Biggest plot hole in the series?

what the fuck did the cabin survivors did to Carver? on episode 1 and 2 anyone wanted to tell anything they acted like it was a huge secret somthing awful i got even more intersted when Carver mentioned how Alvin killed George ,even at the start of episode 3 Carver talks like if what they did affected the whole community but nothing was spoken about that i really expected a great plot twist .

The only way i see it could go now is if they tell what they did on episode 4 and it will make Clem loss trust on the group , but what would be the point if Carver and half of the cabin survivours are already dead?

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  • edited May 2014
    Plotholes? I know one.

    In the first episode, Clem's cut is WAY too big for it to be a walker bite, and even Carlos, who claims to be a doctor, can't tell.

    Also, Carlos' logic to find out if it's a walker bite or not, is to wait and see if she develops a fever. No matter if it's a walker bite or not, she still would have gotten sick, because the cut wasn't cleaned.
  • Yeah, I really thought we'd have those questions answered in episode 3. Guess not.
  • george was spoken about by bonnie i'm not sure which option it was but if you tell her something she will say how alvin killed george while he was trying to escape, george was probably just a regular old guard like johnny in episode 2
  • Yeah. I don't really get why they had to be so vague anymore.

    I guess they thought Clem would hate and mistrust them if they said "Our leader was a violent sociopath who pushes people off buildings for fun, so we left."
  • Some things are best kept secret. Personally at this point, it does not matter. All we know is Alvin killed Georgie, but Carver's ruthlessness speaks for itself; Carver wanting them back, searching for them reads dictator savant. In the end, if its more than George's death....His reactions deem it as innocuous on how easily he destroys people for minor issues.
  • for me, it has to be the fact that the dead....WALK.
  • Not a plothole. We can't assume he studied the bites after the walkers die. And if multiple walkers bite around the same area, the cut can be elongated.
    Lokoso posted: »

    Plotholes? I know one. In the first episode, Clem's cut is WAY too big for it to be a walker bite, and even Carlos, who claims to be a

  • are you sure it isn't more of a shuffle? the dead can shuffle sometimes, when you get electrocuted your muscles do a spasmy thing that can be referred to a shuffle (60hz shuffle).
    Troys-Dick posted: »

    for me, it has to be the fact that the dead....WALK.

  • To be fair, a lot of the dialogue from Rebecca and Bonnie implies that Carver wasn't a complete psychopath in the beginning. "He's different...he's worse" indeed.

    Yeah. I don't really get why they had to be so vague anymore. I guess they thought Clem would hate and mistrust them if they said "Our leader was a violent sociopath who pushes people off buildings for fun, so we left."

  • That would be a retcon.

    "Do you remember George, Alvin? You see, I do. I remember a guy that was your friend named George."

    "I remember when you murdered him in cold blood."

    "And why? Because you didn't like me?

    "You could have lodged a complaint. You could have--"

    "You could have been civil"
    Green613 posted: »

    george was spoken about by bonnie i'm not sure which option it was but if you tell her something she will say how alvin killed george while he was trying to escape, george was probably just a regular old guard like johnny in episode 2

  • Well, I guess you're right about the multiple walkers thing, but if he's a doctor, he should know that cuts will get infected, and the victim will get sick, if not treated quickly enough, and he's already demonstrated knowledge of what the walker bites do to you by even suggesting waiting.
    pcharl01 posted: »

    Not a plothole. We can't assume he studied the bites after the walkers die. And if multiple walkers bite around the same area, the cut can be elongated.

