I, a straight male, would have reacted the same way if some a-hole like Kenny who i just met called me gay with my friend. I guess I must be gay. I never knew. My girlfriend is going to hate the news :(
Well, as a closet Bisexual (irl), I agree. Nick's reaction at the table in episode 2, when Kenny said that he and Luke looked like a match i… mores my reaction EXACTLY when someone asks jokingly if I'm dating my friend.
I think he has a crush on Luke, but Luke doesn't like him back. BUT, the reason I think Nick was talking so much about Luke in ep3 was because he is a determinant and he couldn't affect the plot so much..
Yeah, you are right. Nick is my favourite character so I'm really upset about his short screentime. I honestly felt like he was only there to agree with Luke. I hope he gets a bigger role in the next episode. Determinant characters second death is usually really sad, so I hope he will die in a really sad and good way. I hope that makes sense, I'm sorry, English isn't my first language.
That's a good point actually, I didn't consider that Nick's determinant status might have been a factor. A majority of people (83% last time I looked) kept him alive though.
no, straight boys usually seem really offended and starts making sure everyone knows they ARE straight. nick didn't even deny that he and luke was a couple, he simply said "what's that supposed to mean?".
I, a straight male, would have reacted the same way if some a-hole like Kenny who i just met called me gay with my friend. I guess I must be gay. I never knew. My girlfriend is going to hate the news :(
These people... why do you downvote people who don't think he is gay? I don't think he is... you're all just reading too much into it. There's a difference between a fact and an opinion you desperately want to be true, so it becomes a 'fact'.
These people... why do you downvote people who don't think he is gay? I don't think he is... you're all just reading too much into it. There's a difference between a fact and an opinion you desperately want to be true, so it becomes a 'fact'.
I can't speak for other people but I personally don't downvote the folks who disagree. I just downvote the ones who are unnecessarily rude about it.
We know it's not fact. It's speculation. Most of the fighting that's going on is because we're defending the right to speculate about a character against people who act as if just using the word "gay" on this forum is riotous behavior.
These people... why do you downvote people who don't think he is gay? I don't think he is... you're all just reading too much into it. There's a difference between a fact and an opinion you desperately want to be true, so it becomes a 'fact'.
Actually, no. If anything I would say the exact opposite. If Nick started saying he was straight it would seem like a cover up. But our disagreement is proof that calling Nick gay is pure speculation based off behaviors in the game. Telltale would not leave it to the fans to infer if he was gay. They would have said it by Episode 3. . .
no, straight boys usually seem really offended and starts making sure everyone knows they ARE straight. nick didn't even deny that he and luke was a couple, he simply said "what's that supposed to mean?".
I never would have guessed English wasn't your first language, you are probably better at English than most people on this forum :P
And yeah, Nick did come across as being there just to agree with Luke. then again, Nick got a lot of screentime and characterization in episode 2. starting with him entering depression at the start, and his eventual confession to Walter at the end. I can kinda see WHY he is determinant, because his main story is essentially done.
Alvin had a great ending, despite being determinant, and Nick has survived longer than any determinant character so far (Ben became determinant in episode 4 of season 1, and died in the next episode, Pete died in the next episode, Alvin died in the next episode).
I think that when (or if) Nick's death ever comes, it will be very touching.
Yeah, you are right. Nick is my favourite character so I'm really upset about his short screentime. I honestly felt like he was only there t… moreo agree with Luke. I hope he gets a bigger role in the next episode. Determinant characters second death is usually really sad, so I hope he will die in a really sad and good way. I hope that makes sense, I'm sorry, English isn't my first language.
I completely agree. The main argument of those saying Nick is gay is that he misses Luke/ talks a lot about him. If anything it is disturbing these people are stereotyping what it entails to be gay. Missing a member of your sex does not make you gay.
These people... why do you downvote people who don't think he is gay? I don't think he is... you're all just reading too much into it. There's a difference between a fact and an opinion you desperately want to be true, so it becomes a 'fact'.
I'm not being an arsehole about it, but still downvotes I get :P It's good to speculate about a character, but I don't think Nick's sexuality in the ZA matters much.
I can't speak for other people but I personally don't downvote the folks who disagree. I just downvote the ones who are unnecessarily rude a… morebout it.
We know it's not fact. It's speculation. Most of the fighting that's going on is because we're defending the right to speculate about a character against people who act as if just using the word "gay" on this forum is riotous behavior.
