The Ultimate Choice
Ok, so I think it's going to be obvious there's a big choice during either Episode 4 or 5 which will affect Clementine majorly. For example, you may have to choose between two people for whom to live, or choose between two groups at the end of the game to decide on Season 3's characters at the beginning?
What do you think the "big choice" is going to be for Clementine and Season 2? Obviously the other choices would matter to Season 2 and Clementine's view of the world/group, but what type of choice do you think would come up?
What do you think the "big choice" is going to be for Clementine and Season 2? Obviously the other choices would matter to Season 2 and Clementine's view of the world/group, but what type of choice do you think would come up?
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Survivalists like Kenny, Jane, Molly, Carley, ... Etc.
Community like Luke, Carlos, Sarah, Rebbecca, .... Etc.
For me, I am a survivalist.
And they're so different, in so many ways, that I don't see them to be able to travel together.
If it comes down to choosing between Kenny and Luke, I'm going with Kenny.
Even though I'm a moralist, I trust Kenny more.
I've known him longer than Luke, and I have a real good history with him.
About hard decisions, The rest of the two episodes MUST have very harsh decisions. This is only meant to be the ultimate morally defining decision.
Ignore this I was just trying to post a meme but it didn't work
It probably wont be a lot of people felt the end of season 1 would be Lee or clem and it didnt turn out that way. Personally while depressing I'm hoping they both die leaving Clementine without either
No big deal.
I would totally go with the survivalist on this, but as someone said, there should be some balance.
Because.. if you look at alot of the "survivalist's" from the game or TV show, it always seem's that the leaders have gone somewhat insane.
For example, Carver, Governor, Oberson of Crawford.. They all have taken steps to form some sort of community which I think is a good idea, but they take it to such an extream measure that they just hurt themselves..
Governor kept heads in fishtanks, his zombie daughter in a closet, murdered the Nation Gruardsmen. It would have been better to let them join with their training and weapons and vehicles.
Carver, actually traveled for days to capture people to force to live in his camp, easily murdered people. He was so extream even his people didnt trust him, some had to escape.
Oberson of Crawford was also so extreme to the point of killing innocent people to form a zombie wall, was distrusted which led to his downfall.
All that being said, I've pondered if the ZA were real, where would I go? who would I join? How far would I be willing to go to survive?
The bandit's wernt very organized of course but they understood the safety in numbers and were willing to simply kill for supplies, as was the Govenor but the foundation they used was right.. They just had homicidal maniac's as leaders.
Ask yourself, if you were alone, starving and saw someone who had food, would you simply just murder them for your own survival or let yourself die just to be a good person? I think I would if in a ZA, kill the innocent to keep alive. If forced to such an extream.
Yep, makes me a "bad guy" but a living bad guy while the good guy's are dead!
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I'd be in a community. (Not a Carver type)
I can explain my reasoning. For an example, let's say you broke your arm and you're all out on your own in the middle of the woods. What honestly would you do? Unless you had supplies you'd be screwed. If you were in a community somebody would help you fix it, rather then having the arm getting infected (not the "infected" like being bitten.)
Also, there would be a pretty good chance you'd find a person/people and befriend them. If shit hits the fan, you can escape with them and try to survive together.
In a community most of the time, people would have your back. Also, think about how easier it would be if you had lots of canned things and just generally food products.
Now, I understand what the survivalists are thinking. That other peoples would drag you down, and there could be a chance that other people would go behind your back. Don't worry I completely understand your reasoning. But, just think about it. Would you rather survive in a group, that you could easily leave whenever, or be on your own the whole time with no company whatsoever.
Where ever Kenny goes, is where i am going!
Not "All" People. My kind of survivalism includes teamplayer perspective, But if you're worthy. For example, Sarah is a liability and a worthless piece of shit. However, Ben had potential, He was just stressed and The dev team just wanted him to look like a shitbird. xD
I have no respect for people who can't stand for themselves. Clem stood for herself ever since we met here, THAT's a potential to consider and give a chance for developing. However, I don't accept liabilities like Sarah, Carlos And Rebbecca and not because she's pregnant, Because she's dumb and a worthless crap.
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Everyone would be dead, 2 people is not a group.
A team differs from a group, A team is more like a Special Tasks group of the military, A community is like a small society. That's supposedly where you should have a choice, A team or A community.
