He was trying to be real and practical in terms of everyone making it out alive. He wanted them to have the best chance if they were going to run with it ASAP
Neither guys are bad or good, they just have different approaches to things, I just don't like it when one dude's approach is hailed on as being the *best*. That's what this game teaches us, choices matter, but not significantly.
I would be completely fine with it. It's just people try to make Kenny out as a 'bad guy' for making hard choices and Luke is no different. … moreI'm sure you guys would be the same if Luke and Kenny swapped places. We don't want to leave our loved ones behind.
Luke got beat up too, I mean, his face! We just missed it, and people are forgetting he HIMSELF is a mess. He was risking getting beat up again the next day as the walkies thing was his plan, just to bring everyone with him.
I never understood why people use the whole 'leave Kenny behind' thing against Luke. He was the one suggesting that everyone should rest and… more that they should wait longer.
'That does not mean that she can't do it any other time/night' - Luke about Bonnie, helping them escape.
That clearly shows that Luke would have waited far longer than others. He would have taken the risk that Carver would hurt him/anyone again over the option to leave someone behind. I don't see anything unhuman about that.
Luke got beat up too, I mean, his face! We just missed it, and people are forgetting he HIMSELF is a mess. He was risking getting beat up again the next day as the walkies thing was his plan, just to bring everyone with him.
He was trying to be real and practical in terms of everyone making it out alive. He wanted them to have the best chance if they were going to run with it ASAP
I wouldn't want to carry anyone, walking in a horde of walkers, let alone myself!
The thing a lot of people are forgetting is that he was being real, and to prove his point staying behind was better, he was playing 'devils advocate' to convince everyone to stay. I quote from thefreedictionary.com: 'One who argues against a cause or position, not as a committed opponent but simply for the sake of argument or to determine the validity of the cause or position.'
He wasn't saying, okay, fuck it, lets go, fuck Kenny, he can't move. He was saying look, we can't go straight away, we need to bide our time and wait, but if you guys want to go, then understand we can't carry an unconscious man out of here into a herd of walkers and make it out alive.
Yeah, maybe. I can't say if Kenny would carry him, if he was beaten by Carver.
I wonder if it was reversed, would you agree with Kenny's "practicality" in that matter?
I wouldn't want to carry anyone, walking in a horde of walkers, let alone myself!
The thing a lot of people are forgetting is that he w… moreas being real, and to prove his point staying behind was better, he was playing 'devils advocate' to convince everyone to stay. I quote from thefreedictionary.com: 'One who argues against a cause or position, not as a committed opponent but simply for the sake of argument or to determine the validity of the cause or position.'
He wasn't saying, okay, fuck it, lets go, fuck Kenny, he can't move. He was saying look, we can't go straight away, we need to bide our time and wait, but if you guys want to go, then understand we can't carry an unconscious man out of here into a herd of walkers and make it out alive.
Luke didn't go through shit. Ok so he didn't get any sleep or food I can tip my hat to that but saying he got beat up isn't the word. He got a little roughed up and smacked about a lil'. Luke didn't get his face pummeled in by a walkie talkie and loose an eye.
Luke got beat up too, I mean, his face! We just missed it, and people are forgetting he HIMSELF is a mess. He was risking getting beat up again the next day as the walkies thing was his plan, just to bring everyone with him.
Luke is apparently against killing, but has no issue with leaving people behind ,which would most certainly mean their death.
He's pissed that Kenny wants to kill Carver, but what does he think would have happened to Kenny if they'd left him behind? A get well party and hugs? Kenny's blood would be on his hands.
>Luke is apparently against killing, but has no issue with leaving people behind <
Why did he followed Carver and his group, not eating and sleeping for days?
Why did he searched for Clementine and Nick/Pete?
Why did he saved Clementine in the first place?
>Kenny's blood would be on his hands.<
No. It would not.
He does not wanted to leave Kenny behind in the first place.
Luke is apparently against killing, but has no issue with leaving people behind ,which would most certainly mean their death.
He's p… moreissed that Kenny wants to kill Carver, but what does he think would have happened to Kenny if they'd left him behind? A get well party and hugs? Kenny's blood would be on his hands.
"He wanted as many people to survive the escape, if they were going to do one, alive. His first choice was to let everyone heal and wait for an opening."
