Hey i love Sarah, i admit i didn't think much of her in the first two episodes, but she really broke through my emotional wall in episode 3. I am not trying to be rude or disrespectful, so don't take what i was saying that way. I don't think she has autism or any think like that, i feel she is just really sheltered.
Well, that sucks... but I don't remember asking for your life story and I'm not sure what you're trying to say with it.
You said: "Everyo… morene gets bullied"
And I said: "No"
I have to admit that there were and are times when some random person pops out of a trash can and decides it'd be great to say something rude to me, but I don't consider myself being severely bullied with it. Just "picked on".
In my opinion, there is a difference between getting bullied and being picked on - if you feel bullied or not certainly depends on the individuals character and experiences and that's exactly why I think that we won't find common ground on this topic.
Of course, we could trash this out until we find common ground, but I guess we both know that this probably won't happen.
So, let us just respect each other's opinions and part ways here.
this is one of the most stupid threads ever created on WD, if i was a hypercondriac i would agree with the OP,but im not so won't,there is no way Sarah is autistic,it's soooooo stupid it's beyond words,clearly shes been sheltered by Carlos for much of her life and has not seen life in Clementines way or anyone elses
this is one of the most stupid threads ever created on WD, if i was a hypercondriac i would agree with the OP,but im not so won't,there is n… moreo way Sarah is autistic,it's soooooo stupid it's beyond words,clearly shes been sheltered by Carlos for much of her life and has not seen life in Clementines way or anyone elses
Exactly, to both points. As I said before, I am friends with a two people who have Aspergers and have known others. One thing they are not is stupid. Fair enough some may be socially awkward, but that's not the same as being stupid or childish. Not that Sarah is stupid btw-its just some people would say she was. Fact is, someone with Aspegers would still have this common sense thing that everyone is talking about. Maybe even more so than someone without Asergers.
The guy who invented Pokemon has Aspergers , and he is one of the richest people alive, so I definitely agree they are just as talented as anyone else. i think of Sarah as a kid. I think a lot of people forget she is just fifteen. I wasn't intelligent at fifteen. I was a fifteen year old version of Duck. Now that i am older, i look at the things differently. You can tell that Sarah is intentionally kept in the dark about everything, (remember the part when they were going to discuss Clementine in the shed, and someone asked "where is Sarah,?" Carlos replied she doesn't need to be a part of this.") by over protective father Carlos. I am not saying Carlos was wrong to be overprotective of his daughter, because that is how things are when you have kids. Unfortunately it leaves Sarah unprepared for dealing with the dangers of the Zombie Apocalypse.
Exactly, to both points. As I said before, I am friends with a two people who have Aspergers and have known others. One thing they are not i… mores stupid. Fair enough some may be socially awkward, but that's not the same as being stupid or childish. Not that Sarah is stupid btw-its just some people would say she was. Fact is, someone with Aspegers would still have this common sense thing that everyone is talking about. Maybe even more so than someone without Asergers.
... when did I ever say a stereotype? All I said is that I support autistic fans having autistic headcanons. There's no stereotype there. And if you're talking about me thinking Nick has depression, that's because I have depression. That's my personal experience. That's why it's important to me.
And how is my comment invalid? Why is it even a negative thing that I think it's important to have representation of neuroatypical characters? How is it a problem that I think it's cool to find characters you can relate to?
The fact I'm getting backlash and downvotes for this is strange to me because I made a thread about Nick having depression and most people in there agreed and supported the theory. So what's changed here?
She has Anxiety issues. This is the Apocalypse. Fuck Sarah. She is a useless piece of shit that is gonna get someone killed. She pretty much is the reason Sarita got bit. Her and Nick are the new Ben. Two in one season. She may be Autistic, have Anxiety issues. Look at it as a Survival POV. She got Reggie killed. Maybe i'm wrong and she redeems herself in 204, Maybe i'm being a dick. I don't know.
I will never understand people who dislike her. Wasn't Sarah one of the only two people who treated Clementine nice in the beginning? (along with Uncle Pete) I will cry my heart out if she dies! T_T
Individuals afflicted with Asperger's ("Aspie" is an inflammatory term that belongs in the same category as "nigger" or "kike", TBH) can often be highly intelligent, but their condition also tends to heighten emotional vulnerability - which is why trolls love to target them.
Because you "stereotyped" that all Autistic people are the same, where not. Where not all fuck ups like Sarah. And I like Sarah so I'm not hating on her, but she is a fuckup. Not bigger than Ben though.
... when did I ever say a stereotype? All I said is that I support autistic fans having autistic headcanons. There's no stereotype there. An… mored if you're talking about me thinking Nick has depression, that's because I have depression. That's my personal experience. That's why it's important to me.
And how is my comment invalid? Why is it even a negative thing that I think it's important to have representation of neuroatypical characters? How is it a problem that I think it's cool to find characters you can relate to?
