Did you really change your comment to further insult the people I've made it very clear I will defend?... I'll do my best to leave it, just know that some of the nicest people I've ever met reside there.
Okay last comment on the topic. They haven't been doing the same thing with season 2 as the have been with season 1. Anyone can see that, it… more runs allot smoother, you have the option to import old saves, less bugs and glitches, more choices. It truly is very different.
I'm trying to settle this, thank you. That jab wasn't needed. I apologized for both our argument and the wiki one, the wiki argument I didn't even anticipate so I can't be blamed for that.
Let me explain. I am a chat moderator on the walking dead wiki. CodPatrol is a user there, who recognized me (I have the same username). That is what caused the argument and once again I'm sorry about that.
I would also like to apologize again for, well the arguments here that were my fault. I wasn't in a fantastic shape yesterday and perhaps my reasoning was clouded by this. You must understand that due to my line of work I take things like this rather seriously and I have the utmost respect for game developers, that's probably what irritated me. (I'd been up for 30 hours when this argument took place, my memory of it is rather hazy).
Anyway, I apologize to anyone I offended. CodPatrol has been banned from The Walking Dead Wiki for good reason and I will probably not continue any further discussion on the topic, in fear of the dreaded thumbs down.
Personally, I don't see any problem with the episode length. The only reason season 1 episodes were longer was because they had more filler, more walking back and forth solving puzzles, hubs etc. Nothing really important for the plot. I bet if you took only the dialogue and plot parts from both seasons, the episodes would be pretty much the same length.
I for one do not care that much for hubs. Unless they make sense, and at this point in the story it just doesn't make much sense for Clementine to chill around and talk to people.
Let me explain. I am a chat moderator on the walking dead wiki. CodPatrol is a user there, who recognized me (I have the same username). Tha… moret is what caused the argument and once again I'm sorry about that.
I would also like to apologize again for, well the arguments here that were my fault. I wasn't in a fantastic shape yesterday and perhaps my reasoning was clouded by this. You must understand that due to my line of work I take things like this rather seriously and I have the utmost respect for game developers, that's probably what irritated me. (I'd been up for 30 hours when this argument took place, my memory of it is rather hazy).
Anyway, I apologize to anyone I offended. CodPatrol has been banned from The Walking Dead Wiki for good reason and I will probably not continue any further discussion on the topic, in fear of the dreaded thumbs down.
Some do, some just want food, go tell who's who, all I know is that there're starving people on the streets, and they have the choice buying food with the money we give them.
There's nothing wrong with game length.
The problem is content. There is no content when you DO get the chance to roam around, it's ba… moresically a puzzle leading into the next area, dangerously close to being Jurassic Park with choices.
Season 2 has the exact same types of areas as season one, the problem is there is no content in those areas. Tried talking to Rebecca, she thanked me. OK. So I go to Sarah to talk, says she doesn't want to talk. Go to Nick to talk, says something and lets you go. No more investigation into these people's lives.
The issue with Season Two isn't length or hubs, because the length is fine and the walking simulators are there, but it's the way the areas are being used.
I guess you are ok with the episodes even if you agree with us, but I'm not the type of person to sit there and do as I'm told, we have our option to correct Telltale on some of the matters, that's why the game is episodic, we're trying to help with our ideas. I just can't accept this without at least trying to change it.
I won't sign it. Not because I don't agree with you. It just won't change anything. Downvote me if you want it but this petition is pointless either way. Even if the cause is right.
I guess you are ok with the episodes even if you agree with us, but I'm not the type of person to sit there and do as I'm told, we have our … moreoption to correct Telltale on some of the matters, that's why the game is episodic, we're trying to help with our ideas. I just can't accept this without at least trying to change it.
No, stop with the bullshit. I messaged Axel, a very good professional who I have known for a long period of time. You will be banned for assisting a pathetic little fiend called Gravelord who banned me for no reason, I haven't insulted anyone, so I don't care if he banned me, because even if he unbans me now he will still be terminated by the high Admin Axel TWD. Don't even try to say anything to him because I've seen you rats talk about him on chat saying how he is such a bad Admin. Same goes for Riley, you pathetic scumbags talked about him last week and don't even deny it boy, with SilentGlaive on chat at the time not resolving the situation.
Did you really change your comment to further insult the people I've made it very clear I will defend?... I'll do my best to leave it, just know that some of the nicest people I've ever met reside there.
"I for one do not care that much for hubs. Unless they make sense, and at this point in the story it just doesn't make much sense for Clementine to chill around and talk to people."
