Do you believe that Nick is gay?

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  • AAAAAY!!! Guys I think Nick is gay after all. He just sent me a text that said: "Homies over Hoes." O-O
  • ok first of all if you were listening nick told a whole story of the background between him and luke they are pretty much brothers,second of all most of the stuff you said makes no sense what so ever,a spacing problem well duh there is a spacing problem it was a small cabin with 7 people living in it it had two bedrooms, and all the times you said there was a "touchy feeling" between them was when pete died and he was the closest friend he had, and what do you mean all they talk about is each other they barley talk,the only time they talk is when somethings happening,and the phrase "are you coming to tuck me in"was a joke,luke has been friends with him for a while and nick loosing the only family member he had left kind of drove him nuts nick has noticed he is always trying to make sure hes alright,how does any of this give any hint whatsoever of nick being gay
  • ...... I think you need to leave.
    That1Guy posted: »

    Melons, Trip. Just... melons. (FACADE REFERENCEEEE)

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    I really don't mind if Nick's gay or not. I just like his character. All I'd see is nick, not gay Nick or straight Nick. I feel like it'd be good for the game and telltale if the were to make him gay, but whatever they choose is okay with me. It would really would be nice for the LGBT+ supporters if telltale did do something a bit different than what we've seen in-game so far.
    skoothz posted: »

    Agreed. Matthew and Walter really only seemed to exist to give Nick (and Kenny) angst, which is honestly another reason I think it'd be a wi

  • Agreed. I love Nick a lot, he's my favorite character, so I'll love him no matter what. I just think it would be a very, very wise decision for Telltale to make him gay, given my reasoning above, and the fact that there's a handful of things that we've discussed in this thread that could easily back it up.
    Tenmile posted: »

    I really don't mind if Nick's gay or not. I just like his character. All I'd see is nick, not gay Nick or straight Nick. I feel like it'd be

  • edited May 2014
    Before Harm Way was release I didn't Nick was gay or bi but now I think he might be either one of those because of what this user brought up. Nick was talking about Luke like if he was the hope of light or something which may me think maybe that's what Telltale is aiming for since most people here would like to see more gay couples like Walt and Matthew. So umm yeah.

    (Sorry for any bad grammar, my English isn't good right now)

    I just don't understand where the feelings are coming from? I just don't get it. How can you think someone is gay that exhibits no sign of being gay?

  • edited May 2014
    Wish I could talk about this without spoilers, but I can't, nor can a thread like this be made or this topic discussed without referring to information that would spoil the story, or getting comments that do.

    1. Space being a problem doesn't make Nick's orientation any more questionable than if it weren't. This point is completely invalid.

    2. Right now, Nick's the "jumpy" one. He's the one people are worried about, and he and Luke are at least pals, so it definitely makes sense for Luke to be worried about him and defending him. 1)He almost shot kid he barely knew, 2)he has a rebellious attitude whenever heat for his questionable competence is aimed at him, 3)he lost his father figure, and 4)rashly jumped to the conclusion that lethal action needed to be taken against someone with shoddy reasoning backing him, and took that action personally, 5)spending no reasonable amount of time analyzing the situation. If it were my best friend, I wouldn't shut up about it. On the other hand, another way of trying to protect a friend who's emotional stability is reasonably under serious scrutiny is to discourage discussion about it. Luke talks about Nick because Luke is Luke, and whether he chooses to express his concern or discourage the concerns of others regarding his best friend is no indication of his orientation.

    3. I think it's hilarious that "caress" is used to describe the physical interaction between them. The only time I noticed physical interaction was when Luke was trying to pull Nick away from his uncle's corpse because he was worried Nick would stay too long. I think it emphasizes just how badly they want to avoid the people looking for them.

    4. You're judging how quickly someone objects to a familiar tone in exclusion to all other factors. He's hearing this odd remark from a man they just met who is just as disagreeable, if not more(Clem did know Kenny, but the last time she saw him was two years ago and *they* never knew each other for longer than a few months before then). And this is Nick; he has a habit of taking the negative view, as such his outburst shouldn't have been surprising.

