Luke is very 'humane' ...

edited May 2014 in The Walking Dead
In episode 3 Luke suggests leaving Kenny behind, he took a beating in protecting them from Carver. If he hadn't stepped in and took account for the radio I'm sure Carver would of beaten the shit outta Luke or someone from the cabin group and then Luke has the nerve to suggest leaving Kenny behind. What a real dick.

Also I have been informed that if Nick died in episode 2 he doesn't utter a single word about him. Even Reggie asks "Where's Nick?". Nick cares about Luke but Luke obviously doesn't give a shit about him in the slightest. And to add to that he doesn't even ask about Alvin. He honestly couldn't give a shit could he?
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  • I think it's more due to bad writing than Luke not caring. Because if you go with Nick after episode 1, Luke is pretty concerned for Nick.
  • The reason I don't like Luke is he skedaddles off every time something dangerous happens. He dropped Clem when he noticed there was blood on her sleeve and started verbally attacking her, trying to, FORCING Nick and Clem to stay quiet and lie about Matthew's death, taking off when Carver showed up, suggesting they leave Kenny and Sarita behind.

    I'll like Luke more once he grows a pair.
  • Good point.
    Dragonleaf posted: »

    The reason I don't like Luke is he skedaddles off every time something dangerous happens. He dropped Clem when he noticed there was blood on

  • Well, considering what you said... Regi, I'd say that Luke is a hypocrite. He refuses to kill Carver when told to, but is voting to leave Kenny behind. "Why don't we leave a man who took a beating instead of (for example) me behind?". "Hey, Luke, kill this fucker who's been following us and is responsible for numerous atrocious actions. - What? Hell no! I can leave a wounded man behind, but not kill the guy who totally deserves this!".

    Ugh.
  • Exactly what I was thinking Ling. He has a damn hard time to finish that man after all the merciless killings and general suffering he caused to people but is perfectly fine leaving a man looking out for Clem and took a beating for everyone.
    Scumbag Luke is a scumbag.
    Lingvort posted: »

    Well, considering what you said... Regi, I'd say that Luke is a hypocrite. He refuses to kill Carver when told to, but is voting to leave Ke

  • 1. No he suggested waiting a couple more days to make sure everyone is in a fit condition to escape. It was Rebecca and Mike that insisted they leave immediately. What would they've done if Kenny hadn't woken up? Carry him on their backs while trying to escape from a huge herd of walkers?

    2. That could simply be bad writing. Another possible explanation I can think of is that Luke saw Nick's body near the lodge and simply didn't want to talk about it. Maybe he will mention Nick in E4.
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    You're being hypocritical since Kenny wanted to leave a lot of people behind in S1 and would have no problem leaving Luke behind if Kenny were in Luke's shoes. Luke didn't even want to leave Kenny behind, but the group wanted to escape tonight and they didn't know when Kenny was going to get up. What were they going to do? Carry Kenny through the herd with Carver's guards shooting at them? Not only are you putting Kenny in danger, you're also putting the person carrying Kenny in danger too.

    The Nick thing is just bad writing since if Nick is alive and Reggi brings up Pete, Nick doesn't even flinch and we're talking about a father figure to Nick, but Nick doesn't seem to care.
  • That's fine, they can leave but they'll be leaving me with them. They could of carried him or somethin' I dunno, anything instead of leaving him. It's just people talk of Luke as this moral saint but he's perfectly fine leaving someone behind who took a beating.
    Ok so he didn't wanna talk about Nick but why didn't he ask about Alvin? Even if he died in episode 2 his body was in the lodge and I'm sure he would of asked. Regardless he would ask for sure if he wasn't with the group in episode 3 but guess what ... He didn't.
    Mr_Eeuss posted: »

    1. No he suggested waiting a couple more days to make sure everyone is in a fit condition to escape. It was Rebecca and Mike that insisted t

  • Maybe Luke is still in shock about his friends death and doesn't want to talk about it. Some guys don't talk about their feelings.
  • The thing is, despite it being bad writing it's still canon to the story. Also I would be fine leaving Luke behind and I'm sure Kenny would like you said. I'm not saying Kenny wouldn't oppose to the idea, I'm just saying that Luke isn't the saint that everyone makes him out to be.

