Who is arguing that the game should have a discussion of LGBT rights in the game?
There is a logic leap between people thinking Nick is gay to why they feel it would be cool for him to be gay to TellTale having a discussion of LGBT rights in TWD.
You have made a number if logically flawed statements both for why you claim it's hard facts that Nick is straight to the classic logical fallacy "an argument to the absurd" that Kenny could be a nazi following the logic as to why people believe Nick might be gay.
Logic doesn't mean what it seems you think it means.
The problem here is that you clearly have some elements of your argument that you are not presenting and so it gives your case the appearance of making wild leaps from one argument to the next instead of a consistent logical case.
nah im not confused at all : ) I am thinking logically ; ) We can talk gay rights all day if you want, I just don't think on a walking dead … moregame is the proper time or place. Not because I think it is wrong but its like having a discussion about something not relevant to the game at all. Especially because there are no gay characters remaining.
Yeah, Clementine could be gay too because she gave Sarah a hug and wanted to be her friend. That's pretty much the amount of logic being used in this thread. I'm not going after you specifically. I'm just saying that ANYONE could be gay. The evidence presented is hardly sufficient. I don't know why a hug has to mean gay. Until he comes out and says it, I'm not going to make the assumption he's gay. Gays are like 3% of the population, it's highly unlikely that he's gay unless there's GOOD evidence that he is. Everything presented thus far is purely random stuff that could be platonic. I'm just using probability and logic here. I want to hear it from Nick's own mouth before I start making assumptions. Many men and women have close, purely platonic friendships of the same sex. I hate that everyone has to sexualize everything, even Luke and Clem. Some people can't stop thinking about sex, apparently.
Oh good lord. Then sign a frickin' petition. Telltale can choose to represent what they like. They are NOT obligated to provide you with gay characters. Get over it.
They died in the same episode they were introduced and we knew jack shit about them. Nick is a really big character and really popular. Havi… moreng a character like HIM be gay would be exponentially more meaningful because a ton of people like him a relate to him and he has much more bearing on the plot.
And think of it this way: he'd be the best "safe" character to make gay. He's determinant. If the whiny homophobes don't want to deal with a gay character, they can rewind and kill him in episode 2.
Whatever. I agree. Just ignore them. Apparently being gay is just SO important to these people. Nick's romantic life is in NO way important to the game right now.
They died in the same episode they were introduced and we knew jack shit about them. Nick is a really big character and really popular. Havi… moreng a character like HIM be gay would be exponentially more meaningful because a ton of people like him a relate to him and he has much more bearing on the plot.
And think of it this way: he'd be the best "safe" character to make gay. He's determinant. If the whiny homophobes don't want to deal with a gay character, they can rewind and kill him in episode 2.
Oh good lord. Then leave the thread. We can choose to theorize about how it could realistically fit into the story if we so wish. We are NOT obligated to stop a hypothetical discussion just because you don't like it. Get over it. ;)
Oh good lord. Then sign a frickin' petition. Telltale can choose to represent what they like. They are NOT obligated to provide you with gay characters. Get over it.
I thought it was pretty obvious that Omid and Christa were in love. Christa was so distraught when Omid got hurt, all she could think about was getting the meds in Crawford for him. Same with Omid, if you help him on to the train first, he gets pissed that you didn't help Christa. I mean even at the beginning of s02e01 Christa gives Omid the "look" before entering the men's restroom, and then Omid is just like "Clem go clean yourself up in the women's restroom, Christa and I are going to "discuss" adult things!" Am I really the only one who thought they were going in there for a quickie? lol
Of course he is! I mean, there aren't any signs pointing torwards him being straight, are there? There's just no reason Telltale would inclu… morede a straight character into their games, I mean, this is an action game, not a rom-com. I don't get why anyone claims, for example, that there was romance blooming between Lee and Carley. They were obviously like bro and sis! Rebecca and Alvin, too, her saying she loved him was obviously meant in a friendship way. Or Christa and Omid... I'm just saying, when Omid died, did Christa say "no, Omid, why? I'm so sad, after all I was in straight love with you all this time!"? No! You straight-fetishizers just want to see straightness everywhere where there isn't any.
Now shh, this forum isn't a place to discuss straight people.
I thought it was pretty obvious that Omid and Christa were in love. Christa was so distraught when Omid got hurt, all she could think about … morewas getting the meds in Crawford for him. Same with Omid, if you help him on to the train first, he gets pissed that you didn't help Christa. I mean even at the beginning of s02e01 Christa gives Omid the "look" before entering the men's restroom, and then Omid is just like "Clem go clean yourself up in the women's restroom, Christa and I are going to "discuss" adult things!" Am I really the only one who thought they were going in there for a quickie? lol
Uh - this. This post is exactly why we need characters like Nick to turn out to be gay. Because it may just shake this foolish notion that being gay or thinking of someone as gay has to only do with sexualising a character.
Newsflash - gay people like emotional intimacy as well. We like seeing gay characters being represented as not obsessed with sex all the time but actually just being emotionally attached to someone.