    5. A flirty tone. It was clearly sardonic, first and foremost. Flirty would have required a little more follow-up, such as "not that I mind", etc.

    You seem to have a pretty straightforward label on how straight and gay men act. In truth, a man's orientation has no bearing on how he acts towards men and women he's attracted to, and all of the points above are nowhere near clear indications when said participants of the social interactions observed are close friends and have been for years.

    You're free to think Nick might be gay, and maybe you're right. But it's your argument that is fallible when the only points you can make are based on how two people act towards each other in disregard to all other factors.
  • Fair enough. At least you gave evidence besides "there's nothing to indicate Luke's not attracted to women." :D
    CatySky posted: »

    Well, if you stay silent when you meet him he says something like : "I hate to break this to you kid but, I am an expert at talking to girls who don't want to talk to me", sounds pretty straight to me.

  • I am bi, so I know what it is like to be attracted to a dude, and I can tell that Nick has the hots for Luke, now I don't think that Luke likes Nick, but I do think Nick is likely BI or Homosexual. I personally do not think it would be a pointless addition, any gay character in any video game is saying a lot. "Hey homophobes, fuck you. Nothing is wrong with gay people." I know that they did this with Walter and Matthew. There are homophobic people still around, and they are not at all rare, but having people who are gay, and really cool characters in video games, says a lot. For religious reasons, a lot of people do not like gay people because they are considered a "Perversion" and they tend to avoid gay people, and having a total BADASS who is also gay, shows that gay people are normal people too. I personally think there needs to be more characters like this in media in general, because homophobic people (especially at my school, which is a big reason I haven't told anyone at my school I am Bisexual) are still common, especially in America, where christians are in the majority, and a majority of those christians (not all of them, some of them are fucking awesome) interpret the bible in a way that makes them fear, or even hate gay people.
    Azlyn posted: »

    Yeah, maybe. I mean, yeah, i have no problem with Nick being gay, he's still the same Nick that i love. But his being gay would be a pointle

  • Could easily be bi.

    The point is, we have no idea until it's actually stated or made incredibly obvious.
    CatySky posted: »

    Well, if you stay silent when you meet him he says something like : "I hate to break this to you kid but, I am an expert at talking to girls who don't want to talk to me", sounds pretty straight to me.

  • Hardly any of these make sense. Nick wasn't caressing him when they hugged. It was just a simple bro hug. They're practically brothers, not blood brothers, but those people you grew up with basically all of your life. I doubt Nick is gay, if he had attractions towards someone it would probably be Bonnie.
  • edited May 2014
    Hmm... You do have some good points.

    But also, he might admire Luke, so that might be the reason of how he talks about Luke.
    True, those who are hiding something tend to get angry. But Luke seems more calm than Nick..
    But let's not forget that different people act differently.

    But still, you have do have some good and strong points.
    skoothz posted: »

    It's a lot to do with the way he talks about Luke and how defensive he got over Kenny's comment. I'm going to skip over the stuff like "he a

  • He said all of two words to Bonnie, and then spent the next scene gushing to Clementine about how great Luke is.

    It's fine if you don't see him being gay but I really don't see how him liking Bonnie makes more sense. I mean, they'd be kinda cute in theory, but I just don't see how it has more validity.

    Hardly any of these make sense. Nick wasn't caressing him when they hugged. It was just a simple bro hug. They're practically brothers, not

  • Exactly. We know that Luke likes women, but that doesn't necessarily mean he DOESN'T like men as well.
    Flog61 posted: »

    Could easily be bi. The point is, we have no idea until it's actually stated or made incredibly obvious.

  • I doubt Luke is Bisexual.
    I didn't get that feeling from him.
    Having a bisexual girlfriend, I know what I'm talking about.
    Flog61 posted: »

    Could easily be bi. The point is, we have no idea until it's actually stated or made incredibly obvious.

