He is a good guy, he cares a lot about Clem anyone can see that. When they bought back Kenny though I had to choose which one to like more (… morefor Clem's choices). I found it hard to pick but I went with Kenny just because ....well its Kenny. I made the choice for Kenny to look after Clem when Lee died and I stuck by that choice when Kenny came back.
I felt no anger towards him. (I am just going to copy what I wrote in another thread about that)
I never understood why people use the whole 'leave Kenny behind' thing against Luke. He was the one suggesting that everyone should rest and that they should wait longer.
'That does not mean that she can't do it any other time/night' - Luke about Bonnie, helping them escape.
That clearly shows that Luke would have waited a few more days. He would have taken the risk that Carver would hurt him/anyone again over the option to leave someone behind.
Luke is not the leader though, that is why he needed to consider all the other options and opinions. Rebecca wanted to leave right away and if the group would have decided for that, well, they would have needed to leave Kenny behind. He was just telling the group what the consequences would be.
His way would have been to let everyone heal up, himself included.
Let me ask you, after Luke suggested leaving a badly injured Kenny behind, how did you feel towards him afterward?
I myself, as Clement… moreine, angrily refused.
And after he said that, it did shake my trust in him.
I couldn't help but wonder what if it were me, would he leave me behind as well?
Admittedly, it is an understandable way to feel, especially after he makes a comment like that concerning a friend of mine.
Though that doesn't mean I don't think he has some good points.
After all he did follow the group back to Carver's camp, and he did object to killing Carver on moral grounds.
But I still just couldn't help but wonder, what if it were me, in Kenny's predicament?
I like him. For some reason I'm the opposite of most; it was this recent episode that made me realize how much I liked him. He was just kind of there before but now I really appreciate him. I think he's a nice guy that did something wrong in his past. This idea of him secretly being evil just doesn't fly with me, especially since I hate twists that make characters do complete 180s and reveal their "true selves". I think it's lazy writing.
I'm just mad that they're making his thought over and calculated plans fall through so much and glorifying Kenny's balls to the wall impulsiveness. The latter should have major consequences and the former should succeed at some point. I feel like the Walking Dead is in serious need of a thinker that makes careful plans. We've been lacking that for the last two seasons thus far and just running headfirst into problems. And, well, we all know how that works out.
I think people like Luke for the possibilities his character brings to the table. Plus, it's just NICE to see a nice guy character who is actually important and might play an important role until the end and not just die on you. The nice characters are usually blown away at some point and not given important roles because they aren't "exciting" enough.
Luke is the most overrated character in the Walking dead.
What has he done?Nothing heroic . Nothing significant .
His biggest moment is getting caught while trying to steal some hunnybuns.
Yet, there is 15 new Luke threads everyday SMH
I love Kenny. He's one of my favorite characters behind Lee and Clementine, but if roles were reversed, Kenny would have no problem leaving … moreLuke behind while Luke only suggested to leave Kenny behind not because he actually wanted to abandon him, but quite the contrary. He used having to leave Kenny behind if they go tonight as an argument that they should wait, rest up, and recover instead of going that night. Hence the word 'Devil's advocate'.
Luke has taken a real liking to Clementine in a loving brother and sister relationship no matter what dialogue/actions you choose. Sure he may have dropped Clem when they first met out of fear from the bite on her arm, but he and Pete also risked their butts to save her in the first place.
Luke acts like a leader and a good person at the same time. He's constantly unsure of himself when he's hashing out a plan or giving his opinion if you let him continue to talk during his conversations with him. Now before you judge him based on that just think that nobody is perfect in this game and they are all capable of making mistakes, even Kenny and that's what makes this game so great.
The whole thing with leaving Kenny behind was that he suggested first to stay and let everyone heal up and the group spoke up and said no, so he suggested an alternative and told them the consequences. With the shooting Carver situation, Luke did not want to shoot him and become like him and it's also possible that Luke may have never killed an actual person before.
I agree, it's important to use your God-given sense of reason.
Reacting impulsively is never a good thing, as it will often land you in trouble.
Something that happened a few days ago, where I reacted impulsively, reinforced that reality.
I'd say, next to Chuck, Carly, Clementine and Omid, that Lee was the only level-headed person in the group.
