Didn't you say that "we aspies tend to be annoying" ?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tend+to
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/we
By "we" you mean the other people "who's like you" too.
We: "I and the rest of a group that includes me : you and I : you and I and another or others : I and another or others not including you —used as pronoun of the first person plural."
Again: "we can't read social cues that others seem miraculously able to do." you said "we" when directed at people with autism, meaning that you are obviously talking about you "and" the other people who is autistic.
As I said, I have a few friends with autism, and it's hard for me to notice a difference between them and my normal friends unless I pay close attention.
There are many different forms of autism and even if two people are diagnosed with the same doesn't automatically mean that they will show a complete similar behavior.
There are many different forms of autism and even if two people are diagnosed with the same doesn't automatically mean that they will show a complete similar behavior.
Correction: The Dragon Ball Z English dub lied. The original version calls them Artificial Humans, although that's still kind of a weird nam… moree. But even besides all that, they were never androids at all anyway. An android is pure machine, like Android 16, but 17 and 18 might more accurately be called Cyborgs, considering they were human once.
So... yeah. Just had to show off my nerdy and pathetic Dragon Ball Z knowledge because I haven't seen an episode in like a year and it's not often I get to go off about it. You may now return to your regularly scheduled life. :P
Didn't you say that "we aspies tend to be annoying" ?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tend+to
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dict… moreionary/we
By "we" you mean the other people "who's like you" too.
We: "I and the rest of a group that includes me : you and I : you and I and another or others : I and another or others not including you —used as pronoun of the first person plural."
Again: "we can't read social cues that others seem miraculously able to do." you said "we" when directed at people with autism, meaning that you are obviously talking about you "and" the other people who is autistic.
As I said, I have a few friends with autism, and it's hard for me to notice a difference between them and my normal friends unless I pay close attention.
Oh, and the fact that some people out there states that Carlos should've punched Sarah every day since she was born is fucked up.
I don't give a shit about PewDiePie, he's got nothing to do with this.
I also don't think Sarah has autism, I don't hate her, but I do find the 'I just met you, let's be BFFs forever' a bit off putting for me, I know she hasn't met a girl her age in ages and is probably excited, I guess it just comes down to my personality. I still like her and treat her nicely.
The only time I found her to be annoying was when Sarah talked during Carver's speech even after I told her that we will talk later, It's a pet peeve of mine, I hate it when people talk when someone else is talking or giving a speech, yea, I know Carver is a bad guy and doesn't deserve the respect. But Sarah should know to keep quiet, wasn't she having a nervous break down when Carver came to the cabin? Why is she suddenly so comfortable with talking while the scary guy is giving his epic speech? It's writing inconsistencies/ manufactured drama rather than Sarah's problem IMO.
She is still an interesting character and I am looking forward to seeing her grow stronger.
His summarisation of Sarah after playing In Harm's Way was "a little bitch" and didn't elaborate on why he was helpful to her. Pewdiepie may have cultivated a gargantuan online following and, yeah, he certainly seems like a decent, philanthropic fellow outside of his gaming interests, but some of his persona seems to directly reflective the archetypal insensitive rancid turd of video gamers.
In Pewdiepie's defense, he was nice to her in-game. So yeah, sorta like how he was to Ben and duck as well. And how he sorta is to Nick.
… more Pewdiepie: Omg, I hate you Ben, you useless little kid, I keep telling you time and time again yet you repeat the mistakes. *saves him* *later asks him to accompany him in end of EP4*
Pewdiepie: Yay, Duck is bitten *Defends Duck against Larry*
Pewdiepie: OMG, NICK WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!! *Walter, Nick is a good man*
Pewdiepie: This little girl sarah, I don't like her, she should toughen up and grow up. *comforts her* *helps her with the task*
It's sorta an ongoing trend with him regarding walking dead games. I guess in a way, he'll get annoyed, but doesn't want to let it reflect his gameplay actions. for what it's worth.
LOL, no, it's a different country where drought and overpopulation result in a dictator trying to kill every child born after the second child for the conservation of resources. The books are written by Margaret Peterson Haddix?
That instance of Sarah speaking to Clementine when it was abundantly clear it was the wrong time was a subtle example of autism being a possible factor. People with autism generally struggle to read and adapt to social situations, so while it was obvious to Clementine that speaking during Carver's speech was punishable, to Sarah it didn't register at all. Had Telltale clearly outlined Sarah being autistic, however, it would have made the slap Carlos administered even more controversial and cringeworthy.
As for Sarah's clinginess, I agree that it's immediately off putting. It occurs after Clementine is turned on by the stray dog after showing some kindness; as with the dog, you know that at some point the deal of friendship Clementine does or doesn't make with Sarah could come back and bite in the end.
I also don't think Sarah has autism, I don't hate her, but I do find the 'I just met you, let's be BFFs forever' a bit off putting for me, I… more know she hasn't met a girl her age in ages and is probably excited, I guess it just comes down to my personality. I still like her and treat her nicely.
