Agreed. I mean, he probably needs to die soon to keep things realistic, but I don't want to think of Clementine having to go through yet another death of someone she's close to.
Luke was at first, before they got back to the cabin. Pete was the only one who was okay with her the entire time. And God do I miss him too, he was awesome.
Yeah, Telltale needs to get us to care about the new people, not just Kenny & Clem. For me they seemed to be on the right track since I became attached to a couple people in the cabin group (mainly Nick & Luke) by the second episode so I expected the rest of them to shine in ep3. But instead the plot is rushing along without them and now ep4 seems a bit late to finally make us emotionally attached.
Seriously! It feels like Telltale are focusing on the story and narrative rather than the characters which I usually wouldn't mind, but it's a huge imbalance.
It isn't even just the fact that Kenny gets so much of the spotlight (although that is a large part of it). From a narrative standpoint, his presence alone is enough to weaken the effectiveness of the cabin group as characters you're supposed to care about.
Even if you didn't necessarily like Kenny (which I was somewhat guilty of prior to this episode), he was someone you knew. Someone important. Someone who was a huge part of your Walking Dead experience. You were interested in him and wanted to see what would become of his character. That's a huge leg up on the cabin group characters who essentially started from scratch and had to earn their way into relevance.
So when people are looking over the characters and thinking "Okay, which of these characters do I find interesting enough to want to keep alive," the easiest thing to do is to just go with Kenny because you already have a past with him. "Why do I have to spend all this effort trying to find reasons to care about these new people? I already have this character who I've already invested all this time in."
This was a problem that I thought they resolved in the first episode by getting rid of Christa and Omid so quickly. It forced Clem, as well as the player, to realize that the people in front of her were all that she was going to get and to try and make the best of it. Once Kenny was introduced, that killed a lot of people's motivation to attempt to get attached to the cabin group.
I 100% agree with this. Kenny's presence is bad enough for the cabin group (people like the feeling of familiarity, especially after Lee died), but they gave him so much spotlight and made him a hero in Episode 3 that it's going to be almost impossible for anyone in the cabin group to catch up. I swear if they don't give the cabin group the necessary development they need and tone down Kenny a bit in Episode 4 then I'm going to flip.
It isn't even just the fact that Kenny gets so much of the spotlight (although that is a large part of it). From a narrative standpoint, his… more presence alone is enough to weaken the effectiveness of the cabin group as characters you're supposed to care about.
Even if you didn't necessarily like Kenny (which I was somewhat guilty of prior to this episode), he was someone you knew. Someone important. Someone who was a huge part of your Walking Dead experience. You were interested in him and wanted to see what would become of his character. That's a huge leg up on the cabin group characters who essentially started from scratch and had to earn their way into relevance.
So when people are looking over the characters and thinking "Okay, which of these characters do I find interesting enough to want to keep alive," the easiest thing to do is to just go with Kenny because you already have a past with him. "Why do I have to spend all this effo… [view original content]
I have to agree. I love Kenny, but, he has indeed stolen a lot of the spotlight. Next episode should be focused more on the surviving members of the cabin group.
it was great to see Ken again, but it is sad that none of the Season 2 cast has been able to carry the story, just on their own merits as characters. Kenny introduces nostalgia and some good moments just being Kenny, not the same can really be said about the rest.
Very much agreed, OP. TellTale's shift in priorities to shorter, more streamlined, story focused episodes leaves a lot less room for character development and it makes no sense to put the lion's share of what little there is on a character that is already so well developed. I mean, everyone but Clem and Kenny are pretty much glorified mauve shirts still, with most of the season over already and that's just a shame.
I actually like Kenny's character a lot more this season than I did last, but at the same time, it's kind of hard not to be frustrated when this season is kind of washing over me in a lot of ways and so much of that is the lack of time spent of fleshing out these new characters and our attachment to them. Granted, there's still time for a lot of ground to be made up in the last two episodes, but I honestly don't feel hopeful that it's important enough to TT to devote real time to anymore. And, I do feel like a lot of damage has been done already, like others have said, TT really haven't made this season a fair contest between the characters for the players' affections.
I said it once, I'll say it again.
it was great to see Ken again, but it is sad that none of the Season 2 cast has been able to carry t… morehe story, just on their own merits as characters. Kenny introduces nostalgia and some good moments just being Kenny, not the same can really be said about the rest.
Very much agreed, OP. TellTale's shift in priorities to shorter, more streamlined, story focused episodes leaves a lot less room for charact… moreer development and it makes no sense to put the lion's share of what little there is on a character that is already so well developed. I mean, everyone but Clem and Kenny are pretty much glorified mauve shirts still, with most of the season over already and that's just a shame.
I actually like Kenny's character a lot more this season than I did last, but at the same time, it's kind of hard not to be frustrated when this season is kind of washing over me in a lot of ways and so much of that is the lack of time spent of fleshing out these new characters and our attachment to them. Granted, there's still time for a lot of ground to be made up in the last two episodes, but I honestly don't feel hopeful that it's important enough to TT to devote real time to anymore. And, I do feel like a lot of damage ha… [view original content]
Seriously, it makes no sense for them to have looked at the financial and critical blockbuster that was S1 and been like: alright, great job everyone. Now, let's talk about this new, improved, and bafflingly contrasting approach we're going to implement for S2.
Guess I'm cynical, but I remain unconvinced this shift in their approach was done with anything but a bottom line and business model in mind (pump out more games, put less content into them, extend development times, and keep prices the same), because I see zero creative or artistic benefits. S1 was a well-deserved GOTY, S2 and Wolf Among Us are more like good games that could be great.