Luke said it himself, the herd of walkers were going to hit the place anyways and it was going to hit it soon. The idea of leaving that night was the best, and Kenny DID regain consciousness, his idea of leaving behind an injured Kenny and a broken down Sarita was messed up. I also found it weird where he suggested they leave Kenny and Sarita behind but afterwards he didn't want to even lay a finger on Carver, Luke has very weird morals. (He most likely knew if he did leave them behind Carver would torture both of them for information, and afterwards kill the both of them.)
"Luke had his guard up, once again, he was worried about Pete's and his safety as in his mind, this girl was a goner and going to turn. He was being practical."
I don't really consider "Yeah, what, and have you sink your teeth into Pete's NECK?! No way!" "Really? Just some random asshole dog in the forest?!" and "Well you better be fine. Cause I ain't carrying you anymore with that bite on your arm." as "practical" anymore, it's just cruel.
"Yeah, like I said, he doesn't get pissed with her later about that, unlike other characters in this game. He was vocal, and asked her to do something to cover up Matthews death, but he doesn't get pissed later on about her telling Walter."
That's because he didn't know she actually told him.
1. Luke was being practical as everyone else's emotions were running high about leaving. He was forcing them to look at the truth if Kenny c… moreouldn't regain consciousness. He wanted as many people to survive the escape, if they were going to do one, alive. His first choice was to let everyone heal and wait for an opening.
2. I'll give you that, Pete was brave about it. Luke had his guard up, once again, he was worried about Pete's and his safety as in his mind, this girl was a goner and going to turn. He was being practical.
3. Yeah, like I said, he doesn't get pissed with her later about that, unlike other characters in this game. He was vocal, and asked her to do something to cover up Matthews death, but he doesn't get pissed later on about her telling Walter.
Luke didn't want to leave Kenny behind, he wanted to stay and let everybody rest up before waiting for another opening to go. Only on being pushed about going that night does he bring it up, and if you have Clem say no to leaving Kenny, Luke will say nobody wants to abandon him.
It just comes down to if you have a whole group locked up in a prison like situation and you have one that's unconscious, do you risk leaving that one guy behind to save more people? Because that's what they might've needed to have done if Kenny hadn't woken up because there would've been no easy way of helping him out, especially with the 'smear walker guts on us trick' and that massive herd coming. So Luke doesn't suggest it out of spite, but out of a tough decision, like all the tough decisions the game gives you like do you save Doug or Carley. And it's also brought up if you let the dialogue keep playing that Luke admits he screwed up and it's his fault because he got hungry and was caught stealing food, which inevitably led to what happened to Kenny covering for Clem.
One thing I can agree on is I think its poor Telltale didn’t put in any mention of Luke bringing up Nick in Episode 3. Even if it had been something a quick “I found Nick, as one of those things,” when and if he’d gone back to the ski lodge and discovered his friend as a ‘lurker’ that would’ve added some emotional weight on his buddy when he and Clem meet up again. But who knows, it was all about the prison break this episode so maybe Nick will get a mention in Episode 4. So for the most part, I think it was just the writing since Luke did show he cared about Nick in Episode 2 in the cellar, where they fooled you into thinking Nick's a walker and Luke gets relieved he isn't dead. It's why also Luke didn't want Walter knowing about Matthew's death, which if you pick silence over Luke will say 'it's a fuck up thing to do, but it's the only choice we got.' he wanted to protect his friend, and was worried what'd happen to Nick if the truth came out. So he does care, it just wasn't shown well enough in the recent episode.
But the thing on Alvin is difficult because it’s not clear what history these guys have. But if Alvin lives through into Episode 3 only to die helping Clem escape, Luke will expression sympathy to Rebecca when they find out Alvin is dead. Other than that, it might've been Luke just didn't know Alvin as well as he knew Pete or Nick.
At least Kenny was well rested, well fed before losing an eye. They use sleep deprivation as a torture tool, and I've fasted for over 18 hours, he's done more. It aint easy. And then to get beat from that state?
Yeah, Kenny has it waaaaaay worse with the beating, no doubt, but Luke had it really rough from the end of 202 right up to when he got beat. When we met him again, I was so convinced he was but because he looked so 'off'.
Luke didn't go through shit. Ok so he didn't get any sleep or food I can tip my hat to that but saying he got beat up isn't the word. He got… more a little roughed up and smacked about a lil'. Luke didn't get his face pummeled in by a walkie talkie and loose an eye.
I know the definion of "the devil's advocate", thank you very much. Mind you, I've been one when Episode 2 came out.