The only time I found her to be annoying was when Sarah talked during Carver's speech even after I told her that we will talk later, It's a pet peeve of mine, I hate it when people talk when someone else is talking or giving a speech, yea, I know Carver is a bad guy and doesn't deserve the respect. But Sarah should know to keep quiet, wasn't she having a nervous break down when Carver came to the cabin? Why is she suddenly so comfortable with talking while the scary guy is giving his epic speech? It's writing inconsistencies/ manufactured drama rather than Sarah's problem IMO.
She is still an interesting character and I am looking forward to seeing her grow stronger.
Hmm, I don't remember him saying exactly. And elaborate why he was helping her? Why should he elaborate on why he's helping her?
The archetypal insensitive rancid turd of video gamers? For a moment there I thought you were talking about somebody like DSP or something. I dunno how complaining a little about a character is reflective of that? Walking dead or otherwise games, I've almost never seen him say things along the lines of "Omg, that's bullshit from the game, this wasn't my fault." or anything similiar. Or complain about mostly anything else for that matter(Except rage games, which were made to rage on and to be complained about :p )
His summarisation of Sarah after playing In Harm's Way was "a little bitch" and didn't elaborate on why he was helpful to her. Pewdiepie may… more have cultivated a gargantuan online following and, yeah, he certainly seems like a decent, philanthropic fellow outside of his gaming interests, but some of his persona seems to directly reflective the archetypal insensitive rancid turd of video gamers.
I do understand autism. However, While some of Sarah's action could be interpreted as a symptom of autism, looking at her as a whole, I don't think it is ASD, social developmental problems are not exclusive to autism. I do think that her character is designed to have some sort of mental disorder though, perhaps the writers are not conforming her to a single particular one as they don't want to flesh it out too much to keep it more subtle.
It doesn't make it less annoying though, I can sympathise, but I can still find it annoying, I can't help how I feel, like I said, it's just a pet peeve of mine.
That instance of Sarah speaking to Clementine when it was abundantly clear it was the wrong time was a subtle example of autism being a poss… moreible factor. People with autism generally struggle to read and adapt to social situations, so while it was obvious to Clementine that speaking during Carver's speech was punishable, to Sarah it didn't register at all. Had Telltale clearly outlined Sarah being autistic, however, it would have made the slap Carlos administered even more controversial and cringeworthy.
As for Sarah's clinginess, I agree that it's immediately off putting. It occurs after Clementine is turned on by the stray dog after showing some kindness; as with the dog, you know that at some point the deal of friendship Clementine does or doesn't make with Sarah could come back and bite in the end.
I wasn't criticising your opinion, for what it's worth, I was offering some interpretative ideas to Sarah's character. And, yeah, you're right that you can't help how you feel. Even those who dislike Sarah are entitled to voice their opinions. No biggie to me.
I do understand autism. However, While some of Sarah's action could be interpreted as a symptom of autism, looking at her as a whole, I don'… moret think it is ASD, social developmental problems are not exclusive to autism. I do think that her character is designed to have some sort of mental disorder though, perhaps the writers are not conforming her to a single particular one as they don't want to flesh it out too much to keep it more subtle.
It doesn't make it less annoying though, I can sympathise, but I can still find it annoying, I can't help how I feel, like I said, it's just a pet peeve of mine.
oh, so now everyone likes sarah? okay. just like how everyone suddenly like duck and then suddenly liked ben? people love to jump on the bandagon and be in he majority I guess....
sarah is not going to make it much longer without her dad around. that's that. so i'm not getting too attached to her. pretty much everything she has done has been annoying to me and detrimental to not just herself but others too, you can blame it on asperger's if you want but to not go on an offtopic rant, I don't think asperger's is anything but a fancy way of saying horribly awkward.
Hmm, I don't remember him saying exactly. And elaborate why he was helping her? Why should he elaborate on why he's helping her?
The ar… morechetypal insensitive rancid turd of video gamers? For a moment there I thought you were talking about somebody like DSP or something. I dunno how complaining a little about a character is reflective of that? Walking dead or otherwise games, I've almost never seen him say things along the lines of "Omg, that's bullshit from the game, this wasn't my fault." or anything similiar. Or complain about mostly anything else for that matter(Except rage games, which were made to rage on and to be complained about :p )
Lol so what do you mean Yes or No. I went to school where teachers would physically/emotionally/ whatever assault students, ok. This wasn't in downtown LA, it was small town America. It happens. I had a teacher i think it was tenth grade, who would just make fun of his students including me during class, shit happens.
Uh, no? I mean, yeah, everyone gets picked on every once in a while, but that's a whole different story than being verbally or even physically abused day after day.
I also don't think Sarah has autism, I don't hate her, but I do find the 'I just met you, let's be BFFs forever' a bit off putting for me, I… more know she hasn't met a girl her age in ages and is probably excited, I guess it just comes down to my personality. I still like her and treat her nicely.