As Lee, I myself always tried to keep a calm demeanor about me, and discouraged the others from panicking or rash actions.
When someone had a legitimate concern, I acknowledged it and tried to help find a reasonable solution.
I like him. For some reason I'm the opposite of most; it was this recent episode that made me realize how much I liked him. He was just kind… more of there before but now I really appreciate him. I think he's a nice guy that did something wrong in his past. This idea of him secretly being evil just doesn't fly with me, especially since I hate twists that make characters do complete 180s and reveal their "true selves". I think it's lazy writing.
I'm just mad that they're making his thought over and calculated plans fall through so much and glorifying Kenny's balls to the wall impulsiveness. The latter should have major consequences and the former should succeed at some point. I feel like the Walking Dead is in serious need of a thinker that makes careful plans. We've been lacking that for the last two seasons thus far and just running headfirst into problems. And, well, we all know how that works out.
I agree Luke has a genuine, wholesome affection for Clementine, despite what some users may have suggested on previous forums.
And I will agree, I don't think Luke has ever taken a human life before.
His argument against killing Carver, though honorable, ignored the fact that Carver was to dangerous to be left alive.
As if he was, Carver would've just come after the group again.
Both Kenny and Luke are good, yet flawed men, with different viewpoints.
No doubt their age difference, probably a 20 year difference, is a big contributing factor.
Luke is still young, and in some ways idealistic.
Where as Kenny is older and has seen more of how brutal life can be.
I see them as having a Spock/McCoy kinda relationship.
And yet in spite of their differences, I see the two having put them aside, in order to protect Clementine and the rest of the group.
Luke has taken a real liking to Clementine in a loving brother and sister relationship no matter what dialogue/actions you choose. Sure he m… moreay have dropped Clem when they first met out of fear from the bite on her arm, but he and Pete also risked their butts to save her in the first place.
Luke acts like a leader and a good person at the same time. He's constantly unsure of himself when he's hashing out a plan or giving his opinion if you let him continue to talk during his conversations with him. Now before you judge him based on that just think that nobody is perfect in this game and they are all capable of making mistakes, even Kenny and that's what makes this game so great.
The whole thing with leaving Kenny behind was that he suggested first to stay and let everyone heal up and the group spoke up and said no, so he suggested an alternative and told them the consequences. With the shooting Carver situation, Luke did not want to s… [view original content]
I don't know.
Rick on the tv show, is a good and inspite of all that's happened, is still a nice guy.
And what about Glenn, aka "Asian boy," according to Daryl in season 1?
Look how long they've lasted!
I think people like Luke for the possibilities his character brings to the table. Plus, it's just NICE to see a nice guy character who is ac… moretually important and might play an important role until the end and not just die on you. The nice characters are usually blown away at some point and not given important roles because they aren't "exciting" enough.
Love Luke to bits, it's just his plans. Ain't that much bullet proof, then again, neither is Kenny's. Either way, he's an amazing character. Hope he stays alive.
I like the guy. He dropped Clementine, sure, but he made up for it by simply *caring* later on. I think he is a little too idealistic for his own good, and that he has flaws, like anyone else, but I like him.
Good post.
I agree that Luke is a kind and caring person.
He's been good to Clementine.
Though in some respects, I admit I do sometimes question his reliability in other areas.
If I were to describe the relationships that both Luke and Kenny have with her, here's how it would be.
Luke has acted in many respects like an older brother to her.
He shows a loving concern for her, while showing confidence in Clementine by entrusting her with certain tasks.
The fact that he sat down and listen to her life story, after having only known her a few hours, is a real testament to his character.
Kenny, obviously has more of a fatherly relationship with her.
The way he worries about her safety, or if whether or not she's been harmed, reminds me of the feelings a father would have toward their child.
And with his own family dead, Clementine is the closest thing he has left to a family.
And the fact that Kenny feels that way towards Clementine, as if she's his own daughter, is actually rather heartwarming.
While showing confidence in her by entrusting her with certain tasks, he is the first to step up and protect from either potential or imminent harm.
I like the guy. He dropped Clementine, sure, but he made up for it by simply *caring* later on. I think he is a little too idealistic for his own good, and that he has flaws, like anyone else, but I like him.