It's hard to think of a better place for a hub than when a bunch of people are thrown in a prison together. It was a golden opportunity to get to know the group better, to understand their history with Carver better. That opportunity was squandered pretty badly.
Hubs are nothing more and nothing less than a place where you can enjoy a moment of freedom and give character development to all the random people around that the developers expect you to care about. Without such character development, their deaths mean very little. How many people do you think will mourn Sarita the way they mourned Carley or Doug, if she dies?
Personally, I don't see any problem with the episode length. The only reason season 1 episodes were longer was because they had more filler,… more more walking back and forth solving puzzles, hubs etc. Nothing really important for the plot. I bet if you took only the dialogue and plot parts from both seasons, the episodes would be pretty much the same length.
I for one do not care that much for hubs. Unless they make sense, and at this point in the story it just doesn't make much sense for Clementine to chill around and talk to people.
Good luck with that matey. Axel's a smart guy, who knows the rules of wikia at the back of his hand. The message from Sansse will only reinforce this. Grave did nothing wrong and I definitely didn't. You're not above the laws of wikia, as you will sonn find out. You've been banned, deal with it.
No, stop with the bullshit. I messaged Axel, a very good professional who I have known for a long period of time. You will be banned for ass… moreisting a pathetic little fiend called Gravelord who banned me for no reason, I haven't insulted anyone, so I don't care if he banned me, because even if he unbans me now he will still be terminated by the high Admin Axel TWD. Don't even try to say anything to him because I've seen you rats talk about him on chat saying how he is such a bad Admin. Same goes for Riley, you pathetic scumbags talked about him last week and don't even deny it boy, with SilentGlaive on chat at the time not resolving the situation.
I'd personally want something a little more effective than a poll to be a honest. As a poll on a forum would still be barely representative of player numbers. As ultimately the various topic about this subject including this one are the same thing.
I guess you are ok with the episodes even if you agree with us, but I'm not the type of person to sit there and do as I'm told, we have our … moreoption to correct Telltale on some of the matters, that's why the game is episodic, we're trying to help with our ideas. I just can't accept this without at least trying to change it.
Daniel, you called me a bastard multiple times and called me a coward, so don't claim You haven't insulted anyone. And before you say cam brought me over here, don't, because I came here of my own accord, and simply to tell you that you really ought to stop. The more you continue to argue, the more trouble you are getting yourself in. Axel rarely comes on the wiki and if he does, he doesn't tell anyone. He will not ban Gravelord for banning an immature child such as yourself, who cannot keep their insulting comments to themselves. And saying people have more respect for you because you have been on there longer is simply ignorant. People have to work for respect, you just sit in chat and screenshot anything I do. I remember the day I was unbanned I saw you lurking chat to try and send me down again. I have changed somewhat, and have matured more, whereas you have stayed the same. Let's hope this ban changes you too.
Good luck with that matey. Axel's a smart guy, who knows the rules of wikia at the back of his hand. The message from Sansse will only reinf… moreorce this. Grave did nothing wrong and I definitely didn't. You're not above the laws of wikia, as you will sonn find out. You've been banned, deal with it.
Awareness of? Your opinion that you dislike the change? As people would already be aware of the episode length if they have played the episodes. People would be already aware of this fact and everything else on the petition description is opinion and speculation.
Some do, some just want food, go tell who's who, all I know is that there're starving people on the streets, and they have the choice buying food with the money we give them.
Different place, Wikia rules don't apply here, and I don't know wtf your saying, me mature? Funny as fuck coming from you, I haven't broken any rules so far so don't even start. I don't stir shit up like you, I simply stated it was CamtheWoot and he starts shit. I actually agreed with him, people are getting kinda harsh with TTG. And how is it ignorant? I've been there a year longer, I have more authority, I understand the rules.
Daniel, you called me a bastard multiple times and called me a coward, so don't claim You haven't insulted anyone. And before you say cam br… moreought me over here, don't, because I came here of my own accord, and simply to tell you that you really ought to stop. The more you continue to argue, the more trouble you are getting yourself in. Axel rarely comes on the wiki and if he does, he doesn't tell anyone. He will not ban Gravelord for banning an immature child such as yourself, who cannot keep their insulting comments to themselves. And saying people have more respect for you because you have been on there longer is simply ignorant. People have to work for respect, you just sit in chat and screenshot anything I do. I remember the day I was unbanned I saw you lurking chat to try and send me down again. I have changed somewhat, and have matured more, whereas you have stayed the same. Let's hope this ban changes you too.