You say you don't want to oppress gays but your entire approach here is to oppress gay gamers. You want them to shut up. You want them to stop thinking about characters being gay instead of straight. You want them to stop reading too much into a hug. You want them to stop using labels.
That, my friend, is all oppression.
Nobody is saying here that Nick MUST be gay. But a hell of a lot of people are saying that Nick MUST be straight.
Being gay does not start and end in the bedroom any more than being straight does. And to address your other comment down thread about gays being only 3% of the population so they shouldn't show up as often as they do in media - media and stories are not supposed to have an accurate representation of the overall population. What they do need to do is present a fair distribution.
Here's a thing. Gay people, in general, are not repulsed by seeing a straight couple make out. Maybe having sex is going a bit far, but kissing? Nah. Hell, a lot of gay folk love rom coms - which are hugely heterosexually oriented. So you're natural revulsion argument just doesn't hold.
The fact is most people gay, straight, bi whatever don't have a natural revulsion to seeing other people of different sexualities kissing or expressing their love. They just find it cute or romantic. Because it is and it's natural.
How is it homophobic to not think Nick is gay when there is no solid evidence that he is? I think some people are homophilic. They're obsess… moreed with gays and want everyone to be gay. Being grossed out by two dudes does not make one afraid of gays. It's just a natural revulsion, the same way two gays can be repulsed by a straight couple. People have different tastes. It's time for us all to grow up and accept that fact and stop trying to bash our own PC sensibilities into each others' heads. It's ridiculous to strap these labels to people just because they're not into the gay thing. It doesn't mean that we want to oppress gays. We're just not into that stuff. To each his own. I don't think Nick is gay because there is absolutely a huge lack of sufficient evidence. Giving Luke a hug does not make a man gay. How old are some of you? Men can be close friends, who grew up together, and not have sexual feelings for each other. Not everything is about sex. What a bizarre thread.
And why do you think Luke is "definitely straight"? I mean, I can't remember anything in the game that made me think "Oh, Luke must be sexually attracted by those of the female sex".
I'm not exactly sure.
Nick doesn't seem gay to me.
And Nick's response to Kenny's comment, may not mean he's gay, but is just someone wh… moreo gets offended easily.
I know a lot of people like that.
That line: "Come to tuck me in," might have just been a joke.
From what I've seen, Nick and Luke seemed to be like brothers.
And brothers have been known to joke with and bounce one-liners off each other.
And here is something to think about, with Pete dead, Luke is the closest thing to family that Nick has left.
Never for a moment would I think Luke is gay.
Luke is definitely straight!
As far as Nick goes, I guess the only way we'll have to wait and find out.
Well, I guess one of the reasons that they're so close, is that they've been friends for a really long time. They were in business together for a few years before the apocalypse.
It's a lot to do with the way he talks about Luke and how defensive he got over Kenny's comment. I'm going to skip over the stuff like "he and Luke share the same room" or "they hugged once" because personally I don't consider that very solid evidence of anything other than a friendship.
Nick speaks of Luke with a lot of reverence, and it's not necessarily gay to look up to a friend, but in episode 3 he's just about gushing. It comes off like a crush, really. Most of his dialogue in episode 3 was either defending Luke, agreeing with Luke, or talking about how great and smart he is and how he's going to save everyone. And when someone gets overly defensive over an inane comment like the one Kenny made, it kind of indicates that it's because they've got something to hide. Luke raised his eyebrows but didn't seem particularly bothered by it, because he knew it wasn't really a big deal, considering it's the zombie apocalypse and shit like that doesn't matter anymore. But Nick's reaction implied a more deep-seated fear--perhaps a fear of being found out.
Also, Nick himself is sort of a closet case archetype--to speak in terms of story writing. The whole "guy who presents himself as tough but actually has daddy issues and emotional turmoil underneath his seemingly gruff exterior" is a pretty common characterization for characters in films, books, television, etc who are closeted homosexuals. Telltale's pretty good at avoiding tropes like that so it's more just a side note, but it's a side note worth mentioning, I suppose.
DAMNIT, STOP SAYING NICK IS GAY AND HAS AN UNRECRUITED CRUSH ON LUKE, IT'S EVEN WORSE THAN STRAIGHT-UP NUKE!!!
...because now I'm going to be even MORE sad when Nick inevitably suffers a gruesome, horrific death, never having confessed his feelings to his lifelong best friend&unrecruited love :(
I honestly, don't care what they do together. But, they seem to be just friends. I joke around with a lot of my friends, too, and I'm not gay, just because people say sarcastically, "You going to tuck me in?" Doesn't actually mean that they want you to tuck them in, I believe he was just being sarcastic.
How exactly does someone seem gay or not?
And why do you think Luke is "definitely straight"? I mean, I can't remember anything in the game that made me think "Oh, Luke must be sexually attracted by those of the female sex".
Whatever. I agree. Just ignore them. Apparently being gay is just SO important to these people. Nick's romantic life is in NO way important to the game right now.
