If you choose to help Kenny, then that is the reason Larry didn't breathe and so you just ended up being the one who killed him, not kenny. But he was capable of saving in every playthrough, and in every playthrough it is cut short by kenny and determinedly lee.
I understand kenny's motivations. But they were not correct. At the very least he should have held the salt lick over his head until the visible signs of turning were shown.
>not helping someone is the same thing as killing them
Such is life in Europe
And no, zombies can jump up, proven by episode 2 where you bring Travis back with you and he attacks one second after breathing.
I can even tell you what exactly would have happened: Larry breathes, Lilly pushes Kenny away, Larry gets up, bites Lilly and then Kenny smashes his head in and then Lillys. End of the story, both are dead.
If you choose to help Kenny, then that is the reason Larry didn't breathe and so you just ended up being the one who killed him, not kenny. … moreBut he was capable of saving in every playthrough, and in every playthrough it is cut short by kenny and determinedly lee.
I understand kenny's motivations. But they were not correct. At the very least he should have held the salt lick over his head until the visible signs of turning were shown.
1. He was the only one who didn't want to lock her in the shed while everyone else wanted to either kill her or put her in the shed. If you listen to the kitchen conversation you'll hear Luke fighting for her and he actually convinces the group to let her out of the shed.
2. If it wasn't for Luke then Clem would've been dead anyways from being eaten alive by walkers.
If you choose to help Kenny, then that is the reason Larry didn't breathe and so you just ended up being the one who killed him, not kenny. … moreBut he was capable of saving in every playthrough, and in every playthrough it is cut short by kenny and determinedly lee.
I understand kenny's motivations. But they were not correct. At the very least he should have held the salt lick over his head until the visible signs of turning were shown.
Yaeh, Kenny fans are so defensive and they are selfish, rude, and immature. Just look, I have 4 downvotes. Obviously Kenny fans, because I w… moreas pointing out why Luke is getting so much hate and where it's coming from. And they downvoted me because they were "insulted" by my comment and couldn't face the truth. I'm not trying to be a dick, even though it kind of sounds like it, but it really is the truth.
>not helping someone is the same thing as killing them
Such is life in Europe
And no, zombies can jump up, proven by episode 2 whe… morere you bring Travis back with you and he attacks one second after breathing.
I can even tell you what exactly would have happened: Larry breathes, Lilly pushes Kenny away, Larry gets up, bites Lilly and then Kenny smashes his head in and then Lillys. End of the story, both are dead.
As far as I remember, helping Kenny out makes him smash in the head faster. I'm sure if we had waited for some seconds, he might have started to breath aswell and then he starts attacking Lilly.
No, because he only breathes if you push his chest enough. If you don't push it, he just remains like that.
Reanimation isn't speeded u… morep by pushing on a chest, but that can bring people back to life.
Ergo, he must have been coming back to life.
As far as I remember, helping Kenny out makes him smash in the head faster. I'm sure if we had waited for some seconds, he might have started to breath aswell and then he starts attacking Lilly.
Did you actually read what I wrote? If you help Kenny, he kills him earlier, before he starts breathing, but if you decide to help Lilly, Kenny will kill Larry slightly later, shortly before he reanimates.
So you're justification for helping Kenny kill him is that Larry only become a zombie if you help Kenny kill him?
That...doesn't make any sense. He is definitely still alive in the Lilly version, and so he can always theoretically be saved.
...but I've just proved to you that if you help Lilly, he DOESN'T reanimate because he breathes after pressing the chest a certain number of times, and pressing on the chest doesn't speed up reanimation.
Did you actually read what I wrote? If you help Kenny, he kills him earlier, before he starts breathing, but if you decide to help Lilly, Kenny will kill Larry slightly later, shortly before he reanimates.
...but I've just proved to you that if you help Lilly, he DOESN'T reanimate because he breathes after pressing the chest a certain number of… more times, and pressing on the chest doesn't speed up reanimation.
How many times do I need to tell you that?
I'll have to say it again it seems:
YES breathing can be reanimating. HOWEVER. Larry ONLY breathes if you push his chest enough times.
… more
Pushing the chest does NOT speed up reanimation, and he doesn't breath if you don't push the chest at all.
Therefore, the fact that he breathes after performing CPR MUST mean that he was coming back to life, and was not reanimating.
Do you understand now?
I'm not making excuses for Carver, I wanted that son of a bitch dead too, but there is a difference between killing someone and beating someone to death. Kenny wasted time and energy by beating Carver when he could have simply shot him in the head. I know everyone wanted revenge, but sticking around to beat Carver wasn't the smartest idea at the time.
Protecting a large group of people eh? So killing a man who would of chased after THEM and murdered them in cold blood isn't protecting the … moregroup?
Lets be honest here, if Carver got outta there he would of chased down the group and slaughtered them. Kenny made the right call taking down Carver and in turn, protecting the group.
As for Luke leaving Kenny I was completely against that. If it were Luke or someone else in the situation ( Sarita is the exception ) I would of been ok with it. The fact is I don't want to leave my loved ones behind. In my case that's Kenny and Sarita. You might not want to leave Luke behind if he was in that situation which I can understand. But non the less he did suggest it. And before you start calling me a hypocrite I will just put it out there and say yes I am. That's what gets us through this world with the people we care about though.
Yes, so if you help Kenny then you murder Larry, as he can still theoretically be saved, and if you help Lilly then you DO save him, but he is murderer moments after you save him by Kenny.
