Why Luke's Characterization is Actually Great

edited May 2014 in The Walking Dead
I've noticed a lot of people on this forum complaining a lot about where Telltale is headed with Luke's characterization, that they think he's a "screw up" or that Kenny is overshadowing him, but I'd like to argue in favor of Luke's writing. I actually think it's brilliant because his entire character is a deconstruction.

For a while I didn't like Luke because I assumed he was meant to be this two-dimensional Flynn Rider type, and it came off as so lazy and so dull to me, so I resented him. But when episode 3 rolled around I realized that this is what he was EXACTLY meant to be... but at the same time, not at all.

Luke is a deconstruction of the Ideal Hero. In this universe, we've learned a long time ago that you can't be the Ideal Hero--that is to say, the person who always makes the right choice and always finds a way to do what's morally right and save everyone. We learn that our actions have consequences and sometimes we have to hurt people or leave them behind. It's impossible to be the Ideal Hero.

But Luke very much wants to be this. He's got his big ideas and his big plans, he's got charisma and the stubbornness and the enthusiasm, he's got all the makings of a hero, but he simply CAN'T be that. The world is too cruel and too unforgiving, the humans in it are too complex and unpredictable, he HIMSELF is too complex, and when you try too hard to try and still be that Ideal Hero, your actions end up a lot more pragmatic than you intended them to be. It's interesting to me because Luke, at this point, is essentially a Pragmatic Hero but it's a weird pragmatism, it's an unintentional pragmatism that's done with idealistic intent.

Let's go over some of Luke's questionable actions:
Right off the bat, Luke is our hope spot in episode 1. When he carries Clementine through the woods we all get this feeling of, "Okay. We're safe. We have our 'Lee' now." But then he notices she's bitten and drops her. Luke will fight on to protect Clementine because she's a child but only when he wants to make her his Cause--the other half of the time he'll utilize her when it's convenient for him, when his Cause becomes "the good of the group" again. He deprives himself of sleep and starves himself following the group night and day back to Carver’s camp, working up these PLANS and STRATEGIES to get it and save the dya, but it’s not like the movies, it’s not like video games, you have to eat and rest and when he finally reaches his breaking point and caves and tries to steal food, he ends up accidentally screwing himself and the group over. And I think what really drove it home for me was him suggesting leaving behind Kenny and Sarita—he’ll refuse to kill Carver, the Big Bad of the first three episode, when he’s got him at his mercy, but he’ll sentence these people to death as long as he’s not the one pulling the trigger.

There's this strange kind of hypocrisy to him and it's not even intentional--it's all with really, really good intentions, like it's obvious to me that Luke genuinely means well. But this universe is fighting against him--you can't be good. You can't save the little girl because you're in a world where bites are dangerous and throwing her on the ground means survival. You can't choose to spare the bad guys, you can't push yourself to the limit and run of good faith, you can't just use people like tools and ignore the consequences of your actions as if it all folds into your plot, because humans are complex.

I didn't realize this about Luke until episode 3 but it's foreshadowed by Nick in episode 2, when he tells you about their failed business venture--"his big plan. Some fuckin' plan." In his brief words, Nick tells you everything you need to know about Luke, everything we're going to come to learn about him: he gets these grandiose ideas that always fall through, and he ropes in people who are lost or vulnerable or dependent on him who agree because they have nothing else, and he pulls them down with them.

In my eyes, Luke has gone from one of the blandest characters in the game to one of the most intriguing. His ENTIRE CHARACTER is a deconstruction.

In a nutshell, his entire purpose is to remind us that in this world, heroes do not exist. They CAN'T.
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  • Great read,i agree with this post completely,
    And i fooking love your Avatar
  • edited May 2014
    Interesting, I never though about Luke like that, I guess in a way it makes sense. I mean look at Lee, you can play him as a beacon of morality and he still ends up dying in front of a little girl who loves and needs him. It's like you said TWD universe doesn't have heroes.
  • Very insightful! Even I had never thought of Luke in that way...
  • I agree, you can't be a hero without flaws, and it wouldn't be much fun having it in the game anyway. Telltale may have some flaws, but writing is not one of them imo.
  • Extremely well thought out theory. I very much agree with this.
    Him and Kenny are so different but both great characters.
  • edited May 2014
    I like the thoughtfulness of this post, but I do feel that much of your proposed ideas are based more on supposition than backstory and character development (thus far, anyway). I've personally never felt that Luke was a screw up; in fact, it's his ready use of trust and kindness, poster boy looks and All American Boy charm that sort of pigeon holes the character for me. I don't even think he's made some questionable decisions either; he's continuously sought the betterment of the group, he immediately set out to bond with a lonely Clementine, and while he could have just kept on running after Carver captured everyone else, he didn't.

