling.
Also bonus Points for mentioning the bridge i mentioned too, it broke down without a warning, how the fuck was he supposed to avoid getting trapped? Especially since a walker followed him so he had to dodge quickly into a bad position.
There is a difference between messing up and shit few people on the planet could deal with happening to you. I'm just gonna stop arguing now, since you always bring the same, invalid Argument and I'm starting to get pointlessly frustrated.
I think Luke would have tried to intervene if Carver started beating on Clem, though he probably wouldn't have been able to do anything to stop it.
If Luke would have some level of physical fitness, he would have been able to gain some balance, and bring himself up and out of the hole in the bridge. He wasn't really in that bad of a situation, and yet he needed Clem's help to survive. Lets be honest, the whole situation was kind of pathetic.
When Lee needed help from Clem he was only 20-30 minutes into the apocalypse and had no idea what was going on.. not really a fair situation to compare to.
I agree that characters can't always protect themselves. It depends on the situation though. Luke put himself and Clem in more danger than they should have been in on the bridge by first falling through the bridge (by not being careful), and then doing nothing to try and rectify the situation.
My expectations for Luke are not very high, it would just be nice if he could do something right for a change. Seriously, anything at all... because he honestly hasn't been doing ANYTHING. And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to hate on Luke or anything, I'm just telling it like it is.
Honestly, if Carver would have laid a finger on Clementine don't you think that Luke would step in? I am pretty sure that he would have. It … moreis true that Kenny took the punishment for Luke's fault, however Luke was feeling like shit after that (repeating that it was his fault and that he was sorry) He realised his mistake and did not searched the fault with someone else. He regrets it. That is enough for me to forgive him.
Let us be honest here, if there would have been a way for Luke to help Clem on the bridge, he would have taken it. He just had no choice, other than to wait. He did protected her on the bridge though, the shot from Nick was fired and he took her down with him. We will never know if she would have been hit otherwise or not.
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Luke is represtentate (spell?) a lot of people. There's people like him that are scared by the new world and doesn't want to use violence.
The one of the reason that I like Luke is because he is a natural charachter and If we are thinking, we might know someone that is like him c:
It's not that I don't like Luke, I just think that he gets over hyped by some posters here. Somehow everyone is getting confused into thinking that I'm some big Luke hater just because I'm giving some simple criticism to his character.
Luke is represtentate (spell?) a lot of people. There's people like him that are scared by the new world and doesn't want to use violence.
… more The one of the reason that I like Luke is because he is a natural charachter and If we are thinking, we might know someone that is like him c:
At least we agree that Luke would try to help her.
Come one, when you fall from a fucking bridge and are stuck with a walker in front of you, no physical fitness will help you there. I would have been fallen in the water right away, not being able to even hold on. So no I do not think that what Luke did was pathetic at all :)
Ok, then I take the Stranger as an example. Clementine needed to shoot him, because he would have killed Lee otherwise. It was in episode 5 (Yes, there was also the option for Lee to kill the stranger, but still some needed help from Clem)
We just do not agree on the bridge situation, it makes no sense to talk about it. All I will say is that bad things happen and that Luke could have done nothing. (You did not answer on the part where Luke saved Clem on the bridge though)
He is doing anything he can, for me that is enough. My expectations are high for Luke, since I like his character. They are fullfilled. I just see that he is still a human being and that mistakes are normal. I could name you a few other scenes, in which people like Kenny got Clem in danger as well. You do not seem to hate him. Why is that? Every character has made mistakes, as human as the ones from Luke.
I see that you will stand with your decision. That is alright, it is your opinion. I will stay with mine though and I will enjoy Luke's scenes.
Thank you for the nice talk, enjoy TWD nonetheless.
I think Luke would have tried to intervene if Carver started beating on Clem, though he probably wouldn't have been able to do anything to s… moretop it.
If Luke would have some level of physical fitness, he would have been able to gain some balance, and bring himself up and out of the hole in the bridge. He wasn't really in that bad of a situation, and yet he needed Clem's help to survive. Lets be honest, the whole situation was kind of pathetic.
When Lee needed help from Clem he was only 20-30 minutes into the apocalypse and had no idea what was going on.. not really a fair situation to compare to.
I agree that characters can't always protect themselves. It depends on the situation though. Luke put himself and Clem in more danger than they should have been in on the bridge by first falling through the bridge (by not being careful), and then doing nothing to try and rectify the situation.
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I never said that you are a Lukehater (: It's your opinion, and I think that after he lost his parent (might killing them or something) are bit too soft.
It's not that I don't like Luke, I just think that he gets over hyped by some posters here. Somehow everyone is getting confused into thinking that I'm some big Luke hater just because I'm giving some simple criticism to his character.
