Ep. 2 Carver vs EP. 3 Carver
As you may had noticed Carver changed between this two episodes i didnt liked him in ep2 as a person but yes like a villian he was smart and evil but now in ep 3 he is not as clever as in ep 2 and this gap seems to have been filled with more evil cause i really did heated this episode , how he made Carlos slap Sarah , how he killed Reggie,how he beated up Kenny and Alvin he was just insane .
Which Carver do you like the must i dont really know cause i like clever villians but the way he makes me hate him in this episode is just incredible.
EDIT:i also noticed they never explain why Carver was so unestable it was just like "He is evil just cause" i expected them to explain why he became like that cause he seemed like a dictator that was going crazy
Which Carver do you like the must i dont really know cause i like clever villians but the way he makes me hate him in this episode is just incredible.
EDIT:i also noticed they never explain why Carver was so unestable it was just like "He is evil just cause" i expected them to explain why he became like that cause he seemed like a dictator that was going crazy
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THIS NEW GUY CALLED PIERRE SHORETTE NEVER PLAY WALKING DEAD I THINK...SEE THE PLOTHOLES OF EPISODE 3,EXAMPLE THE TIME THAT APPEAR LUKE IN EP 3(IF NICK DIE IN EP 2NEVER QUESTION WHAT HAPPEN WITH NICK....AND MUCH OTHERS BAD DECISIONS OF THIS WRITTER.
Episode 3 Carver was your typical psychopath villain, I didn't find him memorable at all.
When he reappeared at the lodge he had everyone right where he wanted them, so he could drop the act. He was straight to the point. He asked Carlos right off the bat, "Where's Rebecca?" He proceeded to use violence to get what he wanted.
When all went accordingly enough to plan, he brought them back to the camp where his true nature that Rebecca mentioned was revealed. He had sensible enough ideas, but horrible morals and a dreadful temper. Carver certainly left his mark on Clementine's and her friends' lives, especially depending on how the player had her behave around him.
Those that didn't like him in Ep3 just didn't like the exposition.
Socio/psychopaths are intelligent and charming when they need to be. That's what makes them so dangerous in the first place. They draw you in and by the time you realize they're insane (if you realize it) you're already under their spell or trapped physically.
Consider people in abusive relationships. How do they get there in the first place? They're drawn in by the mystery and intelligence.
In episode 3 he was nothing but a bully the entire time. Not once did he display any smarts or cunning. He was just your typical cocky bad guy, putting all the heroes together and just hoping they'd fall in line, and then acting like a cheesy ruthless dictator when they didn't. He even used the "we're not so different, you and I" trope, for god's sake. Plus, his "place of safety" is falling apart the whole time, walkers are getting in, and you just get the feeling this guy is an idiot on a power trip.
And even if he was just hiding his true nature behind (apparently faked) intelligence and mystery, then that still doesn't rectify what people were disappointed with. All it means then is that TellTale set him up to be interesting, and then decided to turn him into a walking cliche. Intentionally or unintentionally, it remains a damn shame.
Second, a plot hole is an inconsistent occurrence in the flow of logic that can ruin the story. How can Luke saying hi to Nick make the story better?
Third, I get that you're entitled to your own opinion about Pierre Shorette but don't say that he's a bad writer and not have any reasonable arguments to back it up.
...Pretty sure he broke two of Carlos's fingers. You know, the *doctor* he needed to deliver his child? How the hell was that "methodical?" It was just a brutal strong-arm tactic. Same with killing Walt and (in my game) Alvin.
Personally, all I got from Episode 2's portrayal of Carver was that he was great at manipulating people and getting inside their head. And that was demonstrated quite well by how he was able to have Reggie and Bonnie defending him despite all the shit he did. He talks about "forgiveness" and "love" to get people to think that by not killing them, he's doing them a favor. And that gives him a lot of control and leverage over his people. That was all he needed. I didn't expect some kind of evil genius out of him.
Also, the "place of safety" wasn't falling apart. The place of safety was the inside of the compound. It's only the expansion outside that's wasn't secure.
Carver is the wanderer, Bill is merely a maniac...
Also, the fact that he needed Carlos is why he chose him, because Rebecca knows full well that she needs Carlos too, as Alvin pointed out. It wasn't him taking out his rage issues on someone. It was brutal and unnecessary, of course, but it served his purpose, because going to look for them posed a problem as Johnny pointed out.