No, he did not want to leave Kenny behind. A lot of people misinterpret what he was trying to say. Everyone wanted to leave as soon as possible and Luke was basically saying, "Okay, we can leave but then you guys have to remember that Kenny is in no condition to follow us. You would all have to leave him behind."
So, he was basically rooting for waiting so Kenny could recover enough to rejoin the group.
Let me ask you, after Luke suggested leaving a badly injured Kenny behind, how did you feel towards him afterward?
I myself, as Clement… moreine, angrily refused.
And after he said that, it did shake my trust in him.
I couldn't help but wonder what if it were me, would he leave me behind as well?
Admittedly, it is an understandable way to feel, especially after he makes a comment like that concerning a friend of mine.
Though that doesn't mean I don't think he has some good points.
After all he did follow the group back to Carver's camp, and he did object to killing Carver on moral grounds.
But I still just couldn't help but wonder, what if it were me, in Kenny's predicament?
Yeah.
I realized that in my 2nd playthrough.
And when I did I was like: "Shit, maybe he isn't so bad after all."
I'll admit when he disappeared in episode 2, I didn't have a lot of confidence in him.
But when he reappeared, I was like: "Jesus, where the hell were you?"
I''ll admit, if Luke had taken the beating Kenny did, I think he'd would've been out for days.
Luke doesn't strike me as being a very tough guy, from what I've seen.
But then Kenny has had, I would say 45 years, to get to where he's at.
I know that when I was around Luke's age, I wasn't very tough.
I've found that that physical and mental toughness, like what Kenny has, comes with age and time.
My uncle proved that to me.
I remember, he was 56, when he got diagnosed with Lymphoma, a courtesy of the Agent Orange that was used in Vietnam.
Lymphoma is a very painful type of cancer, I'd advise reading about it
Anyway, even though he was very sick, he was still out taking care of his 65 acre spread.
If you're looking to gain that kinda toughness, there are two things I'd recommend.
1, Working out.
Exercising will help make your body more resilient to damage, and if you are hurt, you'll heal better.
Before you exercise, be sure to stretch thoroughly both before and after.
2, Hard work.
Give you an example, I've worked on a farm, and I've done land scaping.
Both jobs are hard, as they require a lot of physical work.
When I was doing them I noticed that I was not only building physical endurance, but I was also building a mental toughness.
Cause here were jobs that needed to get done, no matter what.
Exercise, and Hard work, are the best way to build both physical and mental toughness.
I know that from experience.
No, he did not want to leave Kenny behind. A lot of people misinterpret what he was trying to say. Everyone wanted to leave as soon as possi… moreble and Luke was basically saying, "Okay, we can leave but then you guys have to remember that Kenny is in no condition to follow us. You would all have to leave him behind."
So, he was basically rooting for waiting so Kenny could recover enough to rejoin the group.
Yeah, as much as the writers seem to building up the idea that we'll have to choose between Kenny and Luke as leaders - Luke still respects that Kenny is apart of their group (for now, at least, since they might split up) and that nobody should just be left behind. And ah, I'm surprised that even Kenny managed to get through it. He didn't look too good for a while there, but that's understandable considering he just lost use of an eye. I don't think anybody would have gotten through that beating without a big consequence.
Luke appears pretty fit to me. He's no bodybuilder or anything but he can fight. He's also pretty strong emotionally-wise if you take into consideration that he's among the most level-headed in the group. He doesn't just jump to rash conclusions and always proceeds every situation with caution. Kenny's badass but I don't think Carver intended for him to live through it. He only stopped because Bonnie interrupted. But good thing, eh?
I've never heard of Lymphoma but it definitely sounds like something worth looking into! Good for him! My grandmother is in her late eighties but she's still going pretty strong. She takes walks and remains very independent to this day despite her old age.
Yeah.
I realized that in my 2nd playthrough.
And when I did I was like: "Shit, maybe he isn't so bad after all."
I'll admit when he disap… morepeared in episode 2, I didn't have a lot of confidence in him.
But when he reappeared, I was like: "Jesus, where the hell were you?"
I''ll admit, if Luke had taken the beating Kenny did, I think he'd would've been out for days.
