Kind of, I just think people should understand why he is the way he are.
You know what I mean?
Then Luke have weak sides, and I don't like that he's showing it.
1. What do you mean? I thought Clem was the one that reset the turbine.
2. He DISTRACTED him, well he should get a medal for that one.
3.90%? I thought he was saying wing it? Because even Becca said it was dumb. It was Jane, Clem, and everyone else's plan really.
4. In my story, I offered Mike to do it, so I was a little more than pissed at him for that stunt.
5. Sure. I agree.
6. Well good for him, he "helped" with the plan he had nothing to do with.
7. What!? Clem took down Carver. Kenny just cool guy shot him after everything was done.
8. Kills Carver. Yup', but that's hardly what I would call a "helpfull" thing. He capped a man's face in after he was lying there like a log. Its funny, he can kill people when their already fairly fucked to begin with, but has lost every REAL fight in both games. St. John knocked him out, Lee wiped the floor with him, and Carver... well I guess that was more of a one-sided fist fight.
I don't know that we should ignore all the visual evidence from Season One, but..
1. Takes charge at Ski Lodge when the wind turbine go… morees out of control and power goes out
2. Distracts Reggie so Clem can scope out holding area.
3. 90% of the escape plan came from Kenny. The only thing added to it was covering themselves up with walker blood.
4. Was able to sneak Clem the radio basically right in front of Troy.
5. Takes the radio from Clem and turns himself into Carver in order to protect her. Almost pays with his life.
6. After getting knocked unconscious, losing an eye, and nearly getting beaten to death he is still fit enough to help the group escape.
7. Takes down Carver along with Clem and Luke
8. Kills Carver
He really screwed up at the ski lodge back in episode two, so he isn't without his faults, but overall he is generally a really useful guy.
As morally good as it would have been to leave Carver alive like Luke wanted, do you really think that was a viable option? Carver would have followed them to the end of the earth to get his revenge.
I actually am a girl and I think the complete opposite about Luke. Not saying your opinion is invalid, but not all girls are fans of Luke for his looks/personality, or fans of Luke at all(me) for that matter. If that's not what you were implying, my bad and I apologize in advance.
As a girl 'on the inside' in this situation, yes, I will shamelessly admit that! I believe he's a good guy at heart, and he hasn't stuffed up Ben-Like yet :P
Yeah, and I disagree with him on that too. More so about him suggesting they leave people, but still, i'm not exactly thrilled he wanted to stay. I took it as him being scared to leave, and he had every right to be scared, but when the pregnant woman and the one-eyed man who was nearly beaten to death are up for it... Well, that just doesn't make him look that great in comparison.
Actually, Luke was against leaving that night and suggested that they wait a few days for everyone to heal. Everyone was against Luke's idea… more of staying and letting people recover so he said that if they were to leave tonight then folks might have to be left behind and everyone was pissed at him. I repeat, Luke was against leaving that night.
Yes, and him suggesting they stay when the pregnant woman and one-eyed man are up for it doesn't make him look that great. Regardless, I'm not thrilled with how he dealt with the situation. I still like him, but... you, I'm judging him a bit.
I'm just going to copy paste here since the question is basically the same:
Yes, and him suggesting they stay when the pregnant woman and one-eyed man are up for it doesn't make him look that great. Regardless, I'm not thrilled with how he dealt with the situation. I still like him, but... you, I'm judging him a bit.
But Luke did suggest that the group should leave another day because Kenny and most people were in bad shape. But nobody agreed. Who could t… moreake care of Kenny and carry him through a herd of zombies and make sure everyone would be safe? They didn't even know where they were going.
If Kenny is as selfish as you imply, then why did he show me, as Lee, friendship after I had his back and supported him when our butt's were on the line?
If Kenny doesn't care about Clementine, why did he help me look for her?
If Kenny is as selfish as you say, then why did he try to help Ben, when Ben fell in the alley?
After all, Ben was the guy who got Kenny's family killed.
If Kenny doesn't care about her, then why when Clementine got back in the truck, Kenny frantically asked her if whether or not they hurt her?
If Kenny doesn't care about her, then why the hell did he get upset when Troy got rough with her?
If Kenny doesn't care about her, then why did he take the blame for the missing radio, as well as then taking such a horrendous beating for her?
In the light of these FACTS, what you are saying doesn't hold water.
And as far as Kenny being obsessed with finding a boat.