The only time I found her to be annoying was when Sarah talked during Carver's speech even after I told her that we will talk later, It's a pet peeve of mine, I hate it when people talk when someone else is talking or giving a speech, yea, I know Carver is a bad guy and doesn't deserve the respect. But Sarah should know to keep quiet, wasn't she having a nervous break down when Carver came to the cabin? Why is she suddenly so comfortable with talking while the scary guy is giving his epic speech? It's writing inconsistencies/ manufactured drama rather than Sarah's problem IMO.
She is still an interesting character and I am looking forward to seeing her grow stronger.
UNPOPULAR OPINION ALERT. I am not fond of Sarah. Not because of whatever disorder she has, but because she exhibits traits that I just don't like in a person. I immediately disliked her when she forced her friendship on Clem, and then locked her into that friendship with the pinky promise. She was just overly friendly, and personally, I don't like people like that. I know the pinky promise was probably supposed to be cute, but it just put me off to her. Clem has been through a lot, and the smart thing to do is to be wary of everyone until you get to know them well enough to call them "friend".
It's the same when Clem is sent to watch Sarah while Carlos and the group are out. She immediately crowds Clem with the camera, and begs her to teach her to use the gun. Then she just loses it when Carver comes by, and doesn't even remember who he was. How do you not remember who the leader of your previous camp was, yeah, she was sheltered, but you had to have come in contact with him at some point. Fast forward to being kidnapped by Carver, in my play through I was more apathetic towards Sarah so when she got upset that she was separated from her dad, I gave her the tough love approach and told her to grow up. She responds just like anyone would if they were told that ("Don't tell me what to do, I'm older than you etc) but then she goes on to say to Clem that at least she wasn't the one who got hit. That was out of line in my eyes.
Next came when Carver was speaking to the group the next day in the pen. Sarah appears to be completely oblivious to the fact that everyone is quiet/listening to Carver when he is speaking, and when told to be quiet she says "ok", but then 3 seconds later starts talking again. I was exasperated with her at this point, and though she didn't deserve to be hit by any means, she definitely needed a stern talking to. I felt bad that she got hit, but I wasn't going to help her with a chore as simple as trimming frickin' berries and leaves. I've said it before in another thread, this chore requires almost no thought process at all, she can be upset about her father hitting her and do the chore at the same time, it's called going on auto pilot.
My opinion of her may have improved if she at least attempted to speak up and say it was her fault that the chore wasn't finished, and not Reggie's, but she didn't say a word. I know she was scared, but I'm sure Clem and Reggie were just as scared too. I get it, it really upset her that her father hit her, but she had to know that if she didn't do her chores, both Sarah and the group would be punished even more. In the end, I know Sarah is a sweet girl who just really wants to be Clem's friend, and she means well..but I just don't like her. I'd like to, but I don't. I don't think she is going to survive, she's not made to make it in the apocalypse. She said so before, that even when she's mad she doesn't want to hurt anyone. She's too kindhearted, just like Sophia and Mika were in the tv show, who both died. I don't want her to die, but I won't be surprised when she does.
I fully support the theory that Sarah is autistic--I tried to talk about it in another thread once but got a lot of hate. I don't know. It's not confirmed or denied, so it might not be true, but there's also no reason to knock it--personally, I put more stock in the opinions of actual autistic fans on whether or not she is, than those from people who aren't. I'm not on the spectrum myself but I do get panic attacks so I relate to her a lot in that respect, and I think that's part of why I sympathize with her so much.
I think it's very important to have characters like her and Nick (who I believe from personal experience has clinical depression) because neuroatypical representation matters to a lot of us! I've seen a ton of love for these characters, and that love almost always stems from people who see themselves in them and feel a great appreciation for the presence of a character they can relate to on such a personal level.
However, I've also seen a lot of hate for them, and that frustrates me and also scares me a little. Just like you said, with people calling Sarah "stupid" and "annoying" and acting like she needs to toughen up, and stuff with Nick, too, call him "whiny" and a "screw up." It makes me worry about how someone would treat ME in a scenario like that, if I was exhibiting a symptom that I can't necessarily control and didn't mean any harm by.
Like... I've seen people blaming *Sarah *for Reggie's death, which makes absolutely NO sense. It's pointing the finger away from the abusive and manipulative adult man and laying it on a disabled girl who doesn't have a mean bone in her body and that's just so disturbing to me.
Well, in the spirit of having different opinions and just enjoying the act of typing a lot, I shall offer my own.
and then locked her into that friendship with the pinky promise. She was just way overly friendly, and personally, I don't like people like that.
Well, that is indeed a personal thing, but I hardly see how that counts as something she forces Clem into considering you can tell her that you're not her friend just yet. Clem isn't being pushed into anything she doesn't want. And personally, when I consider the fact that Sarah wanting to be her friend is probably the single nicest thing anyone has done to Clem in the past day or two, perhaps even the last two years, I find it quite silly to consider this something with a negative connotation, but like I said, that's my own personal thing. Just a matter of perspective, really. Cannibals, murderers, thieves... and a really friendly girl who likes you and wants to be your friend.
but then she goes on to say to Clem that at least she wasn't the one who got hit. That was out of line in my eyes.
