Actually, everywhere is a good place to be discussing any kind of human rights.
It's kind of the point of human rights. You don't get to ignore them when they make you uncomfortable. By dint of being "rights" and not "freedoms" you're obligated to respect them. Life doesn't fit into little "I don't want to hear it right now" boxes.
The "Walking Dead" forum is no place to be discussing LGBT rights. I don't understand why people are taking it there. The thread was to discuss if Nick is gay. My and the logical player, do not think he is. Its that simple.
I agree. I think that would be a pretty cool subplot - and it would work with a determinant character because if Nick is gone then it's just Luke and Bonnie dealing with it. But if Nick is there, then there is a delicious extra complication to the conflict between Luke and Bonnie. :)
I wouldn't expect much expansion on it. Maybe just a brief discussion about it as a dialogue option for Clem.
Him and Bonnie both crushing on Luke and Luke being completely unaware would be great.
I agree. I think that would be a pretty cool subplot - and it would work with a determinant character because if Nick is gone then it's just… more Luke and Bonnie dealing with it. But if Nick is there, then there is a delicious extra complication to the conflict between Luke and Bonnie. :)
That, my friend, is what we call an argument to the absurd - although you seem to be also going to strawmen and slippery slope territory too. You're not stating a fact and my logic does not reasonably follow that any of those other things are true. Saying "that is a fact" doesn't actually make it a fact, y'know.
So by your logic I guess Clementine may be a Republican, Kenny may be a Nazi, Luke may be homeless, Sarita may be a lesbian, and Jane may be… more 63 years old. Nick is not gay. That is a fact. We can't create our own story lines then claim them as respectable theories.
I agree. I think that would be a pretty cool subplot - and it would work with a determinant character because if Nick is gone then it's just… more Luke and Bonnie dealing with it. But if Nick is there, then there is a delicious extra complication to the conflict between Luke and Bonnie. :)
*shrug*
I enjoy debating. So they can think I'm angry all they want. It just makes their arguments weaker and I just leave when I get b… moreored. I don't really give two shags if they think I'm crying in my weetbix or not. They just end up exposing themselves as trolls and that's that. :)
In the first place,No.
But after reading through a lot of thread like this? Maybe....Maybe not..
I don't have problem with gay,In case you don't know.so.
I'd lick to see a foreign character, representation for non-American too !
Anyway, whether he's gay or not, I don't care. As long as he is not like some flamboyant gay (or stereotyped like the pseudo-gays on TV), I'll be fine with that.
In the first place,No.
But after reading through a lot of thread like this? Maybe....Maybe not..
I don't have problem with gay,In case you don't know.so.
Actually, everywhere is a good place to be discussing any kind of human rights.
It's kind of the point of human rights. You don't get t… moreo ignore them when they make you uncomfortable. By dint of being "rights" and not "freedoms" you're obligated to respect them. Life doesn't fit into little "I don't want to hear it right now" boxes.
Of course he is! I mean, there aren't any signs pointing torwards him being straight, are there? There's just no reason Telltale would include a straight character into their games, I mean, this is an action game, not a rom-com. I don't get why anyone claims, for example, that there was romance blooming between Lee and Carley. They were obviously like bro and sis! Rebecca and Alvin, too, her saying she loved him was obviously meant in a friendship way. Or Christa and Omid... I'm just saying, when Omid died, did Christa say "no, Omid, why? I'm so sad, after all I was in straight love with you all this time!"? No! You straight-fetishizers just want to see straightness everywhere where there isn't any.
Now shh, this forum isn't a place to discuss straight people.
Dude. You really need to brush up those critical thinking skills. It's not the same at all. There is quite a body of evidence to support the view that Kenny isn't a Nazi. The easiest being Sarita and his friendship with Lee.
That's a fair enough feeling to express, but just don't be surprised that people to whom LGBT rights are important feel differently. The big difference is that it's easy for you to feel that way because LGBT rights and characters don't really matter to you.
But that doesn't mean other people shouldn't be able to discuss those things and how they relate to the game when it matters to them Especially when the game has already dealt with gay characters.
I'd lick to see a foreign character, representation for non-American too !
Anyway, whether he's gay or not, I don't care. As long as he is not like some flamboyant gay (or stereotyped like the pseudo-gays on TV), I'll be fine with that.