True. That's why I think Kenny might die in some point of episode four... I don't want him to die, but chances are he'll be heroic about it.… more
And this is only if they're going to end it this season... if not they might wait til' episode five of this season or next season to kill him ;_;
Seriously, it makes no sense for them to have looked at the financial and critical blockbuster that was S1 and been like: alright, great job… more everyone. Now, let's talk about this new, improved, and bafflingly contrasting approach we're going to implement for S2.
Guess I'm cynical, but I remain unconvinced this shift in their approach was done with anything but a bottom line and business model in mind (pump out more games, put less content into them, extend development times, and keep prices the same), because I see zero creative or artistic benefits. S1 was a well-deserved GOTY, S2 and Wolf Among Us are more like good games that could be great.
i think it's because there's more for kenny and clem to talk about than there is between her and the cabin group. for whatever reason, the cabin group really doesn't wanna talk about anything goin on, or TTG has decided not to tell us. because of this, there's not really a chance to get a proper discussion, and it makes it feel odd that clem's been with the cabin group for almost a week, and nobody's told her anything. she's had to overhear their slip-ups and infer everything. the only thing they've contributed to their situation is that "william carver is a very bad man." when you finally get a decent chance to ask about him, with sarah, you get "i can't remember." everything has been withheld and yet continued to drive the group all the way through episode 3.
luke tries to share a little moment with clem while she eats in episode 1, and she gets some time to talk to kenny about "before". that's really it. kenny is comin up as stealin the spotlight because he's the only guy in the group willing to actually talk.
Oh, I agree, S2 has had some strong punches so far and I definitely walked away from A House Divided in particular feeling pumped for what was next. I hate feeling like I complain so much these days, but it's hard knowing what TT is capable of and then getting product that seems like they're not as passionate about living up to it as I used to think they were.
Oh, I agree, S2 has had some strong punches so far and I definitely walked away from A House Divided in particular feeling pumped for what w… moreas next. I hate feeling like I complain so much these days, but it's hard knowing what TT is capable of and then getting product that seems like they're not as passionate about living up to it as I used to think they were.
yup, cause the whole forum split on whether they liked or hated, wanted him back or not never happened, and everybody had the same single opinion. "we wants our kenny."
Some of us love what TellTale is doing with Kenny. TellTale can do more with the cabin group characters without taking away from Kenny, they just simply haven't done so.
I don't want them to take away Kenny. I just want them to focus on the cabin group in Episode 4 since the Kenny had the spotlight in Episode 3. That's all.
Like Luke said himself; "Life isn't fair".
Some of us love what TellTale is doing with Kenny. TellTale can do more with the cabin group characters without taking away from Kenny, they just simply haven't done so.
They would deserve it for taking this long to get aboard the Kenny bandwagon ;)
Seriously though, I really hope Kenny makes it to the end. I have a bad feeling about next episode though..
It must mean that Kenny will :
-Survive this season, and become someone really important in Season 3 (Antagonist or a "Lee").
-He's gonna die at the end, so they want us to feel like we did before
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Even if you didn't necessarily like Kenny (which I was somewhat guilty of prior to this episode), he was someone you knew. Someone important. Someone who was a huge part of your Walking Dead experience. You were interested in him and wanted to see what would become of his character. That's a huge leg up on the cabin group characters who essentially started from scratch and had to earn their way into relevance.
So when people are looking over the characters and thinking "Okay, which of these characters do I find interesting enough to want to keep alive," the easiest thing to do is to just go with Kenny because you already have a past with him. "Why do I have to spend all this effort trying to find reasons to care about these new people? I already have this character who I've already invested all this time in."
This was a problem that I thought they resolved in the first episode by getting rid of Christa and Omid so quickly. It forced Clem, as well as the player, to realize that the people in front of her were all that she was going to get and to try and make the best of it. Once Kenny was introduced, that killed a lot of people's motivation to attempt to get attached to the cabin group.
it was great to see Ken again, but it is sad that none of the Season 2 cast has been able to carry the story, just on their own merits as characters. Kenny introduces nostalgia and some good moments just being Kenny, not the same can really be said about the rest.
I actually like Kenny's character a lot more this season than I did last, but at the same time, it's kind of hard not to be frustrated when this season is kind of washing over me in a lot of ways and so much of that is the lack of time spent of fleshing out these new characters and our attachment to them. Granted, there's still time for a lot of ground to be made up in the last two episodes, but I honestly don't feel hopeful that it's important enough to TT to devote real time to anymore. And, I do feel like a lot of damage has been done already, like others have said, TT really haven't made this season a fair contest between the characters for the players' affections.
Guess I'm cynical, but I remain unconvinced this shift in their approach was done with anything but a bottom line and business model in mind (pump out more games, put less content into them, extend development times, and keep prices the same), because I see zero creative or artistic benefits. S1 was a well-deserved GOTY, S2 and Wolf Among Us are more like good games that could be great.
luke tries to share a little moment with clem while she eats in episode 1, and she gets some time to talk to kenny about "before". that's really it. kenny is comin up as stealin the spotlight because he's the only guy in the group willing to actually talk.
Some of us love what TellTale is doing with Kenny. TellTale can do more with the cabin group characters without taking away from Kenny, they just simply haven't done so.
And ya know what I'm afraid of? They'll kill Kenny just when everybody started to like him. That would be just like Telltale :(
Seriously though, I really hope Kenny makes it to the end. I have a bad feeling about next episode though..
-Survive this season, and become someone really important in Season 3 (Antagonist or a "Lee").
-He's gonna die at the end, so they want us to feel like we did before