Haven't heard that line, and maybe it is... but the thing is, "Grow up" is very out of line too, because it disregards one's personal feelings and pushes one's own idea of what someone should act like onto that person. Personally, I don't buy into this tough love crap that people talk about, in real life and in fiction. A lot of the time people use it to excuse what can be construed as very abusive behavior. "Oh, but it's okay, they just want me to be strong because the world is hard..." Yeah... or it can lead to insecurity and even more problems as you grow older.
I especially find it hard to buy in the context of the Walking Dead, because Lee's approach to Clementine was hardly ever "tough love", even after Chuck told him to be more proactive in ensuring her survival, and yet he's regarded as the one who taught her how to survive, whereas Christa was clearly tough with her and kept her alive for two years, and she's disliked for it a lot of the time, and I wouldn't say it's unjustified dislike either because I have my issues with Christa's attitude towards Clem too. I think one thing Lee really teaches us is that being harsh with someone is not necessarily a vital component in helping them to adjust and grow in a world that can be harsh. What matters is understanding and compassion, hence all that he did for Clem, and Clem's possible responses to Sarah when she's scared or sad. There is absolutely a time and a place for being tough, yes, but being tough doesn't have to mean disregarding one's feelings.
but she had to know that if she didn't do her chores, both Sarah and the group would be punished even more.
If you help her, she still works very slowly because she's very afraid to make a mistake. I think this shows that it's clearly more than just being sad that she was hit that she wasn't working. She clearly functions very differently from others, and as such, I'd feel extremely uncomfortable to say that she should just buckle down and do work that most people would consider easy, because she is not part of that "most people" category. And if her inability to trim the plants is a result of whatever condition she may have (I'm not educated enough in the subject to say yes or no), then I would say that it's unfair to hold that over her.
She's too kindhearted, just like Sophia and Mika were in the tv show, who both died.
Neither of them were done in by kindheartedness, though. Sophia died because she ran away in fear of walkers and got bitten. Mika was killed because her sister wasn't right in the head. She may be less adept at handling the world than others, however, I'd like to say something in regards to this whole "too kindhearted" thing, which is a pretty popular point people make with this series.
I think people tend to forget that the people who aren't kindhearted always die in this story too, and just as horribly as anyone else. It's not kindheartedness that kills you, nor is it necessarily villainy. There is no inherent difference between the two kinds of people in this world in regards to survival. That was Chuck's whole point about there no longer being "strong" people and by extension weak people, just living people. Crawford, the St. Johns, the bandits, and now Carver all threw away any kindheartedness they may have once had and were willing to do terrible things to survive. And where are they now? Dead and reviled. In the end, that's the only true difference between the good, kind people and the bad, heartless people. The former are honored and remembered fondly when they die. The latter just die, with no one to cry over their graves.
Some would say that living longer than those who die sooner is its own reward for throwing away your soft nature. I would say that in a world where a simple mistake can lead to instant death by getting bitten, regardless of how tough you are, that the length of time one survives is largely irrelevant in a world that has gone to absolute shit. Basic survival of the strong doesn't really count for anything if the life you live is not really a life. As Lee said, "we're all gonna end up one of two ways".
UNPOPULAR OPINION ALERT. I am not fond of Sarah. Not because of whatever disorder she has, but because she exhibits traits that I just don't… more like in a person. I immediately disliked her when she forced her friendship on Clem, and then locked her into that friendship with the pinky promise. She was just overly friendly, and personally, I don't like people like that. I know the pinky promise was probably supposed to be cute, but it just put me off to her. Clem has been through a lot, and the smart thing to do is to be wary of everyone until you get to know them well enough to call them "friend".
It's the same when Clem is sent to watch Sarah while Carlos and the group are out. She immediately crowds Clem with the camera, and begs her to teach her to use the gun. Then she just loses it when Carver comes by, and doesn't even remember who he was. How do you not remember who the leader of your previous camp was, yeah, she was sheltered, but you … [view original content]
Anyway, I like Sarah. I wanna keep her safe in EP4.
Maybe have Clem comfort her, talking about how harsh it was for her to see her parents as walkers.
Try to show Sarah that her dad would have wanted her to live, and that she's not alone.
"All we've got is our friendship now, Sarah. You're my best friend. We'll make it through this together. It's what our parents would have wanted."
I'm really glad you made this thread!
I fully support the theory that Sarah is autistic--I tried to talk about it in another thread once … morebut got a lot of hate. I don't know. It's not confirmed or denied, so it might not be true, but there's also no reason to knock it--personally, I put more stock in the opinions of actual autistic fans on whether or not she is, than those from people who aren't. I'm not on the spectrum myself but I do get panic attacks so I relate to her a lot in that respect, and I think that's part of why I sympathize with her so much.