The Walking Dead game has a LOT to do with human rights. This is a game that's been very progressive with it's representation of nonwhite people, and with women (it could be better, they're getting better). It's only fair to expect the same treatment for LGBT+ people as well.
I apologize for that analogy. That was unjustified and poorly thought out. I clearly did not mean to equate being a Nazi to being gay. My point was that both are unjustifiable and completely not possible to decipher.
skoothz, do you honestly think when Telltale makes this game they focus on human rights? besides introducing minority ethnicities and women characters, they aren't trying to take a political agenda with this game. They had a gay couple in the game as well. Please stop making this game into something that it is not. I don't want to argue with you, but c'mon bringing LGBT rights into a video game about zombies is silly.
The Walking Dead game has a LOT to do with human rights. This is a game that's been very progressive with it's representation of nonwhite pe… moreople, and with women (it could be better, they're getting better). It's only fair to expect the same treatment for LGBT+ people as well.
The Walking Dead game does its best to be a realistic and entertaining portrayal of how all kinds of people's fates would play out in a zombie apocalypse. It shows young girls, convicted criminals, former drug users, the elderly, the scared and the brave, skilled shooters and clumsy teenagers, the selfless and the ones who are willing to do anything to survive dealing with the circumstances in their own way. Telltale has kept the ratio of marginalized folks - people of color, mentally ill people, women etc. - pretty in tune with the percentages in our world, and there are lots of LGBT people. So, it would surprise me if TWDG had NOTHING to do with this.
To a degree, yes, I do think there's a political agenda in their effort to have representation. There's a political agenda behind all great art and TWDG isn't exempt from that.
skoothz, do you honestly think when Telltale makes this game they focus on human rights? besides introducing minority ethnicities and women … morecharacters, they aren't trying to take a political agenda with this game. They had a gay couple in the game as well. Please stop making this game into something that it is not. I don't want to argue with you, but c'mon bringing LGBT rights into a video game about zombies is silly.
Who's saying Telltale has to bring LGBT rights into the game?
All we're saying is it would be cool to have Nick revealed to be gay. That's not the same as expecting him and Luke to wave a rainbow flag, get married and defeat all zombies with the power of equal love.
As for the forum, this is exactly the place to discuss lgbt rights in relation to video gaming and whether it's reasonable to want Nick to be gay.
I think you're getting yourself a tad confused now. :)
skoothz, do you honestly think when Telltale makes this game they focus on human rights? besides introducing minority ethnicities and women … morecharacters, they aren't trying to take a political agenda with this game. They had a gay couple in the game as well. Please stop making this game into something that it is not. I don't want to argue with you, but c'mon bringing LGBT rights into a video game about zombies is silly.
Well then I unfortunately regret to inform you that you are wrong. While there is obvious some consideration, Telltale doesn't make a conscious effort to ensure every minority/ ethnic group is being represented and or fairly portrayed in the game.
To a degree, yes, I do think there's a political agenda in their effort to have representation. There's a political agenda behind all great art and TWDG isn't exempt from that.
You already started arguing with me.
nah im not confused at all : ) I am thinking logically ; ) We can talk gay rights all day if you want, I just don't think on a walking dead game is the proper time or place. Not because I think it is wrong but its like having a discussion about something not relevant to the game at all. Especially because there are no gay characters remaining.
Who's saying Telltale has to bring LGBT rights into the game?
All we're saying is it would be cool to have Nick revealed to be gay. Th… moreat's not the same as expecting him and Luke to wave a rainbow flag, get married and defeat all zombies with the power of equal love.
As for the forum, this is exactly the place to discuss lgbt rights in relation to video gaming and whether it's reasonable to want Nick to be gay.
I think you're getting yourself a tad confused now. :)
Well, thanks for apologizing, but I still feel like Nick being gay is a valid theory and I can tell that no proof I present is ever going to change your mind.
I apologize for that analogy. That was unjustified and poorly thought out. I clearly did not mean to equate being a Nazi to being gay. My point was that both are unjustifiable and completely not possible to decipher.
Well then I unfortunately regret to inform you that you are wrong. While there is obvious some consideration, Telltale doesn't make a conscious effort to ensure every minority/ ethnic group is being represented and or fairly portrayed in the game.