Okay, I'll get disliked like hell for this, but I KNOW I'm speaking for me and a few others. Imma be honest.
I, anyway, overhype about Luke cause he's adorkable. He's attractive, funny and he has the most adorable sad eyes. He's a softie at heart. This is why I'll stick up for him.
Okay, I'll get disliked like hell for this, but I KNOW I'm speaking for me and a few others. Imma be honest.
I, anyway, overhype about … moreLuke cause he's adorkable. He's attractive, funny and he has the most adorable sad eyes. He's a softie at heart. This is why I'll stick up for him.
I really don't think that Kenny would be a good guardian or even role model for Clem because once he comes up with a plan, he is unwilling to compromise or even consider a second plan in case the first one fails. In the first season he wanted to get a boat and wouldn't listen to anyone that said anything different. When he and Lee find that there are no boats, Lee suggests they figure out a "plan B" and Kenny instead of agreeing, says that getting a boat was the plan. Even after his plan didn't work out he was still unwilling to listen to anything else. When Lee gets to the house, Kenny is sitting on the couch drunk, Lee asks Kenny where Clem is and he basically says he doesn't care. I really don't understand why people think that Kenny is good for Clem. He is dangerous for any group he is with.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Good job, man!
Good job.
The only part I disagree with you on, is Kenny being Clementine's guardian figure.
I think he's great for the role.
As a girl 'on the inside' in this situation, yes, I will shamelessly admit that! I believe he's a good guy at heart, and he hasn't stuffed up Ben-Like yet :P
What disturbs me is that he's a forced guardian figure.
It's probably more unsettling than telltale intended it to be when I shut him down on every opportunity because of how he allowed me to be locked in that shed with a gaping wound, and yet he's unrelenting in trying to bond with Clementine and create a paternal friendship which is completely unprovoked on my end.
I never said that you are a Lukehater (: It's your opinion, and I think that after he lost his parent (might killing them or something) are bit too soft.
I think Luke is a great guy who does help, although it seems that most of that help is implied and behind the scenes. He loyal to the group, he looks after their needs and protects them from harm whenever he can. The only fault I can find with Luke is that he can't do what is necessary: he won't kill Carver.
Carver has already demonstrated that he will go to extraordinary lengths to find and track down the cabin group - Rebecca in particular - and when faced with Carver from a position of superiority (gun in hand) he can't kill Carver? Carver has dogged the cabin group for months and would likely make their lives a living hell if he's forced to chase and recapture them again, and Luke can't pull the trigger? I would like to think that Luke has to know that with Carver dead that the group will have a much better chance of escaping and throwing the camp disarray, making any pursuit less effective.
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Next scene, Luke is saying that if they're going to escape, they need to think about leaving some people behind.
What I am bothered about is him talking about how maybe they need to leave some people behind, talking about Kenny just after he lost an eye trying to protect Clementine. That was pretty cowardly/shitty in my opinion.
EDIT: I replayed the scene, and I heard Luke say at some point that he doesn't want to abandon Kenny. He'll say that some people may be left behind (like Reggie way when he first tried to escape), but that doesn't necessarily mean that he is going to leave him in a heartbeat. Hell, Luke might have consider staying behind himself to give other people a chance to escape.
Good job, man!
Good job.
The only part I disagree with you on, is Kenny being Clementine's guardian figure.
I think he's great for the role.
Luke is a good guy, but he just hasn't shown himself to be useful.
Kenny, is not only a good guy, but also knows how to get things done.
And he's willing to do whatever is necessary to keep Clementine safe, just like Lee.
Lee lasted a few hours with no problem.
So... yea.
Older brother figure in Luke and Nick, and Mother and Father figure in Sarita and Kenny.
And yes, no one has died as a result of Luke's plans going wrong, but Kenny came very close. He also put Clem in a very bad position on the bridge. It's a little sad that Clem had to save him there, and not the other way around.
Well, everyone can fall off an old, broken bridge. That he took Clementine with himself is a very dangerous thing. Once again, I agree.! My Lee took Clementine with himself to Crawford as well, also very dangerous.
I don't think that it is sad that Clementine needed to save Luke, why would it be? It is a messed up world.
I can sort of forgive Luke for falling through the bridge, though he probably should have been more careful. The issue is that he did nothing to try and fix the situation, leaving Clem to kill the attacking walkers by herself. It was his idea to take Clem with him on the bridge, and yet he couldn't do anything to protect her.
Clem should not have to be saving Luke, he should be able to take care of himself. It all goes back to him being kind of incompetent..
Also bonus Points for mentioning the bridge i mentioned too, it broke down without a warning, how the fuck was he supposed to avoid getting trapped? Especially since a walker followed him so he had to dodge quickly into a bad position.