I think it's very important to have characters like her and Nick (who I believe from personal experience has clinical depression) because neuroatypical representation matters to a lot of us! I've seen a ton of love for these characters, and that love almost always stems from people who see themselves in them and feel a great appreciation for the presence of a character they can relate t… [view original content]
No, Sarah is useless. I tried to help her a couple of times but she just won't change and toughen up. And not because she's autistic, I'm autistic as well but i don't need anyone to babysit me. I'm autistic because I'm anti-social. Her being alive or dead is not a matter of concern to me and no, I won't shit my pants in the ZA.
Well, that sucks... but I don't remember asking for your life story and I'm not sure what you're trying to say with it.
You said: "Everyone gets bullied"
And I said: "No"
I have to admit that there were and are times when some random person pops out of a trash can and decides it'd be great to say something rude to me, but I don't consider myself being severely bullied with it. Just "picked on".
In my opinion, there is a difference between getting bullied and being picked on - if you feel bullied or not certainly depends on the individuals character and experiences and that's exactly why I think that we won't find common ground on this topic.
Of course, we could trash this out until we find common ground, but I guess we both know that this probably won't happen.
So, let us just respect each other's opinions and part ways here.
Lol so what do you mean Yes or No. I went to school where teachers would physically/emotionally/ whatever assault students, ok. This wasn't… more in downtown LA, it was small town America. It happens. I had a teacher i think it was tenth grade, who would just make fun of his students including me during class, shit happens.
I am always helping her in what I can but when Reggie died it was a bit of her fault so I felt really bad and It was first time I was angry at her.But I will support her she will have hard time ahead and Carlos asked us to look after her couple times now he's dead but I will keep my word.Also I like her it's often funny how she talks to Clem and she's nice to everyone.
Thank you so much for making this post! I'm high-functioning autistic with major anxiety issues, and I immediatly noticed many of my traits in Sarah (like when she excitedly talked about the Christmas tree while everyone was obviously having a tense stand-off, a pretty clear example of not properly reading social cues). The way she froze up with the berries and spoke about not wanting to make a mistake really reminded me of doing cooking classes at school; I would usually either freeze up or constantly check the same thing over and over again to make sure I hadn't messed up, and wouldn't make any progress as a result
Tbh Sarah is my favourite character this season besides Clem because I relate to her so much. I doubt Telltale will confirm/deny whether she is actually autistic, but it's pretty damn obvious to someone in the same situation. (sorry about the long post, I'm just really passionate about this)
Carlos never actually said what the issue was with her. She could have Aspergers, but surely they would have taken more effort to show that? As in, Sarah would have actually told Clementine she had Asergers? No way Carlos would keep that from her, and she would have to know. That's my thought. I have a few friends with Aspergers and they for one thing, they wouldn't do the things she has done. I know it varies and is different in different people. For one thing, talking whilst Carver was talking, could be anyone. I am not against your opinion, I just don't know if it would really be that. I don't hate her anyway, it only annoyed me when she screamed when everyone was walking with the horde of walkers, but anyone would've screamed seeing their Dad die (it annoyed me but I couldn't see anyone not doing that).
Maybe people would feel more connected with Sarah if both got to share their past with each other. It seems Telltale wants us to be friends with the girl, but we hardly know a thing about her and Sarah knows absolutely nothing about Clementine. Every time we get a chance to talk to her it's either about the situation at hand or Carlos. I hope it is not too late to have these two have an actual conversation before they are involved in some life threating decision that could come up. So far I only see it as Sarah making Clementine look like a more reliable person and capable survivor, but I am hoping for more as we did teach her a few things.
Cool your jets, Rambo.
Anyway, I like Sarah. I wanna keep her safe in EP4.
Maybe have Clem comfort her, talking about how harsh it was… more for her to see her parents as walkers.
Try to show Sarah that her dad would have wanted her to live, and that she's not alone.
"All we've got is our friendship now, Sarah. You're my best friend. We'll make it through this together. It's what our parents would have wanted."
Wait a second! How the hell do you know she's autistic?! Do they say it in the game! You do know what autistic means don't you because if she was (which she isn't) she would cease to function. She wouldn't even be able to talk to Clem and the other, travel around, adapt to her surroundings etc. I'd say she might have Aspergers but honestly I think she is just really sheltered and scared.
I agree. It is actually pretty worrying that the criticism for Sarah tends to come solely from how "weak" or "annoying" she is but aside from if one subscribed to the Carver or Crawford mentality of "strong is good, weak is bad" I don't see how these are actual flaws. I can understand criticism for a lot of other characters, who one could argue actually do some selfish and mean things but Sarah is one of the few who doesn't do anything like that, yet still gets hated on for it. And blaming her for Reggie's death is just bloody ludicrous. She's not the one who threw Reggie off a damn building. And it was obvious by that point that Carver was ready to use any small slip-up on Reggie's part as an excuse to kill him.
I'm really glad you made this thread!
I fully support the theory that Sarah is autistic--I tried to talk about it in another thread once … morebut got a lot of hate. I don't know. It's not confirmed or denied, so it might not be true, but there's also no reason to knock it--personally, I put more stock in the opinions of actual autistic fans on whether or not she is, than those from people who aren't. I'm not on the spectrum myself but I do get panic attacks so I relate to her a lot in that respect, and I think that's part of why I sympathize with her so much.
