Nick doesn't really seem gay to me. All gays I've encountered this far have a kinda "girly" personality which Nick seems to lack. He's depressive, suicidial and aggressive, that is certain, maybe he lost all interest in sexuality already.
Personality and sexuality do not go hand-in-hand. The idea that gay men are generally all girly is a stereotype. There are a lot of very masculine gay men.
Nick doesn't really seem gay to me. All gays I've encountered this far have a kinda "girly" personality which Nick seems to lack. He's depressive, suicidial and aggressive, that is certain, maybe he lost all interest in sexuality already.
Personality and sexuality do not go hand-in-hand. The idea that gay men are generally all girly is a stereotype. There are a lot of very masculine gay men.
Dayum, that was some solid speculating. I agree with everything you said here.
Speaking of the flirty "tuck me in" line though, what I found interesting was that it occurred so soon after the comment made by Kenny, it's kinda weird, it's like they reacted like it was a big deal, but when it was just them (and Clem) they loosened up and started talking very "flirty" or close.
We don't really ever see Nick and Luke talking things out, many times in the first episode I noticed that there seemed to be a lot going on behind the scenes between them, and they often walk off together. This was the first time we really see them alone and comfortable together (Clem is our proxy) and then that flirty line happened, which kinda suggests to me that the two of them act differently when they are alone.
It also raises questions about Telltale, who followed the "look like a match" comment (which put the idea in peoples heads) with that flirty exchange, which made the idea look even more possible. They must have known it would look that way. I've been wondering if they had been doing it on purpose.
And that brings me to the point I was originally going to make: If you look it at that way, that Telltale has been hinting at this all season, then Nick's comments in episode 3 aren't really out of place.
Plus there is that whole scene on the bridge where Nick want's to go with Luke on the bridge, and gives his absolute best puppy dog look when Luke says no. even Luke looks really sad after that exchange and says how he is worried about Nick. It kinda supports both gay!Nick and Nuke.
I'm kinda getting ahead of myself, but I dunno. Telltale must have known the way Nick and Luke would have looked to some people and are actively enforcing the idea in small ways. And with Nick's very crush-like attitude in episode 3, and the inclusion of Bonnie as a potential love rival, it kinda looks like this is leading somewhere, rather than just fan-pandering.
At the very least I would like it if Nick's eventual death scene (if he gets one!) would put the theory to rest, but i'm worried that Telltale won't do it, looking at how vague Walter and Matthew were.
Then again, even if Nick was to outright say "I love you Luke", there would still be those who'd say "I say I love my friends all the time, doesn't make me gay"
Okay alright I spent a lot of time arguing on this thread but never actually contributed my full two cents. I ended up getting really extens… moreive in a reply so I just figured I'd post it separately. This is an extension of another reply I made to someone else in this thread but with more detail.
Buckle your seatbelts because this is going to be long.
For what it's worth I personally disagree with most of OP's assessment and have my own ideas on why it could be a possibility, so I'm going to approach this from a different perspective. I will reiterate that this is all PURELY SPECULATIVE and it is OKAY if you disagree with me and don't see it this way, just please be respectful.
Personally, I think it's a lot to do with the way he talks about Luke and how defensive he got over Kenny's comment. I'm going to skip over the stuff like "he and Luke share the same room" or "they hugged once" because personally I don't consider that very … [view original content]
This only reason you think that is because you only notice a guy is gay if he's a girly gay man. You don't notice when a normal gay guy is gay because that's the totally normal dude standing next to you on the bus or the cashier at the supermarket.
If the only gay people you have encountered are girly, then you are the denominating factor, not them.
Nick doesn't really seem gay to me. All gays I've encountered this far have a kinda "girly" personality which Nick seems to lack. He's depressive, suicidial and aggressive, that is certain, maybe he lost all interest in sexuality already.
Personality and sexuality do not go hand-in-hand. The idea that gay men are generally all girly is a stereotype. There are a lot of very masculine gay men.
But being straight IS the norm. When did anyone say that wasn't the case?
Straight people have no need to announce their sexuality, because society already automatically assumes and expects that they are.
A lot of people automatically assume a person is straight until they are told otherwise (unless the person in question is a very feminine, very showy guy or a very manly girl, in which case they assume they are gay, but could still end up being wrong).