    You're being hypocritical since Kenny wanted to leave a lot of people behind in S1 and would have no problem leaving Luke behind if Kenny we

  • What is "humane" . . .you know humane means showing compassion? I don't think this is the right adjective lol
  • I noticed that too. i just figured English wasn't his first language.

    What is "humane" . . .you know humane means showing compassion? I don't think this is the right adjective lol

  • Yes. I should of used quotation marks or something to get the sarcasm across :P

    What is "humane" . . .you know humane means showing compassion? I don't think this is the right adjective lol

  • Ever heard of sarcasm or irony?

    What is "humane" . . .you know humane means showing compassion? I don't think this is the right adjective lol

  • Knowing Regi, that's a big understatement.
    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    I noticed that too. i just figured English wasn't his first language.

  • edited May 2014
    Luke and everyone else would not have much of a choice but to leave Kenny as it too much of a risk carrying him through a horde and Carver's guards, We just got Lucky Kenny was able to stand on his 2 own feet

    We do not know why Luke never shot Carver
  • This thread is funny now.
    Lingvort posted: »

    Ever heard of sarcasm or irony?

  • edited May 2014
    But carrying him would put everyone in a huge risk, especially Kenny since he was completely defenceless. They were barely able to protect themselves, do you really think they'd be able to simply carry and protect a grown man? If it's anyone to blame that's Rebecca, Mike or Bonnie, not Luke.

    How do you know he didn't see Alvin's body too? How do you know he didn't get in the lodge to grab some supplies before leaving?
    Regi_ posted: »

    That's fine, they can leave but they'll be leaving me with them. They could of carried him or somethin' I dunno, anything instead of leaving

  • Who has been saying that Luke's a saint? Personally, I'm glad they didn't make Luke a saint. That would make him boring and bland. Suggesting to leave Kenny behind, but refusing to kill Carver showed that he had complicated morals which added depth to his character.

    Bad writing with determinant characters, even though canon. Should be taken with a grain of salt.
    Regi_ posted: »

    The thing is, despite it being bad writing it's still canon to the story. Also I would be fine leaving Luke behind and I'm sure Kenny would

  • He wanted to stick around Carver's camp and wait for Kenny and Sarita to heal, everyone else was so adamant about leaving. I mean, Kenny was unconscious at the time. Taking off when Carver showed up was a smarter move than Kenny's, which got Walter killed, and potentially Alvin killed. And are you telling me if you were carrying a random kid who claims she got bit by a dog in a Zombie Apocalypse that you wouldn't be scared? At least he was kind enough to think about what to do. Larry wanted to throw out Duck when he assumed he got bit! As for Matthew's death, he doesn't reprimand Clem or get pissed at her for telling Nick, which may have ended in Nick's death. He lets her do her own thing after giving his opinion. Yeah, he's very opinionated, but that's how he is.

    A lot of things he does is crazy at the time, but when you sit down and look at it, it's beyond cowardly.
    Dragonleaf posted: »

    The reason I don't like Luke is he skedaddles off every time something dangerous happens. He dropped Clem when he noticed there was blood on

  • Because he said he hadn't slept or eaten in the whole time he was tracking the group so it's very unlikely he stopped off for supplies in the lodge. Also it was Luke's input that brought up that fact on leaving Kenny behind.
    Mr_Eeuss posted: »

    But carrying him would put everyone in a huge risk, especially Kenny since he was completely defenceless. They were barely able to protect t

  • Carver: "Luke, I am your father..." :O
    Order 66 posted: »

    Luke and everyone else would not have much of a choice but to leave Kenny as it too much of a risk carrying him through a horde and Carver's

  • edited May 2014
    About leaving Kenny behind thing... At first Luke wanted to wait, but since everyone wanted to leave right now, they wouldn't have much choice but to leave Kenny if he didn't wake up. Would they carry an unconcious man through a horde of walkers?
    And about Nick, I believe that Luke really cares about him. He was worried about him in episode 2 and seemed very upset when he though that Nick was dead. Either someone told him about Nick's death when he got cought (before Clem arrived) or it's just a plothole.
  • edited May 2014
    "He wanted to stick around Carver's camp and wait for Kenny and Sarita to heal, everyone else was so adamant about leaving."
    True, but Luke was still the one to suggest leaving people behind, in which Mike and Rebecca objected. (They were also the ones most vocal about leaving)

    "And are you telling me if you were carrying a random kid who claims she got bit by a dog in a Zombie Apocalypse that you wouldn't be scared?"
    Pete wasn't scared.