I think it's very important to have characters like her and Nick (who I believe from personal experience has clinical depression) because neuroatypical representation matters to a lot of us! I've seen a ton of love for these characters, and that love almost always stems from people who see themselves in them and feel a great appreciation for the presence of a character they can relate t… [view original content]
Im not particularly fond of Sarah's character either, but i understand it as a plot device. She's panicky and ill suited to survive in TWD world. But maybe thats the point of her character as well.
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/we
By "we" you mean the other people "who's like you" too.
We: "I and the rest of a group that includes me : you and I : you and I and another or others : I and another or others not including you —used as pronoun of the first person plural."
Again: "we can't read social cues that others seem miraculously able to do." you said "we" when directed at people with autism, meaning that you are obviously talking about you "and" the other people who is autistic.
As I said, I have a few friends with autism, and it's hard for me to notice a difference between them and my normal friends unless I pay close attention.
I don't give a shit about PewDiePie, he's got nothing to do with this.
The only time I found her to be annoying was when Sarah talked during Carver's speech even after I told her that we will talk later, It's a pet peeve of mine, I hate it when people talk when someone else is talking or giving a speech, yea, I know Carver is a bad guy and doesn't deserve the respect. But Sarah should know to keep quiet, wasn't she having a nervous break down when Carver came to the cabin? Why is she suddenly so comfortable with talking while the scary guy is giving his epic speech? It's writing inconsistencies/ manufactured drama rather than Sarah's problem IMO.
She is still an interesting character and I am looking forward to seeing her grow stronger.
As for Sarah's clinginess, I agree that it's immediately off putting. It occurs after Clementine is turned on by the stray dog after showing some kindness; as with the dog, you know that at some point the deal of friendship Clementine does or doesn't make with Sarah could come back and bite in the end.
The archetypal insensitive rancid turd of video gamers? For a moment there I thought you were talking about somebody like DSP or something. I dunno how complaining a little about a character is reflective of that? Walking dead or otherwise games, I've almost never seen him say things along the lines of "Omg, that's bullshit from the game, this wasn't my fault." or anything similiar. Or complain about mostly anything else for that matter(Except rage games, which were made to rage on and to be complained about :p )
It doesn't make it less annoying though, I can sympathise, but I can still find it annoying, I can't help how I feel, like I said, it's just a pet peeve of mine.
Anyway, I've left elementary-school behind for a long time.
sarah is not going to make it much longer without her dad around. that's that. so i'm not getting too attached to her. pretty much everything she has done has been annoying to me and detrimental to not just herself but others too, you can blame it on asperger's if you want but to not go on an offtopic rant, I don't think asperger's is anything but a fancy way of saying horribly awkward.
this is why i thought intellectual disability.... she is very young, and behaves like kids i know with and ID.
UNPOPULAR OPINION ALERT. I am not fond of Sarah. Not because of whatever disorder she has, but because she exhibits traits that I just don't like in a person. I immediately disliked her when she forced her friendship on Clem, and then locked her into that friendship with the pinky promise. She was just overly friendly, and personally, I don't like people like that. I know the pinky promise was probably supposed to be cute, but it just put me off to her. Clem has been through a lot, and the smart thing to do is to be wary of everyone until you get to know them well enough to call them "friend".
It's the same when Clem is sent to watch Sarah while Carlos and the group are out. She immediately crowds Clem with the camera, and begs her to teach her to use the gun. Then she just loses it when Carver comes by, and doesn't even remember who he was. How do you not remember who the leader of your previous camp was, yeah, she was sheltered, but you had to have come in contact with him at some point. Fast forward to being kidnapped by Carver, in my play through I was more apathetic towards Sarah so when she got upset that she was separated from her dad, I gave her the tough love approach and told her to grow up. She responds just like anyone would if they were told that ("Don't tell me what to do, I'm older than you etc) but then she goes on to say to Clem that at least she wasn't the one who got hit. That was out of line in my eyes.
Next came when Carver was speaking to the group the next day in the pen. Sarah appears to be completely oblivious to the fact that everyone is quiet/listening to Carver when he is speaking, and when told to be quiet she says "ok", but then 3 seconds later starts talking again. I was exasperated with her at this point, and though she didn't deserve to be hit by any means, she definitely needed a stern talking to. I felt bad that she got hit, but I wasn't going to help her with a chore as simple as trimming frickin' berries and leaves. I've said it before in another thread, this chore requires almost no thought process at all, she can be upset about her father hitting her and do the chore at the same time, it's called going on auto pilot.
My opinion of her may have improved if she at least attempted to speak up and say it was her fault that the chore wasn't finished, and not Reggie's, but she didn't say a word. I know she was scared, but I'm sure Clem and Reggie were just as scared too. I get it, it really upset her that her father hit her, but she had to know that if she didn't do her chores, both Sarah and the group would be punished even more. In the end, I know Sarah is a sweet girl who just really wants to be Clem's friend, and she means well..but I just don't like her. I'd like to, but I don't. I don't think she is going to survive, she's not made to make it in the apocalypse. She said so before, that even when she's mad she doesn't want to hurt anyone. She's too kindhearted, just like Sophia and Mika were in the tv show, who both died. I don't want her to die, but I won't be surprised when she does.