I'm not sure how repeating oneself helps to improve the point, but I can see it, and I'm not disagreeing with it.
I've got it. I'm still thinking that Luke's a bit hypocritical at those decisions I've mentioned, but I agree that leaving Kenny at immediate escaping might've really been practical, though I wouldn't have done it, unless I'm playing some asshole-like playthrough.
No problem about that, there were moments when I didn't know what to respond, but it feels good to finally go through with it.
Sorry for sticking it in like that, I just wanted to, as you say, repeat the fact that he did *not* want to leave Kenny and go straight away… more.
I will not force you to look at things the way I see it, if you get it and don't agree, that's fine, hell, it's what these forums are for!
Thanks for actually sticking around to go through with it, I enjoyed this :)
Then why bring it up at all if he wasn't considering it?
Leaving Kenny behind would be the same thing as killing him.
Scratch that, not only killing him, Carver would probably have tortured him a long time before offing him. He had a gripe with Kenny.
I'm just saying,him suggesting that didn't fit at all with this super good guy image he has.
>Luke is apparently against killing, but has no issue with leaving people behind <
Why did he followed Carver and his group, not … moreeating and sleeping for days?
Why did he searched for Clementine and Nick/Pete?
Why did he saved Clementine in the first place?
>Kenny's blood would be on his hands.<
No. It would not.
He does not wanted to leave Kenny behind in the first place.
When Luke suggested leaving Kenny, they had NO idea that he was going to get up. At that point, Carlos was talking as if he was doing really badly. Luke was just saying what needed to be said. If they were insistent on leaving that night, then there was no way they could take Kenny if he was down for the count. They wouldn't make it an hour carrying him with them, I mean look what happened when all of them were up and moving! People STILL died. Being practical and saying what needed to be said doesn't make him a terrible person. In fact, the point was that Luke DIDN'T want to leave that night because he knew they'd have to leave someone behind. That's why he wanted to wait it out until they were all mobile and then try again. The people who say that he wanted to leave Kenny need to stop. If this was the other way around, do you think Kenny would have even thought about trying to stay and let Luke heal? We know from experience that he would have easily left him behind.
The Nick thing was most definitely an oversight. Nick got completely tossed aside in this episode and so was Luke, to an extent. Everything was rushing by and we never at all got to ask Luke about what he was feeling. Plus, whenever we were with him he was loopy from exhaustion and worried about getting everybody out. I could see him as the type to just push the idea of Nick being dead away and focusing on the task at hand instead. I expect we'll get more out of Luke about that in the next episode, if they deem to actually have the Cabin Group be more important than Kenny, anyways. I chalk this one up to the problems of Nick being a determinant character.
As others have said, we KNOW that Luke cares about Nick. We saw his emotional reaction to finding out that Nick was alright in episode 2. Unless he magically stopped caring about Nick after that and after desperately trying to keep him out of danger by not telling Walter what happened, I would expect this was just a bad writing mistake.
Luke thought that Kenny wasn't going to wake up since Carlos' diagnosis indicated that Kenny may have sustained brain damage (fortunately he didn't). Luke didn't know Kenny was going to wake up. If Kenny didn't wake up and the group brought him with them, his death would be almost guaranteed and the death of the person who is carrying him since not only do you have to cover yourself in lurker guts to blend in with the herd, but you have to act like them too. Last time I checked, lurkers don't carry each other. Not only that, but bringing Kenny would put the group in danger.
Luke is apparently against killing, but has no issue with leaving people behind ,which would most certainly mean their death.
He's p… moreissed that Kenny wants to kill Carver, but what does he think would have happened to Kenny if they'd left him behind? A get well party and hugs? Kenny's blood would be on his hands.
>Then why bring it up at all if he wasn't considering it?<
He is not the leader, that is why he needed to consider all the other options and opinions.
Some wanted to leave right away and if the group would have decided for this option, well, they would have needed to leave Kenny behind.
He was just telling the group what the consequences would be.
Luke himself wanted to stay and to let everyone heal up first.
Then why bring it up at all if he wasn't considering it?
Leaving Kenny behind would be the same thing as killing him.
Scratch that, not … moreonly killing him, Carver would probably have tortured him a long time before offing him. He had a gripe with Kenny.
I'm just saying,him suggesting that didn't fit at all with this super good guy image he has.