It's just something that I've had on my mind for a very long time really, and wanted to voice it. Voice it anywhere. It's just that I see a lot of people get worked up over things that are quite inconsequential, whereas there are other things far more deserving of being worked up about. Basically, it's something I see everywhere on the web and it doesn't just apply to Telltale and The Walking Dead. This applies to hate/complaints spewed everywhere over the smallest things and for no logical reason. In no shape or form am I saying that applies to this topic here, however. There's criticism, yes, regardless of what I think of it, but no hate.
That said, I'm no better than others when it comes to helping people. Not that I have the capacity to do so, with the exception of being able to write about common issues. The only difference is I don't get worked up over games.
And don't get me started on talentless people becoming famous or having success. ;) I always get irritated when I see erotica and typo filled stories selling when I can't shift one copy of a story. Not really about other types of celebrities, because it doesn't affect me personally.
Edit: Just to clarify one thing quickly. I spoke about RPG Maker earlier. Has anyone tried it? Anyway, it's not easy making a game. Yet you have people everywhere spewing crap about the games, regardless of whether they've played them or not, instead of judging the games based on their own merit. It's just one example of what I mean about hate, complaining etc. A lot of it is just totally non-sensical.
By the way, is anyone giving Always Sometimes Monsters a try? Kind of relevant to the discussion here about homeless people and such, but something I'm very much interested in. Just waiting for the Humble Bundle store to unlock the game.
We care, what can we do? Make a petition saying "FEED THE HOMLESS NOW!"?
Besides, believe it or not but I always donate to homeless peo… moreple, though this may sound too fictional coming from some guy on the internet, it's real.
Oh and I don't give a shit about celebrities, especially today where you don't even need a talent to become famous, you just need to be an attention whore for that.
It's very good you brought it up though.
My opinion is that the game's quality went down due to them taking on 4 projects at once.
Maybe the fans just didn't get up and talk? Someone has to do it, might as well be us, you can't just be a wise guy and say "that's speculation" about all we're saying when we all know it's the truth.
Awareness of? Your opinion that you dislike the change? As people would already be aware of the episode length if they have played the episo… moredes. People would be already aware of this fact and everything else on the petition description is opinion and speculation.
I meant that Telltale will see the petition and maybe make a big poll, on the website or twitter, asking about the length and quality of the game, then we'll have a bigger amount of people who see it and vote.
I'd personally want something a little more effective than a poll to be a honest. As a poll on a forum would still be barely representative of player numbers. As ultimately the various topic about this subject including this one are the same thing.
It's not always that convenient, restaurants don't just pop up when you see a homeless, if I have food I'm not eating and I see a homeless I'll give it.
No it is just opinion and speculation. You cannot say it is the truth as in order to be able to do that you need to be able to prove it. Which you can't. If you can actually prove that it is not just speculation then please do so. However words on a forum are not proof unless they are backed up with additional information.
The fans are talking about it as shown by the various topic on this forum and similar topics on related forums such as Steam. However that is just a tiny number of people who have played the current episodes and is not representative of the majority of the player base.
My opinion is that the game's quality went down due to them taking on 4 projects at once.
Maybe the fans just didn't get up and talk? S… moreomeone has to do it, might as well be us, you can't just be a wise guy and say "that's speculation" about all we're saying when we all know it's the truth.
Daniel, your outlook is incredibly skewed if you believe someone who has been somewhere longer automatically has more authority. A random 89 year old man does not have more authority or power than Obama. And yeah, maybe I wasn't as mature before but I learned from my mistakes, something you ought to do a lot more often. Wikia rules evidently do apply here if you've been banned, and if you think you can blackmail or persuade axel to lift it, you are severely misguided. Also, I don't exactly appreciate someone slagging me off on somewhere I can't fight back, give me a fair fight and I'll take you on, but gossiping about me to another site is actually very immature and cowardly. Now why don't we just end this, It's evident both of us want to get the last word in, but it would be nice if you actually take on board what I'm saying and lighten up a little bit, accept your ban and move on. Afterall, if you hate TWD wiki that much, why should you care if you're banned?
Different place, Wikia rules don't apply here, and I don't know wtf your saying, me mature? Funny as fuck coming from you, … more I haven't broken any rules so far so don't even start. I don't stir shit up like you, I simply stated it was CamtheWoot and he starts shit. I actually agreed with him, people are getting kinda harsh with TTG. And how is it ignorant? I've been there a year longer, I have more authority, I understand the rules.
Ah... Gravelord, was promoted from all the guys on chat at the time, that's what you do, you all huddle up on chat and get cozy and then be great friends and then you make them do what you want, I have been there longer, I know the rules, read them and it does not say "You can't insult or talk about other people on other sites".