  • Thanks. And, I mean, I know it's all totally speculative. I could be completely wrong with everything I'm saying--I'm just pointing out that it's a lot more open to interpretation than most people on this forum seem to think it is.

    Hmm... You do have some good points. But also, he might admire Luke, so that might be the reason of how he talks about Luke. True, th

  • Don't you think they can just be a very good friends who make it through the ZA and can count on each other?

    Lol people, why you are so gaymaniacs?
  • Is Gaymaniacs like Animaniacs, except all the characters are gay? I always knew Yakko pitched for the other team...
    ChytraQuoza posted: »

    Don't you think they can just be a very good friends who make it through the ZA and can count on each other? Lol people, why you are so gaymaniacs?

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    Umm, what on earth do you mean?

    How could you possibly know what all bi people are like from having a bisexual girlfriend?

    Sexuality does not define personality.

    I have a gay husband, but that doesn't mean I can automatically tell if every single person I meet is gay or not.
    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    I doubt Luke is Bisexual. I didn't get that feeling from him. Having a bisexual girlfriend, I know what I'm talking about.

  • I mean it doesn't have "to come true" as you said, it already is. If missing a member of the same sex and then defending yourself when someone calls you gay, makes you gay, than I and about half of America is gay.
    Evinshir posted: »

    Uh... No. Telltale had two "openly" gay characters and failed to do that properly - see the Walter/Matthew "they're just bros" debate t

  • Sorry to say that but: holy shit! I ain't reading that wall of text. I will just register your disapproval and let us go our own ways. kkthxbb
    Evinshir posted: »

    I find it interesting that you accuse gay gamers of ramming it down your throat, but you feel the need to come in here and effectively say e

  • Excuse me, but i never mentioned "fags" anywhere, let alone "fag lovers" That was a term given by you. And the thing about homos and their fans hating on non-homos isn't so far fetched. I have seen it plenty of times. You can make the test. When some gay people come out of the closet in front of people, say "I am straight" as proudly as they are for being gay. The least you will get are mean looks by everyone. If that's not hating, I don't know what is.
    skoothz posted: »

    Thank you. I can get pretty heated, I'll totally admit that, but with people like the guy above just barging in and calling us all "fag lovers," I really don't see how WE'RE the ones hating on people.

  • Hm, should I also say the same about child porn and stuff?

    Dude, if it's not to my taste, it's gross. That's normal. When you dislike pudding, for example, you are also telling people you think it's gross. Same thing.
    skoothz posted: »

    No ones asking you to buckle down and watch gay porn, but saying "it's natural for me to be repulsed by the idea of two men sharing harmless intimacy" is kinda fucked up.

  • Dude - You're not even making sense anymore.

    I mean it doesn't have "to come true" as you said, it already is. If missing a member of the same sex and then defending yourself when someone calls you gay, makes you gay, than I and about half of America is gay.

  • Okay alright I spent a lot of time arguing on this thread but never actually contributed my full two cents. I ended up getting really extensive in a reply so I just figured I'd post it separately. This is an extension of another reply I made to someone else in this thread but with more detail.

    Buckle your seatbelts because this is going to be long.

    For what it's worth I personally disagree with most of OP's assessment and have my own ideas on why it could be a possibility, so I'm going to approach this from a different perspective. I will reiterate that this is all PURELY SPECULATIVE and it is OKAY if you disagree with me and don't see it this way, just please be respectful.

    Personally, I think it's a lot to do with the way he talks about Luke and how defensive he got over Kenny's comment. I'm going to skip over the stuff like "he and Luke share the same room" or "they hugged once" because personally I don't consider that very solid evidence of anything other than a friendship. I also don't think, assuming Nick is gay and has feelings for Luke, that Luke shares those same feelings, so any "shippy" proof like that I'm not really going to touch on.