Maybe you interpreted it differently, and that's fine. But with all this in mind, I for one think there's a world of difference between that and the wide eyed psychopath fucking up Kenny and going way overboard just because he was pissed.
Killing Walt was in direct response to Kenny killing Johnny, and was also a tactic to get Kenny to surrender. Ditto Alvin, and Carver also points out the man that Alvin killed, so it could also be a matter of killing those who kill his own, including people already in your circle. Kind of like Rick's "you kill, you die" rule in the comic. Again, methodical and logical. Carver doesn't even go nuts on Kenny after he's killed Johnny and determinately shot him right in the arm. Why would he not fuck up Kenny there, but do it because Kenny was sneaking radios around? Answer: Because he was clearly changed between episodes 2 and 3.
I for one *was* expecting some kind of genius because that's the way TellTale was building him up. A man whose brutality is matched by his great intelligence that makes him a force to be reckoned with. Fast forward to episode 3, we got the guy on the ground at everyone's mercy, making cracks about Kenny's eye and telling Rebecca he'd shoot her and the baby before they left despite all the trouble he went through getting her back, and vilely telling Rebecca that he knew she enjoyed having sex with him (or rape, depending on how you read it). He just comes off like some drunk abusive husband after all the build up.
Edit: And you know, in retrospect, I actually would have enjoyed that if it came after an episode where he was outsmarting everyone and kept his general demeanor from the previous episode. It'd be nice to see him show his true colors *then*, instead of having it just be the same thing we got throughout the episode (just more wordy), because I actually did like that scene well enough for what it was. I enjoy when a leader has fallen in fiction and is reduced to ranting because he knows he's lost. It's just the context of it all that left something to be desired, at least for me.
Meh, I never got the impression that he had some great control over his people outside of simple fear and having muscle from blind idiots/similarly evil bastards to back him up. Basically, like others have said, he was just the Governor again. More specifically, season 3B Governor from the TV show, where he's acting like a psycho and talking about taking them all to war, and you just start to wonder why the hell anybody would follow someone who's clearly fucked in the head. Obviously, the justification is "because they're all stupid and easily led", which can work and does have precedence in the real world, but it lessens the threat of the leader if he doesn't ever come off as some kind of mastermind who knows to handle people rather than just scare them into complacency. But that's just my reading of it. Maybe I'll change my mind when I read the dialogue again more closely.
Fair enough point on the defenses, though considering how easy it was for the damn walkers to get into that comic shop, I'd say that a compromised outer defense can easily lead to serious problems for the inner safe areas. If a herd got through that and hung around, they'd be completely trapped until the defenses inevitably fell to the strength of the herd.
Actually there might be alot of things carver had in mind we don't know. Telltale could have explained it a bit better, but at least we can think of some reasons of carver to act like he did, despite being a psychopath.
Anybody else who thought that the writer of the episode had to cut it cause telltale games lacks the manpower to code more then around 90 minutes of gameplay in the given amount of time?
As for the cleverness, we really never got much indication of him being a highly intelligent man in Episode 2. He knew some chess moves and Carlos told Clementine he was very smart, but we never see much stupidity, or intelligence, from him in Episode 2 or 3. He just seems pretty average, though he has the management skills to run a community, and the psychological skills to break those down who don't agree with him.
Well, Carver didn't need Kenny. He needed Carlos. From his point of view, Kenny was the clear trouble-maker in the group trying to incite a revolution within his camp. By beating him to a bloody pulp and possibly putting him out of commission for a good long while, Carver would be able to exert his dominance and crush the group's morale. It almost worked too. You saw the way the group was breaking down after they realized that they might have to leave Kenny and Rebecca behind. The only reason it didn't work was because Kenny ended up being tougher than Carver anticipated.
> Carver doesn't even go nuts on Kenny after he's killed Johnny and determinately shot him right in the arm. Why would he not fuck up Kenny there, but do it because Kenny was sneaking radios around?
Because he was kind of a dumb villain back then as well. It was *clearly* in his best interest to kill Kenny right then and there, both from a retributive standpoint and a logical standpoint. Kenny was clearly a threat to his power. he was headstrong and couldn't be reasoned with. Carver had no reason to keep him alive.