I think the story is lacking because . . .
Clementine is the playable character. Not trying to start a flame war or anything so let me be clear: I love Clementine and her character as much as anyone HOWEVER I feel as not attached to the game playing as her.
For those who are complaining about Season 2 being worse than Season 1, quality wise it isn't. Nor do I think the writing is worse. As a player I just really think the game is missing a character like Lee. For one, Season 1 had the element of taking care of/protecting Clementine. . .that element is gone. Now it seems Telltale is basing the story on Clementine growing up/ surviving in the apocalypse which is fine but I personally feel like they made a mistake by making her the playable character. I feel like Telltale is FORCING the story now because the story is being led by a 13 year old girl. A 13 year old girl can't develop the same relationships as Lee had. Lees interactions with other adults were more adult orientated conversations (of serious matter.) Lee being a 30 plus year old male could obviously handle himself better with weapons/ zombies than Clementine, a 13 year old girl.
Overall, I feel like Telltale is now forcing the story to go through Clementine. What I mean is they are trying to balance Clementine being a 13 year old girl, and her being a "zombie killing badass." To me, it just doesn't feel right and the balance is far off. I loved Season 1 and the way it ended but I think the game is really missing Lee/ an adult playable character. I love Season 2 so far as well but as I said I just feel really detached to the plot now. In Season 1 I would get into the game and put myself in Lee's shoes now I feel as if I am "playing" the game through Clementine.
- JUST MY OPINION *
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i doubt they regret making clementine the protagonist, at least they shouldn't regret it, what they should regret is taking on 2 new games which are affecting clementines story.
EDIT: SHE'S 11 NOT 13
Clementine is 11
Haha what is with this argument saying because they have 4 games it is taking away the quality of the game? Its not like the same 20 people are working on the same 4 games.
I don't think so. My opinion, its more interesting to see the world from the sight of an 11 years old girl than from an adult like in every another game. Its something new. Thats propably the reason why I like the second season a little bit more.
I'm going to be completely honest here, I'm not sure how interested I would have been in the season if Clementine wasn't the protagonist. I just couldn't have seen it going any other way after season 1's ending.
I can see where you're coming from. I personally do feel more dissociated from Clem than I did with Lee. However, I think it has less to do with her being a little girl and more to do with her being such a distinctive personality from Lee in Season 1. I'd imagine that I'd feel similarly if we were playing as, say, Kenny. It just feels a bit weird taking the perspective of someone who was previous so well established as a separate entity from the player. I don't think it necessarily diminishes the story, but there is certainly a different feel to it than Season 1.
Meh, I like the fact we've taken control of Clem. Telltale's allowed us to decide whether Clem grows into a gentle idealist, a desensitized sociopath like Carl, or something in between.
Good point. While I understand what the OP is saying and I respect their opinion, I don't really know what a better alternative would be. Most of us were pretty emotionally invested in Clementine by the end of Season 1. I was eager to see her story more than anyone else's. I wouldn't have wanted to play as Christa or Omid or even Kenny (as much as I love him) for that matter. Clementine was the center of the story after Lee's death. There was no other way it could go while maintaining the same amount of emotional involvement, in my opinion. I'm interested as to the alternatives the OP would have preferred. Would you (OP) have preferred a completely new set of characters? Or would you rather have played as Christa/Omid/Kenny/Lilly? Just curious. Interesting points all around, I do understand where you're coming from, but ultimately Clementine was at least what I wanted for a protagonist going into Season 2.
Not to mention, Lee clicking on the options and Clementine carrying them out was pretty clearly the passing of the protagonist torch, so to speak. And as soon as Lee, our viewpoint, died, the perspective shifted to Clem for the after credits sequence.
Would have been weird if they just shifted to some other bloke after that.
I think Christa could have been a pretty good choice, since she seemed fairly neutral in Season 1 and was somewhat close in temperament to Lee. Most people also passed guardianship of Clem onto her when given the option. Vince or Shel from 400 days could have also worked, although for Shel having an implicit attachment to Becca may have proven to be a bit problematic. But yeah, none of these other options would have been nearly as thematically poignant as playing as Clem.
You are wrong. Clementine is awesome, it gives us a new point of view at the apocalypse.
No. The story is lacking because of untalented writers(this is just me being a whiney idiot), huge workload of 4+games and 90 minute episodes.
Clem is the only thing saving this season.
I don't think its Clementine. I think its just the writing. Yes, true playing as an 11 year old is not as engaging (because story-line and conversations become more limited), and she is weaker than an adult, but I really don't think its her. There are many ways to make a game amazing besides the protagonist herself (or himself). Maybe if she was older it would be more enjoyable for you and others? Not many video game characters are that young but honestly, I am still enjoying it.