The fact I'm getting backlash and downvotes for this is strange to me because I made a thread about Nick having depression and most people in there agreed and supported the theory. So what's changed here?
Yeah, one would think that with how cruel Carlos, Rebecca and Nick were in the beginning, a girl offering her friendship and helping you disinfect your wound would be seen, as, y'know, nice... I will be heartbroken if she dies too and storywise it will seem like a waste to kill her off before she can become a good survivor.
I will never understand people who dislike her. Wasn't Sarah one of the only two people who treated Clementine nice in the beginning? (along with Uncle Pete) I will cry my heart out if she dies! T_T
Please don't call Sarah a fuck up. She's not a fuck up.
I never said all autistic people are the same. I never even implied that? I just said that a lot of autistic fans I've spoken to see her as autistic, and I support them. I'm not autistic so I don't think it's my position to say whether or not that she is. In a situation like this, my status as a non-autistic person means I have to take a step back and respect the opinions of autistic fans.
So if you, as someone with autism, don't think she is, I'll respect that. You know more about it than I ever will in my entire life and you automatically have more validity than I do to speak on that subject. But I also respect the opinions of the people who believe she IS, because like I said before, I think representation matters a lot. I look to Nick as representation (and Sarah as well to a degree because of her anxiety), and that gives me a lot of comfort, so if autistic fans want to look to Sarah the same way then I will support that 100%.
Because you "stereotyped" that all Autistic people are the same, where not. Where not all fuck ups like Sarah. And I like Sarah so I'm not hating on her, but she is a fuckup. Not bigger than Ben though.
i think people see themselves in the different characters and they want the characters to represent them also whether it's race,looks,charateristics,traits,this is a hot issue because people see traits of Sarahs character in them who are maybe austistic or have aspergers ,@Vixvicco agree she isnt stupid and sorry if my comment came across that way
Individuals afflicted with Asperger's ("Aspie" is an inflammatory term that belongs in the same category as "nigger" or "kike", TBH) can oft… moreen be highly intelligent, but their condition also tends to heighten emotional vulnerability - which is why trolls love to target them.
But that's the problem; Sarah DOESN'T really behave as someone who has Asperger's. DomeWing333 already pointed out a couple of reasons why. Mildly autistic people tend to avoid social interaction altogether, which makes Sarah's clingy nature a little out of character. The whole "be my friend!" scene between Clem and Sarah in episode 1 ended up backfiring, as most players found her to be more creepy than enduring.
I have a sneaking suspicion Telltale did some cursory research on autism/Asperger's without really coming to terms with how it precisely operates and affects a person's behaviour...and that's okay. They almost get everything else right most of the time, so they're entitled to a few misfires. But in Sarah's case, better knowledge about how Asperger's works as a medical condition would have greatly benefited how she was written.
i think people see themselves in the different characters and they want the characters to represent them also whether it's race,looks,charat… moreeristics,traits,this is a hot issue because people see traits of Sarahs character in them who are maybe austistic or have aspergers ,@Vixvicco agree she isnt stupid and sorry if my comment came across that way
@Clemmy1, oh no I didn't think you meant that. I understand your meaning, it was more other people in previous comments and I also didn't to want imply that I was saying that myself.
i think people see themselves in the different characters and they want the characters to represent them also whether it's race,looks,charat… moreeristics,traits,this is a hot issue because people see traits of Sarahs character in them who are maybe austistic or have aspergers ,@Vixvicco agree she isnt stupid and sorry if my comment came across that way
Actually, Kenny is pretty much the reason Sarita got bit, since he wasted a ton of the group's time killing Carver in an unnecessarily brutal and longwinded manner, time during which they could've easily gotten past the herd long before Tavia and co. started shooting everyone. Just saying.
At the very least, Kenny was way more responsible for Sarita getting bit than Sarah was.
She has Anxiety issues. This is the Apocalypse. Fuck Sarah. She is a useless piece of shit that is gonna get someone killed. She pretty much… more is the reason Sarita got bit. Her and Nick are the new Ben. Two in one season. She may be Autistic, have Anxiety issues. Look at it as a Survival POV. She got Reggie killed. Maybe i'm wrong and she redeems herself in 204, Maybe i'm being a dick. I don't know.
But she fuckin' isn't. Wtf is the definition of Autism, mate? Fuckin' can't look people in eye and it makes it hard to talk to people, mofo ass Sarah did look Clem in the eye so there you have it children, she is not. Good day.
Please don't call Sarah a fuck up. She's not a fuck up.
I never said all autistic people are the same. I never even implied that? I just … moresaid that a lot of autistic fans I've spoken to see her as autistic, and I support them. I'm not autistic so I don't think it's my position to say whether or not that she is. In a situation like this, my status as a non-autistic person means I have to take a step back and respect the opinions of autistic fans.
So if you, as someone with autism, don't think she is, I'll respect that. You know more about it than I ever will in my entire life and you automatically have more validity than I do to speak on that subject. But I also respect the opinions of the people who believe she IS, because like I said before, I think representation matters a lot. I look to Nick as representation (and Sarah as well to a degree because of her anxiety), and that gives me a lot of comfort, so if autistic fans want to look to Sarah the same way then I will support that 100%.