Daniel, your outlook is incredibly skewed if you believe someone who has been somewhere longer automatically has more authority. A random 89… more year old man does not have more authority or power than Obama. And yeah, maybe I wasn't as mature before but I learned from my mistakes, something you ought to do a lot more often. Wikia rules evidently do apply here if you've been banned, and if you think you can blackmail or persuade axel to lift it, you are severely misguided. Also, I don't exactly appreciate someone slagging me off on somewhere I can't fight back, give me a fair fight and I'll take you on, but gossiping about me to another site is actually very immature and cowardly. Now why don't we just end this, It's evident both of us want to get the last word in, but it would be nice if you actually take on board what I'm saying and lighten up a little bit, accept your ban and move on. Afterall, if you hate TWD wiki that much, why should you care if you're banned?
There is nothing which compels them to do so. Length of the episodes is a valid point. However that also requires them to admit to the idea that reducing the length of the episodes was a bad choice when again that decision was incorrect is also opinion The quality of the episodes is pure opinion and not fact. Although I do personally think the season two episodes have been weaker than those of season one.
There is no guarantee it would seen by a larger number of people although yes exposure via social sites could potentially do so. However it would still be subject to the same problem your petition which is that people will not take part due to questioning it's effectiveness.
I meant that Telltale will see the petition and maybe make a big poll, on the website or twitter, asking about the length and quality of the game, then we'll have a bigger amount of people who see it and vote.
Just to say Daniel, you had an active account on the wiki about 3 months longer than me (I lurked as an anon for about a year before that but whatever) that really means nothing as you clearly have no idea what is going on. grave was made admin because he was the most logical choice, I didn't even know him that well at the time but it was clear he was the best candidate. Can you suggest someone that would have been better?
You clearly do not know the rules because as Sansee said and Axel will say. The admins have free reign over who they ban, as long as it doesn't brake terms of service. I seem to remember being nice to you, I never wronged you in any way, I even stood up for you in your argument with relic (the one you blew out of proportion) so I fail to see where this sudden distaste for me comes from. So I have a few questions for you...
1.) You said earlier on "next time don't hide the truth and just ban him". What truth was this that I hid? Unless you've forgotten it was I who caused Relic's ban by alerting Shell. Relic is my friend but I freely admit I worked against him and I would do it again to anyone else on the site, if they were breaking the rules.
2.) You later said " I simply stated it was CamtheWoot and he starts shit". What exactly did I start? I'll admit the arguments here (not between us, that's on you) can be traced to me but I have apologized and hopefully made up with all involved. So exactly what else did I start?
3.) You also said "I haven't broken any rules so far". That's a lie and you know it. You've been chat banned on the COD wiki and banned from the RDR wiki for being underage. That's why I don't appreciate being told to "man up" by someone who could only possibly be 14.
4.) You called Grave a "criminal admin" now, do you now what criminal means? Of course you do, anyone with a toaster for a brain knows a criminal is someone who has committed a crime. However the definition of a crime is an act which is punishable by the court of law. Now tell me, what illegal activities has good old Gravelord been up to? Accusing someone of being a criminal is serious, I hope you have some evidence to back it up.
5.) This is two in one really but they're equally as insulting and idiotic so I'll take them both at the same time. You said "you even admitted you have no friends" that's strange since my first few comments were going on about my friends and how you're insulting them... For someone so observant how did you not see that? Second point is you said I'm "using my condition to my advantage" in what way? Please explain how any part of it is an advantage? The only time I mentioned it was my remark about how it makes it difficult for me to go outside and speak to people, that doesn't sound like an advantage to me.
6.) You said multiple time that I should be banned. For what reason? Can you show me a rule I've broken, in fact can you show me a rule that Grave has broken?
7.) and last... Have you always been this much of a sad, strange, unlikable and all around malicious individual or is this a recent development? I mean, you were never pleasant when you were on chat, you wasted allot of my time, having to pick up the pieces after your little tantrums but you never went to this extent. I suppose getting chummy with Anarchy on another thread will do that to a person.
Ah... Gravelord, was promoted from all the guys on chat at the time, that's what you do, you all huddle up on chat and get cozy and then be … moregreat friends and then you make them do what you want, I have been there longer, I know the rules, read them and it does not say "You can't insult or talk about other people on other sites".
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I would also like to apologize again for, well the arguments here that were my fault. I wasn't in a fantastic shape yesterday and perhaps my reasoning was clouded by this. You must understand that due to my line of work I take things like this rather seriously and I have the utmost respect for game developers, that's probably what irritated me. (I'd been up for 30 hours when this argument took place, my memory of it is rather hazy).