    So Nick speaks of Luke with a LOT of reverence, and I think we can all agree it's not necessarily gay to look up to a friend. In episode 2 he clearly has conflicted feelings about Luke. He looks up to him a lot and thinks the world of him, but he's also incredibly jealous of him. It kind of straddles that classic fine like of "Do I want to be him or bang him?" But in episode 3 (which I personally found a little strange and somewhat uncharacteristic given the previous development of Nick having really conflicted feelings) he's really just about gushing when he talks of Luke. It comes off like a crush, really. Most of his dialogue in episode 3 was either defending Luke, agreeing with Luke, or talking about how great and smart he is and how he's going to save everyone. I still can't tell if this is just a poor translation of character between writers and Shorette accidentally flanderized him into a Luke fanboy, or if the team as a whole is really trying to drive it home that he's got feelings for Luke. Admiration isn't necessarily indicative of infatuation, but personally I'd be upset and conflicted if my best friend seemingly disappeared when I had to get carted off back to a prison-like compound. There's one friend of mine who I know I'd probably make excuses for and it's the one I'm head over heels with. Different people express attraction in different ways but personally speaking, I find myself talking about my friend the way Nick does of Luke.

    And, in terms of the "match" thing, when someone gets overly defensive over an inane comment like the one Kenny made, it kind of indicates that it's because they've got something to hide. Luke raised his eyebrows but didn't seem particularly bothered by it, because he knew it wasn't really a big deal, considering it's the zombie apocalypse and shit like that doesn't matter anymore. It's one thing (one rather obnoxious thing) to freak out if someone thinks you're gay in our world because in our society that has weight. There is no larger society in the zombie apocalypse and therefore a lot of social constructs don't matter. Most people three years in would be aware of this. Nick's reaction implied a very deep-seated fear--perhaps a fear of being found out. Nick is a very self-conscious person and clearly has issues with his own masculinity. It's so classically Freudian to say this but it definitely has to do with his father not being around (his self-image, that is, not his theoretical homosexuality). Note, for example, how upset he got with Pete telling Clementine the buck story. He's so self-conscious that the idea of even some little girl he doesn't know hearing a story about him that makes him sound vulnerable. He's been shown to have a habit of reacting defensively when something personal that threatens his masculinity is brought up, which makes me think that Kenny's comment hit closer to home than one might initially think.

    Also, Nick himself is sort of a closet case archetype--to speak in terms of story writing. The whole "guy who presents himself as tough but actually has daddy issues and emotional turmoil underneath his seemingly gruff exterior" is a pretty common characterization for characters in films, books, television, etc who are closeted homosexuals. Telltale's pretty good at avoiding tropes like that so it's more just a side note, but it's a side note worth mentioning, I suppose.

    And personally I don't really count this as evidence but I'll play devil's advocate and try to defend it anyway: I've made flirty, tongue-in-cheek jokes to friends that I actually do like romantically but feel too shy to actually outwardly flirt with. I'll present it as sarcastic and they'll interpret it that way but there's a part of me that is kind of serious, but feels "safe" making jokes like that because I feel like I can express affection towards them without risking awkwardness or getting turned down. I'll repeat that I don't personally view the "Coming to tuck me in?" comment as evidence he could be gay, but I figured I'd just give that perspective to consider.

    So in conclusion I feel like Nick has a lot of dialogue and behavior that could very easily lend itself as proof that he's gay, but it could very easily NOT be. I personally would like it to be that he's gay, because a lot of LGBT+ fans were not satisfied with Walter and Matthew as representation, because they got very little screen time, died in the same episode they were introduced, and were portrayed in a very vague and subtle manner. Nick being gay would be a wise way to make up for this, as he was the one to kill Matthew--it lends a rather tragic irony to the situation, especially if you'd like to go with the interpretation that he's closeted, because he bungled his own opportunity at possibly talking to really kind-hearted people that could have helped him accept himself.

    Again, it is absolutely OKAY if you disagree with me, just please have respect for the thought I put into this and the fact that I personally would like to see him portrayed this way.
  • Two consenting adult men is not the same thing as children being violated against their will.