Luke doesn't strike me as being a very tough guy, from what I've seen.
But then Kenny has had, I would say 45 years, to get to where he's at.
I know that when I was around Luke's age, I wasn't very tough.
I've found that that physical and mental toughness, like what Kenny has, comes with age and time.
My uncle proved that to me.
I remember, he was 56, when he got diagnosed with Lymphoma, a courtesy of the Agent Orange that was used in Vietnam.
Lymphoma is a very painful type of cancer, I'd advise reading about it
Anyway, even though he was very sick, he was still ou… [view original content]
I like Luke, he seems like a good leader but at the same time I don't know if I can trust him, his actions throughout the entire season thus far is questionable yet also it's cleverly backed up by legitimate reasons so I can't find a valid actual reason as to why I shouldn't trust him. I'm still going with my gut feeling, and I'm starting to consider choosing Kenny over Luke.
But we'll just have to see. As Kenny hasn't exactly been a good leader with perhaps the only noble thing is taking the blame for the walkie-talkie. But he is dangerous as he's already caused the death of at least two people whilst almost getting himself, Mike and Clementine killed.
Love Luke to bits, it's just his plans. Ain't that much bullet proof, then again, neither is Kenny's. Either way, he's an amazing character. Hope he stays alive.
Luke is, fundamentally, a good guy. Yeah, I trust him. I feel like if my ass was in danger he'd come down to rescue me, regardless of how I've treated him. He recognises I'm a kid, yet he recognises I can do shit if I have to. He was most definitely the first to warm up to me. He recognises I, being 11 in the apocalypse, and all alone, must have a story. And he sat down to hear me out. He let Clem finally sit there and talk. Talk about Lee, without getting sad looks and hurt faces, because he never knew him. I feel like after that, Clem was finally able to move on.
Yeah, he hecks up, but don't we all? I know he has my back if we need him.
Well here's the real kicker, when my uncle was diagnosed, the doctors only gave him 2 months to live, when he refused to take chemotherapy.
And after seeing how chemotherapy ravages the body, I don't blame him!
Anyway, we got him on some natural things, that were good at fighting cancer, and it's now been 8 years.
He's got an amazing quality of life, and is going strong.
So much for the doctor's diagnosis!
Yeah, as much as the writers seem to building up the idea that we'll have to choose between Kenny and Luke as leaders - Luke still respects … morethat Kenny is apart of their group (for now, at least, since they might split up) and that nobody should just be left behind. And ah, I'm surprised that even Kenny managed to get through it. He didn't look too good for a while there, but that's understandable considering he just lost use of an eye. I don't think anybody would have gotten through that beating without a big consequence.
Luke appears pretty fit to me. He's no bodybuilder or anything but he can fight. He's also pretty strong emotionally-wise if you take into consideration that he's among the most level-headed in the group. He doesn't just jump to rash conclusions and always proceeds every situation with caution. Kenny's badass but I don't think Carver intended for him to live through it. He only stopped because Bonnie interrupted. But good… [view original content]
Luke is smart and planning. And he doesn't lack in the effort or heart department either. His one weakpoint though, is that his plans usually revolve around the assumption that he's superman. Only for him to later find out that he's just human.
Hell, he doesn't just expect to have natural superman powers. He really tries and tries extra hard to reach superhuman levels. As if he can through the force of his will and efforts be able to grow wings and fly into rescuing his friends.
What's worse, is that when he falls down to earth, he falls down HARD like, really really hard. The post-capture Luke was very very pessimistic and sad. He wasn't stupid, he did have a point about waiting if Kenny wasn't ok. But he was still very very sad until everyone cheered up which in turn got him cheered up.
Luke got the brains and the heart and the loyalty. The only thing he's missing is constant awareness of his human limitations.
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I never understood why people use the whole 'leave Kenny behind' thing against Luke. He was the one suggesting that everyone should rest and that they should wait longer.
'That does not mean that she can't do it any other time/night' - Luke about Bonnie, helping them escape.
That clearly shows that Luke would have waited a few more days. He would have taken the risk that Carver would hurt him/anyone again over the option to leave someone behind.