Coming out is a big deal, people could hate you for it, it requires bravery to live openly and freely without hiding an important aspect of yourself. Straight people don't need to hide their sexuality at all, and therefore them "coming out" is a mockery of all that makes coming out important.
Same with "Straight Pride". Straight people don't need freedom marches and the like because their freedom is not being impeded on, it's mockery.
aha, so where did the "being straight isn't the norm." bullshit go, then? If straight isn't the norm, being straight should meet at least as… more much approval as being gay. If announcing someone's heterosexuality is considered mockery, then declaring one's homosexuality is nothing short of attention seeking. After all, they expect me to care about their sexuality and want me to approve it, when I in fact don't give a shit.
A lot of people are concerned it's queerbaiting--meaning that Telltale is including lines that sound suggestive but will eventually tell us that they are straight (for example, like the television show Sherlock, where the two main characters have a very close relationship and are often mistaken for gay in canon, and the entire fandom ships them because of this, but the creators insist that they aren't and they are shown having relationships with women).
Personally I think it's teetering pretty close to that edge, which is why I also hope something is eventually confirmed, because it's kind of shitty for writers to do that and I don't want Telltale to fall into that using that tactic to appeal to fans, or use only utilize homosexuality as a joke for main characters.
It also worries me because like you said, Walter and Matthew were so incredibly subtle that I'm not sure if Telltale has the GUTS to do it. It would be very disappointing considering how well they do with representation in terms of nonwhite characters, different age groups, body types, disabilities, and women (as of late--season 2 is doing much better in terms of female characters than season 1).
Telltale needs to look at other post-apocalyptic games like Fallout: New Vegas and The Last of Us and observe the great LGBT+ representation THOSE games have, and take a leaf out of their books. Two main companions in New Vegas (which came out in 2010, mind you) were explicitly gay on top of tons of gay and bisexual side characters, and that game was amazing and very well received. The Last of Us had gay minor characters, and then outed their main girl, who's Sarah's age, as lesbian. So what's Telltale's excuse for being so hesitant?
Dayum, that was some solid speculating. I agree with everything you said here.
Speaking of the flirty "tuck me in" line though, what I … morefound interesting was that it occurred so soon after the comment made by Kenny, it's kinda weird, it's like they reacted like it was a big deal, but when it was just them (and Clem) they loosened up and started talking very "flirty" or close.
We don't really ever see Nick and Luke talking things out, many times in the first episode I noticed that there seemed to be a lot going on behind the scenes between them, and they often walk off together. This was the first time we really see them alone and comfortable together (Clem is our proxy) and then that flirty line happened, which kinda suggests to me that the two of them act differently when they are alone.
It also raises questions about Telltale, who followed the "look like a match" comment (which put the idea in peoples heads) with that flirty e… [view original content]
Honestly? I'm not sure if he's gay or not, either way seems plausible to me. There's only one thing I'm 1000% certain about: Nick is a total Luke fanboy. Did you know that if you zoom in at a 45 degree angle in their room you will see Nick in his Luke shrine, complete with Luke posters and action figures? Seriously legit, brah. Go replay it yourself.
I hear that argument quite often and to me, it is just a convenient thing for them to say to "prove" their point. I think someone replying to me said something about it not being the norm as well. I can't be bothered to look for that part in their posts, because I think it's bullshit.
well, seeing all these people starting to homosexualize something where there was no need for it and them calling every one who is indifferent about gays or just downright annoyed by all this attention seeking a homophobic bastard, I think these straight-pride events slowly become justified. If gays feel the need to force their sexuality down everyone's throat, so should heterosexuals be allowed to do the same thing.
But being straight IS the norm. When did anyone say that wasn't the case?
Straight people have no need to announce their sexuality, bec… moreause society already automatically assumes and expects that they are.
A lot of people automatically assume a person is straight until they are told otherwise (unless the person in question is a very feminine, very showy guy or a very manly girl, in which case they assume they are gay, but could still end up being wrong).
Coming out is a big deal, people could hate you for it, it requires bravery to live openly and freely without hiding an important aspect of yourself. Straight people don't need to hide their sexuality at all, and therefore them "coming out" is a mockery of all that makes coming out important.
Same with "Straight Pride". Straight people don't need freedom marches and the like because their freedom is not being impeded on, it's mockery.
Personality and sexuality do not go hand-in-hand. The idea that gay men are generally all girly is a stereotype. There are a lot of very masculine gay men.
