Yes, that's because he's a psychopath. Once a psychopath has you trapped and cut off from your entire support net, they show their true colours. Do your research.
Google "psychopaths in abusive relationships" and do a little reading. You'll quickly recognize all of the behaviours that Carver exhibited are classic psychopathy.
The people who are disappointed are likely too young for this game in the first place and don't have enough life experience to recognize psychopathic behavior when they see it.
Sure, he's the same character, in name and role as a leader of a community, but his characterization is without a doubt very different. In e… morepisode 2 he was portrayed and talked about as a smart, cunning man, as shown by his instant notice of how many moves it would take to win the chess game (though it's funny in hindsight that since the chess pieces shown to us actually don't reflect the winning move he specified, it seems like he's just making shit up, even though that was obviously not the intention). Not once did he fly off the handle and mutilate someone in a blind rage, or even kill them for no reason. He was methodical every step of the way.
In episode 3 he was nothing but a bully the entire time. Not once did he display any smarts or cunning. He was just your typical cocky bad guy, putting all the heroes together and just hoping they'd fall in line, and then acting like a cheesy ruthless dictator when they didn't. He even used th… [view original content]
Good explanation for the Kenny beating and its effects, but I still consider it a different look at Carver from the previous episode. While there's no question that he was doing horrible things to this group even then, it's worth pointing out how there were all those questions as to who was really in the wrong and whether the group had wronged Carver somehow. In other words, Carver came off as much less of a straight up bad guy. You could almost see shades of gray to him, even if he was an asshole, but we had to wait and see. Then episode 3 just shatters all of that with a villain that no longer has that complex potential that people saw in him. We were just meant to think of him as the lowest monster.
> Because he was kind of a dumb villain back then as well. It was *clearly* in his best interest to kill Kenny right then and there, both from a retributive standpoint and a logical standpoint. Kenny was clearly a threat to his power. he was headstrong and couldn't be reasoned with. Carver had no reason to keep him alive.
I think that's a little more information than Carver would be able to discern at that point. He'd never met Kenny, didn't know who he was, and for all he knew, he was just a dude with a gun. Being a good shot doesn't necessarily make you a loose cannon that can't be trusted to assimilate into your camp. It's also worth pointing out that there's nothing to suggest Carver would have killed anybody had Kenny not taken that shot. He was intending on taking them back alive. While villainous in nature, there is still a degree of mercy to that. It seemed like he put a lot more stock into building up his community then destroying all those who opposed him. Of course, none of that matters now, but it's interesting to look back on the impressions he gave the audience.
> But with all this in mind, I for one think there's a world of difference between that and the wide eyed psychopath fucking up Kenny and… more going way overboard just because he was pissed.
Well, Carver didn't need Kenny. He needed Carlos. From his point of view, Kenny was the clear trouble-maker in the group trying to incite a revolution within his camp. By beating him to a bloody pulp and possibly putting him out of commission for a good long while, Carver would be able to exert his dominance and crush the group's morale. It almost worked too. You saw the way the group was breaking down after they realized that they might have to leave Kenny and Rebecca behind. The only reason it didn't work was because Kenny ended up being tougher than Carver anticipated.
> Carver doesn't even go nuts on Kenny after he's killed Johnny and determinately shot him right in the arm. Why would he not fuck up Kenny there, but do it because Kenny was … [view original content]
Just curious, but is there any reason why they have different writers for every episode? I feel that maybe the story would stay more consistent with one or two writers working on all the episodes.
Yeah, drop the condescension, if you please. No one is impressed.
Here's what you seem to be ignoring: The issue is not that it was unrealistic that Carver was hiding an asshole side of himself or displays signs of classic psychopathy. I'm pretty sure most people can accept that possibility just fine. The issue is that he was clearly changed (from a writing standpoint) to be your basic average villain who fits all the cliches, despite his persona in the second episode clearly getting a good reception because he *didn't* seem like your basic average psychopath. It's what made him compelling in the first place. But then it turned out he *was* just your basic average psychopath. I don't care if it's realistic or not, it's boring and a disappointment to those who were hoping for more shades of gray given all the mystery surrounding not only Carver, but the entire cabin group.
Those of us who are disappointed wanted a better story. Those who are not disappointed are happy with the story. Nothing more, nothing less. We wanted something that may not necessarily be new and original, since that's largely impossible these days, but something that stands out from the many. A villain that had the potential to be really fascinating, and ultimately didn't live up to it. Age doesn't factor into it, and you'd have to be pretty up your own ass to think having your greater insight into the workings of the psychotic mind factored into it.
Yes, that's because he's a psychopath. Once a psychopath has you trapped and cut off from your entire support net, they show their true colo… moreurs. Do your research.
Google "psychopaths in abusive relationships" and do a little reading. You'll quickly recognize all of the behaviours that Carver exhibited are classic psychopathy.
The people who are disappointed are likely too young for this game in the first place and don't have enough life experience to recognize psychopathic behavior when they see it.
Episode 2 Carver: *looks at Chess Board* Hm. White's in Trouble.
Episode 3 Carver: *makes Carlos slap his own daughter* Now everyone get to work! (And don't betray me you ingrates)
I'm ignoring that because it's a non-issue and I've known enough sociopaths (even been drawn in by one) to realize they're never as interesting as they portray themselves to be.
He didn't change. He's the same as he always was. You were tricked by his charisma. You fell for it hook line and sinker.