How is she dumb and worthless crap?
Honestly, I'd go with the community. A community sticks together, while survivalists just look out for themselves.
Just look how she treats every situation she runs into, She can't even treat an injured kid well, She never gives a second thought and analyze the situation unlike Pete. She, Nick and Carlos are plain stupid.
Here's a choice
You and the group (Kenny, Luke, Rebecca and her baby, mike, jane, nick if alive, Christa, and Sarah) are cornered in an ally by a ton of walkers, with no ammo, and only Luke's machete for a weapon. But the back wall of the ally isn't too tall, if someone gave you a boost you could get over it. No one is tall enough to reach the top without help and there are pointed metal fence posts on the top of the fence so no one is able to sit or stand on top of it. You probably have enough time to boost your whole group over if you act quickly.
This means that someone must be left behind to boost the last person over, but have no one left to help them. As Clem, Sarah and the baby are too small and weak to boost an adult they cannot be left behind. Anyone else is basically fair game but not everyone is willing. Kenny and nick (or mike if nick is dead) say they will do it, Rebecca and Jane say that there is no way they will do it, Luke, Chista and mike (if nick is alive) don't say anything. You can argue people into doing it but be aware that if you do, you may not have time to boost everyone else over. Every second counts so quickly make your choice!
Also sub choice do you leave them the machete, or take it with you and leave them unarmed?
Well i gotto be with my Luke
your basically right.. a community with a variety of different people will bring different skill's the help everyone.. But it must be the right community with a mix of survivalist's.
Here's my constant example: I like watching Doomsday preppers. They one had a group of people who would start a co-op. some would do gardening, others to gather water, etc.. but one thing they all agreed upon was NO GUNS. they would trade and barter with other's and in an ideal situation that would all be fine and dandy. But reality of it is, some group of "survivalist's would eventaully arrive and simply kill them all and take everything. Ya have to realize that in todays real world, we have law's and such but that doesnt stop some from committing mass murders, rapes etc.. Now in a post-apocalyptic world, there are no laws or police to keep people protected and the only law's would be the law of the land.
You cant have a community that would thrive if you didnt have members willing to do what it takes to survive and someone who concidered themself a survivalist would know that, be willing to join a community and do what it takes for everyone to survive.
I have to disagree with you. She constantly analyzes situations around her and is always wary. When she is told to remove her weapons in the ski lodge, she thinks about it and initially refuses out of concern for her and her family's well being. When the group is discussing how to escape Carver's community, she is an active contributor to the discussion and even admonishes Kenny for not planning and thinking things through- she actually analyzes the plan and the consequences of using whatever method to go through with it very well.
As for Carlos and Nick, they do have faults and can make rash and stupid decisions. But I don't think that either of them are unintelligent.
As for calling Sarah a "worthless piece of shit", I don't even know what to say to you. Calling a frightened child with a probable developmental disorder that is terrible and thinking with a closed mind. I'm sorry that a 15 year-old girl who is scared out of her mind probably can't parkour on to buildings and slaughter walkers without breaking a sweat. She has her own strengths if you are willing to look and find them.
You are looking at Ben's whole situation with an open mind and recognizing that while he made mistakes, he was also just a stressed teenager. If you apply that same type of thinking to most other characters, you might find that they have justifiable and realistic reasons for acting the way they do.
Firstly, Carlos and Nick are really unresourceful and rash. And i really those qualities. Unlike Luke, Whom i deeply respect even after dropping Clementine.
Secondly, As i said before, I don't have respect for people who can't stand for themselves. Clementine has been surviving on her own ever since the apocalypse started. And in S2, She actually reminds me of myself when i was her age, Especially when she said, STILL. NOT. BITTEN. Whether Sarah has a disorder or not, She's not a matter of concern to me.
Thirdly, The difference between Rebbecca and Ben that Ben always wanted to help. I forgave him even after he got Carley killed. I was very upset after Carley got killed, But i forgave him. Rebbecca is unwilling to change her opinion no matter what and that makes her predictable. Stubborn and undetermined, Unlike Kenny, Stubborn and Determined. That's a whole another thing.
That's the difference between A community and a team. A community accepts anyone which results to its decay, A team is very well-picked. But that's just an opinion.
Luke VS Kenny or the group thing you said