You are really exaggerating the "Homosexualizing" of things. It's perfectly fine for gay people to project gay values on a show or a game or a character, because it's nice to feel represented and to have characters to relate too. Which is a problem straight people never have.
Imagine what it is like for a gay person to see straight relationships day in and day out, every day, where every action film or fantasy film HAS to have a girl and a boy falling in love or having sex just for the hell of it. straight people and straight romance is represented EVERYWHERE.
And you say gay people are forcing their sexuality down peoples throats? that's bullshit and you know it. Gay people NEED to bring attention to themselves, or they will never be equal, they will always be underrepresented and treated like they don't exist.
You have no idea what it's like growing up and feeling like you are not normal because your idea of what romance is, is shown to be completely different by everyone around you, and by every source of media imaginable.
I hear that argument quite often and to me, it is just a convenient thing for them to say to "prove" their point. I think someone replying t… moreo me said something about it not being the norm as well. I can't be bothered to look for that part in their posts, because I think it's bullshit.
well, seeing all these people starting to homosexualize something where there was no need for it and them calling every one who is indifferent about gays or just downright annoyed by all this attention seeking a homophobic bastard, I think these straight-pride events slowly become justified. If gays feel the need to force their sexuality down everyone's throat, so should heterosexuals be allowed to do the same thing.
You saying you think that humanity is becoming shittier when they speculate on a fictional characters sexual orientation(and nothing more)? Not any of the other threads that popped up like "Who is sexiest" or" Would clem or sarah make a good GF"? Really? Maybe if people were writing shitty fanfic and art, but over speculation and discussion?
Well, I was at the bar once with friends and one guy asked us some question and I didn't even notice that it was a guy because it looked like a girl with all the makeup n stuff and I only realized when my friend, who generally despises gays (he's an academic and not American) went away with a look of disgust.
But okay, maybe not all gays are like this, but many vocal ones or the ones you get to know are like this, or generally more "cheery". And I'll probably not see whether a guy is gay or not if I don't have more insight in his personality, but in Nick's case, he is definitely not gay.
You know what, I don't really care at all, gay is popular and hence everyone is gay and shit, even Pete and Luke and Carlos but I find it very funny how easily Americans can get influenced by their medias. I mean, in 2012 even Obama was against gay marriage and now you attack people and get them fired for having an opinion that isn't yours.
This is really really stupid.
This only reason you think that is because you only notice a guy is gay if he's a girly gay man. You don'… moret notice when a normal gay guy is gay because that's the totally normal dude standing next to you on the bus or the cashier at the supermarket.
If the only gay people you have encountered are girly, then you are the denominating factor, not them.
You saying you think that humanity is becoming shittier when they speculate on a fictional characters sexual orientation(and nothing more)? … moreNot any of the other threads that popped up like "Who is sexiest" or" Would clem or sarah make a good GF"? Really? Maybe if people were writing shitty fanfic and art, but over speculation and discussion?
You saying you think that humanity is becoming shittier when they speculate on a fictional characters sexual orientation(and nothing more)? … moreNot any of the other threads that popped up like "Who is sexiest" or" Would clem or sarah make a good GF"? Really? Maybe if people were writing shitty fanfic and art, but over speculation and discussion?
liking, because I love it when people point out logical fallacies. wakeup1 also is using faulty use of emotional appeal, specifically the appeal to pity.
Care to point out these d-bags in specific examples? Painting with a broad might make you seem a bit disingenuous. I imagine if you you name… mored them personally, they might be offended by your ad hominem attack even if it is well-grounded. Could you blame them for being just as offended by your disparaging charge? Just saying, with all due respect.
I've never heard the term queerbaiting before, I knew what it meant, just never heard the term. I'll use that from now on :P
And yeah, i'm really worried too that it is just queerbaiting. I find it shitty when writers do that, to attract a sizeable LGBT fanbase and keep them strung along without ever actually having to be inclusive or write an actual gay relationship.
Can you imagine how good representation Luke and Nick together would be? If telltale actually went through with it, they would probably be one of, if not the most famous example of a gay couple in gaming. Not just one-shot characters,they are main characters, with one of them being considered a Deuteragonist too. Luke is manly and strong and brave, and Nick is sweet, sensitive, but just as brave, with a very typically straight guy look. It would be an amazing double or even triple whammy of representation.