That is good writing... When you fall for the tricks that a fictional psychopath uses. I'm sorry if the reality of the situation was not as interesting as you built it up in your head. People in abusive relationships feel the same way. They're definitely disappointed when they realize (often far too late) the charming man they fell for is nothing more than a base and brutal dictator.
Yeah, drop the condescension, if you please. No one is impressed.
Here's what you seem to be ignoring: The issue is not that it was unr… moreealistic that Carver was hiding an asshole side of himself or displays signs of classic psychopathy. I'm pretty sure most people can accept that possibility just fine. The issue is that he was clearly changed (from a writing standpoint) to be your basic average villain who fits all the cliches, despite his persona in the second episode clearly getting a good reception because he *didn't* seem like your basic average psychopath. It's what made him compelling in the first place. But then it turned out he *was* just your basic average psychopath. I don't care if it's realistic or not, it's boring and a disappointment to those who were hoping for more shades of gray given all the mystery surrounding not only Carver, but the entire cabin group.
Those of us who are disappointed wanted a better story. Those… [view original content]
Yes! Alvin's death was very sad. but he died fighting bravely! he gave me a juice box, to help me endure the pain to sew my arm. I'll never forget that! :'(
Yeah. I mean, I fucking hate Troy, but his death was hilarious. Also, yeah, I never thought i'd cry at Alvin's death. I was crying enough as it was then he said "Take care of my girls. I have a feeling it's gonna be a girl." I cried like a baby.
Yes! Alvin's death was very sad. but he died fighting bravely! he gave me a juice box, to help me endure the pain to sew my arm. I'll never forget that! :'(
yeah he was scary but he wasnt presented that way he was presented like an intelogent, calculator and violent man and now he is only violent but now they only left the violent part
i'm not even sure that that's the right point. the cabin group was obviously afraid of him and what he might do. we knew that he was a bad person. they also tried to build him up as smart, the chess thing was one, i think carlos mentioned it, and it was said again while talking about past herds that had gone by carver's camp. i think the real problem isn't that people were tricked, but that the writing fell short and just never portrayed the side of carver that was intended. so instead of getting a scene of character building with him trying to sway clem and build her into his little protege, all we got was a bunch of him beating the crap out of people and acting smug.
I'm ignoring that because it's a non-issue and I've known enough sociopaths (even been drawn in by one) to realize they're never as interest… moreing as they portray themselves to be.
He didn't change. He's the same as he always was. You were tricked by his charisma. You fell for it hook line and sinker.
That is good writing... When you fall for the tricks that a fictional psychopath uses. I'm sorry if the reality of the situation was not as interesting as you built it up in your head. People in abusive relationships feel the same way. They're definitely disappointed when they realize (often far too late) the charming man they fell for is nothing more than a base and brutal dictator.
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Google "psychopaths in abusive relationships" and do a little reading. You'll quickly recognize all of the behaviours that Carver exhibited are classic psychopathy.
The people who are disappointed are likely too young for this game in the first place and don't have enough life experience to recognize psychopathic behavior when they see it.
> Because he was kind of a dumb villain back then as well. It was *clearly* in his best interest to kill Kenny right then and there, both from a retributive standpoint and a logical standpoint. Kenny was clearly a threat to his power. he was headstrong and couldn't be reasoned with. Carver had no reason to keep him alive.
I think that's a little more information than Carver would be able to discern at that point. He'd never met Kenny, didn't know who he was, and for all he knew, he was just a dude with a gun. Being a good shot doesn't necessarily make you a loose cannon that can't be trusted to assimilate into your camp. It's also worth pointing out that there's nothing to suggest Carver would have killed anybody had Kenny not taken that shot. He was intending on taking them back alive. While villainous in nature, there is still a degree of mercy to that. It seemed like he put a lot more stock into building up his community then destroying all those who opposed him. Of course, none of that matters now, but it's interesting to look back on the impressions he gave the audience.
Here's what you seem to be ignoring: The issue is not that it was unrealistic that Carver was hiding an asshole side of himself or displays signs of classic psychopathy. I'm pretty sure most people can accept that possibility just fine. The issue is that he was clearly changed (from a writing standpoint) to be your basic average villain who fits all the cliches, despite his persona in the second episode clearly getting a good reception because he *didn't* seem like your basic average psychopath. It's what made him compelling in the first place. But then it turned out he *was* just your basic average psychopath. I don't care if it's realistic or not, it's boring and a disappointment to those who were hoping for more shades of gray given all the mystery surrounding not only Carver, but the entire cabin group.
Those of us who are disappointed wanted a better story. Those who are not disappointed are happy with the story. Nothing more, nothing less. We wanted something that may not necessarily be new and original, since that's largely impossible these days, but something that stands out from the many. A villain that had the potential to be really fascinating, and ultimately didn't live up to it. Age doesn't factor into it, and you'd have to be pretty up your own ass to think having your greater insight into the workings of the psychotic mind factored into it.
Episode 3 Carver: *makes Carlos slap his own daughter* Now everyone get to work! (And don't betray me you ingrates)
He didn't change. He's the same as he always was. You were tricked by his charisma. You fell for it hook line and sinker.
That is good writing... When you fall for the tricks that a fictional psychopath uses. I'm sorry if the reality of the situation was not as interesting as you built it up in your head. People in abusive relationships feel the same way. They're definitely disappointed when they realize (often far too late) the charming man they fell for is nothing more than a base and brutal dictator.