Playing Devil's Advocate...

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  • Kenny was willing to leave people behind when it came to the boat so I don't see what's the big deal...
  • They weren't ready to escape right then. They would have been more prepared if they waited, because if Kenny wasn't up for days and the walker horde hits, he's f**ked.
    Dragonleaf posted: »

    No, carrying Kenny's body through the horde isn't a smart idea. But it's better than waiting for everyone to heal and letting the horde hit

  • Still, even if Kenny didn't wake up (In which he did wake up, Mike was right calling him a tough bastard) I still think bringing an unconscious Kenny along that night to escape would've been better than waiting for the horde to hit anyways and most likely not being prepared at all to escape.

    Everyone would be a little bit more rested up, sure. But who's to say the walkers wouldn't have hit when they were all sleeping? Or the horde hitting the compound when Rebecca was having her baby? In those scenarios the group would be not prepared at ALL to escape. Anyway, just my two cents.

    They weren't ready to escape right then. They would have been more prepared if they waited, because if Kenny wasn't up for days and the walker horde hits, he's f**ked.

  • I hate Luke because of this kind of reactions, I don't trust him at all, I don't said in a way he is no right I said for someone who trust in family that is the most important thing in the world, proposing to left some folks behind euuhh no dude it's bullshit, you can call it what u want but what it is really is : bullshit !
  • Kenny was willing to nearly tell my Lee that he was on his own in saving Clementine just because the two of them didn't see eye to eye. Yeah people who love Kenny REALLY can't comment on Luke's morality, they REALLY can't. They can dislike Luke, sure, but disliking him for those reasons makes no sense considering Luke is like a puppy next to the stuff Kenny's done.

    Sometimes I see people listing all of the bad things Luke's done and I'm just like, do you really want me to start on that list for Kenny? Because it'll get loooooooooong. It's alright to like a character better than another without trying to twist around things the character you dislike does to make them "worse". Nothing anyone can do can make what Luke has done on par with things Kenny has done, anyways. Just like the character you like and be done with it.
    Incorporeal posted: »

    Kenny was willing to leave people behind when it came to the boat so I don't see what's the big deal...

  • But what if leaving Kenny meant saving more of the family?
    Mathilda posted: »

    I hate Luke because of this kind of reactions, I don't trust him at all, I don't said in a way he is no right I said for someone who trust i

  • I know mate, presented with hard fact and they still can't accept it. :P
    MeMeLord posted: »

    Don't bother, some people just want to believe in miracles and magic. Not to say that a heart attack kills you faster than a bite.

  • Maybe the reason most Kenny fans hate Luke so much is because they think that we will have to choose between Luke or Kenny, and they feel threatened by Luke, so they use anything they can to attack Luke as a way to protect Kenny.
    Mr_Eeuss posted: »

    Agreed. It's not like Luke wanted Kenny dead. He suggested they leave him behind: 1. To prove his point that waiting a little longer wa

  • I answer it's the same speach that Carver did, or in a way crowford in S1, kenny, sarita are nice they are my friends I don't left friends behind, that's my vote ;)
    Rynna posted: »

    But what if leaving Kenny meant saving more of the family?

  • edited May 2014
    They were in the "eye of the horde" when they escaped, so if they waited for a day or two the walkers would most likely have passed by.
    Dragonleaf posted: »

    No, carrying Kenny's body through the horde isn't a smart idea. But it's better than waiting for everyone to heal and letting the horde hit

  • Clementine asked Luke why Carver was pursuing them and Luke was giving her the answer in an indirect way.
    Mathilda posted: »

    I hate Luke because of this kind of reactions, I don't trust him at all, I don't said in a way he is no right I said for someone who trust i

  • But bringing Ben along doesn't necessarily doom them. Dragging someone's unconscious body through a horde of walkers is much, much more of a risk. The two situations are not even close to comparable.
    Mathilda posted: »

    I answer it's the same speach that Carver did, or in a way crowford in S1, kenny, sarita are nice they are my friends I don't left friends behind, that's my vote ;)

  • What do you mean?
    Ok, maybe you're right, maybe Larry was dead either way. That still doesn't make the way Kenny handled things right. He could've at least waited to make sure he's dead and for Lilly to calm down a bit.
    Regi_ posted: »

    I know mate, presented with hard fact and they still can't accept it. :P

  • "But bringing Ben along doesn't necessarily doom them."
    I disagree bringing Ben in a first place causes the life of Duck, Katjaa and Carley, it was closed to lost Clem thanks Chuck who saved her life, he left clem went to Savannah streets alone. He took the axe from the door etc etc etc...
    Rynna posted: »

    But bringing Ben along doesn't necessarily doom them. Dragging someone's unconscious body through a horde of walkers is much, much more of a risk. The two situations are not even close to comparable.