Luke is not the leader though, that is why he needed to consider all the other options and opinions. Rebecca wanted to leave right away and if the group would have decided for that, well, they would have needed to leave Kenny behind. He was just telling the group what the consequences would be.
His way would have been to let everyone heal up, himself included.
I'm just mad that they're making his thought over and calculated plans fall through so much and glorifying Kenny's balls to the wall impulsiveness. The latter should have major consequences and the former should succeed at some point. I feel like the Walking Dead is in serious need of a thinker that makes careful plans. We've been lacking that for the last two seasons thus far and just running headfirst into problems. And, well, we all know how that works out.
Luke acts like a leader and a good person at the same time. He's constantly unsure of himself when he's hashing out a plan or giving his opinion if you let him continue to talk during his conversations with him. Now before you judge him based on that just think that nobody is perfect in this game and they are all capable of making mistakes, even Kenny and that's what makes this game so great.
The whole thing with leaving Kenny behind was that he suggested first to stay and let everyone heal up and the group spoke up and said no, so he suggested an alternative and told them the consequences. With the shooting Carver situation, Luke did not want to shoot him and become like him and it's also possible that Luke may have never killed an actual person before.
Reacting impulsively is never a good thing, as it will often land you in trouble.
Something that happened a few days ago, where I reacted impulsively, reinforced that reality.
I'd say, next to Chuck, Carly, Clementine and Omid, that Lee was the only level-headed person in the group.
As Lee, I myself always tried to keep a calm demeanor about me, and discouraged the others from panicking or rash actions.
When someone had a legitimate concern, I acknowledged it and tried to help find a reasonable solution.
And I will agree, I don't think Luke has ever taken a human life before.
His argument against killing Carver, though honorable, ignored the fact that Carver was to dangerous to be left alive.
As if he was, Carver would've just come after the group again.
Both Kenny and Luke are good, yet flawed men, with different viewpoints.
No doubt their age difference, probably a 20 year difference, is a big contributing factor.
Luke is still young, and in some ways idealistic.
Where as Kenny is older and has seen more of how brutal life can be.
I see them as having a Spock/McCoy kinda relationship.
And yet in spite of their differences, I see the two having put them aside, in order to protect Clementine and the rest of the group.
Rick on the tv show, is a good and inspite of all that's happened, is still a nice guy.
And what about Glenn, aka "Asian boy," according to Daryl in season 1?
Look how long they've lasted!
I agree that Luke is a kind and caring person.
He's been good to Clementine.
Though in some respects, I admit I do sometimes question his reliability in other areas.
If I were to describe the relationships that both Luke and Kenny have with her, here's how it would be.
Luke has acted in many respects like an older brother to her.
He shows a loving concern for her, while showing confidence in Clementine by entrusting her with certain tasks.
The fact that he sat down and listen to her life story, after having only known her a few hours, is a real testament to his character.
Kenny, obviously has more of a fatherly relationship with her.
The way he worries about her safety, or if whether or not she's been harmed, reminds me of the feelings a father would have toward their child.
And with his own family dead, Clementine is the closest thing he has left to a family.
And the fact that Kenny feels that way towards Clementine, as if she's his own daughter, is actually rather heartwarming.
While showing confidence in her by entrusting her with certain tasks, he is the first to step up and protect from either potential or imminent harm.
No, he did not want to leave Kenny behind. A lot of people misinterpret what he was trying to say. Everyone wanted to leave as soon as possible and Luke was basically saying, "Okay, we can leave but then you guys have to remember that Kenny is in no condition to follow us. You would all have to leave him behind."
So, he was basically rooting for waiting so Kenny could recover enough to rejoin the group.
I'd hang out with him.
Yeah.
I realized that in my 2nd playthrough.
And when I did I was like: "Shit, maybe he isn't so bad after all."
I'll admit when he disappeared in episode 2, I didn't have a lot of confidence in him.
But when he reappeared, I was like: "Jesus, where the hell were you?"
I''ll admit, if Luke had taken the beating Kenny did, I think he'd would've been out for days.
Luke doesn't strike me as being a very tough guy, from what I've seen.
But then Kenny has had, I would say 45 years, to get to where he's at.
I know that when I was around Luke's age, I wasn't very tough.
I've found that that physical and mental toughness, like what Kenny has, comes with age and time.