And why are people downvoting those who DO think he is gay? Downvotes are there for if you disagree with a post. It is literally what that feature is for.
And this is a speculation thread. Nobody is saying he definitely is gay. But there are loads of people saying he is "definitely straight" which makes no sense to me.
These people... why do you downvote people who don't think he is gay? I don't think he is... you're all just reading too much into it. There's a difference between a fact and an opinion you desperately want to be true, so it becomes a 'fact'.
You're not going to like this :P Because being straight is kind of the norm. I'm not saying it's wrong, before you start reading far too much into it AGAIN, but I never just assume someone is attracted to the same sex unless they tell me, or I see it, because their sexuality is none of my business.
Actually, no. If anything I would say the exact opposite. If Nick started saying he was straight it would seem like a cover up. But our disa… moregreement is proof that calling Nick gay is pure speculation based off behaviors in the game. Telltale would not leave it to the fans to infer if he was gay. They would have said it by Episode 3. . .
It really is disturbing... I've missed friends of mine before, even my brother who I talked about in a previous post... talking about them and missing them doesn't mean I want to sleep with them.
I completely agree. The main argument of those saying Nick is gay is that he misses Luke/ talks a lot about him. If anything it is disturbing these people are stereotyping what it entails to be gay. Missing a member of your sex does not make you gay.
Precisely. The majority of people are straight. As you will agree it is easier to tell someone is gay as opposed to telling someone is straight. Since we are dealing with cartoon characters created by Telltale, we need to infer based off how they have characterized Nick. Since they have clearly done nothing to hint that Nick is gay, we need to assume he is straight. Im not homophobic or being rude, I could care less if Nick or any character is gay. However, it seems to be pretty clear he isn't.
And why are people downvoting those who DO think he is gay? Downvotes are there for if you disagree with a post. It is literally what that f… moreeature is for.
And this is a speculation thread. Nobody is saying he definitely is gay. But there are loads of people saying he is "definitely straight" which makes no sense to me.
I mean, in that case no one else's does either, but people have no problem talking about Bonnie having a crush on Luke. If it's okay to speculate about her, then why not speculate about Nick?
I'm not being an arsehole about it, but still downvotes I get :P It's good to speculate about a character, but I don't think Nick's sexuality in the ZA matters much.
I down vote because I dis-agree with people calling him gay based off very weak evidence if even that. I mean all I have heard is that because he talks about Luke, and the way he defended himself when Kenny jokingly called him gay. Both of which are not nearly enough evidence to even speculate he might be gay.
And why are people downvoting those who DO think he is gay? Downvotes are there for if you disagree with a post. It is literally what that f… moreeature is for.
And this is a speculation thread. Nobody is saying he definitely is gay. But there are loads of people saying he is "definitely straight" which makes no sense to me.
It's disappointing that we have to point out we're not being homophobic, which I'm not :P, because if we don't they'll call us complete and utter homophobes... sometimes I question why I come on the forums.
Precisely. The majority of people are straight. As you will agree it is easier to tell someone is gay as opposed to telling someone is strai… moreght. Since we are dealing with cartoon characters created by Telltale, we need to infer based off how they have characterized Nick. Since they have clearly done nothing to hint that Nick is gay, we need to assume he is straight. Im not homophobic or being rude, I could care less if Nick or any character is gay. However, it seems to be pretty clear he isn't.
Exactly . . . so you are implying that there should be a thread/ discussion about every persons sexuality ? Of course you aren't which is precisely why there is no need for this thread based off of weak and nonexistent evidence.
Of course it might not mean he has a crush on him, but it also.. might. that is what we are speculating.
A lot of people here are closing themselves off to the idea and stating for a fact that Nick is straight, which there is no evidence for.
Nick hasn't mentioned girls of any kind, or any past relationship, his most visible and on-screen relationship is with a guy who he quite clearly thinks the world of. It isn't a surprise that people have started to wonder if he might be gay.
That is what this thread is for, to look at the "evidence", as shaky as it might be and make up our own minds and discuss it. There is more evidence for him being gay than there is for him being straight. It's just that a lot of people automatically assume than any person who's sexuality isn't mentioned is automatically straight. They did the same for Walter and Matthew, saying that they were "just bros" and bashing anyone who disagreed. And they WERE gay.
EDIT: oh and I didn't imply you were downvoting anyone, it's just you were saying we were downvoting everyone, when there is lots of downvoting going around on both sides.