He brought it up because if Kenny wasn't getting up and the others were still insistent on leaving right that moment, there would be NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO LEAVE KENNY BEHIND. All he did was be the first one to state aloud the elephant in the room that nobody else wanted to bring up. Just because he told the truth about the matter didn't mean he wanted to leave Kenny there to die. In fact, he was the one that was AGAINST doing that! I swear, it's like nobody paid attention during that scene.
Then why bring it up at all if he wasn't considering it?
Leaving Kenny behind would be the same thing as killing him.
Scratch that, not … moreonly killing him, Carver would probably have tortured him a long time before offing him. He had a gripe with Kenny.
I'm just saying,him suggesting that didn't fit at all with this super good guy image he has.
1. He said he was playing 'devil's advocate' which means he doesn't agree with leaving Kenny behind, he only brought it up to prove a point, that waiting was better.
'Luke said it himself, the herd of walkers were going to hit the place anyways and it was going to hit it soon' Straight after he says, 'Now I don't know when, but it's coming.' They had time to wait. The only reason the walkers are so close at the end is because the PA system was on. And anyway, if they stayed, Luke was risking his life. The walkie talkie idea was his, he was going to end up like Alvin, no doubt. He knows Carver, and I have no doubt he knows this. He essentially put Kenny's and the entire group's chances of survival above his own wellbeing.
Killing Carver is like killing the St Johns. Personally, I left them both alive, maimed and about to get attacked by walkers. Luke was going to tie him up and most likely leave him for the walkers. Like one of the brothers said, Luke doesn't want to 'give a part of yourself (by murder) so others can live'.
2. A dog bite, to me, sounds like a convenient excuse for a lurker bite. Come on, other than Sam, have we seen other dogs? We're biased cause we know Clementine. If Michelle or something showed up saying they got bit by a dog, and all you had to go on was her word, would you buy it? In a ZA where everyone is desperate to survive? Don't forget, before we pass out, we do see Luke come running to us, to carry us the rest of the way!
3. I'll give you that, it remains to be seen. Luke does realise it's a 'fucked up thing to do', but this to survive. After seeing the horrors of Carver's camp, how was he to know that Walter would be forgiving?
"He wanted as many people to survive the escape, if they were going to do one, alive. His first choice was to let everyone heal and wait for… more an opening."
Luke said it himself, the herd of walkers were going to hit the place anyways and it was going to hit it soon. The idea of leaving that night was the best, and Kenny DID regain consciousness, his idea of leaving behind an injured Kenny and a broken down Sarita was messed up. I also found it weird where he suggested they leave Kenny and Sarita behind but afterwards he didn't want to even lay a finger on Carver, Luke has very weird morals. (He most likely knew if he did leave them behind Carver would torture both of them for information, and afterwards kill the both of them.)
"Luke had his guard up, once again, he was worried about Pete's and his safety as in his mind, this girl was a goner and going to turn. He was being practical."
I don't really consider "Yeah, what, and have… [view original content]
I think we all need to wait for this season to end before we can judge him and weigh up every act to see if it matches up with other things he did. Let's hope he gets some development later on!!
It's good to know there's people on here who are prepared to talk things out :D
I've got it. I'm still thinking that Luke's a bit hypocritical at those decisions I've mentioned, but I agree that leaving Kenny at immediat… moree escaping might've really been practical, though I wouldn't have done it, unless I'm playing some asshole-like playthrough.
No problem about that, there were moments when I didn't know what to respond, but it feels good to finally go through with it.
I think we all need to wait for this season to end before we can judge him and weigh up every act to see if it matches up with other things … morehe did. Let's hope he gets some development later on!!
It's good to know there's people on here who are prepared to talk things out :D
Yeah, I was about to comment with the same thing. I swear, his facial expressions and dialogue did make it seem like he was being evil, but he was being so real when you stop to consider it!
He brought it up because if Kenny wasn't getting up and the others were still insistent on leaving right that moment, there would be NO OTHE… moreR CHOICE BUT TO LEAVE KENNY BEHIND. All he did was be the first one to state aloud the elephant in the room that nobody else wanted to bring up. Just because he told the truth about the matter didn't mean he wanted to leave Kenny there to die. In fact, he was the one that was AGAINST doing that! I swear, it's like nobody paid attention during that scene.