Kenny had just lost his ENTIRE family.
That's gonna screw anyone up!
And his finding a boat is what gave him purpose.
When Kenny replied: "damned if I know," when asked if he knew where Clementine was, he had been drinking.
People, when under the influence of alcohol, often say things they don't mean.
As a recovering alcoholic, I can testify to that personally.
Yes, Kenny has massive faults.
But then again who doesn't?
NOBODY IS PERFECT!
The only place you'll find perfect is in the dictionary.
In order to to have friends, you have to be willing to put up with other's faults and opinions, even the ones that irritate you.
Remember, they're putting up with yours.
Why not focus on a person's good points, instead of their faults?
Not that you blind yourself to their faults, but you're just choosing not to focus on them.
I really don't think that Kenny would be a good guardian or even role model for Clem because once he comes up with a plan, he is unwilling t… moreo compromise or even consider a second plan in case the first one fails. In the first season he wanted to get a boat and wouldn't listen to anyone that said anything different. When he and Lee find that there are no boats, Lee suggests they figure out a "plan B" and Kenny instead of agreeing, says that getting a boat was the plan. Even after his plan didn't work out he was still unwilling to listen to anything else. When Lee gets to the house, Kenny is sitting on the couch drunk, Lee asks Kenny where Clem is and he basically says he doesn't care. I really don't understand why people think that Kenny is good for Clem. He is dangerous for any group he is with.
I would say that Kenny is the forced guardian figure, I love Kenny, but that he is her guardian (whenever someone likes it or not!) is pretty clear after last episode.
They were trying to watch out for their people. They got her out of the shed rather fast as well. If you eavesdrop on their talk in the kitchen long enough, you hear that Luke is the one suggestion/arguing that they can't let her stay out there in the shed and that this is not right. Just saying.
Luke has messed up. Luke is not perfect.
He is getting A LOT of unjustly hate though.
What disturbs me is that he's a forced guardian figure.
It's probably more unsettling than telltale intended it to be when I shut him d… moreown on every opportunity because of how he allowed me to be locked in that shed with a gaping wound, and yet he's unrelenting in trying to bond with Clementine and create a paternal friendship which is completely unprovoked on my end.
He was just trying to be considerate, he thought it would be best to leave when everyone was in good shape. I mean they have two children, one seriously injured and one pregnant. I don't understand why that would make him look "not that great". Not everyone is a badass! And now the result is, Carlos got killed, Sarita got bit and Sarah missing. If they planned it well, they could steal cars, food, weapons and some medial supplies for Kenny!
I'm just going to copy paste here since the question is basically the same:
Yes, and him suggesting they stay when the pregnant woman a… morend one-eyed man are up for it doesn't make him look that great. Regardless, I'm not thrilled with how he dealt with the situation. I still like him, but... you, I'm judging him a bit.
I actually am a girl and I think the complete opposite about Luke. Not saying your opinion is invalid, but not all girls are fans of Luke fo… morer his looks/personality, or fans of Luke at all(me) for that matter. If that's not what you were implying, my bad and I apologize in advance.
Kenny is not suitable to take care of anyone. Every episode he shows how much he is going off the rails. What he did to Carver illustrated why I dont want him around Clementine, at least not alone.
Out of everyone, I think Kenny is really the only one suitable to take care of her. That being said, I don't think Clem needs another guardian figure at this point.
Im not sure what you expect him to do more than what he has done. He followed a moving truck on foot for a day with no food, no sleep, and probably sick with fear. He is loyal and trying his best to help his people. Thats more than I can say for some.
He's an attractive younger guy whom seems like he has a good head on his shoulders. That's why I think many here is in love with his charact… moreer. I personally agree with you. I don't know why his character is so popular, besides the reasons I've stated. As of now he hasn't done much to really show his "worth" I guess, plus he's always running off. First when Carver showed up, and know it seems like he's going to do it again in episode 4. IMO his character is overrated and uninteresting.
I have to agree with OP. His "stealth and infiltration" stuff in Episode 3 when he appeared out of nowhere in a 24/h heavily guarded camp made him just annoying to me honestly.