There is still time for them to do it, if they wanted. But I guess we shouldn't get our hopes up. We still got more representation than I expected (Walter and Matthew were a big moment for me), and it came at the same time that Tara in the show was bumped up to a main character. So I guess I can't complain. But I still can't stop hoping for more.
A lot of people are concerned it's queerbaiting--meaning that Telltale is including lines that sound suggestive but will eventually tell us … morethat they are straight (for example, like the television show Sherlock, where the two main characters have a very close relationship and are often mistaken for gay in canon, and the entire fandom ships them because of this, but the creators insist that they aren't and they are shown having relationships with women).
Personally I think it's teetering pretty close to that edge, which is why I also hope something is eventually confirmed, because it's kind of shitty for writers to do that and I don't want Telltale to fall into that using that tactic to appeal to fans, or use only utilize homosexuality as a joke for main characters.
It also worries me because like you said, Walter and Matthew were so incredibly subtle that I'm not sure if Telltale has the GUTS to do it. It would be very disappointin… [view original content]
Well, I was at the bar once with friends and one guy asked us some question and I didn't even notice that it was a guy because it looked lik… moree a girl with all the makeup n stuff and I only realized when my friend, who generally despises gays (he's an academic and not American) went away with a look of disgust.
But okay, maybe not all gays are like this, but many vocal ones or the ones you get to know are like this, or generally more "cheery". And I'll probably not see whether a guy is gay or not if I don't have more insight in his personality, but in Nick's case, he is definitely not gay.
You know what, I don't really care at all, gay is popular and hence everyone is gay and shit, even Pete and Luke and Carlos but I find it very funny how easily Americans can get influenced by their medias. I mean, in 2012 even Obama was against gay marriage and now you attack people and get them fired for having an opinion that isn't yours.
Well your post was incredibly vague and wasn't a reply to anything. Maybe if you replied to a guy saying the homophobic shit and not to the main post you wouldn't have been misinterpreted.
What the FUCK? He's not trying to manipulate you for his Gay Agenda you jackass he's saying the content of this thread upset him and I don't blame him because if you're LGBT+ it IS upsetting. Especially when people like you come in and invalidate his feelings by acting like he's got some fucking ulterior motive.
liking, because I love it when people point out logical fallacies. wakeup1 also is using faulty use of emotional appeal, specifically the appeal to pity.
Except I wasn't replying directly to him I was replying to every single homophobic idiot in this entire forum and in general
That's why I said I'll say this again I said in another thread asking "do you think nick is straight"
Well your post was incredibly vague and wasn't a reply to anything. Maybe if you replied to a guy saying the homophobic shit and not to the main post you wouldn't have been misinterpreted.
Do you genuinely, genuinely think most gay guys wear makeup? Because that's just factually untrue.
the ones you 'get to know' are your actions not theirs. The 'vocal ones' provides a much narrower pool, from which it is silly to stereotype.
The reason lots of people are gay is not because it's 'popular'. That's exceptionally ignorant. Science has proven that homosexuality is not a choice.
On the subject of 'firing people who have an opinion that isn't yours', look at it this way. If some guy in a company said he thinks black people are second class citizens, do you think that's acceptable? If some girl said that black people should not be allowed to marry white people, is that acceptable? Would that not be a darn good reason for getting rid of them?
Well, I was at the bar once with friends and one guy asked us some question and I didn't even notice that it was a guy because it looked lik… moree a girl with all the makeup n stuff and I only realized when my friend, who generally despises gays (he's an academic and not American) went away with a look of disgust.
But okay, maybe not all gays are like this, but many vocal ones or the ones you get to know are like this, or generally more "cheery". And I'll probably not see whether a guy is gay or not if I don't have more insight in his personality, but in Nick's case, he is definitely not gay.
You know what, I don't really care at all, gay is popular and hence everyone is gay and shit, even Pete and Luke and Carlos but I find it very funny how easily Americans can get influenced by their medias. I mean, in 2012 even Obama was against gay marriage and now you attack people and get them fired for having an opinion that isn't yours.
Except I wasn't replying directly to him I was replying to every single homophobic idiot in this entire forum and in general
That's why I said I'll say this again I said in another thread asking "do you think nick is straight"
Want to lose whatever it's left of your fate? Go to the youtube comments of any video about LGBT+. I facepalmed for a while one other day because of it.