My uncle proved that to me.
I remember, he was 56, when he got diagnosed with Lymphoma, a courtesy of the Agent Orange that was used in Vietnam.
Lymphoma is a very painful type of cancer, I'd advise reading about it
Anyway, even though he was very sick, he was still out taking care of his 65 acre spread.
If you're looking to gain that kinda toughness, there are two things I'd recommend.
1, Working out.
Exercising will help make your body more resilient to damage, and if you are hurt, you'll heal better.
Before you exercise, be sure to stretch thoroughly both before and after.
2, Hard work.
Give you an example, I've worked on a farm, and I've done land scaping.
Both jobs are hard, as they require a lot of physical work.
When I was doing them I noticed that I was not only building physical endurance, but I was also building a mental toughness.
Cause here were jobs that needed to get done, no matter what.
Exercise, and Hard work, are the best way to build both physical and mental toughness.
I know that from experience.
Yeah, as much as the writers seem to building up the idea that we'll have to choose between Kenny and Luke as leaders - Luke still respects that Kenny is apart of their group (for now, at least, since they might split up) and that nobody should just be left behind. And ah, I'm surprised that even Kenny managed to get through it. He didn't look too good for a while there, but that's understandable considering he just lost use of an eye. I don't think anybody would have gotten through that beating without a big consequence.
Luke appears pretty fit to me. He's no bodybuilder or anything but he can fight. He's also pretty strong emotionally-wise if you take into consideration that he's among the most level-headed in the group. He doesn't just jump to rash conclusions and always proceeds every situation with caution. Kenny's badass but I don't think Carver intended for him to live through it. He only stopped because Bonnie interrupted. But good thing, eh?
I've never heard of Lymphoma but it definitely sounds like something worth looking into! Good for him! My grandmother is in her late eighties but she's still going pretty strong. She takes walks and remains very independent to this day despite her old age.
I like Luke, he seems like a good leader but at the same time I don't know if I can trust him, his actions throughout the entire season thus far is questionable yet also it's cleverly backed up by legitimate reasons so I can't find a valid actual reason as to why I shouldn't trust him. I'm still going with my gut feeling, and I'm starting to consider choosing Kenny over Luke.
But we'll just have to see. As Kenny hasn't exactly been a good leader with perhaps the only noble thing is taking the blame for the walkie-talkie. But he is dangerous as he's already caused the death of at least two people whilst almost getting himself, Mike and Clementine killed.
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Luke is, fundamentally, a good guy. Yeah, I trust him. I feel like if my ass was in danger he'd come down to rescue me, regardless of how I've treated him. He recognises I'm a kid, yet he recognises I can do shit if I have to. He was most definitely the first to warm up to me. He recognises I, being 11 in the apocalypse, and all alone, must have a story. And he sat down to hear me out. He let Clem finally sit there and talk. Talk about Lee, without getting sad looks and hurt faces, because he never knew him. I feel like after that, Clem was finally able to move on.
Yeah, he hecks up, but don't we all? I know he has my back if we need him.
Nice username... you better not touch my drum set.
Well here's the real kicker, when my uncle was diagnosed, the doctors only gave him 2 months to live, when he refused to take chemotherapy.
And after seeing how chemotherapy ravages the body, I don't blame him!
Anyway, we got him on some natural things, that were good at fighting cancer, and it's now been 8 years.
He's got an amazing quality of life, and is going strong.
So much for the doctor's diagnosis!
Luke is smart and planning. And he doesn't lack in the effort or heart department either. His one weakpoint though, is that his plans usually revolve around the assumption that he's superman. Only for him to later find out that he's just human.
Hell, he doesn't just expect to have natural superman powers. He really tries and tries extra hard to reach superhuman levels. As if he can through the force of his will and efforts be able to grow wings and fly into rescuing his friends.
What's worse, is that when he falls down to earth, he falls down HARD like, really really hard. The post-capture Luke was very very pessimistic and sad. He wasn't stupid, he did have a point about waiting if Kenny wasn't ok. But he was still very very sad until everyone cheered up which in turn got him cheered up.
Luke got the brains and the heart and the loyalty. The only thing he's missing is constant awareness of his human limitations.