    Luke's obviously being positioned as an important player, so I'm inclined to believe that he's going to be at the centre of a major plot twist or even have that act of pure heroism over the next two episodes. What I've also taken into account that his presence in this Season is designed to be another figure Clementine becomes emotionally attached to, only to be ripped away in the end.
  • "That guy is a flake, I could tell the second I set eyes on him."

    I like the thoughtfulness of this post, but I do feel that much of your proposed ideas are based more on supposition than backstory and char

  • Amazing character analysis. I knew Luke had flaws, but I didn't know they were this interesting!
  • I was not mad at luke, i was mad at the fact that he had like 5mins of screentime.
  • edited May 2014
    Excellent post and I agree with most of it. Ever since Luke dropped Clem in episode one I just had a feeling that we were suppose to maintain a bit of wariness about his character. Nick's quote and a number of other things going forward just added to that impression. I feel like this season is as much a test for Luke as it for Clem in keeping one's humanity while surviving the world as it is. It'll be interesting seeing how they both fare at the end.
  • I thought it was strange how one moment he was acting brave and heroic, and the next moment he was fucking up. What an excellent deconstruction, it makes a lot of sense and really helps shed some light on Luke's inconsistencies. I agree wholeheartedly - I think he means well and wants to be a hero, but ultimately can't. It's funny because I've known people in the real world who were just like that.

    Nice writing, Telltale. Very nice indeed.
  • edited May 2014
    If Luke had his way, Carver would have lived to pursue the group again. He wouldn't have had the guts to kill him.

    Luke is necessary to keep the group's moral compass in check, yet Kenny is also necessary because he isn't afraid to do whatever is necessary to protect the group. He can also keep his cool and think clearly in a situation where someone like Kenny would most likely act brashly.

    Luke's biggest weakness are his idealistic morals in a world where they don't quite fit anymore. He's trying to hold onto them, and having a hard time at it. I think for him to see a kid like Clem say something like "Just shoot Carver" would completely wreck him from the inside.
    Just like Sarita said about Matthew and Walter, "Honestly, it's dangerous to be this kind in this world. But they can't help it..."
  • This.

    I feel that Clementine is slotted somewhere between the two, trying to pull both ends to the middle of the spectrum. If you think about it, Kenny's relationship with Luke isn't that dissimilar from the one he shared with Lilly.
    Pride posted: »

    If Luke had his way, Carver would have lived to pursue the group again. He wouldn't have had the guts to kill him. Luke is necessary to

  • edited May 2014
    I'd actually peg Rebecca as being closer to Lilly than Luke. It's probably only because she's pregnant that she's not actively trying to lead. Luke has ideas but not quite the same strong will that Lilly had in pushing them through, relying more on others to agree with him.

    This. I feel that Clementine is slotted somewhere between the two, trying to pull both ends to the middle of the spectrum. If you think about it, Kenny's relationship with Luke isn't that dissimilar from the one he shared with Lilly.

  • Nice theory though Kenny is a more interesting and better-written character than Luke will ever be.
  • edited May 2014
    This has to be the first time I've read something this long in the forum. You certainly have a point, and I didn't consider this until just now. I always liked Luke, but I knew he wasn't perfect. I just never analysed him too much because, like you said, he seemed a rather shallow character. A good, strong man meant to be good and strong. But I think you're right. He wants to be good and strong, but the world is too unforgiving. He could even turn into some sort of moral compass and a complete foil to the more cinical and pragmatic Kenny.

    Also, "it's not like video games". Seriously? :)
  • Agreed. I don't think everyone realizes that he can't separate oceans for the group... he's just human and he did a damn good job getting to the group, even though he did get caught.
  • To an extent he already served as a moral compass, him just wanting to tie Carver up.

    This has to be the first time I've read something this long in the forum. You certainly have a point, and I didn't consider this until just

  • I really like this post! Take my like!

    I think this is why a lot of people don't like Luke. He's built up to be the big "Hero" but falls short. People's expectations get dashed, disappointment sets in, and they begin hating and resenting him for being human. It's not fair to his character.

    I still believe in Luke though. He's my favorite character this season(Nick's a close second).
  • edited May 2014
    Oh I can definitely see and agree with that, but my point was relating to the dynamic between Kenny and Luke clashing over the best laid plans for the group.