  • Leaving somebody behind for what they might do when they're perfectly able is terrible. Leaving someone behind because they aren't awake and may never wake up and bringing them means dragging them through a zombie horde is valid. One is a much easier choice than the other!
    Mathilda posted: »

    "But bringing Ben along doesn't necessarily doom them." I disagree bringing Ben in a first place causes the life of Duck, Katjaa and Carle

  • You forget one thing, if the plan is to left them behind what happens to them, do you thing Tavia and Cie will said ok no problem it's fair don't worry you have a second chance go back to work ?
    Rynna posted: »

    Leaving somebody behind for what they might do when they're perfectly able is terrible. Leaving someone behind because they aren't awake and

  • Or calm things down at once by killing Larry on spot before he jumps up reanimated and attacks other people.
    Mr_Eeuss posted: »

    What do you mean? Ok, maybe you're right, maybe Larry was dead either way. That still doesn't make the way Kenny handled things right. He could've at least waited to make sure he's dead and for Lilly to calm down a bit.

  • Stereotypes are nice but only when they fit your opinion, right? I like both characters very much and think that neither of them should die nor will I leave any of them behind. Besides, it doesn't even matter, linear story telling and everything will make my decision useless anyway.
    Deceptio posted: »

    Yaeh, Kenny fans are so defensive and they are selfish, rude, and immature. Just look, I have 4 downvotes. Obviously Kenny fans, because I w

  • Walkers are slow. He wasn't going to "jump up". Even if he reanimated they'd have enough time to kill him before he hurt anyone.
    MeMeLord posted: »

    Or calm things down at once by killing Larry on spot before he jumps up reanimated and attacks other people.

  • edited May 2014
    Yeah, Luke was trying to tell them the possible consequences of leaving the same night with everyone's condition. Also if Kenny hadn't woke up, he wouldn't have been the only person left behind. The other could've been Alvin as we saw how bad his condition was too.

    But the thing is if they did stay longer, chances are things could've gone worse, like if Carver discovered Clem was actually the one who stole the radios, who knows what he would've done to her, and also there would be less opportunities to escape. This would've been a possibility.
  • How could she of calmed down? We were going to smash in her fathers head. Dead or not that is still unpleasant. She would of went down to the last breath trying to bring him back. Who's to say he wasn't going to jump up at that very second? It was fast paced but that's what saves people in this world, fast choices and not thinking about the consequences. It had to be done sooner or later.
    Mr_Eeuss posted: »

    What do you mean? Ok, maybe you're right, maybe Larry was dead either way. That still doesn't make the way Kenny handled things right. He could've at least waited to make sure he's dead and for Lilly to calm down a bit.

  • edited May 2014
    http"://"www.youtube"."com/watch"?v=dmCobUDErNA

    27:12

    The walker breathed shortly (as if he was alive) and then attacked Katjaa in no time. So yes, Killing Larry was the safest way to make sure no one gets bit.
    Mr_Eeuss posted: »

    Walkers are slow. He wasn't going to "jump up". Even if he reanimated they'd have enough time to kill him before he hurt anyone.