No one can replace Lee, but he has pulled his weight. He broke into Carver's compound, he vouched for you at the cabin (after throwing Clem on the ground), and even when Carver, the antagonist, lay bloodied and beaten, he did not want him to kill him (some respect for Luke's humanity). But, I don't know, the way I play the game is very Machiavellian, so I act friendly, sweet and polite, but I don't trust anyone, including Luke.
i don't really like how he managed to get in. it's like kenny's "i just got lucky. my awesome mustache shielded me, as i ran through the horde." they just keep adding things in for the sake of plot, without proper explanations. now, what would be amusing to note is that the group of zombies that broke the window and attacked clem, kenny, and mike were let in because of luke pushing his way through the fence. ya know, that rickety lookin section as clem was carrying the bucket? i think i could get behind that, atleast.
No one can replace Lee, but he has pulled his weight. He broke into Carver's compound, he vouched for you at the cabin (after throwing Clem … moreon the ground), and even when Carver, the antagonist, lay bloodied and beaten, he did not want him to kill him (some respect for Luke's humanity). But, I don't know, the way I play the game is very Machiavellian, so I act friendly, sweet and polite, but I don't trust anyone, including Luke.
Im not sure what you expect him to do more than what he has done. He followed a moving truck on foot for a day with no food, no sleep, and p… morerobably sick with fear. He is loyal and trying his best to help his people. Thats more than I can say for some.
I'm a Luke "hater" because I'm giving one simple legitimate criticism of his character? Awesome. I'm glad that you're taking such an objective stance on this topic.
Who was ever saying that he was too perfect? Not sure what anyone could even base that stance on, because he is far from perfect. His mistake in episode 3 isn't the only issue people have with him.
I have never been on board the Luke hype train. I was waiting to get on board this last episode, but his screw up just pushed me farther away.
Luke haters before Ep. 3: I don't like Luke because he's too perfect.
Luke haters after Ep. 3: How dare he make a mistake?!? He's useless!!!11!!
Go figure.
I think the guy is full of good intentions, but he honestly just can't seem to get anything done right. Hopefully he can redeem himself a little bit in the upcoming episodes.
No one can replace Lee, but he has pulled his weight. He broke into Carver's compound, he vouched for you at the cabin (after throwing Clem … moreon the ground), and even when Carver, the antagonist, lay bloodied and beaten, he did not want him to kill him (some respect for Luke's humanity). But, I don't know, the way I play the game is very Machiavellian, so I act friendly, sweet and polite, but I don't trust anyone, including Luke.
actually, from episode 1 i've seen alot of people say they didn't like him because he seemed "too perfect". like the sort of guy TTG would want you to look to and like, so that they could use him to screw with you later and make you regret it. i have more reasons than that to not like him, but i thought that the guy being one of 2 decent people in an entire group was just a little to convenient. then pete was bit, and it was down to luke. all the strange things him and the rest of the group kept expecting clem to be able to do, the way they constantly hid things from her, or avoiding actually telling her... how the hell was clem safer with them now that carver knew she had been with them? can't remember if it was luke or carlos that had said that one, i think that may have been carlos.
I'm a Luke "hater" because I'm giving one simple legitimate criticism of his character? Awesome. I'm glad that you're taking such an objecti… moreve stance on this topic.
Who was ever saying that he was too perfect? Not sure what anyone could even base that stance on, because he is far from perfect. His mistake in episode 3 isn't the only issue people have with him.
I have never been on board the Luke hype train. I was waiting to get on board this last episode, but his screw up just pushed me farther away.
What might have happened if they stayed though. Remember what Carver said, "We'll try this again tomorrow"? Yeah... He may have been trying to be considerate, but they really couldn't have stayed there.
He was just trying to be considerate, he thought it would be best to leave when everyone was in good shape. I mean they have two children, o… morene seriously injured and one pregnant. I don't understand why that would make him look "not that great". Not everyone is a badass! And now the result is, Carlos got killed, Sarita got bit and Sarah missing. If they planned it well, they could steal cars, food, weapons and some medial supplies for Kenny!
I to share the same feelings towards Luke. It isn't a very popular opinion around here and I have expressed my dislike for his character around here more than a few times. Lee can never be replaced that's a fact and if you are going to try and replace Lee at least use someone that is likable and a good role model for her.
Luke has not backed Clem up much in any episode yet he thinks they should be 'best friends'. He feels like he has the right to be her guardian like they have some kind of bond? If you say you want to stay with Kenny, Luke has some spaz attack and thinks you should be all like "Yeah Luke you've done so fuckin' much for me, lets be together forever. Besties!".
