Confide Thread about Clem

edited May 2014 in The Walking Dead
These " people " believe that Ellie, Elizabeth, Lara Croft and Femshep are better than Clem ...

Ok , they are opinions , everyone sees it as he wishes ...

But if you then come and say that Clem sucks, that is not a good character, who does not deserve recognition , then then it makes you think that people really do not understand anything !

If you read the comments on that IGN Playing Dead Clem talks about how it might be "the best female character in the videogame " you put your hands in the hair of what they write : Ellie , Femshep , Elizabeth and Lara Croft are much better than Clem them .... How can you say that?

These characters are not as deep as Clem characters ... I'm just the facts " on purpose " , think about it : they are always "sexy" , strong, without any facet ... it is absurd to think that the real work of great writers that are applied to create something like Clem is not respected ...

In my opinion Clem is really "the best female character in the videogame " , but honestly it bothers me that they speak so Clem .

I may have exaggerated, but it seems right . What do you think ?
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  • I honestly don't understand how people say ellie is cooler than clem, she litteraly has nothing on clem lol
  • I wouldn't have added FemShep on the list, for her personality and actions, being a protagonist, are player-dependent.
  • Ellie isn't even a memorable character, there isn't much that is special about her besides the obvious. A comment on Facebook said "A badass teen girl vs a whiny squeaker, hmm tough one." That right there made me want to slit his throat. Clementine is definitely the best female character in gaming.
  • I honestly didn't like Ellie a ton. I mean, I cared about her since she was a kid, but she tried to be bad ass instead of naturally being bad ass, she's literally done nothing to earn the title of being a bad ass kid.
    Green613 posted: »

    I honestly don't understand how people say ellie is cooler than clem, she litteraly has nothing on clem lol

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    Lol the guy who said that is prob a playstation fanboy that doesn't even know what twd is and doesn't know it is 10X better than tlou (no hate on tlou tho)
    Rigtail posted: »

    Ellie isn't even a memorable character, there isn't much that is special about her besides the obvious. A comment on Facebook said "A badass

  • ^^^^^
    _Juice_Box_ posted: »

    I honestly didn't like Ellie a ton. I mean, I cared about her since she was a kid, but she tried to be bad ass instead of naturally being bad ass, she's literally done nothing to earn the title of being a bad ass kid.

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    Notice how all of the mentioned female characters are from somewhat modern games. hmmm, it's as if IGN is getting paid to advertise those games. Let's break this down shall we?!

    Femshep: Doesn't count, because you can choose genders. Why not add Villager from Animal crossing, the tactician from Fire Emblem, all Fallout and Elder Scrolls protagonists and... You know what, you get the point. Mass Effect is an RPG. You CREATE a character and make it as good you want it to be.

    Elizabeth: An invincible non-element that throws crap at you? How can you not love her.....? Also, how does she have better social skills than Booker when she was basically quarantined in a tower for her ENTIRE LIFE.

    Lara Croft: Badass, vulnerable, whatever. You're basically a mass murderer who really goes out of her to way to save her friends, like really, I think she kills a God or something. What the hell is up with this game. The transition from something to supposed survivor is incredibly jarring.

    Ellie: TLOU is a generic cross between Walking Dead and the movie Children of Men so it's not even worth bringing up.
    "Oh, she's a lesbian that makes her deep herp derp" Yeah, this certainly wasn't a publicity stunt by Naughty Dog or something to sell more copies.
  • edited May 2014
    First of all... how the fuck can anyone compare Clementine to Ellie? I liked TLOU but really? Not only does Clementine get more points because of how she's more realistic, but she's also just a better kid than Ellie. Then Lara Croft... I also liked Tomb Raider, but I had little to no attachment to Lara - or any of the characters really. Then FemShep... eh, she's ok I guess.
  • A whiny squeaker? The fuck? I will go Kenny on his ass.
    Rigtail posted: »

    Ellie isn't even a memorable character, there isn't much that is special about her besides the obvious. A comment on Facebook said "A badass

  • Ellie: shoots guns and curses like a sailor

    Elizabeth: dresses hot and can reshape the universe at her own will

    Lara Croft: dresses hot, dual wields pistols/smgs and shoots everything while doing super duper triple backflips

    The IGN audience is the call of duty audience, now you know why they like those characters more.
  • Clem: can give surprise hugs, automatically destroys everyone

    Ellie: shoots guns and curses like a sailor Elizabeth: dresses hot and can reshape the universe at her own will Lara Croft: dress

  • I just can't figure out why Femshep is always brought up here. She seems to have taken some kind of symbolic status but both Shepards, male and female, are hardly characters at all. They're just completely generic RPG heroes surrounded by a plethora of other characters that are actually interesting.