Yeah, i know, but who else can Nick hook up with? If Nick is gay, he's being gay for Luke, i think it's obvious. And i don't want him to be like that, i want Nick and Luke to be like siblings. But anyway, all in all, Nick can be either straight, or homosexual, or asexual, and i'll still love him just as much! :3
Yeah, Clementine could be gay too because she gave Sarah a hug and wanted to be her friend. That's pretty much the amount of logic being use… mored in this thread. I'm not going after you specifically. I'm just saying that ANYONE could be gay. The evidence presented is hardly sufficient. I don't know why a hug has to mean gay. Until he comes out and says it, I'm not going to make the assumption he's gay. Gays are like 3% of the population, it's highly unlikely that he's gay unless there's GOOD evidence that he is. Everything presented thus far is purely random stuff that could be platonic. I'm just using probability and logic here. I want to hear it from Nick's own mouth before I start making assumptions. Many men and women have close, purely platonic friendships of the same sex. I hate that everyone has to sexualize everything, even Luke and Clem. Some people can't stop thinking about sex, apparently.
Of course he is! I mean, there aren't any signs pointing torwards him being straight, are there? There's just no reason Telltale would inclu… morede a straight character into their games, I mean, this is an action game, not a rom-com. I don't get why anyone claims, for example, that there was romance blooming between Lee and Carley. They were obviously like bro and sis! Rebecca and Alvin, too, her saying she loved him was obviously meant in a friendship way. Or Christa and Omid... I'm just saying, when Omid died, did Christa say "no, Omid, why? I'm so sad, after all I was in straight love with you all this time!"? No! You straight-fetishizers just want to see straightness everywhere where there isn't any.
Now shh, this forum isn't a place to discuss straight people.
Aww, thank you! But yeah, while this isn't a TWDG-fandom-only problem, the double standards people have in regards to LGBT representation are getting on my nerves. I mean, if it was unbalanced in the other direction, it would still be okay because that'd counter an oppressive structure, but this way it's just reinforced.
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There is a logic leap between people thinking Nick is gay to why they feel it would be cool for him to be gay to TellTale having a discussion of LGBT rights in TWD.
You have made a number if logically flawed statements both for why you claim it's hard facts that Nick is straight to the classic logical fallacy "an argument to the absurd" that Kenny could be a nazi following the logic as to why people believe Nick might be gay.
Logic doesn't mean what it seems you think it means.
The problem here is that you clearly have some elements of your argument that you are not presenting and so it gives your case the appearance of making wild leaps from one argument to the next instead of a consistent logical case.
Seriously, I'm not good at finding clues... Could anyone tell me the signs ?
Yet I'm straight as an arrow ;)
Newsflash - gay people like emotional intimacy as well. We like seeing gay characters being represented as not obsessed with sex all the time but actually just being emotionally attached to someone.
You say you don't want to oppress gays but your entire approach here is to oppress gay gamers. You want them to shut up. You want them to stop thinking about characters being gay instead of straight. You want them to stop reading too much into a hug. You want them to stop using labels.
That, my friend, is all oppression.
Nobody is saying here that Nick MUST be gay. But a hell of a lot of people are saying that Nick MUST be straight.
Being gay does not start and end in the bedroom any more than being straight does. And to address your other comment down thread about gays being only 3% of the population so they shouldn't show up as often as they do in media - media and stories are not supposed to have an accurate representation of the overall population. What they do need to do is present a fair distribution.
Here's a thing. Gay people, in general, are not repulsed by seeing a straight couple make out. Maybe having sex is going a bit far, but kissing? Nah. Hell, a lot of gay folk love rom coms - which are hugely heterosexually oriented. So you're natural revulsion argument just doesn't hold.
The fact is most people gay, straight, bi whatever don't have a natural revulsion to seeing other people of different sexualities kissing or expressing their love. They just find it cute or romantic. Because it is and it's natural.
And why do you think Luke is "definitely straight"? I mean, I can't remember anything in the game that made me think "Oh, Luke must be sexually attracted by those of the female sex".
Nick speaks of Luke with a lot of reverence, and it's not necessarily gay to look up to a friend, but in episode 3 he's just about gushing. It comes off like a crush, really. Most of his dialogue in episode 3 was either defending Luke, agreeing with Luke, or talking about how great and smart he is and how he's going to save everyone. And when someone gets overly defensive over an inane comment like the one Kenny made, it kind of indicates that it's because they've got something to hide. Luke raised his eyebrows but didn't seem particularly bothered by it, because he knew it wasn't really a big deal, considering it's the zombie apocalypse and shit like that doesn't matter anymore. But Nick's reaction implied a more deep-seated fear--perhaps a fear of being found out.
Also, Nick himself is sort of a closet case archetype--to speak in terms of story writing. The whole "guy who presents himself as tough but actually has daddy issues and emotional turmoil underneath his seemingly gruff exterior" is a pretty common characterization for characters in films, books, television, etc who are closeted homosexuals. Telltale's pretty good at avoiding tropes like that so it's more just a side note, but it's a side note worth mentioning, I suppose.
...because now I'm going to be even MORE sad when Nick inevitably suffers a gruesome, horrific death, never having confessed his feelings to his lifelong best friend&unrecruited love :(
The only women, except for Bonnie, are taken.
XD
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Seriously that picture made me laugh so hard.
Clem's like "...ew"
Shii