    Hm, should I also say the same about child porn and stuff? Dude, if it's not to my taste, it's gross. That's normal. When you dislike pudding, for example, you are also telling people you think it's gross. Same thing.

  • Because announcing "i'm straight" undermines the person coming out. It's mocking it.

    Coming out still requires a ton of bravery. There is no need to announce that you are straight, it's expected and nobody will hate you for it.

    Excuse me, but i never mentioned "fags" anywhere, let alone "fag lovers" That was a term given by you. And the thing about homos and their f

  • You didn't say "fag lovers." I was talking about a completely different guy in this thread.

    and lmao if you try to make someone's coming out about you and your heterosexuality you probably deserve dirty looks just sayin'

    Excuse me, but i never mentioned "fags" anywhere, let alone "fag lovers" That was a term given by you. And the thing about homos and their f

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    aha, so where did the "being straight isn't the norm." bullshit go, then? If straight isn't the norm, being straight should meet at least as much approval as being gay. If announcing someone's heterosexuality is considered mockery, then declaring one's homosexuality is nothing short of attention seeking. After all, they expect me to care about their sexuality and want me to approve it, when I in fact don't give a shit.
    Ayrtonius posted: »

    Because announcing "i'm straight" undermines the person coming out. It's mocking it. Coming out still requires a ton of bravery. There is no need to announce that you are straight, it's expected and nobody will hate you for it.

  • Shut up weeb.

    aha, so where did the "being straight isn't the norm." bullshit go, then? If straight isn't the norm, being straight should meet at least as

  • This ended up being WAY longer than I anticipated so I totally commend anyone who actually reads the whole thing.
    skoothz posted: »

    Okay alright I spent a lot of time arguing on this thread but never actually contributed my full two cents. I ended up getting really extens

  • They're just long time best friends
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    I agree with Ouma. Two guys can be real close and be friends. I really doesn't matter if they are both gay, they might just be really close friends. Sexuality is completely irrelevant anyway. Ouma has said nothing offensive, nothing hateful and is just stating an opinion many people including myself agree with. I am a Bi-sexual, which means I like men. I don't take offense to this post so people who are taking offense when you aren't even remotely homosexual just think about this.

    before people on the internet started to see homosexuals everwhere for their own strange reasons (most likely to satisfy their dirty fantasi

  • Way to show off your maturity, kid.
    skoothz posted: »

    Shut up weeb.

  • sure, you go on kissing gay asses to look better in front of the rest of society.
    skoothz posted: »

    You didn't say "fag lovers." I was talking about a completely different guy in this thread. and lmao if you try to make someone's coming out about you and your heterosexuality you probably deserve dirty looks just sayin'

  • lol

    Way to show off your maturity, kid.

  • Why does he deserve dirty looks? Why is this such a big fuckin' deal about being gay or not? Can people get over the fact that people have different sexual preferences without making a big deal out of it. If I told someone about my sexuality I wouldn't want a fuss over me. I want to be treated like anyone else. It's just fuckin' stupid and people feel they need to kill the LGBT community's asses. You don't ...
    skoothz posted: »

    You didn't say "fag lovers." I was talking about a completely different guy in this thread. and lmao if you try to make someone's coming out about you and your heterosexuality you probably deserve dirty looks just sayin'

  • Reeeegiiiii, mah friend. You understand me :D
    Regi_ posted: »

    I agree with Ouma. Two guys can be real close and be friends. I really doesn't matter if they are both gay, they might just be really close

  • I don't think Nick is gay. Even if they do share the room or bed, it has been established Nick and Luke go back. Yes, Nick and Pete are sorta family but they don't really get along. This seems kind of baseless to me anyway. I would like to think no one gives a crap who's gay or not when the world has gone to shit. Even someone like Kenny isn't disapproving of Walter/Matthew even though I would think before all this crap Kenny would be a conservative kind of guy.
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