Nick's Behavior in Ep 3

edited May 2014 in The Walking Dead
Nick's demeanor in episode 3 was all around kind of bizarre to me. Did anyone else feel that way?

He didn't seem light-hearted, per se, but I expected him to be FAR more pessimistic than he actually ended up being. Instead I get him gushing to me about Luke every chance he gets. This just came off as very odd to me because he's quick to cuss Luke out on the bridge in episode 2, but the man seemingly abandons him, and then he's shipped back to the prison-like compound he tried to escape, and all he can say is, "Luke is so great, Luke will come back for us, etc etc etc"?

It feels like Breckon wrote down "Nick thinks Luke is better than he is", passed it on to Shorette, and Shorette interpreted it as "Nick thinks the sun shines out of Luke's asshole." When the episode goes on all of his dialogue is just agreeing with what Luke has to say. They just really amped up his emotional dependence on Luke to an almost concerning degree, if you paid enough attention to it.

I can't tell if this is lazy characterization, or something that's actually intentional. Like... what kind of epiphany did Nick have in truck on the way to Howe's?
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  • Lmao the sun shines out of Luke's asshole.
  • Honestly, I kind of feel like they wrote out the episode, realized they forgot to write Nick into it, so just threw him in and tried to find out how they could do that without interfering with the plot they already created.

    Hence..."Luke Luke Luke...yeah. I'm still here guys. Luke."
  • It's Telltale being lazy, because Nick can die in episode 2, and if he doesn't, Telltale has to make him in the next episode. I was surprised he didn't die in this episode...
  • Yeah, that type of inconsistency is common with multiple writers working on a thing. Nick's whole appearance in episode 3 was kind of a let down, after all that development in episodes 1 and 2. He was just kind of there. I did like that you can hear him yelling in the background for Carver to stop beating Kenny, and how when you're walking through the herd you can hear him(or see his colored subtitle) say "Watch Sarah." He's showing concern for her.
  • I noticed it too, and I got the feeling it was just bad writing. A lot of the characterization was tweaked in episode 3. I can't see any good reason for it being intentional.

    The way Nick was tossed to the backburner this whole episode was disappointing and quite frankly, lazy. He literally did nothing useful, I didn't notice he was there half the time. I'm glad he survived the episode, but I have a sad feeling they're going to quickly dispose of him in the next episode by saying he didn't make it through the horde. And the fact that Luke hardly notices he's gone if Nick got offed in the ski lodge is almost shameful.
  • After the beautiful characterization he's gotten in the first two episodes, it's almost a sin how they've dropped him. The majority of the fandom really loves him so I don't get how it makes any sense.
    sayakamiki posted: »

    I noticed it too, and I got the feeling it was just bad writing. A lot of the characterization was tweaked in episode 3. I can't see any goo

  • Ah I was wondering about that, does he not mention Nick's absence at all?
    sayakamiki posted: »

    I noticed it too, and I got the feeling it was just bad writing. A lot of the characterization was tweaked in episode 3. I can't see any goo

  • He doesn't.
    Ayrtonius posted: »

    Ah I was wondering about that, does he not mention Nick's absence at all?

  • Ben got a hell of a lot more characterization in episode 5, even though you were able to kill him in episode 4. It's a lame excuse.

    I'm hoping he's got a bigger role next episode. He was built up a lot and if they're just going to lazily squash him out of the plot I'll be immensely disappointed.
    ClemRox posted: »

    It's Telltale being lazy, because Nick can die in episode 2, and if he doesn't, Telltale has to make him in the next episode. I was surprised he didn't die in this episode...

  • He's a determinant character. That means he's either going to largely vanish into the background or die gruesomely soon. He's probably disconcerted by the axe hanging over his head.
  • edited May 2014
    Yes, he's by far one of the most popular characters of season 2, and there's still a lot of room for his character to develop. I honestly can't see how things will go from episode 3, but I sure hope he gains more plot relevance soon.

    I forgot to mention in my original post it's really odd that when Reggie brings up Uncle Pete, Nick doesn't say anything. At all. Not even a solemn look on his face, he just stands there. Rebecca was the one who showed the most emotion about it. smh
    skoothz posted: »

    After the beautiful characterization he's gotten in the first two episodes, it's almost a sin how they've dropped him. The majority of the fandom really loves him so I don't get how it makes any sense.

  • Nick lost his uncle and he thought he might have lost his best friend in under 2 weeks. Of course he was going to talk less and be a little sadder.
  • edited May 2014
    I posted a thread on this same topic. I don't think it's lazy writing, as much as Nick's personality being given a pleasantly surprising turnaround. If you compare Nick's behaviour in this episode to his nihilistic monologue in the shed at the beginning of episode 2, you'd be amazed at how much his attitude has changed. I don't know if it has anything to do with Clem giving Pete's old watch to Nick, as it's determinant, but I prefer to think so.

    Come to think of it, that might be a good angle Telltale could use for Nick's "arc": While everyone else becomes increasingly gloomy, Nick goes through an opposite transformation. By the time he ultimately dies, he's one of the only characters left who still believes things will work out for the best.
  • The little chat he had with Clem, that "Us Guys" moment where he expresses Luke is most certainly still out to help them, I thought that was fine, but after that? He is just there to echo Luke's words and that's it. He got a cute line with Kenny, but it is of no real consequence.