I'm really glad you made this thread!
I fully support the theory that Sarah is autistic--I tried to talk about it in another thread once but got a lot of hate. I don't know. It's not confirmed or denied, so it might not be true, but there's also no reason to knock it--personally, I put more stock in the opinions of actual autistic fans on whether or not she is, than those from people who aren't. I'm not on the spectrum myself but I do get panic attacks so I relate to her a lot in that respect, and I think that's part of why I sympathize with her so much.
I think it's very important to have characters like her and Nick (who I believe from personal experience has clinical depression) because neuroatypical representation matters to a lot of us! I've seen a ton of love for these characters, and that love almost always stems from people who see themselves in them and feel a great appreciation for the presence of a character they can relate to on such a personal level.
However, I've also seen a lot of hate for them, and that frustrates me and also scares me a little. Just like you said, with people calling Sarah "stupid" and "annoying" and acting like she needs to toughen up, and stuff with Nick, too, call him "whiny" and a "screw up." It makes me worry about how someone would treat ME in a scenario like that, if I was exhibiting a symptom that I can't necessarily control and didn't mean any harm by.
Like... I've seen people blaming *Sarah *for Reggie's death, which makes absolutely NO sense. It's pointing the finger away from the abusive and manipulative adult man and laying it on a disabled girl who doesn't have a mean bone in her body and that's just so disturbing to me.
Well, in the spirit of having different opinions and just enjoying the act of typing a lot, I shall offer my own.
Well, that is indeed a personal thing, but I hardly see how that counts as something she forces Clem into considering you can tell her that you're not her friend just yet. Clem isn't being pushed into anything she doesn't want. And personally, when I consider the fact that Sarah wanting to be her friend is probably the single nicest thing anyone has done to Clem in the past day or two, perhaps even the last two years, I find it quite silly to consider this something with a negative connotation, but like I said, that's my own personal thing. Just a matter of perspective, really. Cannibals, murderers, thieves... and a really friendly girl who likes you and wants to be your friend.
Haven't heard that line, and maybe it is... but the thing is, "Grow up" is very out of line too, because it disregards one's personal feelings and pushes one's own idea of what someone should act like onto that person. Personally, I don't buy into this tough love crap that people talk about, in real life and in fiction. A lot of the time people use it to excuse what can be construed as very abusive behavior. "Oh, but it's okay, they just want me to be strong because the world is hard..." Yeah... or it can lead to insecurity and even more problems as you grow older.
I especially find it hard to buy in the context of the Walking Dead, because Lee's approach to Clementine was hardly ever "tough love", even after Chuck told him to be more proactive in ensuring her survival, and yet he's regarded as the one who taught her how to survive, whereas Christa was clearly tough with her and kept her alive for two years, and she's disliked for it a lot of the time, and I wouldn't say it's unjustified dislike either because I have my issues with Christa's attitude towards Clem too. I think one thing Lee really teaches us is that being harsh with someone is not necessarily a vital component in helping them to adjust and grow in a world that can be harsh. What matters is understanding and compassion, hence all that he did for Clem, and Clem's possible responses to Sarah when she's scared or sad. There is absolutely a time and a place for being tough, yes, but being tough doesn't have to mean disregarding one's feelings.
If you help her, she still works very slowly because she's very afraid to make a mistake. I think this shows that it's clearly more than just being sad that she was hit that she wasn't working. She clearly functions very differently from others, and as such, I'd feel extremely uncomfortable to say that she should just buckle down and do work that most people would consider easy, because she is not part of that "most people" category. And if her inability to trim the plants is a result of whatever condition she may have (I'm not educated enough in the subject to say yes or no), then I would say that it's unfair to hold that over her.
Neither of them were done in by kindheartedness, though. Sophia died because she ran away in fear of walkers and got bitten. Mika was killed because her sister wasn't right in the head. She may be less adept at handling the world than others, however, I'd like to say something in regards to this whole "too kindhearted" thing, which is a pretty popular point people make with this series.
I think people tend to forget that the people who aren't kindhearted always die in this story too, and just as horribly as anyone else. It's not kindheartedness that kills you, nor is it necessarily villainy. There is no inherent difference between the two kinds of people in this world in regards to survival. That was Chuck's whole point about there no longer being "strong" people and by extension weak people, just living people. Crawford, the St. Johns, the bandits, and now Carver all threw away any kindheartedness they may have once had and were willing to do terrible things to survive. And where are they now? Dead and reviled. In the end, that's the only true difference between the good, kind people and the bad, heartless people. The former are honored and remembered fondly when they die. The latter just die, with no one to cry over their graves.