The only two people that have earned the right to protect and raise Clem are Kenny and Christa. I know people start saying "You have to move on from the past blah blah blah" but that's not the case. If Luke even wants a remote chance of looking after Clem he is going to have to start pulling his own weight.
We know nothing of Luke other than he is a 'nice guy' which I don't even think is true. That wavey haired turd wanted to leave Kenny behind after he took a beating for him. I'm sure Luke would of been the first one in Carvers sights when the beating came down then he has the fuckin' nerve to want to leave Kenny behind and his wife. Luke and his group are the reason they ended up in Carver's camp in the first place.
Also Luke seems to love his 'hikes' that's for sure. He took his tits off into the forest when the group is in danger by Carver and then shows up next episode like he's a fuckin' hero. Then in Ep4 preview he is on another 'hike' while the group is in danger. Why can't he grow some balls and stick around. He better start bucking it up or he's completely out of my good books.
So that's my honest opinion of Luke, hate it sure but I'm a stubborn ol' bastard and I'll stand my ground. I'm open to debate about it o3o
EDIT: Also I don't like how Telltale is forcing his character on us. He's becoming 'over-likable' and I really don't like that about him. As some people have said before like @Dragonleaf , Luke needs to start making hard decisions if he wants to survive and if he doesn't even have the balls to kill a vile man like Carver I am scared in what other choices he can and can't make.
actually, from episode 1 i've seen alot of people say they didn't like him because he seemed "too perfect". like the sort of guy TTG would w… moreant you to look to and like, so that they could use him to screw with you later and make you regret it. i have more reasons than that to not like him, but i thought that the guy being one of 2 decent people in an entire group was just a little to convenient. then pete was bit, and it was down to luke. all the strange things him and the rest of the group kept expecting clem to be able to do, the way they constantly hid things from her, or avoiding actually telling her... how the hell was clem safer with them now that carver knew she had been with them? can't remember if it was luke or carlos that had said that one, i think that may have been carlos.
I to share the same feelings towards Luke. It isn't a very popular opinion around here and I have expressed my dislike for his character aro… moreund here more than a few times. Lee can never be replaced that's a fact and if you are going to try and replace Lee at least use someone that is likable and a good role model for her.
Luke has not backed Clem up much in any episode yet he thinks they should be 'best friends'. He feels like he has the right to be her guardian like they have some kind of bond? If you say you want to stay with Kenny, Luke has some spaz attack and thinks you should be all like "Yeah Luke you've done so fuckin' much for me, lets be together forever. Besties!".
The only two people that have earned the right to protect and raise Clem are Kenny and Christa. I know people start saying "You have to move on from the past blah blah blah" but that's not the case. If Luke even wants a remote chance of looking after Clem he is goin… [view original content]
Kenny is not suitable to take care of anyone. Every episode he shows how much he is going off the rails. What he did to Carver illustrated why I dont want him around Clementine, at least not alone.
I'm sure I said that in another thread a while ago. I am completely happy to debate about these issues, I'm mean this is a forum for Christ sake if you join you should be willing to debate and I accept other people have different opinions but disliking a post without backing it up with an opinion is just annoying :/
he's an extremely likable character. looks, charisma, nice, and seems to like clem and treats her as an adult, when it's convenient and doesn't involve actually telling her anything she should probably know. for most people, that makes him out to be the one great guy in a group full of pricks and idiots. that's how he was made to be. some people just didn't like that kind of obvious set-up, others did or just took him at face value. which side has the right of it we have yet to see, but hopefully they make a decent show of it, either way.
They never knew what would happen if they chose to leave that night or stay longer. They never knew which choice would be more dangerous. Maybe Carver wouldn't do anything, who knows? And you think who would be more likely to get beaten or killed by Carver? That would be Luke whom Carver considered him as a traitor and a threat to his power. But Luke thought it would be safer for everyone to rest up before running into a herd. It's not wrong to have a different perspective and he didn't even mean to leave Kenny behind. It's just the reality that nobody was capable of taking care of him at that time.
What might have happened if they stayed though. Remember what Carver said, "We'll try this again tomorrow"? Yeah... He may have been trying to be considerate, but they really couldn't have stayed there.
1. I never said anything about resetting the turbine. Kenny was the one who got everyone moving and directed people. He took charge.