  • edited May 2014
    Not a plot hole, unless I missed something. I never got the impression that they did anything to him, but it was certainly a possibility. He made it clear his main objective was to get Rebecca back, and I always assumed Alvin just killed a guard when they escaped. It just comes down to people expecting Carver to be more interesting when... well, he wasn't. Lol
  • biggest hole i saw was the vehicles that carver had. the group had been walking along forest paths for almost a week, with carver supposedly on their tails, as the flashlights showed up not long after the group made it to the lodge. either carver knew where the group was headed, or followed them. if they followed, that means that they had multiple vehicles snaking around tryin to keep in contact with people cutting through the woods for 5 days, and about a full day's drive back. that'd take ALOT of gas.
  • How about the walkie talkie that works at 30+ miles through a forest?
    TheCygi posted: »

    biggest hole i saw was the vehicles that carver had. the group had been walking along forest paths for almost a week, with carver supposedly

  • edited May 2014
    So was Rebecca raped? It seemed like she just cheated on Alvin since you had the option to hold the evidence against her in episode 1 telling her "who's baby is it?" and"you better be nicer to me". WTF happened to that part of the plot?

    Also since Alvin died on my file in ep 2 I hardly heard anything about the baby in episode 3 now Im really confused about Carver's notion to go all those miles chasing down the cabin group for his unborn child. If you care so much that its your baby then why keep the pregnant mom outside in the cold?

    Then after he pushes Reggie off the building he goes all Crawford elitist on Clem and Sarah which contradicts keeping little girls and babies in camp.
  • Carlos can't even turn a wind turbine off so what do you expect.
    Lokoso posted: »

    Plotholes? I know one. In the first episode, Clem's cut is WAY too big for it to be a walker bite, and even Carlos, who claims to be a

  • no, i'm guessing she chose to cheat on Alvin and be with carver, since if she was raped she would have said something to alvin and she wouldn't be all "he'll kill me if he finds out"
    Lee4ever posted: »

    So was Rebecca raped? It seemed like she just cheated on Alvin since you had the option to hold the evidence against her in episode 1 tellin

  • edited May 2014
    Odontology isn't the same as being a surgeon or doctor. Clementine's bite is big, but walkers tend to tear and shake as they bite. Its less of a plot hole and more of forcing ignorance on characters for the sake of the plot. The fact that its never explained WHERE Luke disappeared to after splitting up with Kenny (or why) is really bugging me. Along with the fact that Carver made a huge deal about trust and how the cabin group wasn't trustworthy, even leaving her hanging when she asked why, I get the feeling this season is going to have a LOT of introduced events that are just never resolved or explained.
    Lokoso posted: »

    Plotholes? I know one. In the first episode, Clem's cut is WAY too big for it to be a walker bite, and even Carlos, who claims to be a

  • ya, they're trying to force mystery and suspense to replace actual plot development. part of why we may not be getting hubs is that the only things to talk about are the things that nobody really wants to tell clem. every conversation that isn't directly related to "what are we gonna do now, right this very instant" are whatever the other person wants to discuss. there's no reason for everybody to be hiding everything that they've said or done in the past few weeks, including whose job it was to do the dishes.

    "oh, there's a guy after you? why? what does he want? is he trying to kill you? what's his name?" "he's a very bad man." "yes, that's great and all, but that doesn't actually answer my questions." finally get a chance to ask sarah who is after you, and she... wait for it... CAN'T REMEMBER! carver tells you more about them than they were willing to say, and yet still doesn't answer your questions. this is understandable as he could tell you were evading his questions the same as he was yours, then walks off like he knows the big secret. they STILL say nothing about him or what's goin on, just that now carver's seen her and she must come with him, because they're safer.

    5 days later, they've still told you absolutely nothing about what's goin on, and clem seems to have accepted it. kenny's group is completely uninterested in hearing about it, which is another big flag. "this person is chasin us. i think he may want to kill them." "that's nice clem, go help walt with dinner." soon as you finally get the chance to ask rebecca about the baby, in comes alvin and she clams up again. kenny points out how rebecca calls carver "bill", and it feels like he may be on to sumthin, but then it's back to getting out. the trip took almost an entire day, and kenny didn't think to try lookin for a way out till they're on the final stretch and nearly there? that doesn't sound right at all.

    and then once you finally get there, all that gets said about what's happened is "it's all in the past. some of you may not like what happened, but u'll just have to learn to deal with it." and that's pretty much it.