    In a way, I hope Rebecca survives the ordeal because I think her character could become increasingly interesting once she gives birth. She could become Mother Earth or an alpha she-wolf.
    Night_Owl posted: »

    I'd actually peg Rebecca as being closer to Lilly than Luke. It's probably only because she's pregnant that she's not actively trying to lea

  • Kenny, flaws and all, is a better written character because whether one likes or dislikes him, it's for very humanised reasons. I tend to oscillate between love and hate with Kenny, as I would with anyone that I respected yet often clashed with. You can see the thorough good in Kenny's character, so much that you understand his flaws.
    MayieChii posted: »

    Nice theory though Kenny is a more interesting and better-written character than Luke will ever be.

  • Good post. I never saw Luke this way. It certainly makes his character more interesting when you look at him from this angle.
  • =My summary of Luke=

    So we meet Luke in the forest and get our ass saved by him and Pete. Fair play, he's just helped a little girl which I'm sure anyone with a level head would. On the way back to the cabin Luke spots the blood on the arm and throws Clem to the floor. Why would you do that? Ok so there is blood on there and it might be a bite and I can understand you would be in shock but she isn't going to turn that very second. Then he starts vocally assaulting her about it.
    So we finally get back to the cabin. Everyone starts suggesting we put Clem in the shed. EVERYONE. Luke isn't opposed to the idea of it, he might say to give her the benefit of the doubt but doesn't do anything amazing to stop us going in. He won't even give you any blankets or food, not even a little something to clean it up. Alvin give more of a shit than him.
    Nothing much happened at dinner I would consider dickish. He was quite friendly towards Clem.
    Episode 2 is when his inner douche begins to shine. So were getting away from the cabin because Carver is following us. This means that the cabin group has pulled us into THEIR problems. Ok then, I guess we were back at the house when that happened so it's not really anyones fault.
    Luke was nice letting Clem take the small walker no keep her out of any danger. He respects her even if she wants to go for the big walker so he gets brownie points for that.
    Crossing the bridge. Talking to Matthew, why let a little girl do all the talking? Is he an idiot. You don't entrust a little girl with something that dangerous. The guy had a gun and could of been anyone.
    So this part is what adds Luke some dick points. When Nick comes running in with a rifle what does Luke do? He starts shouting and flailing his arms around like he is in destress. Isn't that gonna trigger something in Nick? I mean it looked like he and Clem were at gunpoint and they needed help. If anything, Matthews death was Luke's fault. Then he has the nerve to verbaly abuse Nick about it and pin the blame on him AND bring Pete into the equasion.
    Dinner table time. So you take a seat with whoever you want but I'll focus on the Kenny one because I know it best (Wonder why? ;) ). So Kenny asks you if you want to stay, lets just say you say that beforehand and you have both agreed upon this. You've went over to catch up with Kenny, the guy you haven't seen in 2 years. Then Nick and Luke can't be away from you for 5 fuckin' seconds and invite the table. If they took a seat and then small talked then that's fine but Luke lays down ground rules what he is taking Clem and Nick insults Kenny's plan. That's when he takes offense and fights back. He didn't start the argument. Then if you tell Luke you are staying with Kenny he gets all butthurt about it and thinks you should head out with him and the group because you've known them a week and they've done SO much for you.
    So now Luke has finally clicked on that Matthew was part of the lodge group. He then wants to hide the knife and lie to Walter. Don't you think he should have a right to know? Luke certainly doesn't and then he wants you to lie to Nick about it. If you disagree he starts to verbally assault Nick and Clem about it. Practically forcing you to throw out the knife and lie regardless about what you think.
    Near the end he takes off when the group is in danger by Carver. Wow great going Luke, hope you enjoy the hike. Kenny and Luke could of rescued the group together if it wasn't for him taking off like that. Kenny stood a good chance by himself. If we had two people taking on Carver and his goons I'm sure we would of stood a much better chance.
    Episode 3. So Luke is absent for most of the episode, well about half. He finally comes back and has an 'amazing' plan to sneak past 25 armed guards and steal some radios. Nice going Luke. Although I give him respect for not having food and sleep for possibly 2 days or more.
    However his stupidity and plan cost Kenny an eye and the man took a beating for him, in turn loosing his eye. It could of been Luke or someone from the cabin group taking that beating if Kenny didn't step up.
    Then scumbag Luke comes out of nowhere and suggests we just leave Kenny behind, the man that took a beating for him. I can understand where Luke is coming from because if it was anyone else asides from Kenny and Sarita I would of been ok leaving them behind and I'm sure Kenny would but come on Luke at least show some respect for the guy.
    Now 'hardass Luke' is gone and ' no balls Luke' has taken the stage. Carver, the bastard that captured them, tortured many of them, caused hurt and pain, murdered several people and brought down suffering to more than a few people. Luke thinks killing him 'isn't right'. What is up with that? He was fine leaving Kenny behind beforehand and now it comes to wiping this scumbag off the earth and he's having a hard time? Dafuq Luke?