In either case, Kenny still killed a man who was not yet dead, nor reanimating.
How do we know that he wasn't reanimating when Larry started to breath? Before you say again "B-But cpr no speed up reanimation" I meant to say that Larry could aswell have started to breath shortly after Kenny killed him in case you help Kenny, because the killing goes faster.
Yes, so if you help Kenny then you murder Larry, as he can still theoretically be saved, and if you help Lilly then you DO save him, but he … moreis murderer moments after you save him by Kenny.
In either case, Kenny still killed a man who was not yet dead, nor reanimating.
I bet Kenny would have said that about Luke.
Would he have said it about Katjaa or Duck? Hell no!
You're just describing normal human behaviour. Or, at least, behaviour Kenny would also display.
I agree with you. And killing Carver in this way also has the meaning that “those who go against Carver is not better than him in morality”, and I think that's why Carver satirized Kenny in such a harsh way: he wanted to enrage Kenny to kill him in a brutal way. So my Clem told Luke to shoot Carver and also tried to stop Kenny from beating Carver to death. If I had the choice, I would kill Carver with one bullet in the head before Kenny could beat him.
I'm not making excuses for Carver, I wanted that son of a bitch dead too, but there is a difference between killing someone and beating some… moreone to death. Kenny wasted time and energy by beating Carver when he could have simply shot him in the head. I know everyone wanted revenge, but sticking around to beat Carver wasn't the smartest idea at the time.
And would people have hated Kenny if he was the one saying people should be left behind?
Carver was crippled. He couldn't have chased them down if he tried.
The 2 situations aren't even comparable.
There is a difference between trying to protect a large group of people, and executing a man in cold blood.
also, Luke wasn't suggestin… moreg they leave Kenny. He simply said that if they really wanted to leave that night, they'd have to think about it. It's a big difference.
I don't see how you could see it as hypocritical when the 2 situations are exactly NOTHING alike.
If I were Luke, I would stress on the point that WE CANNOT LEAVE TONIGHT rather than the point that WE SHOULD LEAVE SOMEONE BEHIND.
PS I'm not Kenny's fan and I hate it when Kenny got angry about Lee's not killing Larry with him.
If you help Lilly but don't push on his chest, he doesn't breathe, despite the scene lasting the exact same amount of time.
Therefore, he must have been breathing back to life. There is literally no evidence which anyone has provided which can contradict his breath being one of life.
How do we know that he wasn't reanimating when Larry started to breath? Before you say again "B-But cpr no speed up reanimation" I meant to … moresay that Larry could aswell have started to breath shortly after Kenny killed him in case you help Kenny, because the killing goes faster.
THANK YOU!
I was getting frustrated with thinking that everyone actually misunderstood the whole situation as Luke WANTING to ditch Kenny when all he did was stating their options.
Like you said, if everyone planned to leave that night and Kenny hadn't woken up, they would not have any choice. It's just that Luke is the only one admitting it, which is also why he insisted on staying for the time. (for him and Rebecca too)
Also, if the whole thing turned around to Luke in Kenny's position and Kenny in Luke's, Kenny would suggest the exact same thing, probably with less remorse even.
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I understand kenny's motivations. But they were not correct. At the very least he should have held the salt lick over his head until the visible signs of turning were shown.
Such is life in Europe
And no, zombies can jump up, proven by episode 2 where you bring Travis back with you and he attacks one second after breathing.
I can even tell you what exactly would have happened: Larry breathes, Lilly pushes Kenny away, Larry gets up, bites Lilly and then Kenny smashes his head in and then Lillys. End of the story, both are dead.
He locked Clem inside a fucking shed, if she didn't know how to defend herself, she would've died.
2. If it wasn't for Luke then Clem would've been dead anyways from being eaten alive by walkers.
Reanimation isn't speeded up by pushing on a chest, but that can bring people back to life.
Ergo, he must have been coming back to life.
That...doesn't make any sense. He is definitely still alive in the Lilly version, and so he can always theoretically be saved.
How many times do I need to tell you that?
YES breathing can be reanimating. HOWEVER. Larry ONLY breathes if you push his chest enough times.
Pushing the chest does NOT speed up reanimation, and he doesn't breath if you don't push the chest at all.
Therefore, the fact that he breathes after performing CPR MUST mean that he was coming back to life, and was not reanimating.
Do you understand now?
that's why I admire him so much! he's not afraid to play Devil's Advocate! ^^
In either case, Kenny still killed a man who was not yet dead, nor reanimating.
PS I'm not Kenny's fan and I hate it when Kenny got angry about Lee's not killing Larry with him.
Don't worry, man. I won't let them shave it.
Therefore, he must have been breathing back to life. There is literally no evidence which anyone has provided which can contradict his breath being one of life.
And yet, the main people who are hating on him for it seem to be Kenny fans. That's why I pointed it out.
I was getting frustrated with thinking that everyone actually misunderstood the whole situation as Luke WANTING to ditch Kenny when all he did was stating their options.
Like you said, if everyone planned to leave that night and Kenny hadn't woken up, they would not have any choice. It's just that Luke is the only one admitting it, which is also why he insisted on staying for the time. (for him and Rebecca too)
Also, if the whole thing turned around to Luke in Kenny's position and Kenny in Luke's, Kenny would suggest the exact same thing, probably with less remorse even.