And Nick being an oversight isn't an excuse, if you look at the ending of episode two, you could see they had a plan for episode three:
1. Go to Carver's camp
2.Hate Carver's camp
3. Bond with people in Carver's camp
4. Get rescued/ escape from Carver's camp.
In 90 minutes, they had to achieve SO much. There's no time for character development with Luke and Nick and fiddly dialogue with the determinants.
When Luke suggested leaving Kenny, they had NO idea that he was going to get up. At that point, Carlos was talking as if he was doing really… more badly. Luke was just saying what needed to be said. If they were insistent on leaving that night, then there was no way they could take Kenny if he was down for the count. They wouldn't make it an hour carrying him with them, I mean look what happened when all of them were up and moving! People STILL died. Being practical and saying what needed to be said doesn't make him a terrible person. In fact, the point was that Luke DIDN'T want to leave that night because he knew they'd have to leave someone behind. That's why he wanted to wait it out until they were all mobile and then try again. The people who say that he wanted to leave Kenny need to stop. If this was the other way around, do you think Kenny would have even thought about trying to stay and let Luke heal? We know from experience that he would ha… [view original content]
I really don't think/hope this is about bad writing. I noticed a detail in Bonnie and Clem's dialogue, when Clem tells her the group never told her about the existence of Bonnie, B asks "not even Luke?" - This might go deeper than what we think.
He wanted to stick around Carver's camp and wait for Kenny and Sarita to heal, everyone else was so adamant about leaving. I mean, Kenny was… more unconscious at the time. Taking off when Carver showed up was a smarter move than Kenny's, which got Walter killed, and potentially Alvin killed. And are you telling me if you were carrying a random kid who claims she got bit by a dog in a Zombie Apocalypse that you wouldn't be scared? At least he was kind enough to think about what to do. Larry wanted to throw out Duck when he assumed he got bit! As for Matthew's death, he doesn't reprimand Clem or get pissed at her for telling Nick, which may have ended in Nick's death. He lets her do her own thing after giving his opinion. Yeah, he's very opinionated, but that's how he is.
A lot of things he does is crazy at the time, but when you sit down and look at it, it's beyond cowardly.
i have never liked Luke,from not sitting with him to saying ive gotta go,he seems like hes a do-gooder trying to please everyone but lacking morals to stand up for himself in tricky situations,but the phrase' she's the plan?!?!' when his idea to leave Kenny and Sarita behind just done it for me,he doesn't care for clem in the same way Kenny does.
Which is why Luke didn't want to do that. He was saying 'we should wait, because if we don't, we'll either have to carry an unconscious man through a herd of lurkers OR leave them behind. This is why I am saying we should wait.'
As he said he was playing devils advocate, we can definitely say that was what he meant!
He cares for Clem I just hate how forceful the feelings are. He feels he's got special bragging rights and right to be her guardian. He doesn't give her the will to choose who SHE wants to look after her.
i have never liked Luke,from not sitting with him to saying ive gotta go,he seems like hes a do-gooder trying to please everyone but lacking… more morals to stand up for himself in tricky situations,but the phrase' she's the plan?!?!' when his idea to leave Kenny and Sarita behind just done it for me,he doesn't care for clem in the same way Kenny does.
Lets fuck this around for a bit. Lukes the one who takes the beating so Kennys shouldn't have to.
What do you think Kenny's going to suggest later? Yeah...
Edit: And Luke suggest that they should wait and everyone were like lets go tonight, then he said "Okay, but if we are doing this NOW, maybe we should think leave people behind, its not fair but it would increase our odds"
When has Luke ever 'forced' the idea of being Clem's guardian? If anything, Kenny is the one that immediately made assumptions about where Clem was going to stay in E2, and unlike Luke, 'remembers' if you don't sit with his group at dinner.
He cares for Clem I just hate how forceful the feelings are. He feels he's got special bragging rights and right to be her guardian. He doesn't give her the will to choose who SHE wants to look after her.
Exactly. I don't understand why this keeps coming up against Luke. When I played this moment in game I was neither shocked nor angry at Luke. I wouldn't have been shocked or angry at ANYONE who suggested that because I saw it coming a mile away. The people who still argue about Luke's character based on this moment or about the practicality of leaving Kenny if he was still unconscious kind of confuse me.
Lets fuck this around for a bit. Lukes the one who takes the beating so Kennys shouldn't have to.
What do you think Kenny's going to su… moreggest later? Yeah...