Some would say that living longer than those who die sooner is its own reward for throwing away your soft nature. I would say that in a world where a simple mistake can lead to instant death by getting bitten, regardless of how tough you are, that the length of time one survives is largely irrelevant in a world that has gone to absolute shit. Basic survival of the strong doesn't really count for anything if the life you live is not really a life. As Lee said, "we're all gonna end up one of two ways".
Cool your jets, Rambo.
Anyway, I like Sarah. I wanna keep her safe in EP4.
Maybe have Clem comfort her, talking about how harsh it was for her to see her parents as walkers.
Try to show Sarah that her dad would have wanted her to live, and that she's not alone.
"All we've got is our friendship now, Sarah. You're my best friend. We'll make it through this together. It's what our parents would have wanted."
Stereotype and invalid comment.
You're right. I agree with you as well.
Sarah is probably my fave character right now, because I'm an aspie too.
No, Sarah is useless. I tried to help her a couple of times but she just won't change and toughen up. And not because she's autistic, I'm autistic as well but i don't need anyone to babysit me. I'm autistic because I'm anti-social. Her being alive or dead is not a matter of concern to me and no, I won't shit my pants in the ZA.
Well, that sucks... but I don't remember asking for your life story and I'm not sure what you're trying to say with it.
You said: "Everyone gets bullied"
And I said: "No"
I have to admit that there were and are times when some random person pops out of a trash can and decides it'd be great to say something rude to me, but I don't consider myself being severely bullied with it. Just "picked on".
In my opinion, there is a difference between getting bullied and being picked on - if you feel bullied or not certainly depends on the individuals character and experiences and that's exactly why I think that we won't find common ground on this topic.
Of course, we could trash this out until we find common ground, but I guess we both know that this probably won't happen.
So, let us just respect each other's opinions and part ways here.
I am always helping her in what I can but when Reggie died it was a bit of her fault so I felt really bad and It was first time I was angry at her.But I will support her she will have hard time ahead and Carlos asked us to look after her couple times now he's dead but I will keep my word.Also I like her it's often funny how she talks to Clem and she's nice to everyone.
Thank you so much for making this post! I'm high-functioning autistic with major anxiety issues, and I immediatly noticed many of my traits in Sarah (like when she excitedly talked about the Christmas tree while everyone was obviously having a tense stand-off, a pretty clear example of not properly reading social cues). The way she froze up with the berries and spoke about not wanting to make a mistake really reminded me of doing cooking classes at school; I would usually either freeze up or constantly check the same thing over and over again to make sure I hadn't messed up, and wouldn't make any progress as a result
Tbh Sarah is my favourite character this season besides Clem because I relate to her so much. I doubt Telltale will confirm/deny whether she is actually autistic, but it's pretty damn obvious to someone in the same situation. (sorry about the long post, I'm just really passionate about this)
Carlos never actually said what the issue was with her. She could have Aspergers, but surely they would have taken more effort to show that? As in, Sarah would have actually told Clementine she had Asergers? No way Carlos would keep that from her, and she would have to know. That's my thought. I have a few friends with Aspergers and they for one thing, they wouldn't do the things she has done. I know it varies and is different in different people. For one thing, talking whilst Carver was talking, could be anyone. I am not against your opinion, I just don't know if it would really be that. I don't hate her anyway, it only annoyed me when she screamed when everyone was walking with the horde of walkers, but anyone would've screamed seeing their Dad die (it annoyed me but I couldn't see anyone not doing that).
Maybe people would feel more connected with Sarah if both got to share their past with each other. It seems Telltale wants us to be friends with the girl, but we hardly know a thing about her and Sarah knows absolutely nothing about Clementine. Every time we get a chance to talk to her it's either about the situation at hand or Carlos. I hope it is not too late to have these two have an actual conversation before they are involved in some life threating decision that could come up. So far I only see it as Sarah making Clementine look like a more reliable person and capable survivor, but I am hoping for more as we did teach her a few things.
If Clem actually says something like that, my heart will just melt.
Wait a second! How the hell do you know she's autistic?! Do they say it in the game! You do know what autistic means don't you because if she was (which she isn't) she would cease to function. She wouldn't even be able to talk to Clem and the other, travel around, adapt to her surroundings etc. I'd say she might have Aspergers but honestly I think she is just really sheltered and scared.
I agree. It is actually pretty worrying that the criticism for Sarah tends to come solely from how "weak" or "annoying" she is but aside from if one subscribed to the Carver or Crawford mentality of "strong is good, weak is bad" I don't see how these are actual flaws. I can understand criticism for a lot of other characters, who one could argue actually do some selfish and mean things but Sarah is one of the few who doesn't do anything like that, yet still gets hated on for it. And blaming her for Reggie's death is just bloody ludicrous. She's not the one who threw Reggie off a damn building. And it was obvious by that point that Carver was ready to use any small slip-up on Reggie's part as an excuse to kill him.
Im not particularly fond of Sarah's character either, but i understand it as a plot device. She's panicky and ill suited to survive in TWD world. But maybe thats the point of her character as well.