    it's almost like they have no idea what they've decided actually happened, and as long as they dont give people a chance to look too deeply at it, this unknown event can continue to morph and be the driving force and the convenient go to answer for why sumthing is happening or has to be done.
    Yes_Man posted: »

    Odontology isn't the same as being a surgeon or doctor. Clementine's bite is big, but walkers tend to tear and shake as they bite. Its less

  • Carver's last lines "What are you lookin at, bitch? You know you enjoyed it" type thing kind of implied it to me, but who knows. It could also be why she says "He's different... he's worse." I'm not sure if they'll ever mention it, though.
    Lee4ever posted: »

    So was Rebecca raped? It seemed like she just cheated on Alvin since you had the option to hold the evidence against her in episode 1 tellin

  • My big one is Lee's picture. You're not allowed to burn it in Episode 1, so it has to be a significant plot device... But the game then sends you down a river. This is going to ruin the picture anyways. ^_^'
  • maybe the original story had taboo things in it like rape (whose baby is it?), or worse, so it goes along and then management says, "we will get too much flak for this stuff, so either we have to tone it down, or get rid of it." of course the writers realize that this is a zombie apocalypse, and really bad stuff needs to happen in order to make people into real villains, so they decide to go the nebulous route and have people fill in the blanks with their own mind, so that they don't have to say what bad stuff happened, and people will come up with whatever would be bad enough for such to happen without crossing any lines they might have.
    so they took the original script and hacked into it to come up with a script that doesn't have any serious evil in it, but still keeps us guessing so that our imaginations are used to fill in the the evil holes in the story. at least that is my guess, after all it seems like sarah is pretty disconnected from everything, and she did live with mr. everyone must pull their own weight. sounds like their was a lot of sacrifice to keep the father happy and comfortable, and then to have him just run off seems like their must have been something pretty bad going on (i would bet it was due to a perceived threat to his daughter).

  • most rape victims feel shame and a sense of responsibility over what happened, so her feelings aren't out of line with rape in the slightest.

    Green613 posted: »

    no, i'm guessing she chose to cheat on Alvin and be with carver, since if she was raped she would have said something to alvin and she wouldn't be all "he'll kill me if he finds out"

  • edited May 2014

    double post.

    Green613 posted: »

    no, i'm guessing she chose to cheat on Alvin and be with carver, since if she was raped she would have said something to alvin and she wouldn't be all "he'll kill me if he finds out"

  • Untold information is not a plothole.

  • This isn't a plot hole. There are rarely any substantial plot holes in the entire game (8 episodes.) Just because Telltale neglected to say every single detail regarding every single detail does not make it a pot hole

  • he was all about a legacy and such, so children are fully in line with his philosophy. and as for leaving his baby mamma in the cold, he is all about toughening up the future children. if we carry this logic on through, little girls can be toughened up, to make tougher children for the future when they come of age, at the very least they can become replacements for those that are killed, once properly conditioned of course. he didn't see clem as competition for his unborn child inspite of his respect for her strength, which speaks of what place women have in his mind and possibly his future society (maybe he was even planning on his son and her making grandkids).

    Lee4ever posted: »

    So was Rebecca raped? It seemed like she just cheated on Alvin since you had the option to hold the evidence against her in episode 1 tellin

  • There hasnt been too many in season 2 just like season 1 (most of these are not plotholes, just not expanding on information and leaving some stuff up to peoples opinions: I.E not spoonfeeding)

    A plot hole example from season 1 was how lee got back inside the school in crawford the second time, he hops over the fence then say "time to go". How did he get back inside without going through the garage?

  • I am replaying season 1 again and I'm now at lee's parents convenience store.
    What I was thinking was, how they manage to use the back office emergency exit to go syphon some gas and what not but not use it to gain the keys for the pharmacy?
    I mean, do they really have to break the combination lock to reach lee's brother? could they not have distracted the walkers with the tv's and snuck out of the back alley? why put yourself at a vulnerable spot by breaking the lock to the the front door?

    just my 2 cents

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