    I am yet to see someone say they play Mass Effect because Shepard is such an 'interesting, complex' character. Especially when he/she is constantly being overshadowed by the rest of ME's cast that is actually interesting.

    Sorry. Ranting.
  • I think Clementine is not only the best female character in gaming OR the best kid character in gaming, but perhaps the best character of all time.

    I like Ellie and Elizabeth but when it comes to character depth, Clementine wins...no question about it.
  • The way to win this argument is to tell them they just don't like Clem because they're racists.
  • The DLC of TLOU just ruined the game for me. I'm not homophobic whatsoever, but they were clearly using sexuality to gather attention to the DLC. Also, the DLC fucking sucked. Yes, I enjoy story, but what I don't enjoy is wasting time by playing fake games in an arcade, or taking pictures in a photo booth and then have the characters say "What's a facebook, maybe it prints our faces in a book", because har fucking har.
    Baldex posted: »

    Notice how all of the mentioned female characters are from somewhat modern games. hmmm, it's as if IGN is getting paid to advertise those ga

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    The worst part is that we all KNEW the story before they released the DLC. Why decide to flesh this out when there's so much more potential (for DLC) that didn't have much focus in the main game? Ellie already told us the whole story, including how it ends so what's the point?? Sure, the lesbian-part is new, but again it feels like a publicity stunt.
    _Juice_Box_ posted: »

    The DLC of TLOU just ruined the game for me. I'm not homophobic whatsoever, but they were clearly using sexuality to gather attention to the

  • Couldn't agree more.
    Baldex posted: »

    The worst part is that we all KNEW the story before they released the DLC. Why decide to flesh this out when there's so much more potential

  • Lara Croft's appeal ran out well over a decade ago. Even with several reboots, she'll never transcend the gimmick of being a token hot chick who's designed simply to have her derriere in the focus of the gamer while running around and being processed through all kinds of mangled terror. She was more or less like a glorified slasher flick queen in the last game. Next.

    Aside from her, I'd say Clementine can be judged as an equal to the fellow female titans in video games. Ellie has a natural modernism and FemShep, thanks to Jennifer Hale's stellar talents, pretty much feels like the real Commander Shepard, but what gives Clementine the edge is her youth. No other child character has incurred the cultural impact she has in the medium of video games. You also have to take into account that the first season of The Walking Dead was such an unprecedented success, a colossal achievement that couldn't have been predicted, and look at everything its set in motion for the graphic adventure genre. I'm not solely placing all this on the shoulders of Clementine, but the fact her character went over with millions of people certainly has to be a contributing factor.

    Ultimately, it's what Clementine inspires the gamer to feel that makes her a wonderful creation.
  • edited May 2014
    Basically fuck everyone who says that Clementine doesn't deserve that name. She's the best kid in the entire fucking ZA. Fuck Ellie and fuck Lara Croft. I liked both the games they come from, but people using the two of them to complain about Clementine makes me dislike the characters they are, even though I never really had a connection to either one of them. You can call me harsh, but fans of those other games won't get it through their thick skulls.

    Clem wins, bitches.

    *EDIT*

    To explain... I don't dislike Ellie or Lara, but neither of them deserve this award of being the best female character.
  • Well to be fair, it IS possible to compare both games. They both have similar stories, themes, and character relationships. I always have trouble whether or not I like Lee or Joel better, but Clementine beats Ellie by a long shot.

    I really liked the concept behind Ellie's creation (a kid being born into the apocalypse). Come on let's face it, we never seen this before. And Ellie was pretty cool. She's brave, tough, smart, quirky, resourceful, and she can be funny. Honestly, she can get a bit annoying at times. Like when after Joel kills the runners in the gym, she says, "I fucking hate those things!" or when there in the sewers and you hear her shout, "Fucking thing." I know this isn't really a big deal for Ellie's character but whenever she feels the need to speak out loud how much she hates the infected, it's funny at first but it gets old fast.

    My other problem with Ellie is that unlike Clementine, and even Joel, she doesn't really have a character arc going on. Joel feels if he gets too attached to her, it will be just like Sarah all over again. But he decides at the last minute that he owes Ellie a proper and reliable escort to the Fireflies after she tells him she feels safer with him. So in turn, Joel feels closer to Ellie and he overcomes his own inner conflict with getting too attached to her.

    Ellie didn't really have that. Sure, she felt upset when she realized that Joel only saw as a FedEx package he had to deliver to the Fireflies, but that's resolved in like 10 minutes, making the scene almost pointless if Joel had just taken Ellie to the Fireflies himself after seeing Tommy. It's like her only goal was just stay alive.

    I will admit that she really came through in the Winter chapter when she was taking care of Joel, but again, the goal was to stay alive. Nothing else. Not a BIG problem, but an arc is something that a character with this kind of concept should have to make him/her as memorable as they could've been.