    "As for Matthew's death, he doesn't reprimand Clem or get pissed at her for telling Nick, which may have ended in Nick's death. He lets her do her own thing after giving his opinion."
    Wrong, he still forces Clem to toss out Matthews knife, and he was very, very vocal on wanting to lie to Walt and leave in the morning without telling the truth.

    He wanted to stick around Carver's camp and wait for Kenny and Sarita to heal, everyone else was so adamant about leaving. I mean, Kenny was

  • edited May 2014
    Also to add, if Luke would of stuck around and helped Kenny take out Carver and his goons I'm sure that they could of taken the lodge back and saved everyone. They would of had more angles on Carver and a better chance of getting outta that situation. It wasn't Kenny's fault that Walter and Alvin died. It was the cabin groups fault for giving up so easily, their fault for leading Carver's group to the lodge in the first place and Luke's fault for taking off when the tough got going.
    Dragonleaf posted: »

    "He wanted to stick around Carver's camp and wait for Kenny and Sarita to heal, everyone else was so adamant about leaving." True, but Luk

  • How about water? I'm sure he wouldn't have been able to walk for almost 2 days without water.

    And he brought it up because it was the only logical thing to do. Don't act like you wouldn't be ok with leaving someone behind if it was a character you didn't like.
    Regi_ posted: »

    Because he said he hadn't slept or eaten in the whole time he was tracking the group so it's very unlikely he stopped off for supplies in the lodge. Also it was Luke's input that brought up that fact on leaving Kenny behind.

  • Luke is perhaps the most one note of the supporting cast for me. He doesn't strike me as that interesting based on his boy-next-door appeal. Hopefully the last two episodes reveal more of his background prior to the outbreak. As it stands, I find him a little too good to be true. Or better yet, interesting.
  • Would you want to carry a wounded man on your back in a herd of walkers? Hell, if it was that easy, why did Sarita, Carlos and Sarah have issues? He ain't as light as Clem! He didn't want to leave, he said clearly he was playing devils advocate. Luke was saying IF you guys want to leave with unconscious Kenny, we'd be risking EVERYONE at once, and that's not Luke's style.

    Bad writing is why we never heard about Nick or Alvin. Nick, because he's alive in a couple of games and the writer was lazy about that, same with Alvin's 202 death. If Alvin made it out of 202, he is the ONLY one to try and console Rebecca when Clem arrives in the storeroom without Alvin.
    Regi_ posted: »

    That's fine, they can leave but they'll be leaving me with them. They could of carried him or somethin' I dunno, anything instead of leaving

  • He's not one to talk about his feelings, we got a hint of that when he says 'I lost my folks too'. He didn't elaborate like Nick did about his mom.
    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Maybe Luke is still in shock about his friends death and doesn't want to talk about it. Some guys don't talk about their feelings.

  • Don't forget, at that time, no one was sure how badly hurt Kenny was. Many thought he was dead. I was so happy to find Kenny in EP2, sat with him at the table, said I was going to stay with him. Kenny has 100% of my trust.

    But, I even thought Kenny was far to injured to leave and I was ready to go on without him untill he stood up and showed he was okay.
    I would have hated to leave Kenny behind but at that time, that seemed to me the only option.