There was a thread with 50+ comments about what kind of oatmeal Luke gave Clementine at the end of episode 1. Sometimes people discuss things that don't seem necessary to you. It's a forum. We're allowed to do that. Why make a big deal out of it?
Exactly . . . so you are implying that there should be a thread/ discussion about every persons sexuality ? Of course you aren't which is precisely why there is no need for this thread based off of weak and nonexistent evidence.
Nick also talked about Uncle Pete quite a bit and although they had their ups and downs, thought the world of him and was devastated when he died... do you think he had a crush on Uncle Pete?
Of course it might not mean he has a crush on him, but it also.. might. that is what we are speculating.
A lot of people here are closing … morethemselves off to the idea and stating for a fact that Nick is straight, which there is no evidence for.
Nick hasn't mentioned girls of any kind, or any past relationship, his most visible and on-screen relationship is with a guy who he quite clearly thinks the world of. It isn't a surprise that people have started to wonder if he might be gay.
That is what this thread is for, to look at the "evidence", as shaky as it might be and make up our own minds and discuss it. There is more evidence for him being gay than there is for him being straight. It's just that a lot of people automatically assume than any person who's sexuality isn't mentioned is automatically straight. They did the same for Walter and Matthew, saying that they were "just bros" and bashing anyone who disagreed. And they WERE gay… [view original content]
That's perfectly fine, you don't have to give your reasoning for downvoting a post, if you disagree with it, you disagree with it. Nobody who actually thinks Nick is gay is complaining they are getting downvotes. It's expected.
I down vote because I dis-agree with people calling him gay based off very weak evidence if even that. I mean all I have heard is that becau… morese he talks about Luke, and the way he defended himself when Kenny jokingly called him gay. Both of which are not nearly enough evidence to even speculate he might be gay.
Trust me, TONS of threads piss me off here. And I will be the first to say, the forum is to (some degree) speculate, and of course discuss the game. However, at least that thread and others have something to do directly with the game. I am simply saying that this thread is reaching at nothing. There is no evidence that Nick is gay. This thread was clearly going into a direction where people would have to defend themselves based off what they believe it means to be gay/ how gay people act. That doesn't belong on this forum because no character is gay and that discussion has nothing to do with the game itself.
There was a thread with 50+ comments about what kind of oatmeal Luke gave Clementine at the end of episode 1. Sometimes people discuss things that don't seem necessary to you. It's a forum. We're allowed to do that. Why make a big deal out of it?
Nick also talked about Uncle Pete quite a bit and although they had their ups and downs, thought the world of him and was devastated when he died... do you think he had a crush on Uncle Pete?
I have so much to say, I just wish I could express myself better in English. On the other hand, you are litteraly saying everything I'm thinking so that's good.
That's perfectly fine, you don't have to give your reasoning for downvoting a post, if you disagree with it, you disagree with it. Nobody who actually thinks Nick is gay is complaining they are getting downvotes. It's expected.
That's perfectly fine, you don't have to give your reasoning for downvoting a post, if you disagree with it, you disagree with it. Nobody who actually thinks Nick is gay is complaining they are getting downvotes. It's expected.
Trust me, TONS of threads piss me off here. And I will be the first to say, the forum is to (some degree) speculate, and of course discuss t… morehe game. However, at least that thread and others have something to do directly with the game. I am simply saying that this thread is reaching at nothing. There is no evidence that Nick is gay. This thread was clearly going into a direction where people would have to defend themselves based off what they believe it means to be gay/ how gay people act. That doesn't belong on this forum because no character is gay and that discussion has nothing to do with the game itself.
That is absurd reasoning. Of course nobody is going to assume Nick has a crush on Pete, he is Nick's family. Luke isn't.
I honestly don't understand why you are bringing the idea of incest into this.
Nobody is calling you a homophobe. the only people being called homophobes are the people being offensive.
You don't have to point out you aren't homophobic, it's fairly obvious if you are or you aren't, we are not stupid.
It's disappointing that we have to point out we're not being homophobic, which I'm not :P, because if we don't they'll call us complete and utter homophobes... sometimes I question why I come on the forums.
No, we have every right to speculate as we please. There are those of us who agree with the theory, and those who don't, and that's perfectly fine.
It's those who are being bigots and homophobes who have derailed the thread completely, or those claiming things as facts.
This could have been a perfectly civil thread if the mods had actually helped remove some of the obviously offensive comments.