No, it's the execution that's lacking, not the protagonist herself. At least not completely.
Okay, I'll bite. I don't particularly care about Clementine, and I would have greatly preferred playing as someone else, somewhere else.
I especially despise how many people claim that the story is just about Clementine. That's the whole point of Telltale's The Walking Dead, apparently. Was Clementine a huge focal point of season one? Yes. Because of Lee, and because of where she fit into the story. Does that mean she is and forever should be the driving force behind the game? God, I hope not. The amount of people who just plain admit that they wouldn't play if not for Clementine is baffling. Out of all the well-written, interesting characters, somehow Clementine is the "best". I'm sorry to say, but she's not. I really hope that if there is another season, we can broaden our horizons and play as a different character. Full stop, clean slate - new start somewhere else. There are too many interesting places the story could go; I'd rather not get stuck with Clementine.
I only play this season because Clementine's in it and it will be that way if they make future seasons including Clementine.
You can have your opinion, though I strongly disagree, and episode three was not amazing (IMO), but let's just hope telltale will have Nick Breckon write episode four... and if some bad writer writes that episode, we at least have episode five to look forward to. Nick Breckon has been very successful (IMO) with the episodes he has written, so I really prefer him to Pierre Shortte who writes for TWAU, and we all know how well that's going...
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Disagree. Playing as Clem has given this game a very unique and interesting take on Zombie Survival stories. Playing as another character protecting Clem would be weak, because she has nothing left to learn, my Lee taught my Clem all she will ever need to know about survival in the apocalypse.
I don't think that's true. Lee gave her a solid foundation on which to grow, but she still has plenty to learn. Right now, she's getting into that spunky, rebellious phase of her life where she's hyper-sensitive to social influence, whether or not she wants to admit to it. Guidance during this time period is crucial. It'll be what determines if she stays on the path that Lee put her on or veers off into something else.
I don't mean to be rude, but do you actually have something to add or disagree with about what I said? Seems kind of insulting that I could try and contribute a different viewpoint to the discussion and your response to me is some tired Big Lebowski reference.
I expressed my disagreement, but I have no interest in trying to prove you wrong because I can't. That's how you feel.
I'm sorry if that offends you. I could change my statement to 'ur dumb and rong man, get better opinions' if you want.
I don't want you to try and "prove" me wrong - I posted my own viewpoint. There isn't anything to "prove," one way or another. I had hoped that if somebody responded to what I said, it would be with the intention of discussing it. I don't know why I would expect such a silly thing on a forum. My mistake.
I'm also not offended - I said that your response was kind of insulting, not that I was insulted. I guess I just don't see the point of responding at all if that's all you had to say - just downvote and move on.
I am enjoying the game, i'm in my late 20s. I think the story is pretty good, not as good as the first season, but there is no way to follow up after TWD Season 1. It was just amazing. I love LEE and how he took care and protected Clementine. Now the story has shifted to play a kid growing up in the ZA. I like the new perspective, she isn't as strong as Lee and has emotional problems that she is dealing with, her guilt over Omid/Lee's death. She is afraid of getting someone else killed, she in my mind is one of the best written characters in Season 2.
She isn't the strongest character, so she isn't able to fight Zombies as well as Lee could, but that makes her much more interesting in seeing how she reacts to the situation. In the end it is only five dollars a episode. I think it is well worth the value.
Well, you're going to have to remain disappointed then, because I admittedly really didn't have any intention of discussing anything.
You have a real good day now.
Yes, and that was exactly my point. You probably should have just kept your insightful comment to yourself if you had nothing to add. But thanks for showing exactly how little respect you'll give to someone who harbors a different opinion than your own.
Uh, yeah. You're welcome.
And for the record, I don't downvote things I have no real strong feelings against, but I tend to just say something anyway. I'm sorry if that bothers you.
Kirbinator is right, they don't have all their guys working on all 4 games as once, they have separate teams making each game, plus they'd have a lot of assets for TftB already because Gearbox is probably wanting the game out as soon as it can be.
I think Christa would've been a terrible choice to be honest. Clementine IS Telltale's The Walking Dead.
Plus the story is much more personal having the Clem the protagonist, since she has seen nearly everything Lee saw. I think any other Season One character other than her would've been a really bad choice.
OP, I fully understand your point of view and respect your opinion, but let me give you a big, fat, huge thumb down for feeling this way
This forum is just full of kids. I don't care that you disagree but I feel like people read the first 3 words and than completely disregarded everything else. I mean I personally feel that this is a very realistic problem that many people are experiencing whether or not they know it. Im not saying Telltale shouldn't have killed Lee, but at least for me it is A LOT less enjoyable to play as Clementine as it was for Lee. Still think we should be playing as someone else.