I'm the one complaining? You better go back to the start of this thread and read every page. I am not the one complaining. They should spend… more as much time as they need to make sure the script is just right. And I don't understand? I know that writing a script is just like writing a screenplay. Which is what I am attending Southern New Hampshire University. I graduate next year after I intern on the writing team for a movie or TV show. And my professor told me that he got me a job as an intern for the show From Dusk Til Dawn. I have to go to Texas soon. Get to work with Robert Rodriguez. So until you know the in's and out's of what it takes to write a great script, why don't you begone. :)
first of all, it isn't childish it's a community trying to step up and speak out and tell telltale that they are doing something wrong for a game we love, second, taking criticism's from the consumer is not a bad thing, they shouldn't know what to do just by thinking it up by themselves, taking what the community wants is being an active developer for your game. if they just thought everything up themselves without any advice from the community the games would not be as good.
You have a point, but "90 minutes" isn't a source of the problem here, lack of focus is the real issue and run time isn't going to fix it. I… morem sorry but no.
My point is that if TT would change the run time, they wouldhave done it with out this childish petition.
Your 1,7K named petition they would forced them to do it sure, BUT they wouldn't do it cause THEY want to do it, they would do it cause they got complains from fans and and then there's danger of dragging unnecessarily the episode. TT also starts to think "how we make these episode longer?". They should ask them selfs, "how we can make these episode more interesting and more compelled"
Anyway, take my like cause you still had a point with your 1,7k and it might work.
Ps. And if this petition would be called "make more focused game" im still would hesitate to sign it cause it is very childish act.
but it's childish, if they isn't listened us here, 1,7k petition isn't change that.
And "90 minute" still isn't an issue, it isn't a petition how TT doing wrong to the this "interactive story".
Its petition cause of the length, and if they would add 30 minutes to game it would change the lack of focus.
And petition states that TT have abandoned all "HC" fans to make room to the new fans? What, how lazy writing and lack of character development attracts them. And again how half an hour or hour fixes this? You think after this "1.7" petition they just going to throw games script to a oblivion and write/add ton more development and story? Im sorry, you going to need to make petitions description more mature and over 1.5 million names.
first of all, it isn't childish it's a community trying to step up and speak out and tell telltale that they are doing something wrong for a… more game we love, second, taking criticism's from the consumer is not a bad thing, they shouldn't know what to do just by thinking it up by themselves, taking what the community wants is being an active developer for your game. if they just thought everything up themselves without any advice from the community the games would not be as good.
in crawford, you learn about brie, molly, vernon,christa even more about clem, how ben was growing connected to kenny and couldn't hide his secret and you also learned about crawford, what do you mean walking around for that halfie? lol
Like i said if those extra 30+ minutes add everything missing from season 1(good character development, good writing,etc) then yeah. You think we're asking for more walking time doing nothing but that's not what we're asking for.
Would those xtra minute be S1 quality because of a petition of 1,7K names, If we play it has that many names and they actually noting it?
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Or would they just add some padded walking around that would be maybe cool in the first playthrough but after that, not so much?
but it's childish, if they isn't listened us here, 1,7k petition isn't change that.
And "90 minute" still isn't an issue, it isn't a pe… moretition how TT doing wrong to the this "interactive story".
Its petition cause of the length, and if they would add 30 minutes to game it would change the lack of focus.
And petition states that TT have abandoned all "HC" fans to make room to the new fans? What, how lazy writing and lack of character development attracts them. And again how half an hour or hour fixes this? You think after this "1.7" petition they just going to throw games script to a oblivion and write/add ton more development and story? Im sorry, you going to need to make petitions description more mature and over 1.5 million names.
How can you guys say that your all making telltale look like this big bad company that well take your wallets without a second thought if te… morelltale didn't care explain all the winks at there property ''Gren won't remember this'' ''troy may remember this'' telltale knows the they well remember this has turned into a joke and they have no problem making fun of it if this was Capcom well play DMC and you'll know what I mean.
I've said the same thing and not just on this forum, that it's impossible to give everyone what they want. All you can do is stick to your own vision and create something you can feel proud of or else, why bother?
I do, and he is right.
I also know what goes into writing a story, and that a story shouldn't be longer than it needs to be. The develo… morepers are free to make the game they want, though they should always be prepared for a loss of sales if it goes against what people really want. Artists don't exist to just phone it in and make what others want. They have to want to do things a certain way themselves, or make sure fan suggestions fit. That said, it's a bit different for them than it is me, because they run a business. But I know I wouldn't want to do something to please fans if I myself really didn't want to do something. If I can make suggestions work while sticking with my vision? Then I'm fine with that.
As for rushed, Gousttt, it is subjective. But you and others should realise that no matter what they do, they can't win. You say the episodes are rushed, yet others complain that the episodes take too long.
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I'm not talking about graphics. I'm talking about the characters and situations I thought the escaping situation was brilliant and I loved episode 3's characters and interactions. That Is what I consider quality.