As far as I'm concerned, Nick is asexual. It doesn't matter if he's straight *or* gay. Let's say Luke dies. If Nick is straight, he is upset. If Nick is gay, he is still upset. Same reaction. So, what's the point?
Also, Luke is DEFINITELY not gay. If you stay silent during his first meeting wth Clem, he says something like "Kid, I'm an expert at talking to girls who don't want to talk to me."
I totally understand the desire to be represented as normal - hell, I've NEVER seen any character with a foot fetish presented as normal - but ultimately, none of you are going to change your minds, so why argue over this? Walter being gay wasn't a big deal. And Nick being gay wouldn't serve the story in any unique way. Unless, maybe, Pete was homophobic or something, but I really doubt that.
Also, this is quite a good thread. I may not agree with you, OP, but hey, I appreciate the interesting reading material.
Yeah, maybe. I mean, yeah, i have no problem with Nick being gay, he's still the same Nick that i love. But his being gay would be a pointless addition to his character if he would not hook up with someone, would it not? And Nick and Luke, i just can't see them together, no matter how much i try. Plus, Luke did not leave any signs of his being homosexual, and it would just be sad if Nick was all of a sudden like:
"Luke, i love you more than in a brotherly way!"
And Luke be like:
"Sorry, Nick, no homo."
Personally, i don't believe Nick to be gay. But, since there have been plenty couples in TWD, i also don't see why a gay couple couldn't be introduced.
Either way, Nick being gay will not change anything, so it would be a rather pointless addition to his character.
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We know it's not fact. It's speculation. Most of the fighting that's going on is because we're defending the right to speculate about a character against people who act as if just using the word "gay" on this forum is riotous behavior.
And yeah, Nick did come across as being there just to agree with Luke. then again, Nick got a lot of screentime and characterization in episode 2. starting with him entering depression at the start, and his eventual confession to Walter at the end. I can kinda see WHY he is determinant, because his main story is essentially done.
Alvin had a great ending, despite being determinant, and Nick has survived longer than any determinant character so far (Ben became determinant in episode 4 of season 1, and died in the next episode, Pete died in the next episode, Alvin died in the next episode).
I think that when (or if) Nick's death ever comes, it will be very touching.
And this is a speculation thread. Nobody is saying he definitely is gay. But there are loads of people saying he is "definitely straight" which makes no sense to me.
A lot of people here are closing themselves off to the idea and stating for a fact that Nick is straight, which there is no evidence for.
Nick hasn't mentioned girls of any kind, or any past relationship, his most visible and on-screen relationship is with a guy who he quite clearly thinks the world of. It isn't a surprise that people have started to wonder if he might be gay.
That is what this thread is for, to look at the "evidence", as shaky as it might be and make up our own minds and discuss it. There is more evidence for him being gay than there is for him being straight. It's just that a lot of people automatically assume than any person who's sexuality isn't mentioned is automatically straight. They did the same for Walter and Matthew, saying that they were "just bros" and bashing anyone who disagreed. And they WERE gay.
EDIT: oh and I didn't imply you were downvoting anyone, it's just you were saying we were downvoting everyone, when there is lots of downvoting going around on both sides.
I honestly don't understand why you are bringing the idea of incest into this.
You don't have to point out you aren't homophobic, it's fairly obvious if you are or you aren't, we are not stupid.
It's those who are being bigots and homophobes who have derailed the thread completely, or those claiming things as facts.
This could have been a perfectly civil thread if the mods had actually helped remove some of the obviously offensive comments.
Also, Luke is DEFINITELY not gay. If you stay silent during his first meeting wth Clem, he says something like "Kid, I'm an expert at talking to girls who don't want to talk to me."
I totally understand the desire to be represented as normal - hell, I've NEVER seen any character with a foot fetish presented as normal - but ultimately, none of you are going to change your minds, so why argue over this? Walter being gay wasn't a big deal. And Nick being gay wouldn't serve the story in any unique way. Unless, maybe, Pete was homophobic or something, but I really doubt that.
Also, this is quite a good thread. I may not agree with you, OP, but hey, I appreciate the interesting reading material.
"Luke, i love you more than in a brotherly way!"
And Luke be like:
"Sorry, Nick, no homo."
Personally, i don't believe Nick to be gay. But, since there have been plenty couples in TWD, i also don't see why a gay couple couldn't be introduced.
Either way, Nick being gay will not change anything, so it would be a rather pointless addition to his character.