    This is where Clementine shines. She's a lot like Ellie in way that makes her likeable, but unlike her, I've never got annoyed with her...at all. She's funny, she can get scared, she asks difficult questions, she plays pranks with Duck, she takes matters into her own hands. Guess what? THOSE ARE KIDS. I've been waiting so long for a company other than Disney to do kid characters justice, and Telltale fucking nailed with Clementine.

    She has her own goal of getting to her parents, but they conflicted with Lee keeping her safe. Then she decides to take matters to her own hands and leave him for a man who claims to have found them. As much as I hate Clementine for doing this, it really suited her character and it really made the story so memorable and so original. She then overcomes her own conflict when she realizes that she made a mistake when she went on her own and when she finds out that Lee got bit trying to save her.

    The fact that The Walking Dead is a heavy character-driven story, it gives many characters a chance to shine and really leave quite the impression on you. Clementine is certainly NO exception, and Season Two is just making her a greater character. Ellie had a second chance in Left Behind, but it just didn't work out that well.
    _Juice_Box_ posted: »

    First of all... how the fuck can anyone compare Clementine to Ellie? I liked TLOU but really? Not only does Clementine get more points becau

  • edited May 2014
    I've been an observer on these forums for quite a while now, but what I've seen in this thread from posters whom I've come to respect galvanized me into registering.

    Clementine is assuredly one of the best if not the best female characters in video games, but the fact that you believe this doesn't mean you have to bag on other people's opinions, degrading amazing, badass characters like Ellie and Elizabeth and trash talking their fanbases- that makes you no better than the people you profess to hate. Elizabeth is far more than a pretty face, as anyone who has played Infinite or Burial at Sea would know, and Ellie is one of the most realistic characters that I've ever seen; her story, particularly in Left Behind, resonates in a way that rocked me emotionally to the core- how dare some of you call the DLC a "publicity stunt" based on her feelings for Riley.

    You make me sick, and you make me disappointed in this fanbase. I thought we were above arbitrarily degrading and grouping people (IGN readers are all COD junkie idiots, everyone who liked TLOU is a stupid Playstation fanboy), and making BS claims like "TWD is 10X better than TLOU". I thought we were better than this, that we were above this kind of bigotry and ignorance, but apparently, some of us aren't.
  • Some people like both, you know. Just sayin'.

    But I just prefer The Walking Dead over The Last of Us/Bioshock, it's just my personal preference.

    I've been an observer on these forums for quite a while now, but what I've seen in this thread from posters whom I've come to respect galvan

  • I totally get that, I just can't stand the people who degrade everything but what they like. They're the ones I was talking to.

    Some people like both, you know. Just sayin'. But I just prefer The Walking Dead over The Last of Us/Bioshock, it's just my personal preference.

  • I agree. If i'm honest though, I like Joel much much more than Ellie. If Ellie were to have to put Joel out his misery due to him being infected and then them continuing the story with Ellie alone, it wouldn't be very good, even though in TWDG it worked very well. My main complaint with the DLC is that it's all about Ellie, and the only reason the first game was any good was because of Joel gaining basically a new daughter. I never liked Ellie just because she was Ellie, it was only for the full reason that Joel was having her basically be a daughter to him, which was heart warming.

    Well to be fair, it IS possible to compare both games. They both have similar stories, themes, and character relationships. I always have tr

  • Look, TLOU wasn't a bad game at all, I actually quite loved it and none of the characters from the games mentioned were that bad. But with the shit i've seen where fans of TLOU are degrading TWDG and saying that TLOU is hands down better and they claim that Ellie is bad ass and just basically try to shame TWDG... this made me dislike TLOU. I know it should be about the game, but fanbases have an effect on the franchise for me as well.

    TWDG isn't flawless.
    TLOU isn't flawless.
    Tomb Raider isn't flawless.
    But it's ok to have preferences, even if sometimes my preferences seem like 'forced opinions', but believe me, that's not my intention.

    I've been an observer on these forums for quite a while now, but what I've seen in this thread from posters whom I've come to respect galvan

  • I respect the fact that those people make you mad, but turning around and saying "fuck Ellie, her fans are thick-skulled morons" doesn't solve anything, it just pisses even more people off.
    _Juice_Box_ posted: »

    Look, TLOU wasn't a bad game at all, I actually quite loved it and none of the characters from the games mentioned were that bad. But with t

  • I wouldn't exactly call it a publicity stunt there, bud. I'm not trying to star an argument here, but this needs to be said. In a world where Ellie doesn't know any other person her own age other than her female friend Riley, she's bound to grow VERY attached to her. She probably has never even met a boy around the same age as her, and this would cause someone like Ellie to grow feelings towards the only other kid she knows, regardless of gender. Notice that when they kissed, Riley didn't resist. And by the way, the DLC was phenomenal.
    Baldex posted: »

    The worst part is that we all KNEW the story before they released the DLC. Why decide to flesh this out when there's so much more potential

  • >I really liked the concept behind Ellie's creation (a kid being born into the apocalypse). Come on let's face it, we never seen this before. And Ellie was pretty cool

    Jesus, are you fucking kidding me.