    Honestly, I kind of feel like they wrote out the episode, realized they forgot to write Nick into it, so just threw him in and tried to find

  • edited May 2014
    That's the problem, they built the character up until he became a fan's favorite and then dumped him like a piece of junk.

    I hope he gets to shine again on 204 and 205
  • I noticed that as well, it really bothered me!
    sayakamiki posted: »

    Yes, he's by far one of the most popular characters of season 2, and there's still a lot of room for his character to develop. I honestly ca

  • But the point is that he DIDN'T seem sad, at least as not as sad as he seemed last episode. He just sits up in bed and gushes about how great Luke is like a schoolboy with a crush, and then we don't get much from him again.

    Nick lost his uncle and he thought he might have lost his best friend in under 2 weeks. Of course he was going to talk less and be a little sadder.

  • But we never see what actually caused that epiphany, which is what bothers me.

    I posted a thread on this same topic. I don't think it's lazy writing, as much as Nick's personality being given a pleasantly surprising tur

  • I don't believe it was an immediate epiphany, but you can pick up hints throughout episode 2. Note how oddly peaceful Nick seemed while he was talking with Clem outside the station house, or the expression on Nick's face after Walter shot the zombie that was about to take a bite out of him. The progression is there, it's just subtle.
    skoothz posted: »

    But we never see what actually caused that epiphany, which is what bothers me.

  • But my point is that there's no cause to it. I sure as hell don't think killing Matthew did it.

    I don't believe it was an immediate epiphany, but you can pick up hints throughout episode 2. Note how oddly peaceful Nick seemed while he w

  • edited May 2014
    Killing Matthew didn't cause it, no, but telling Nick to come clean with Walter leads to a very touching scene where Nick practically pours his soul out to the man, even knowing he's armed with a nasty-looking knife. I think Nick's epiphany (if you want to call it that) occurred when Matthew spared his life. From that moment on, Nick knew he should have rightfully died, but he didn't. That kind of brush with death would warrant a major overhaul in one's outlook, IMO.
    skoothz posted: »

    But my point is that there's no cause to it. I sure as hell don't think killing Matthew did it.

  • Well, they sure do look like a match.
  • I never thought of it in that way. That's very insightful.

    Killing Matthew didn't cause it, no, but telling Nick to come clean with Walter leads to a very touching scene where Nick practically pours

  • Nick clearly thinks so.

    Well, they sure do look like a match.

  • I was disappointed with Nick in this episode, but Alvin's moments made up for it, at least to me. I'm so happy Alvin actually got a great other ending instead of just Clementine sneaking into the office and seeing him dead. But I hope in the next episode, Nick gets more attention and doesn't just die right away.
  • Nice... I can totally see that being the case, but I'd like some more interactions with Nick that show that; either through optional conversations (not gonna happen) or reflected with his actions in the next episode.

    Killing Matthew didn't cause it, no, but telling Nick to come clean with Walter leads to a very touching scene where Nick practically pours

  • I agree. Alvin's last moment in this episode got me choked up. I was worried that he was going to come back as a walker for a second though.

    I was disappointed with Nick in this episode, but Alvin's moments made up for it, at least to me. I'm so happy Alvin actually got a great ot

  • Alvin had an AWESOME death scene. I got choked up a lot during the episode but him telling Clem to take care of his girls was when I first started crying. I was expecting him to turn into a walker and attack her, but it was so much better. They did a good job with his last moments.

    I was disappointed with Nick in this episode, but Alvin's moments made up for it, at least to me. I'm so happy Alvin actually got a great ot

  • I loved the little gun comment. He was a funny, great guy. And I for sure thought that guy who came in killed him, but when Alvin shot back I was like HELLL YAA YOU GO BOO
    skoothz posted: »

    Alvin had an AWESOME death scene. I got choked up a lot during the episode but him telling Clem to take care of his girls was when I first s

  • What a charming picture...

    Lmao the sun shines out of Luke's asshole.

  • Don't be a creep.
    Rock114 posted: »

    What a charming picture...

  • Like dis if u cry evrytiem...
  • Telltale probably has something great in store for him
  • Thank you.
    skoothz posted: »

    Don't be a creep.

  • Maybe Clem was supposed to get him killed. O_O
  • Nooooo, don't say that! We promised Uncle Pete we'd look after him!
    Scytheslay posted: »

    Maybe Clem was supposed to get him killed. O_O

  • You're welcome. You should be allowed to use a picture of yourself as your avatar without having to deal with creepy advances.

    Thank you.

  • I sure hope so!
    iorek21 posted: »

    Telltale probably has something great in store for him

  • What? I meant the mental picture of stuff coming out of Luke's ass (in a sarcastic way), not WtW's avatar. Sorry if it came across that way. Reading over it again... yeah, it was kind of creepy in that context. I wasn't trying to make any advances on anyone.
    skoothz posted: »

    You're welcome. You should be allowed to use a picture of yourself as your avatar without having to deal with creepy advances.

  • That's okay, I'm not mad at you. =)
    Rock114 posted: »

    What? I meant the mental picture of stuff coming out of Luke's ass (in a sarcastic way), not WtW's avatar. Sorry if it came across that way.

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