  • I'm not calling anyone a stereotype. If you have seen the Kenny fans here you would agree. Especially before gifs and images were disabled and before episode 2 came out, the "Kenny confirmed for season 2" gif was everywhere. They spammed it on literally every thread. And I'm not saying I don't like Kenny, Luke, or Kenny fans. It's just what I think is the truth.
    MeMeLord posted: »

    Stereotypes are nice but only when they fit your opinion, right? I like both characters very much and think that neither of them should die

  • Is killing a man that wants to enslave you and kill you if you don't do what he says really killing in cold blood? My opinion is no.
    Ayrtonius posted: »

    There is a difference between trying to protect a large group of people, and executing a man in cold blood. also, Luke wasn't suggestin

  • Okay, I don't really like the mustache jokes but most people just like Kenny without being retarded about it.
    Deceptio posted: »

    I'm not calling anyone a stereotype. If you have seen the Kenny fans here you would agree. Especially before gifs and images were disabled a

  • I agree. In a world where there are no zombies I would've tried to save Larry. In a world where he might reanimate and chew off my lips while giving him mouth to mouth I'm crushing his head.
    Regi_ posted: »

    Larry was going to turn, it had to be done and it doesn't matter if you like it or not. His chances of survival were 5-10% without medical e

  • I bet Kenny would have said that about Luke.

    Would he have said it about Katjaa or Duck? Hell no!

    You're just describing normal human behaviour. Or, at least, behaviour Kenny would also display.
    TGP95 posted: »

    He wouldn't have said that if it was Nick or Carlos or someone he cared about ..

  • If Luke was the one who was injured, Kenny would have suggested to leave him behind. You all know he would.
  • Some people do, but then there are those fans who... you know what I'm talking about lol.
    MeMeLord posted: »

    Okay, I don't really like the mustache jokes but most people just like Kenny without being retarded about it.

  • edited May 2014
    I do like Kenny more than Luke, but since I got my account all I do is defending Luke in most threads.
    It's ridiculous just how much hate Luke is getting, and mostly for unjustly reasons as well.

    'Live and let live' is my new method because I would get crazy discussing the same thing over and over again.
  • The whole group got split up in the herd, the only person we KNOW we didn't lose is Sarita, so according to your logic, Kenny, Sarah, Rebecca, Nick, Jane, and Bonnie were all lost

    I don't blame Luke for that. I blame him for being pretty useless and disappearing at the end of the episode again.

  • I know, I know, but I think that most Kenny fans also like Luke to a certain extend and are not posting le funny pictures with mustaches to show their fandomness.
    Deceptio posted: »

    Some people do, but then there are those fans who... you know what I'm talking about lol.

  • Replaying season one, and oh dear, Kenny fans who bash on Luke's morality are hypocrites. He was ready to leave Lilly behind at the motor inn after the bandit attack, when the coast was clear!
    Incorporeal posted: »

    Kenny was willing to leave people behind when it came to the boat so I don't see what's the big deal...

  • Yep, do Kenny fans forget when he suggested leaving Omid behind cause he was injured?

    I think Kenny would've done the same if it was Luke who had taken the beating. There's always a character who gets pragmatic in a situation

  • I certainly hope that's the case.
    MeMeLord posted: »

    I know, I know, but I think that most Kenny fans also like Luke to a certain extend and are not posting le funny pictures with mustaches to show their fandomness.

  • Luke was looking at the situation with a logical method. Although I may not of agreed he was still in the right. He wanted to rest up and was kinda forced into making the 'tough call' and then people started bitching about it. Still Kenny did take a beating for him so the least he could do is show some respect for the old man.
  • No, that logic doesn't work.

    Larry ONLY breathes if you press his chest enough times. If you don't, he doesn't.

    Pressing someone#s chest does not make them turn quicker.

    Therefore, Larry was breathing, and was alive.
    MeMeLord posted: »

    http"://"www.youtube"."com/watch"?v=dmCobUDErNA 27:12 The walker breathed shortly (as if he was alive) and then attacked Katjaa in no time. So yes, Killing Larry was the safest way to make sure no one gets bit.

  • edited May 2014
    I could say the same about you guys:

    Larry only breaths if you press his chest enough times. Pressing someone's chest does not speed up the change into a walker. Pressing someone's chest can save their life in the event of a heart attack.

    Therefore, he was breathing, and he was alive.
    Regi_ posted: »

    I know mate, presented with hard fact and they still can't accept it. :P

  • It does not speed up the process, but what if Larry had turned? What if Kenny killed him just shortly before he turned if you choose to help him?
    Flog61 posted: »

    I could say the same about you guys: Larry only breaths if you press his chest enough times. Pressing someone's chest does not speed up

  • You really like Luke, don't ya?

    :3

    I know, i feel ya.

    BUT THE MUSTACHE RULEZ.
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