There is a difference between messing up and shit few people on the planet could deal with happening to you. I'm just gonna stop arguing now, since you always bring the same, invalid Argument and I'm starting to get pointlessly frustrated.
Let us be honest here, if there would have been a way for Luke to help Clem on the bridge, he would have taken it. He just had no choice, other than to wait. He did protected her on the bridge though, the shot from Nick was fired and he took her down with him. We will never know if she would have been hit otherwise or not.
I disagree, in this world it is important that you cannot protect yourself all the time. It would be unrealistic. Lee for example would have not even survived the first episode/ walker attack without Clementine bringing him a 'weapon'.
A character which can protect himself all the time is just not realistic and is never going to be introduced in this game. You have expectation about Luke that not even Lee could fullfill.
You're ignoring the fact that Luke has failed basically in any sort of important situation that he has been in. Aside from saving Clem when his character was first introduced, he hasn't done jack. He wanted to get Clem out of the shed, but was unable to do so. Heck, even Alvin and Sarah did more to help there. He went out looking for Clem/Nick/Pete when they didn't return to the cabin, but he didn't find them. He decided to take Clem with him on the bridge, only for him to fall through the bridge and then cling to the edge like a scared child while Clem killed several walkers and then saved his ass. The fact that he did nothing to save himself after falling through the bridge was kind of pathetic. He does manage to evade Carvers group when he captures everyone else at the Ski Lodge, but he then proceeds to make things worse after he got caught while sneaking around the compound. His mistake nearly gets Kenny killed, and Kenny also loses an eye. At the end of last episode, he wants to leave Carver alive. Morally this is a good idea, but overall, its a terrible one. I agree with you that Luke is outclassed by the situation in season two. He seems to be consistently outclassed in everything he does, hence why he has shown to be kind of useless.
If Luke would have some level of physical fitness, he would have been able to gain some balance, and bring himself up and out of the hole in the bridge. He wasn't really in that bad of a situation, and yet he needed Clem's help to survive. Lets be honest, the whole situation was kind of pathetic.
When Lee needed help from Clem he was only 20-30 minutes into the apocalypse and had no idea what was going on.. not really a fair situation to compare to.
I agree that characters can't always protect themselves. It depends on the situation though. Luke put himself and Clem in more danger than they should have been in on the bridge by first falling through the bridge (by not being careful), and then doing nothing to try and rectify the situation.
My expectations for Luke are not very high, it would just be nice if he could do something right for a change. Seriously, anything at all... because he honestly hasn't been doing ANYTHING. And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to hate on Luke or anything, I'm just telling it like it is.
The one of the reason that I like Luke is because he is a natural charachter and If we are thinking, we might know someone that is like him c:
Come one, when you fall from a fucking bridge and are stuck with a walker in front of you, no physical fitness will help you there. I would have been fallen in the water right away, not being able to even hold on. So no I do not think that what Luke did was pathetic at all :)
Ok, then I take the Stranger as an example. Clementine needed to shoot him, because he would have killed Lee otherwise. It was in episode 5 (Yes, there was also the option for Lee to kill the stranger, but still some needed help from Clem)
We just do not agree on the bridge situation, it makes no sense to talk about it. All I will say is that bad things happen and that Luke could have done nothing. (You did not answer on the part where Luke saved Clem on the bridge though)
He is doing anything he can, for me that is enough. My expectations are high for Luke, since I like his character. They are fullfilled. I just see that he is still a human being and that mistakes are normal. I could name you a few other scenes, in which people like Kenny got Clem in danger as well. You do not seem to hate him. Why is that? Every character has made mistakes, as human as the ones from Luke.
I see that you will stand with your decision. That is alright, it is your opinion. I will stay with mine though and I will enjoy Luke's scenes.
Thank you for the nice talk, enjoy TWD nonetheless.
I, anyway, overhype about Luke cause he's adorkable. He's attractive, funny and he has the most adorable sad eyes. He's a softie at heart. This is why I'll stick up for him.
It's probably more unsettling than telltale intended it to be when I shut him down on every opportunity because of how he allowed me to be locked in that shed with a gaping wound, and yet he's unrelenting in trying to bond with Clementine and create a paternal friendship which is completely unprovoked on my end.
Carver has already demonstrated that he will go to extraordinary lengths to find and track down the cabin group - Rebecca in particular - and when faced with Carver from a position of superiority (gun in hand) he can't kill Carver? Carver has dogged the cabin group for months and would likely make their lives a living hell if he's forced to chase and recapture them again, and Luke can't pull the trigger? I would like to think that Luke has to know that with Carver dead that the group will have a much better chance of escaping and throwing the camp disarray, making any pursuit less effective.