I wasn't invalidating his feelings, I was just pointing out some logical fallacies he utilized in his argument. Everyone uses logical fallacies all the time, myself included, whether they know it or not. Whether those feelings he is talking about are fake or not, it doesn't negate that he used a logical fallacy to support his claim. I see this thread as a debate topic, so I was looking at it from an objective stance, but I can see how my comment came across cold and unsympathetic.
What the FUCK? He's not trying to manipulate you for his Gay Agenda you jackass he's saying the content of this thread upset him and I don't… more blame him because if you're LGBT+ it IS upsetting. Especially when people like you come in and invalidate his feelings by acting like he's got some fucking ulterior motive.
It came across as very unsympathetic, yeah. I personally can get pretty... colorful, with my language, I'll warrant that, but for the most part I treat stuff like this as debates too, I keep my emotion out of it. But I can totally understand why it would hurt someone and it's important to respect that.
I wasn't invalidating his feelings, I was just pointing out some logical fallacies he utilized in his argument. Everyone uses logical fallac… moreies all the time, myself included, whether they know it or not. Whether those feelings he is talking about are fake or not, it doesn't negate that he used a logical fallacy to support his claim. I see this thread as a debate topic, so I was looking at it from an objective stance, but I can see how my comment came across cold and unsympathetic.
I'm going to confess that I'm actually reluctant to push for Nick and Luke as a couple.
I've expressed this a few times here and on tumblr and been met with a lot of torn views, but I personally don't think Luke treats Nick very well. I think Luke subconsciously patronizes Nick due to his depression, and speaking as someone who struggles with depression, I've had "Lukes" in my life who have used the same language he does and it's been really hurtful and toxic, even if they don't actually mean for it to be. He calls him a "kid" and says things like "He's not fit to tie his own shoes" and puts more trust in Clementine than he does Nick, and if they've really been friends for 20 years then he should have more respect for him than that. And it's actually really, really sad to see that and then compare it to how Nick practically idolizes him. Honestly I could write a lot about this, way more than what I wrote above, but it's digressing a lot so I won't.
I just personally don't think they'd make a very healthy couple. It'd be interesting to see that played out because it's complex and intriguing, but a gay couple where one guy is constantly putting down the other isn't the best kind of representation, you know what I mean?
I've never heard the term queerbaiting before, I knew what it meant, just never heard the term. I'll use that from now on :P
And yeah, … morei'm really worried too that it is just queerbaiting. I find it shitty when writers do that, to attract a sizeable LGBT fanbase and keep them strung along without ever actually having to be inclusive or write an actual gay relationship.
Can you imagine how good representation Luke and Nick together would be? If telltale actually went through with it, they would probably be one of, if not the most famous example of a gay couple in gaming. Not just one-shot characters,they are main characters, with one of them being considered a Deuteragonist too. Luke is manly and strong and brave, and Nick is sweet, sensitive, but just as brave, with a very typically straight guy look. It would be an amazing double or even triple whammy of representation.
There is still time for them to do it, if they wanted. Bu… [view original content]
To be honest, after reading comments that use the word faggot, yeah i think its safe to say theres some real insulting stuff going on this thread without any moderation. Now im being accused of being manipulating people emotionally, trust me ive dealt with some shit because of my sexuality but to be told im not aloud to get offended because of it is just WOW. Skoothz, i deeply respect the amount of time you have put into this thread with a level head, just wish i could say the same for some of the others.
It came across as very unsympathetic, yeah. I personally can get pretty... colorful, with my language, I'll warrant that, but for the most p… moreart I treat stuff like this as debates too, I keep my emotion out of it. But I can totally understand why it would hurt someone and it's important to respect that.
It IS insulting. How you look and act has NOTHING to do with your sexuality. The idea that all gay men are "feminine" is a stereotype. Now, there's nothing wrong with gay men who do act like that, but they do NOT represent the entire gay community. There are real gay men with personalities like Nick's that exist. There are gay men and women in the world who probably look and act like all the characters in TWDG, because the gay community is just as diverse in character as any other group.
"Also, Luke is DEFINITELY not gay. If you stay silent during his first meeting wth Clem, he says something like "Kid, I'm an expert at talking to girls who don't want to talk to me.""
As far as I'm concerned, Nick is asexual. It doesn't matter if he's straight *or* gay. Let's say Luke dies. If Nick is straight, he is upset… more. If Nick is gay, he is still upset. Same reaction. So, what's the point?