It depends on the nature of the petition. As this is a petition regarding the reduction of the overall length of episodes in comparison to season one and how people are displeased with that. So yes, in this instance it is a complaint regarding episode length.
We did not pay for 2 - 3 hour episodes in the first place. YOU paid for 2 - 3 hour episodes which I don't believe there is a 3 hour episode.
I AS IN ME (because I'm not speaking for everyone) bought this game for good quality.
Its not just about the length, but also (as we have mentioned already) the lack of character development and lack of hubs. The petition should also include those.
Like i said if those extra 30+ minutes add everything missing from season 1(good character development, good writing,etc) then yeah. You think we're asking for more walking time doing nothing but that's not what we're asking for.
With 250K followers on Twitter and millions of views of just one gamer (specifically pewdiepie) playing an episode, this petition is much too late and greatly exaggerates its claims.
First, on the site, TTG mentions that for Season 1, "skilled players will get through an episode on about 2 hours" and for Season 2, "most people finish an episode in around 2 hours." With that in mind, you paid for an episode of either season that takes about 2 hours to play through once, but even that excludes all the dialogue and action sequences that can be revealed with another playthrough, so I would argue that the actual length of Season 1's episodes are not about 50% longer than Season 2's as you seem to be saying. Basically, if you think the length of an episode really determines how good it is to you, then why not tally all the dialogue and action sequences to determine the complete amount of content and then judge everything available? You might find the Season 2 episodes are closer to the length and quality of Season 1's episodes than you believe.
Second, "Telltale should not be working on 4 games at once. Because of this the writers have changed alot of things in the story, so the quality has gone down significantly" doesn't make any sense. How would working on one game cause a change in the writing for a second, different game? Are you saying the writers changed a line in TWD because of something they wrote for TWAU? Also, if the writers have changed a lot of things in the story because they're working on 4 different games, how do you know what was written in the first place and therefore how do you know it's now worse?
Last, to say Telltale has "stopped listening to their biggest fans" and "now are just trying to attract new fans, and abandoning all the hardcore fans" is clearly nonsense. How can you possibly account for the opinions of all their fans (some of whom have only ever watched a playthrough) when you only know of a very small percentage that seem to agree with you? You seem to be confusing how many people share your opinion with how strongly you feel about your opinions. Just because you're personally very annoyed about something doesn't mean you can assume a lot of other people are, or should be, too.
I will concede, however, that the episodes do leave you wanting more. I think we can all agree on that.
Yeah what episode sir?
Unless you stood there for 15 minutes I doubt it was 3 hours.
Even episode 4 wasn't 3 hours at the most it was near 2 and a half.
Also, think of it from telltales view..
They are working on 4 games and are waaaaaay too busy because there team is waaaaayyy to small to handle 4 games.
So they shortened the episodes because of that reason, it's there fault to do a dumb game like tales from the borderlands and it's screwing the other games over. But making it longer isn't really a big option for them I don't think. But I'll sign your petition because I think its good to support each other.
With 250K followers on Twitter and millions of views of just one gamer (specifically pewdiepie) playing an episode, this petition is much to… moreo late and greatly exaggerates its claims.
First, on the site, TTG mentions that for Season 1, "skilled players will get through an episode on about 2 hours" and for Season 2, "most people finish an episode in around 2 hours." With that in mind, you paid for an episode of either season that takes about 2 hours to play through once, but even that excludes all the dialogue and action sequences that can be revealed with another playthrough, so I would argue that the actual length of Season 1's episodes are not about 50% longer than Season 2's as you seem to be saying. Basically, if you think the length of an episode really determines how good it is to you, then why not tally all the dialogue and action sequences to determine the complete amount of content and then judge everything available? You might f… [view original content]
We don't know what 'most fans' think because about 99.999% of them don't post here and will never see that petition. That's why it has a snowball's chance in hell of working, but also why its pointless to draw any conclusions about what people who don't post here think about the subject.
That's...a very dubious conclusion.
We don't know what 'most fans' think because about 99.999% of them don't post here and will never … moresee that petition. That's why it has a snowball's chance in hell of working, but also why its pointless to draw any conclusions about what people who don't post here think about the subject.
A good portion of the comments on metacritic and the like, both user reviews and professional, amount to the exact same thing I see posted here.
"It was really good, but short and linear and is feeling more and more like a visual novel rather than a game with every episode. Clementine has been turned from a child into a superhero and the entire group of adults seem entirely dependent on her."
A lot of us, me included, gave the episode very high marks...and then pointed out how much better it COULD have been if Telltale would just stop trying to streamline the damn thing until the episode practically plays itself on autopilot. That's what people who are troubling themselves with commenting are saying everywhere, from what I can tell.
A good portion of the comments on metacritic and the like, both user reviews and professional, amount to the exact same thing I see posted h… moreere.
"It was really good, but short and linear and is feeling more and more like a visual novel rather than a game with every episode. Clementine has been turned from a child into a superhero and the entire group of adults seem entirely dependent on her."