Edit: And Luke suggest that they should wait and everyone were like lets go tonight, then he said "Okay, but if we are doing this NOW, maybe we should think leave people behind, its not fair but it would increase our odds"
Try being sleep deprived and going without food for days and then get roughed up a little ( I've been sleep deprived before and it ain't a happy feeling you feel like you could pass out at any given moment) it may not compare to losing an eye but it sure isn't "a little beating"
Luke didn't go through shit. Ok so he didn't get any sleep or food I can tip my hat to that but saying he got beat up isn't the word. He got… more a little roughed up and smacked about a lil'. Luke didn't get his face pummeled in by a walkie talkie and loose an eye.
He cares for Clem I just hate how forceful the feelings are. He feels he's got special bragging rights and right to be her guardian. He doesn't give her the will to choose who SHE wants to look after her.
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I agree completely.
I wonder if it was reversed, would you agree with Kenny's "practicality" in that matter?
The thing a lot of people are forgetting is that he was being real, and to prove his point staying behind was better, he was playing 'devils advocate' to convince everyone to stay. I quote from thefreedictionary.com: 'One who argues against a cause or position, not as a committed opponent but simply for the sake of argument or to determine the validity of the cause or position.'
He wasn't saying, okay, fuck it, lets go, fuck Kenny, he can't move. He was saying look, we can't go straight away, we need to bide our time and wait, but if you guys want to go, then understand we can't carry an unconscious man out of here into a herd of walkers and make it out alive.
I'm not sure how repeating oneself helps to improve the point, but I can see it, and I'm not disagreeing with it.
He's pissed that Kenny wants to kill Carver, but what does he think would have happened to Kenny if they'd left him behind? A get well party and hugs? Kenny's blood would be on his hands.
Why did he followed Carver and his group, not eating and sleeping for days?
Why did he searched for Clementine and Nick/Pete?
Why did he saved Clementine in the first place?
>Kenny's blood would be on his hands.<
No. It would not.
He does not wanted to leave Kenny behind in the first place.
Luke said it himself, the herd of walkers were going to hit the place anyways and it was going to hit it soon. The idea of leaving that night was the best, and Kenny DID regain consciousness, his idea of leaving behind an injured Kenny and a broken down Sarita was messed up. I also found it weird where he suggested they leave Kenny and Sarita behind but afterwards he didn't want to even lay a finger on Carver, Luke has very weird morals. (He most likely knew if he did leave them behind Carver would torture both of them for information, and afterwards kill the both of them.)
"Luke had his guard up, once again, he was worried about Pete's and his safety as in his mind, this girl was a goner and going to turn. He was being practical."
I don't really consider "Yeah, what, and have you sink your teeth into Pete's NECK?! No way!" "Really? Just some random asshole dog in the forest?!" and "Well you better be fine. Cause I ain't carrying you anymore with that bite on your arm." as "practical" anymore, it's just cruel.
"Yeah, like I said, he doesn't get pissed with her later about that, unlike other characters in this game. He was vocal, and asked her to do something to cover up Matthews death, but he doesn't get pissed later on about her telling Walter."
That's because he didn't know she actually told him.
It just comes down to if you have a whole group locked up in a prison like situation and you have one that's unconscious, do you risk leaving that one guy behind to save more people? Because that's what they might've needed to have done if Kenny hadn't woken up because there would've been no easy way of helping him out, especially with the 'smear walker guts on us trick' and that massive herd coming. So Luke doesn't suggest it out of spite, but out of a tough decision, like all the tough decisions the game gives you like do you save Doug or Carley. And it's also brought up if you let the dialogue keep playing that Luke admits he screwed up and it's his fault because he got hungry and was caught stealing food, which inevitably led to what happened to Kenny covering for Clem.
One thing I can agree on is I think its poor Telltale didn’t put in any mention of Luke bringing up Nick in Episode 3. Even if it had been something a quick “I found Nick, as one of those things,” when and if he’d gone back to the ski lodge and discovered his friend as a ‘lurker’ that would’ve added some emotional weight on his buddy when he and Clem meet up again. But who knows, it was all about the prison break this episode so maybe Nick will get a mention in Episode 4. So for the most part, I think it was just the writing since Luke did show he cared about Nick in Episode 2 in the cellar, where they fooled you into thinking Nick's a walker and Luke gets relieved he isn't dead. It's why also Luke didn't want Walter knowing about Matthew's death, which if you pick silence over Luke will say 'it's a fuck up thing to do, but it's the only choice we got.' he wanted to protect his friend, and was worried what'd happen to Nick if the truth came out. So he does care, it just wasn't shown well enough in the recent episode.