2. Why are you downplaying it? I'm simply listing what he has done to be useful. Distracting Reggie was useful.
3. He never said to "wing" it. Go back and play the scene again, or watch a video. The only part of the plan that wasn't his was covering themselves up with Walker blood in order to get through the herd. That part of the plan came from Jane. Kenny's initially wanted to gun their way through/improvise... and that's what they probably ended up doing anyway after everything went to hell while walking through the herd.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-Ltu-yhGm4
Conversation starts at 51:36. 54:06-54:13 is when Kenny fleshes out the whole plan.
4. You were pissed that Kenny trusted you to do something? Ok. The point still stands that he was able to sneak you the radio so you could go do what you needed to do.
6. The plan had basically everything to do with Kenny, as explained above.
7. If no one would have done anything after Clem jumps on Carver/shoots him, Carver would have recovered. Kenny and Luke took him down after Clem surprised him.
8. Someone needed to do it. I'm not even talking about HOW he did it. If the group would have gone with Luke's plan, Carver simply would have gone after them after he was freed from being tied up.
Your examples of Kenny losing fights are ridiculous. Kenny getting beaten down by Lee is determinant, it's possible to lose to him. It all depends on the player. Regardless, Lee is a certified bad ass. There isn't any shame in losing to him. Andy had a freaking rifle, Kenny had like half a second to charge him before getting dropped. It's not even fair to bring that up.
1. What do you mean? I thought Clem was the one that reset the turbine.
2. He DISTRACTED him, well he should get a medal for that one.
3… more.90%? I thought he was saying wing it? Because even Becca said it was dumb. It was Jane, Clem, and everyone else's plan really.
4. In my story, I offered Mike to do it, so I was a little more than pissed at him for that stunt.
5. Sure. I agree.
6. Well good for him, he "helped" with the plan he had nothing to do with.
7. What!? Clem took down Carver. Kenny just cool guy shot him after everything was done.
8. Kills Carver. Yup', but that's hardly what I would call a "helpfull" thing. He capped a man's face in after he was lying there like a log. Its funny, he can kill people when their already fairly fucked to begin with, but has lost every REAL fight in both games. St. John knocked him out, Lee wiped the floor with him, and Carver... well I guess that was more of a one-sided fist fight.
If you think about it, its probably been more than a day because the group was traveling through the woods where it would not be possible for a vehicle to follow. So with that consideration, and an assumption or two, like: Carver's group having to backtrack through the 5 days of wilderness, and X number of hours (or even days) to travel back to their camp with vehicles; in reality, Luke has been traveling on foot for probably a week straight without sleep and food. From personal experience when I've been up for 4-5 days straight and I was pretty much acting like Luke when Clem spoke with him... rather loopy and not quite all there.
If this were the case then Luke is extremely loyal and dedicated to the group.
Im not sure what you expect him to do more than what he has done. He followed a moving truck on foot for a day with no food, no sleep, and p… morerobably sick with fear. He is loyal and trying his best to help his people. Thats more than I can say for some.
Yes, its me, the girl with the ridiculous comfession above, but I do have something of substance to say, and that is wait for a bit. Weve known Kenny from day one, weve seen him do dumb things and good things, Luke, however, we've seen him for half of episode one, and half of episode three.
Yeah, Luke doesnt have the balls for a lot of things, but lets not forget Kenny running away when we were trying to save Shawn! Kenny moved from that and LEARNED to become the badass he is now. Give Luke a chance, I hope we will get a transformation like Kennys!
I to share the same feelings towards Luke. It isn't a very popular opinion around here and I have expressed my dislike for his character aro… moreund here more than a few times. Lee can never be replaced that's a fact and if you are going to try and replace Lee at least use someone that is likable and a good role model for her.
Luke has not backed Clem up much in any episode yet he thinks they should be 'best friends'. He feels like he has the right to be her guardian like they have some kind of bond? If you say you want to stay with Kenny, Luke has some spaz attack and thinks you should be all like "Yeah Luke you've done so fuckin' much for me, lets be together forever. Besties!".
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Sure I'm trying to give him time, I mean I can tip my hat to the guy for following us for 3 days without getting any shut eye or food. He proved me wrong on the fact that I thought he just scattered and left the group in the hands of Carver although I don't know why he didn't take immediate action.
I have to confess, like you, that Luke is a cutie, he is a joker and he is soft hearted, these are the things that cause weakness and that's not what we need to survive this shit. Like Kenny says If you try and help Larry "I'm the guy who couldn't stand to watch the family dog get put down but if we wanna survive this shit, we gotta have the balls to do the hard thing, or at least one of us has got to"
I think Kenny is that guy
But yeah I get what you mean, I'm still giving Luke a chance but I'm sorta on my wits end with him.