    Not saying you have to agree but this is just my opinion on Luke.
  • edited May 2014
    There's no hypocrisy in his pointing out that Kenny needs to be left behind. First of all, he didn't want to. Second of all, he only mentioned it because it would risk the lives of the entirety of the group if they dragged Kenny's unconscious form with them.

    The hypocrisy is then turning around and not wanting to shoot Carver. I think Luke recognizes the practical and hard decisions that must be made but then doesn't have it in his heart to follow through with them. I get the distinct impression that if Kenny had never woken up and the others had agreed to leave him and go that night, Luke would have backed off of that plan and started trying to figure out ways to bring Kenny along or wait.

    You are right in that he's trying to be the moral character in a world where some morals must be sacrificed in order to survive. He tries his best but wanting to save everyone doesn't mean you will. Where I disagree with you is that I don't think Luke has some sort of hero complex. I think he's more of a "I want to help everyone I can", in the moment kind of guy. If that means accepting that someone must get left behind or accepting that it's dangerous to give a man closure over his dead partner, then so be it. He doesn't seem to care about necessarily appearing the big hero to others because if he did, he'd be more balls to the wall like Kenny and not sneaking around all the time. He's practical but his practicality has not yet worked out. And he's willing in theory to make the hard choices but he's not a hardened soul and can't really follow through. Not yet, anyways.

    Edit: Also, the more I think about it, the more I think that Kenny and Luke being leaders together (if they respected and trusted each other) would combine two very good elements. Kenny is hardened and willing to follow through with most hard choices and Luke is there as a moral compass and to hold back impulsive and reckless decisions. They would fill in in each other what each of them lacks.
  • Lily was far more aggressive than Rebecca and Luke combined. Along with clashing over group decisions, Lily and Kenny's dynamic was very much grounded in their tension and distrust with one another, especially after Larry died. On the other hand whilst Luke/Rebecca may have a different approach to the ZA than Kenny, I think by now they have developed a respect for one another.
    Night_Owl posted: »

    I'd actually peg Rebecca as being closer to Lilly than Luke. It's probably only because she's pregnant that she's not actively trying to lea

  • There are so many holes I can poke in this but I don't have the time. I'm sure I've done so in other threads at other points. In short, I disagree with almost every point you just made.
    Regi_ posted: »

    =My summary of Luke= So we meet Luke in the forest and get our ass saved by him and Pete. Fair play, he's just helped a little girl whi

  • This is beautifully put. And I fully agree.
    Rynna posted: »

    There's no hypocrisy in his pointing out that Kenny needs to be left behind. First of all, he didn't want to. Second of all, he only mention

  • When Kenny is angry and assertive, I hate him. When he is kind and heroic, I love him.

    Kenny, flaws and all, is a better written character because whether one likes or dislikes him, it's for very humanised reasons. I tend to os

  • From her expressions during the group's argument on what action to take, I got the feeling that Clem was having flashes to the arguments the S1 group (more so Kenny and Lily) would have. I sensed a feeling of... Weariness in her in that moment.

    This. I feel that Clementine is slotted somewhere between the two, trying to pull both ends to the middle of the spectrum. If you think about it, Kenny's relationship with Luke isn't that dissimilar from the one he shared with Lilly.

  • I feel the same. His flashes of hot temper are hard to fully despise because most of them come from a "ride or die" attitude when it comes to friendship and allegiance. But for a man he's one of the more caustic and catty characters in the whole game, and his impulsive nature to jump in without much thought is stressful. On the other hand, he's a resilient bastard with a genuine everyday man appeal, and it's admirable that he's managed to keep the core of his family values in spite of actually losing both his wife and son. As I said, the reason why Kenny made such a huge impression among fans is because he's an effectively written character. He feels very much comprised of traits we recognise in people we know in our own lives.

    When Kenny is angry and assertive, I hate him. When he is kind and heroic, I love him.