But the thing on Alvin is difficult because it’s not clear what history these guys have. But if Alvin lives through into Episode 3 only to die helping Clem escape, Luke will expression sympathy to Rebecca when they find out Alvin is dead. Other than that, it might've been Luke just didn't know Alvin as well as he knew Pete or Nick.
Yeah, Kenny has it waaaaaay worse with the beating, no doubt, but Luke had it really rough from the end of 202 right up to when he got beat. When we met him again, I was so convinced he was but because he looked so 'off'.
I will not force you to look at things the way I see it, if you get it and don't agree, that's fine, hell, it's what these forums are for!
Thanks for actually sticking around to go through with it, I enjoyed this :)
No problem about that, there were moments when I didn't know what to respond, but it feels good to finally go through with it.
Leaving Kenny behind would be the same thing as killing him.
Scratch that, not only killing him, Carver would probably have tortured him a long time before offing him. He had a gripe with Kenny.
I'm just saying,him suggesting that didn't fit at all with this super good guy image he has.
The Nick thing was most definitely an oversight. Nick got completely tossed aside in this episode and so was Luke, to an extent. Everything was rushing by and we never at all got to ask Luke about what he was feeling. Plus, whenever we were with him he was loopy from exhaustion and worried about getting everybody out. I could see him as the type to just push the idea of Nick being dead away and focusing on the task at hand instead. I expect we'll get more out of Luke about that in the next episode, if they deem to actually have the Cabin Group be more important than Kenny, anyways. I chalk this one up to the problems of Nick being a determinant character.
As others have said, we KNOW that Luke cares about Nick. We saw his emotional reaction to finding out that Nick was alright in episode 2. Unless he magically stopped caring about Nick after that and after desperately trying to keep him out of danger by not telling Walter what happened, I would expect this was just a bad writing mistake.
He is not the leader, that is why he needed to consider all the other options and opinions.
Some wanted to leave right away and if the group would have decided for this option, well, they would have needed to leave Kenny behind.
He was just telling the group what the consequences would be.
Luke himself wanted to stay and to let everyone heal up first.
'Luke said it himself, the herd of walkers were going to hit the place anyways and it was going to hit it soon' Straight after he says, 'Now I don't know when, but it's coming.' They had time to wait. The only reason the walkers are so close at the end is because the PA system was on. And anyway, if they stayed, Luke was risking his life. The walkie talkie idea was his, he was going to end up like Alvin, no doubt. He knows Carver, and I have no doubt he knows this. He essentially put Kenny's and the entire group's chances of survival above his own wellbeing.
Killing Carver is like killing the St Johns. Personally, I left them both alive, maimed and about to get attacked by walkers. Luke was going to tie him up and most likely leave him for the walkers. Like one of the brothers said, Luke doesn't want to 'give a part of yourself (by murder) so others can live'.
2. A dog bite, to me, sounds like a convenient excuse for a lurker bite. Come on, other than Sam, have we seen other dogs? We're biased cause we know Clementine. If Michelle or something showed up saying they got bit by a dog, and all you had to go on was her word, would you buy it? In a ZA where everyone is desperate to survive? Don't forget, before we pass out, we do see Luke come running to us, to carry us the rest of the way!
3. I'll give you that, it remains to be seen. Luke does realise it's a 'fucked up thing to do', but this to survive. After seeing the horrors of Carver's camp, how was he to know that Walter would be forgiving?
It's good to know there's people on here who are prepared to talk things out :D
Yeah, it's good to know that, too.
1. Go to Carver's camp
2.Hate Carver's camp
3. Bond with people in Carver's camp
4. Get rescued/ escape from Carver's camp.
In 90 minutes, they had to achieve SO much. There's no time for character development with Luke and Nick and fiddly dialogue with the determinants.
As he said he was playing devils advocate, we can definitely say that was what he meant!
What do you think Kenny's going to suggest later? Yeah...
Edit: And Luke suggest that they should wait and everyone were like lets go tonight, then he said "Okay, but if we are doing this NOW, maybe we should think leave people behind, its not fair but it would increase our odds"
Carver: Search your feelings, you know it to be-
Kenny: *CROWBAR*
Kenny asked something about Matthew? No...
So the game writer didn't gave about a shit these things... Bad game writing in here. This is the true.
I like episode 3, but it was too fast for me.