Nice arguement, I see what you mean!
Yes, its me, the girl with the ridiculous comfession above, but I do have something of substance t… moreo say, and that is wait for a bit. Weve known Kenny from day one, weve seen him do dumb things and good things, Luke, however, we've seen him for half of episode one, and half of episode three.
Yeah, Luke doesnt have the balls for a lot of things, but lets not forget Kenny running away when we were trying to save Shawn! Kenny moved from that and LEARNED to become the badass he is now. Give Luke a chance, I hope we will get a transformation like Kennys!
Alvin wasn't really a guardian figure. He proved himself to be pretty useless most of the time, then asked Clem to lie for him in order to protect his own. He was weak and selfish unless you got him to live until Ep. 3 to redeem himself. (And even then, I think it turns out better without him.)
I agree with everything you said, but I never really considered Alvin a true guardian figure. He was a nice man who was good to Clem, but he… more was mostly concerned with Rebecca. He would have been too distracted with the new baby and Rebecca to really pan out as a guardian. I think Kenny has really accepted that role. I do think it's going to get to the point where Clementine won't need or want a guardian figure. She's really maturing and coming into her own. I mean look at what she did in the last episode. I'd say she's the one taking care of the group more than the other way around. Without Clem, they would have been in a really bad situation. Just a thought.
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Then Luke have weak sides, and I don't like that he's showing it.
2. He DISTRACTED him, well he should get a medal for that one.
3.90%? I thought he was saying wing it? Because even Becca said it was dumb. It was Jane, Clem, and everyone else's plan really.
4. In my story, I offered Mike to do it, so I was a little more than pissed at him for that stunt.
5. Sure. I agree.
6. Well good for him, he "helped" with the plan he had nothing to do with.
7. What!? Clem took down Carver. Kenny just cool guy shot him after everything was done.
8. Kills Carver. Yup', but that's hardly what I would call a "helpfull" thing. He capped a man's face in after he was lying there like a log. Its funny, he can kill people when their already fairly fucked to begin with, but has lost every REAL fight in both games. St. John knocked him out, Lee wiped the floor with him, and Carver... well I guess that was more of a one-sided fist fight.
Yes, and him suggesting they stay when the pregnant woman and one-eyed man are up for it doesn't make him look that great. Regardless, I'm not thrilled with how he dealt with the situation. I still like him, but... you, I'm judging him a bit.
If Kenny doesn't care about Clementine, why did he help me look for her?
If Kenny is as selfish as you say, then why did he try to help Ben, when Ben fell in the alley?
After all, Ben was the guy who got Kenny's family killed.
If Kenny doesn't care about her, then why when Clementine got back in the truck, Kenny frantically asked her if whether or not they hurt her?
If Kenny doesn't care about her, then why the hell did he get upset when Troy got rough with her?
If Kenny doesn't care about her, then why did he take the blame for the missing radio, as well as then taking such a horrendous beating for her?
In the light of these FACTS, what you are saying doesn't hold water.
And as far as Kenny being obsessed with finding a boat.
Kenny had just lost his ENTIRE family.
That's gonna screw anyone up!
And his finding a boat is what gave him purpose.
When Kenny replied: "damned if I know," when asked if he knew where Clementine was, he had been drinking.
People, when under the influence of alcohol, often say things they don't mean.
As a recovering alcoholic, I can testify to that personally.
Yes, Kenny has massive faults.
But then again who doesn't?
NOBODY IS PERFECT!
The only place you'll find perfect is in the dictionary.
In order to to have friends, you have to be willing to put up with other's faults and opinions, even the ones that irritate you.
Remember, they're putting up with yours.
Why not focus on a person's good points, instead of their faults?
Not that you blind yourself to their faults, but you're just choosing not to focus on them.
They were trying to watch out for their people. They got her out of the shed rather fast as well. If you eavesdrop on their talk in the kitchen long enough, you hear that Luke is the one suggestion/arguing that they can't let her stay out there in the shed and that this is not right. Just saying.
Luke has messed up. Luke is not perfect.
He is getting A LOT of unjustly hate though.
Luke haters after Ep. 3: How dare he make a mistake?!? He's useless!!!11!!
Go figure.