    Well to be fair, it IS possible to compare both games. They both have similar stories, themes, and character relationships. I always have tr

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    The real issue with Clementine she is not so popular yet. She still very young for "TOP female characters" but wait some time until Telltale bring out her real potential(hopefully).
  • Is there a problem?
    Baldex posted: »

    >I really liked the concept behind Ellie's creation (a kid being born into the apocalypse). Come on let's face it, we never seen this before. And Ellie was pretty cool Jesus, are you fucking kidding me.

  • edited May 2014
    ''The Best Female Character Throne'' belongs to Clementine!
  • We HAVE seen this before. It's not new. It's Children of Men and Walking Dead all over again.

    Is there a problem?

  • Okay, maybe I should have been clear. A kid born into the apocalypse that survives long enough to grow into a teenager.

    There. Happy? There was no need for what you said.
    Baldex posted: »

    We HAVE seen this before. It's not new. It's Children of Men and Walking Dead all over again.

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    I'm sorry, but it's still not that special considering she's the overdone, immune, needs-a-guardian, character.

    Okay, maybe I should have been clear. A kid born into the apocalypse that survives long enough to grow into a teenager. There. Happy? There was no need for what you said.

  • Well I really haven't seen any other character like Ellie so maybe I shouldn't have generalized.
    Baldex posted: »

    I'm sorry, but it's still not that special considering she's the overdone, immune, needs-a-guardian, character.

  • Fair point. I really should have elaborated on that though... I don't hate Ellie, really, but it's more of a 'Fuck off guys, Ellie shouldn't win this award'.

    I respect the fact that those people make you mad, but turning around and saying "fuck Ellie, her fans are thick-skulled morons" doesn't solve anything, it just pisses even more people off.

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    The fact that this was added long after the game's release makes it nothing BUT a publicity stunt. It adds nothing to the story or the characters. So she's a lesbian. Who cares? Ellie has told us this. We know the story, we know the ending. The fact that Naughty Dog, one of the the most overrated game developers ever, decided to waste their time with this supposed "twist" only makes me think that it was solely made to draw attention to them and sell more copies.

    I wouldn't exactly call it a publicity stunt there, bud. I'm not trying to star an argument here, but this needs to be said. In a world wher

  • Lara Croft popularity for me was in the early 1990s-2000s. Her Yabbos were the size of grapefruits. Now they made her more "el Natural." I don't approve of this change.

    Femshep- i don't like Jennifer hale. She is in everything, Every time i would play a game i would keep thinking of METAL GEAR!

    Ellie was pretty boring to be honest. I felt the Sarah (joel's daughter) character was a better voice actress than Ellie, there was just more depth in her voice. The whole game was pretty much you babysitting her, it felt like Resident evil 4 babysitting whatever her name was.

    Elizabeth- I hated this character with a passion. I couldn't take the Disney persona for five minutes. It made me sick to my stomach how sweet she was, it was like i was in a casting for Beauty and the Beast. When she starts dancing, i was like yeah i 'm done. Bioshock 3 sucks.

    Clementine! Everybody likes Clementine, other than them recycling the sounds from the game. In my opinion it is far superior to most games out there today. Well until Watchdogs comes out, but that is a totally different beast.
  • A lot of people turn down TWDG because it apparently looks like a 'cartoon'. But as more and more people get into the game, it should grow a bit which will make Clementine pretty highly nominated.

    On this one however ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVFBh3Gj3iI ) Clem's second on the list of most bad ass female characters -beat by Ellie, which I can't really understand, though I do like Ellie-... so there's some credibility there, but it's not a very well known countdown, which is a bit saddening, but hopefully it'll get there...
    Mudora posted: »

    The real issue with Clementine she is not so popular yet. She still very young for "TOP female characters" but wait some time until Telltale bring out her real potential(hopefully).

  • Well, Clementine is a believable character above all else. She has defining strengths and weaknesses, things that us ordinary humans have as well. Which already helps us to relate to her.

    FemShepard is an unstoppable badass philosopher of sort, which is cool in its own way, but not something I particularly relate to.

    Ellie was a character crafted after (besides Ellen Page) Clementine. I think shes awesome because of it (although a bit too wise cracking at times.)

    Lara Croft is really just a video game "sex icon." This new Tomb Raider had abysmal character development, nothing like Clementine's though.

    And I have never been into Bioshock games, so I'm not sure about Elizabeth.
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