    Luke was playing devil's advocte, saying what was needed to be said. It was a valid point at the moment!
    Lingvort posted: »

    Well, considering what you said... Regi, I'd say that Luke is a hypocrite. He refuses to kill Carver when told to, but is voting to leave Ke

  • My theory is that he doesn't want to be like Carver. Bonnie said: 'Luke had ideas of how to run things. Him and Carver butted heads' or something like that. I think this means that they're opposites. Luke didn't kill Carver because it's what Carver would have done. He's the opposite kinda leader, I think.
    Order 66 posted: »

    Luke and everyone else would not have much of a choice but to leave Kenny as it too much of a risk carrying him through a horde and Carver's

  • He was, but at the same time he was the only one proposing that, even Mike and Rebecca, who voted to leave ASAP, were against that.
    WowMutt posted: »

    Don't forget, at that time, no one was sure how badly hurt Kenny was. Many thought he was dead. I was so happy to find Kenny in EP2, sat wit

  • The fact that Luke travels without food and sleep to find the group, say's he'd prefer to wait a few days before escaping and says he doesn't want to play devil's advocate before suggesting that they leave a few people behind shows that he's more humane than you think.
    About the Nick and Alvin point, I just think it's poor writing. There is always the chance that he saw their bodies at the Cabin or asked off screen about them but it is pretty lazy nonetheless ,
  • Luke:NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO
    Well that could explain why Luke never shot Carver?
    EmperorZorn posted: »

    Carver: "Luke, I am your father..." :O

  • edited May 2014
    I never understood why people use the whole 'leave Kenny behind' thing against Luke. He was the one suggesting that everyone should rest and that they should wait longer.

    'That does not mean that she can't do it any other time/night' - Luke about Bonnie, helping them escape.

    That clearly shows that Luke would have waited far longer than others. He would have taken the risk that Carver would hurt him/anyone again over the option to leave someone behind. I don't see anything unhuman about that.
  • I would be completely fine with it. It's just people try to make Kenny out as a 'bad guy' for making hard choices and Luke is no different. I'm sure you guys would be the same if Luke and Kenny swapped places. We don't want to leave our loved ones behind.
    Mr_Eeuss posted: »

    How about water? I'm sure he wouldn't have been able to walk for almost 2 days without water. And he brought it up because it was the o

  • A fitting quote from Kenny (not exact word-to-word, though). "I know that whatever happens, I'm the fucking bad guy. I'd like a "thank you" for once. For once!".
    Regi_ posted: »

    I would be completely fine with it. It's just people try to make Kenny out as a 'bad guy' for making hard choices and Luke is no different.

  • 1. Luke was being practical as everyone else's emotions were running high about leaving. He was forcing them to look at the truth if Kenny couldn't regain consciousness. He wanted as many people to survive the escape, if they were going to do one, alive. His first choice was to let everyone heal and wait for an opening.

    2. I'll give you that, Pete was brave about it. Luke had his guard up, once again, he was worried about Pete's and his safety as in his mind, this girl was a goner and going to turn. He was being practical.

    3. Yeah, like I said, he doesn't get pissed with her later about that, unlike other characters in this game. He was vocal, and asked her to do something to cover up Matthews death, but he doesn't get pissed later on about her telling Walter.
    Dragonleaf posted: »

    "He wanted to stick around Carver's camp and wait for Kenny and Sarita to heal, everyone else was so adamant about leaving." True, but Luk

  • Luke is a thinker and we see this all the time. He does things that are practical and he likes biding his time to ensure the safest route out. Do keep in mind Kenny had the shotgun and Luke only had his machete. It would have made no difference.

    He was hardcore about this. I know not one of us would like to chase a truck for a few days with no sleep and no food. If that ain't tough, I don't know what is. The easy option would be to get caught and work from the inside to get out.
    Regi_ posted: »

    Also to add, if Luke would of stuck around and helped Kenny take out Carver and his goons I'm sure that they could of taken the lodge back a

  • No one is trying to make Kenny look like a bad guy. He and Luke have different morals and ways of thinking, but neither is a bad person.

    "I'm sure you guys would be the same if Luke and Kenny swapped places."

    Not really. Mind you I immediately picked the "we're not leaving Kenny behind" option in the game. But that doesn't mean I don't understand why Luke proposed they did that.
    Regi_ posted: »

    I would be completely fine with it. It's just people try to make Kenny out as a 'bad guy' for making hard choices and Luke is no different.

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