Also, Luke is DEFINITELY not gay. If you stay silent during his first meeting wth Clem, he says something like "Kid, I'm an expert at talking to girls who don't want to talk to me."
I totally understand the desire to be represented as normal - hell, I've NEVER seen any character with a foot fetish presented as normal - but ultimately, none of you are going to change your minds, so why argue over this? Walter being gay wasn't a big deal. And Nick being gay wouldn't serve the story in any unique way. Unless, maybe, Pete was homophobic or something, but I really doubt that.
Also, this is quite a good thread. I may not agree with you, OP, but hey, I appreciate the interesting reading material.
Do you genuinely, genuinely think most gay guys wear makeup? Because that's just factually untrue.
the ones you 'get to know' are your … moreactions not theirs. The 'vocal ones' provides a much narrower pool, from which it is silly to stereotype.
The reason lots of people are gay is not because it's 'popular'. That's exceptionally ignorant. Science has proven that homosexuality is not a choice.
On the subject of 'firing people who have an opinion that isn't yours', look at it this way. If some guy in a company said he thinks black people are second class citizens, do you think that's acceptable? If some girl said that black people should not be allowed to marry white people, is that acceptable? Would that not be a darn good reason for getting rid of them?
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Speaking of the flirty "tuck me in" line though, what I found interesting was that it occurred so soon after the comment made by Kenny, it's kinda weird, it's like they reacted like it was a big deal, but when it was just them (and Clem) they loosened up and started talking very "flirty" or close.
We don't really ever see Nick and Luke talking things out, many times in the first episode I noticed that there seemed to be a lot going on behind the scenes between them, and they often walk off together. This was the first time we really see them alone and comfortable together (Clem is our proxy) and then that flirty line happened, which kinda suggests to me that the two of them act differently when they are alone.
It also raises questions about Telltale, who followed the "look like a match" comment (which put the idea in peoples heads) with that flirty exchange, which made the idea look even more possible. They must have known it would look that way. I've been wondering if they had been doing it on purpose.
And that brings me to the point I was originally going to make: If you look it at that way, that Telltale has been hinting at this all season, then Nick's comments in episode 3 aren't really out of place.
Plus there is that whole scene on the bridge where Nick want's to go with Luke on the bridge, and gives his absolute best puppy dog look when Luke says no. even Luke looks really sad after that exchange and says how he is worried about Nick. It kinda supports both gay!Nick and Nuke.
I'm kinda getting ahead of myself, but I dunno. Telltale must have known the way Nick and Luke would have looked to some people and are actively enforcing the idea in small ways. And with Nick's very crush-like attitude in episode 3, and the inclusion of Bonnie as a potential love rival, it kinda looks like this is leading somewhere, rather than just fan-pandering.
At the very least I would like it if Nick's eventual death scene (if he gets one!) would put the theory to rest, but i'm worried that Telltale won't do it, looking at how vague Walter and Matthew were.
Then again, even if Nick was to outright say "I love you Luke", there would still be those who'd say "I say I love my friends all the time, doesn't make me gay"
This only reason you think that is because you only notice a guy is gay if he's a girly gay man. You don't notice when a normal gay guy is gay because that's the totally normal dude standing next to you on the bus or the cashier at the supermarket.
If the only gay people you have encountered are girly, then you are the denominating factor, not them.
Straight people have no need to announce their sexuality, because society already automatically assumes and expects that they are.
A lot of people automatically assume a person is straight until they are told otherwise (unless the person in question is a very feminine, very showy guy or a very manly girl, in which case they assume they are gay, but could still end up being wrong).
Coming out is a big deal, people could hate you for it, it requires bravery to live openly and freely without hiding an important aspect of yourself. Straight people don't need to hide their sexuality at all, and therefore them "coming out" is a mockery of all that makes coming out important.
Same with "Straight Pride". Straight people don't need freedom marches and the like because their freedom is not being impeded on, it's mockery.
Personally I think it's teetering pretty close to that edge, which is why I also hope something is eventually confirmed, because it's kind of shitty for writers to do that and I don't want Telltale to fall into that using that tactic to appeal to fans, or use only utilize homosexuality as a joke for main characters.
It also worries me because like you said, Walter and Matthew were so incredibly subtle that I'm not sure if Telltale has the GUTS to do it. It would be very disappointing considering how well they do with representation in terms of nonwhite characters, different age groups, body types, disabilities, and women (as of late--season 2 is doing much better in terms of female characters than season 1).