Who was ever saying that he was too perfect? Not sure what anyone could even base that stance on, because he is far from perfect. His mistake in episode 3 isn't the only issue people have with him.
I have never been on board the Luke hype train. I was waiting to get on board this last episode, but his screw up just pushed me farther away.
Luke has not backed Clem up much in any episode yet he thinks they should be 'best friends'. He feels like he has the right to be her guardian like they have some kind of bond? If you say you want to stay with Kenny, Luke has some spaz attack and thinks you should be all like "Yeah Luke you've done so fuckin' much for me, lets be together forever. Besties!".
The only two people that have earned the right to protect and raise Clem are Kenny and Christa. I know people start saying "You have to move on from the past blah blah blah" but that's not the case. If Luke even wants a remote chance of looking after Clem he is going to have to start pulling his own weight.
We know nothing of Luke other than he is a 'nice guy' which I don't even think is true. That wavey haired turd wanted to leave Kenny behind after he took a beating for him. I'm sure Luke would of been the first one in Carvers sights when the beating came down then he has the fuckin' nerve to want to leave Kenny behind and his wife. Luke and his group are the reason they ended up in Carver's camp in the first place.
Also Luke seems to love his 'hikes' that's for sure. He took his tits off into the forest when the group is in danger by Carver and then shows up next episode like he's a fuckin' hero. Then in Ep4 preview he is on another 'hike' while the group is in danger. Why can't he grow some balls and stick around. He better start bucking it up or he's completely out of my good books.
So that's my honest opinion of Luke, hate it sure but I'm a stubborn ol' bastard and I'll stand my ground. I'm open to debate about it o3o
EDIT: Also I don't like how Telltale is forcing his character on us. He's becoming 'over-likable' and I really don't like that about him. As some people have said before like @Dragonleaf , Luke needs to start making hard decisions if he wants to survive and if he doesn't even have the balls to kill a vile man like Carver I am scared in what other choices he can and can't make.
Just because he got his revenge on Carver doesn't mean he is going off the rails.
2. Why are you downplaying it? I'm simply listing what he has done to be useful. Distracting Reggie was useful.
3. He never said to "wing" it. Go back and play the scene again, or watch a video. The only part of the plan that wasn't his was covering themselves up with Walker blood in order to get through the herd. That part of the plan came from Jane. Kenny's initially wanted to gun their way through/improvise... and that's what they probably ended up doing anyway after everything went to hell while walking through the herd.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-Ltu-yhGm4
Conversation starts at 51:36. 54:06-54:13 is when Kenny fleshes out the whole plan.
4. You were pissed that Kenny trusted you to do something? Ok. The point still stands that he was able to sneak you the radio so you could go do what you needed to do.
6. The plan had basically everything to do with Kenny, as explained above.
7. If no one would have done anything after Clem jumps on Carver/shoots him, Carver would have recovered. Kenny and Luke took him down after Clem surprised him.
8. Someone needed to do it. I'm not even talking about HOW he did it. If the group would have gone with Luke's plan, Carver simply would have gone after them after he was freed from being tied up.
Your examples of Kenny losing fights are ridiculous. Kenny getting beaten down by Lee is determinant, it's possible to lose to him. It all depends on the player. Regardless, Lee is a certified bad ass. There isn't any shame in losing to him. Andy had a freaking rifle, Kenny had like half a second to charge him before getting dropped. It's not even fair to bring that up.
If this were the case then Luke is extremely loyal and dedicated to the group.
Yes, its me, the girl with the ridiculous comfession above, but I do have something of substance to say, and that is wait for a bit. Weve known Kenny from day one, weve seen him do dumb things and good things, Luke, however, we've seen him for half of episode one, and half of episode three.
Yeah, Luke doesnt have the balls for a lot of things, but lets not forget Kenny running away when we were trying to save Shawn! Kenny moved from that and LEARNED to become the badass he is now. Give Luke a chance, I hope we will get a transformation like Kennys!
I have to confess, like you, that Luke is a cutie, he is a joker and he is soft hearted, these are the things that cause weakness and that's not what we need to survive this shit. Like Kenny says If you try and help Larry "I'm the guy who couldn't stand to watch the family dog get put down but if we wanna survive this shit, we gotta have the balls to do the hard thing, or at least one of us has got to"
I think Kenny is that guy
But yeah I get what you mean, I'm still giving Luke a chance but I'm sorta on my wits end with him.