Anyway, I apologize to anyone I offended. CodPatrol has been banned from The Walking Dead Wiki for good reason and I will probably not continue any further discussion on the topic, in fear of the dreaded thumbs down.
I for one do not care that much for hubs. Unless they make sense, and at this point in the story it just doesn't make much sense for Clementine to chill around and talk to people.
Length is a byproduct of added content.
It's hard to think of a better place for a hub than when a bunch of people are thrown in a prison together. It was a golden opportunity to get to know the group better, to understand their history with Carver better. That opportunity was squandered pretty badly.
Hubs are nothing more and nothing less than a place where you can enjoy a moment of freedom and give character development to all the random people around that the developers expect you to care about. Without such character development, their deaths mean very little. How many people do you think will mourn Sarita the way they mourned Carley or Doug, if she dies?
That said, I'm no better than others when it comes to helping people. Not that I have the capacity to do so, with the exception of being able to write about common issues. The only difference is I don't get worked up over games.
And don't get me started on talentless people becoming famous or having success. ;) I always get irritated when I see erotica and typo filled stories selling when I can't shift one copy of a story. Not really about other types of celebrities, because it doesn't affect me personally.
Edit: Just to clarify one thing quickly. I spoke about RPG Maker earlier. Has anyone tried it? Anyway, it's not easy making a game. Yet you have people everywhere spewing crap about the games, regardless of whether they've played them or not, instead of judging the games based on their own merit. It's just one example of what I mean about hate, complaining etc. A lot of it is just totally non-sensical.
By the way, is anyone giving Always Sometimes Monsters a try? Kind of relevant to the discussion here about homeless people and such, but something I'm very much interested in. Just waiting for the Humble Bundle store to unlock the game.
Maybe the fans just didn't get up and talk? Someone has to do it, might as well be us, you can't just be a wise guy and say "that's speculation" about all we're saying when we all know it's the truth.
The fans are talking about it as shown by the various topic on this forum and similar topics on related forums such as Steam. However that is just a tiny number of people who have played the current episodes and is not representative of the majority of the player base.
There is no guarantee it would seen by a larger number of people although yes exposure via social sites could potentially do so. However it would still be subject to the same problem your petition which is that people will not take part due to questioning it's effectiveness.
You clearly do not know the rules because as Sansee said and Axel will say. The admins have free reign over who they ban, as long as it doesn't brake terms of service. I seem to remember being nice to you, I never wronged you in any way, I even stood up for you in your argument with relic (the one you blew out of proportion) so I fail to see where this sudden distaste for me comes from. So I have a few questions for you...
1.) You said earlier on "next time don't hide the truth and just ban him". What truth was this that I hid? Unless you've forgotten it was I who caused Relic's ban by alerting Shell. Relic is my friend but I freely admit I worked against him and I would do it again to anyone else on the site, if they were breaking the rules.
2.) You later said " I simply stated it was CamtheWoot and he starts shit". What exactly did I start? I'll admit the arguments here (not between us, that's on you) can be traced to me but I have apologized and hopefully made up with all involved. So exactly what else did I start?
3.) You also said "I haven't broken any rules so far". That's a lie and you know it. You've been chat banned on the COD wiki and banned from the RDR wiki for being underage. That's why I don't appreciate being told to "man up" by someone who could only possibly be 14.
4.) You called Grave a "criminal admin" now, do you now what criminal means? Of course you do, anyone with a toaster for a brain knows a criminal is someone who has committed a crime. However the definition of a crime is an act which is punishable by the court of law. Now tell me, what illegal activities has good old Gravelord been up to? Accusing someone of being a criminal is serious, I hope you have some evidence to back it up.
5.) This is two in one really but they're equally as insulting and idiotic so I'll take them both at the same time. You said "you even admitted you have no friends" that's strange since my first few comments were going on about my friends and how you're insulting them... For someone so observant how did you not see that? Second point is you said I'm "using my condition to my advantage" in what way? Please explain how any part of it is an advantage? The only time I mentioned it was my remark about how it makes it difficult for me to go outside and speak to people, that doesn't sound like an advantage to me.
6.) You said multiple time that I should be banned. For what reason? Can you show me a rule I've broken, in fact can you show me a rule that Grave has broken?
7.) and last... Have you always been this much of a sad, strange, unlikable and all around malicious individual or is this a recent development? I mean, you were never pleasant when you were on chat, you wasted allot of my time, having to pick up the pieces after your little tantrums but you never went to this extent. I suppose getting chummy with Anarchy on another thread will do that to a person.