Telltale needs to look at other post-apocalyptic games like Fallout: New Vegas and The Last of Us and observe the great LGBT+ representation THOSE games have, and take a leaf out of their books. Two main companions in New Vegas (which came out in 2010, mind you) were explicitly gay on top of tons of gay and bisexual side characters, and that game was amazing and very well received. The Last of Us had gay minor characters, and then outed their main girl, who's Sarah's age, as lesbian. So what's Telltale's excuse for being so hesitant?
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well, seeing all these people starting to homosexualize something where there was no need for it and them calling every one who is indifferent about gays or just downright annoyed by all this attention seeking a homophobic bastard, I think these straight-pride events slowly become justified. If gays feel the need to force their sexuality down everyone's throat, so should heterosexuals be allowed to do the same thing.
Imagine what it is like for a gay person to see straight relationships day in and day out, every day, where every action film or fantasy film HAS to have a girl and a boy falling in love or having sex just for the hell of it. straight people and straight romance is represented EVERYWHERE.
And you say gay people are forcing their sexuality down peoples throats? that's bullshit and you know it. Gay people NEED to bring attention to themselves, or they will never be equal, they will always be underrepresented and treated like they don't exist.
You have no idea what it's like growing up and feeling like you are not normal because your idea of what romance is, is shown to be completely different by everyone around you, and by every source of media imaginable.
You simply don't understand.
But okay, maybe not all gays are like this, but many vocal ones or the ones you get to know are like this, or generally more "cheery". And I'll probably not see whether a guy is gay or not if I don't have more insight in his personality, but in Nick's case, he is definitely not gay.
You know what, I don't really care at all, gay is popular and hence everyone is gay and shit, even Pete and Luke and Carlos but I find it very funny how easily Americans can get influenced by their medias. I mean, in 2012 even Obama was against gay marriage and now you attack people and get them fired for having an opinion that isn't yours.
And yeah, i'm really worried too that it is just queerbaiting. I find it shitty when writers do that, to attract a sizeable LGBT fanbase and keep them strung along without ever actually having to be inclusive or write an actual gay relationship.
Can you imagine how good representation Luke and Nick together would be? If telltale actually went through with it, they would probably be one of, if not the most famous example of a gay couple in gaming. Not just one-shot characters,they are main characters, with one of them being considered a Deuteragonist too. Luke is manly and strong and brave, and Nick is sweet, sensitive, but just as brave, with a very typically straight guy look. It would be an amazing double or even triple whammy of representation.
There is still time for them to do it, if they wanted. But I guess we shouldn't get our hopes up. We still got more representation than I expected (Walter and Matthew were a big moment for me), and it came at the same time that Tara in the show was bumped up to a main character. So I guess I can't complain. But I still can't stop hoping for more.
That's why I said I'll say this again I said in another thread asking "do you think nick is straight"
the ones you 'get to know' are your actions not theirs. The 'vocal ones' provides a much narrower pool, from which it is silly to stereotype.
The reason lots of people are gay is not because it's 'popular'. That's exceptionally ignorant. Science has proven that homosexuality is not a choice.
On the subject of 'firing people who have an opinion that isn't yours', look at it this way. If some guy in a company said he thinks black people are second class citizens, do you think that's acceptable? If some girl said that black people should not be allowed to marry white people, is that acceptable? Would that not be a darn good reason for getting rid of them?
I've expressed this a few times here and on tumblr and been met with a lot of torn views, but I personally don't think Luke treats Nick very well. I think Luke subconsciously patronizes Nick due to his depression, and speaking as someone who struggles with depression, I've had "Lukes" in my life who have used the same language he does and it's been really hurtful and toxic, even if they don't actually mean for it to be. He calls him a "kid" and says things like "He's not fit to tie his own shoes" and puts more trust in Clementine than he does Nick, and if they've really been friends for 20 years then he should have more respect for him than that. And it's actually really, really sad to see that and then compare it to how Nick practically idolizes him. Honestly I could write a lot about this, way more than what I wrote above, but it's digressing a lot so I won't.
I just personally don't think they'd make a very healthy couple. It'd be interesting to see that played out because it's complex and intriguing, but a gay couple where one guy is constantly putting down the other isn't the best kind of representation, you know what I mean?
Bisexuality is a thing.