  • I think your post below reads as a sufficient counter to the criticisms raised of Luke's decision making here, though.
    Rynna posted: »

    There are so many holes I can poke in this but I don't have the time. I'm sure I've done so in other threads at other points. In short, I disagree with almost every point you just made.

  • edited May 2014
    Excellent thread, I love reading long deconstructions on characters. This puts Luke in an entirely different light for me. Before EP3, I thought he was the archetypal 'brave hero'—bland, and not very memorable, in my opinion. However, after EP3 when his character flaws reared in the form of unrealistic idealism, I started seeing him differently. Though I believe he'll survive until the end of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if his inclination to be a morally good hero is his downfall. I can really see Luke's character developing and I like the direction it's going in.

    I think TTG may be setting us up for the rumored "ice cream and pizza" decision, which was theorized to be Luke and Kenny. If it's true, the choice definitely won't be easy. Both characters have their own individual shortcomings, and I imagine we'll get to see the broad spectrum of them before the season is over.
  • This is an interesting observation and one that I had also made is when Clementine responds to Kenny when he's leaning on her to back him up is that, regardless of agreeing or disagreeing, she does so rather gently. Almost like she's tracing back Kenny's hot headed stubbornness with both Lee and Lilly.
    Chocolates posted: »

    From her expressions during the group's argument on what action to take, I got the feeling that Clem was having flashes to the arguments the S1 group (more so Kenny and Lily) would have. I sensed a feeling of... Weariness in her in that moment.

  • I'm kinda hoping for Luke to survive the whole season. It would be a nice change of pace it the guy who is kind and good with morals and humanity is one of the final survivors. Really tired of the "You have to be mean and cruel and brutal in order to survive" thing. Let the nice ones live for once, for fuck's sake!
    sayakamiki posted: »

    Excellent thread, I love reading long deconstructions on characters. This puts Luke in an entirely different light for me. Before EP3, I tho

  • I found his line about family being the most important thing to be quite intriguing, considering he was the only one in the cabin who didn't have one. I felt like that was maybe a contributing factor to why he got so close to Clem, so quickly. Carlos had Sarah, Alvin had Rebecca; despite knowing Pete and Nick almost his whole life and Pete believing in his capabilities more than Nick's, ultimately Pete and Nick were family and would always show allegiance first and foremost to one another. In a sense, that set him apart from everyone else. When Clem came, I think he saw someone else that was alone like him. There has been a very heated discussion on this forum about his actions during the bridge scene in A House Divided, but instances such as that and others (such as when out of all the cabin members, he told Clem and no one else about Matthew; his getting hurt when she sits with Kenny) shows that he wants to have his own unit with Clem. Thus far he has treated her in quite a brotherly fashion and his regarding each other as future partners (not in a romantic sense) would explain why he acts the way he does with her (like the whole killing zombies will be fun, you take shorty, I'll take the big one scene).

    That's a theory I had. Maybe I'm overanalysing it and he's just friendly and with other more plausible reasons behind his actions, but this was a thought that came to me.
  • This 100%!
    Pride posted: »

    If Luke had his way, Carver would have lived to pursue the group again. He wouldn't have had the guts to kill him. Luke is necessary to

  • Well said!
    Rynna posted: »

    There's no hypocrisy in his pointing out that Kenny needs to be left behind. First of all, he didn't want to. Second of all, he only mention

  • I like this interpretation! I definitely got the feeling that Luke saw a kindred spirit in Clementine. Perhaps there's more to his past that ties into that than we know. It also explains why he's so upset when Clementine goes down a colder, harsher path.

    Luke's desire to form a bond with Clementine actually makes me wonder whether he may have had a little sister before the ZA.
    Chocolates posted: »

    I found his line about family being the most important thing to be quite intriguing, considering he was the only one in the cabin who didn't

  • The group is his family, and he traveled very far to get them back, but yeah, I agree, maybe he does see a kindred spirit in Clem. That's why he seemed to latch onto her really quickly. I'm really enjoying their brother/sister dynamic.
    Chocolates posted: »

    I found his line about family being the most important thing to be quite intriguing, considering he was the only one in the cabin who didn't

  • I REALLY don't like Kenny but I think he's an amazing character. He's incredibly human and incredibly understandable and realistic. I just don't like him, though he sways me with some of his actions every now and again. He's one of those characters that you either love or hate and neither side is wrong.

    Kenny, flaws and all, is a better written character because whether one likes or dislikes him, it's for very humanised reasons. I tend to os

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