A lot of us, me included, gave the episode very high marks...and then pointed out how much better it COULD have been if Telltale would just stop trying to streamline the damn thing until the episode practically plays itself on autopilot. That's what people who are troubling themselves with commenting are saying everywhere, from what I can tell.
Compare this 1,7 K number of players to a few MILIONS of fans. It isn't a matter that I don't have faith in this petition. Or maybe I don't have. It just... even this 1,7 K won't be enough and you know that. Besides it won't change anything, like I said earlier. Telltale won't change length of episodes during season. Maybe before TWAU or TWDS2 was released but now? Maybe you had a chance even after episode 1 or 2 but now it's too late.
it won't change anything because you believe it won't change anything, that is the #1 reason most things fail because very little people hav… moree faith in the voice of the customers, if telltale sees "oh only 100 people signed it that means we don't have to do anything" but if all of the 1.7K that viewed this thread would sign it could actually make a difference and show telltale that we care enough in their video game that it needs a change. so if you want to stay without signing it just know that you and many others could have made a difference but you chose not to because "oh it wouldn't change anything"
Compare this 1,7 K number of players to a few MILIONS of fans. It isn't a matter that I don't have faith in this petition. Or maybe I don't … morehave. It just... even this 1,7 K won't be enough and you know that. Besides it won't change anything, like I said earlier. Telltale won't change length of episodes during season. Maybe before TWAU or TWDS2 was released but now? Maybe you had a chance even after episode 1 or 2 but now it's too late.
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Or would they just add some padded walking around that would be maybe cool in the first playthrough but after that, not so much?
And "90 minute" still isn't an issue, it isn't a petition how TT doing wrong to the this "interactive story".
Its petition cause of the length, and if they would add 30 minutes to game it would change the lack of focus.
And petition states that TT have abandoned all "HC" fans to make room to the new fans? What, how lazy writing and lack of character development attracts them. And again how half an hour or hour fixes this? You think after this "1.7" petition they just going to throw games script to a oblivion and write/add ton more development and story? Im sorry, you going to need to make petitions description more mature and over 1.5 million names.
Some of the episodes in season 1 took me 3 hours, and that is what i was expecting with season 2.
First, on the site, TTG mentions that for Season 1, "skilled players will get through an episode on about 2 hours" and for Season 2, "most people finish an episode in around 2 hours." With that in mind, you paid for an episode of either season that takes about 2 hours to play through once, but even that excludes all the dialogue and action sequences that can be revealed with another playthrough, so I would argue that the actual length of Season 1's episodes are not about 50% longer than Season 2's as you seem to be saying. Basically, if you think the length of an episode really determines how good it is to you, then why not tally all the dialogue and action sequences to determine the complete amount of content and then judge everything available? You might find the Season 2 episodes are closer to the length and quality of Season 1's episodes than you believe.
Second, "Telltale should not be working on 4 games at once. Because of this the writers have changed alot of things in the story, so the quality has gone down significantly" doesn't make any sense. How would working on one game cause a change in the writing for a second, different game? Are you saying the writers changed a line in TWD because of something they wrote for TWAU? Also, if the writers have changed a lot of things in the story because they're working on 4 different games, how do you know what was written in the first place and therefore how do you know it's now worse?
Last, to say Telltale has "stopped listening to their biggest fans" and "now are just trying to attract new fans, and abandoning all the hardcore fans" is clearly nonsense. How can you possibly account for the opinions of all their fans (some of whom have only ever watched a playthrough) when you only know of a very small percentage that seem to agree with you? You seem to be confusing how many people share your opinion with how strongly you feel about your opinions. Just because you're personally very annoyed about something doesn't mean you can assume a lot of other people are, or should be, too.
I will concede, however, that the episodes do leave you wanting more. I think we can all agree on that.
Unless you stood there for 15 minutes I doubt it was 3 hours.
Even episode 4 wasn't 3 hours at the most it was near 2 and a half.
Also, think of it from telltales view..
They are working on 4 games and are waaaaaay too busy because there team is waaaaayyy to small to handle 4 games.
So they shortened the episodes because of that reason, it's there fault to do a dumb game like tales from the borderlands and it's screwing the other games over. But making it longer isn't really a big option for them I don't think. But I'll sign your petition because I think its good to support each other.
We don't know what 'most fans' think because about 99.999% of them don't post here and will never see that petition. That's why it has a snowball's chance in hell of working, but also why its pointless to draw any conclusions about what people who don't post here think about the subject.
Posters here are the vocal minority.
That sadly seems to be true.
"It was really good, but short and linear and is feeling more and more like a visual novel rather than a game with every episode. Clementine has been turned from a child into a superhero and the entire group of adults seem entirely dependent on her."
A lot of us, me included, gave the episode very high marks...and then pointed out how much better it COULD have been if Telltale would just stop trying to streamline the damn thing until the episode practically plays itself on autopilot. That's what people who are troubling themselves with commenting are saying everywhere, from what I can tell.