How is it homophobic to not think Nick is gay when there is no solid evidence that he is? I think some people are homophilic. They're obsessed with gays and want everyone to be gay. Being grossed out by two dudes does not make one afraid of gays. It's just a natural revulsion, the same way two gays can be repulsed by a straight couple. People have different tastes. It's time for us all to grow up and accept that fact and stop trying to bash our own PC sensibilities into each others' heads. It's ridiculous to strap these labels to people just because they're not into the gay thing. It doesn't mean that we want to oppress gays. We're just not into that stuff. To each his own. I don't think Nick is gay because there is absolutely a huge lack of sufficient evidence. Giving Luke a hug does not make a man gay. How old are some of you? Men can be close friends, who grew up together, and not have sexual feelings for each other. Not everything is about sex. What a bizarre thread.
I just want to beg people to please not be homophobic in this thread? For once? Please? Thanks.
I think it has a lot of validity to it … moreat this point, considering how much he gushed about Luke in episode 3. It really came off to me as an infatuation, but I don't think Luke reciprocates it. If Nick has a thing for him, it's unrequited. Luke just doesn't act the same way towards him.
Look, if Nick walks up to Luke next episode and kisses him, I will be dumbfounded and confused. I agree, if Nick turned out to be gay it might make the story more interesting. However, there is literally nothing that can imply Nick is gay. We can't use opinions based off of personal experiences. I have a gay friend and yes he acts differently than a straight male, but there was nothing substantial or even remotely substantial that nick did to give off the vide he may be gay. The first reason I posted in this thread was because this thread is a long line of threads of just really unknowledgeable theories. From people thinking Lee might come back to thinking the stranger in Season 1 kidnapped Kenny. Than these threads get overwhelming support like the poster made a brilliant observation. I know theories are fun to believe in but there was nothing Nick did or said that would infer he's gay. If anything its a shame people are assuming he might be gay because he misses/ talks a lot about Luke or because he defends himself when Kenny "insults" him.
Well, thanks for apologizing, but I still feel like Nick being gay is a valid theory and I can tell that no proof I present is ever going to change your mind.
How is it homophobic to not think Nick is gay when there is no solid evidence that he is? I think some people are homophilic. They're obsess… moreed with gays and want everyone to be gay. Being grossed out by two dudes does not make one afraid of gays. It's just a natural revulsion, the same way two gays can be repulsed by a straight couple. People have different tastes. It's time for us all to grow up and accept that fact and stop trying to bash our own PC sensibilities into each others' heads. It's ridiculous to strap these labels to people just because they're not into the gay thing. It doesn't mean that we want to oppress gays. We're just not into that stuff. To each his own. I don't think Nick is gay because there is absolutely a huge lack of sufficient evidence. Giving Luke a hug does not make a man gay. How old are some of you? Men can be close friends, who grew up together, and not have sexual feelings for each other. Not everything is about sex. What a bizarre thread.
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It's kind of the point of human rights. You don't get to ignore them when they make you uncomfortable. By dint of being "rights" and not "freedoms" you're obligated to respect them. Life doesn't fit into little "I don't want to hear it right now" boxes.
I'm on a roll at the moment. :D Probably should take a break for lunch soon.
I think there's just some folk out there who don't like anything gay in their TWD and so they down vote straight out the gate. :)
Anyway, whether he's gay or not, I don't care. As long as he is not like some flamboyant gay (or stereotyped like the pseudo-gays on TV), I'll be fine with that.
Now shh, this forum isn't a place to discuss straight people.
But that doesn't mean other people shouldn't be able to discuss those things and how they relate to the game when it matters to them Especially when the game has already dealt with gay characters.
And damn, your profile picture is scary.
You already started arguing with me.
All we're saying is it would be cool to have Nick revealed to be gay. That's not the same as expecting him and Luke to wave a rainbow flag, get married and defeat all zombies with the power of equal love.
As for the forum, this is exactly the place to discuss lgbt rights in relation to video gaming and whether it's reasonable to want Nick to be gay.
I think you're getting yourself a tad confused now. :)
What is homophobic is to say, "Being grossed out by two dudes is just a natural revulsion."
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