Well... no offense but isn't that kind of stereotyping? Autism presents itself in many different ways. Not everyone acts the same. Her looking at Clem doesn't give you the right to get mad and invalidate people for seeing her as autistic.
Let people live, man. Just let them live and do their thing. Where's the harm in autistic fans wanting to see a character be like them? Just let them liiiiiiive.
But she fuckin' isn't. Wtf is the definition of Autism, mate? Fuckin' can't look people in eye and it makes it hard to talk to people, mofo ass Sarah did look Clem in the eye so there you have it children, she is not. Good day.
Hell, most of the time he spent hitting Carver wasn't even killing him. Carver stopped moving after the second hit. So Kenny literally spent most of that time hitting a dead guy with a crowbar.
Actually, Kenny is pretty much the reason Sarita got bit, since he wasted a ton of the group's time killing Carver in an unnecessarily bruta… morel and longwinded manner, time during which they could've easily gotten past the herd long before Tavia and co. started shooting everyone. Just saying.
At the very least, Kenny was way more responsible for Sarita getting bit than Sarah was.
Well, in the spirit of having different opinions and just enjoying the act of typing a lot, I shall offer my own.
and then locked her … moreinto that friendship with the pinky promise. She was just way overly friendly, and personally, I don't like people like that.
Well, that is indeed a personal thing, but I hardly see how that counts as something she forces Clem into considering you can tell her that you're not her friend just yet. Clem isn't being pushed into anything she doesn't want. And personally, when I consider the fact that Sarah wanting to be her friend is probably the single nicest thing anyone has done to Clem in the past day or two, perhaps even the last two years, I find it quite silly to consider this something with a negative connotation, but like I said, that's my own personal thing. Just a matter of perspective, really. Cannibals, murderers, thieves... and a really friendly girl who likes you and wants to be your fr… [view original content]
I agree. I mean, I don't know if she's autistic but it seems very possible, and besides that she's just plainly not a bad person. Being a good person is all that matters in the end. I felt like Telltale used Becca to parody all the mean internet people with her "Ew, I wish she'd stayed gone" comments. My reply to Becca would be the same as it would be to the mean internets: "Everyone deals with stuff in their own way. At least Sarah isn't hurting anyone. You could actually learn a thing or two from her."
Sarah still is pretty responsible. Screaming and shouting and crying got us noticed. It Got Sarita bit. And if you leave with Sarita, he doesn't take "A ton of time"
Actually, Kenny is pretty much the reason Sarita got bit, since he wasted a ton of the group's time killing Carver in an unnecessarily bruta… morel and longwinded manner, time during which they could've easily gotten past the herd long before Tavia and co. started shooting everyone. Just saying.
At the very least, Kenny was way more responsible for Sarita getting bit than Sarah was.
not all people on the spectrum avoid social interaction, and most want friends, but non verbal communications skills are a problem. aspergers is not a medical condiitons
But that's the problem; Sarah DOESN'T really behave as someone who has Asperger's. DomeWing333 already pointed out a couple of reasons why. … moreMildly autistic people tend to avoid social interaction altogether, which makes Sarah's clingy nature a little out of character. The whole "be my friend!" scene between Clem and Sarah in episode 1 ended up backfiring, as most players found her to be more creepy than enduring.
I have a sneaking suspicion Telltale did some cursory research on autism/Asperger's without really coming to terms with how it precisely operates and affects a person's behaviour...and that's okay. They almost get everything else right most of the time, so they're entitled to a few misfires. But in Sarah's case, better knowledge about how Asperger's works as a medical condition would have greatly benefited how she was written.
I like Sarah she's ok in my book,I just don't get some of the choices she made.Like when she was interrupting Carver's speech and she got hit,wouldn't she knew she shouldn't have done that since she very well knows how Carver is.Same in the greenhouse she just got hit,which should've got her motivated to do her work but she was still sulking.But like I said I like her character just some things I don't like about her.
ive done made my point about my hatred for Sarah three times today so im gonna say this sitting on the floor in the fetal position every time something happens wont save you when you have 10 walkers around you
Kenny wastes at least 5 minutes of everyone's time standing over Carver dramatically and letting them ineffectually try to convince him not to be so unnecessarily dramatic in killing him, regardless of choice. And then another minute or so is wasted when Troy catches them thanks to Kenny holding everyone up.
Sarah still is pretty responsible. Screaming and shouting and crying got us noticed. It Got Sarita bit. And if you leave with Sarita, he doesn't take "A ton of time"
Kenny wastes at least 5 minutes of everyone's time standing over Carver dramatically and letting them ineffectually try to convince him not … moreto be so unnecessarily dramatic in killing him, regardless of choice. And then another minute or so is wasted when Troy catches them thanks to Kenny holding everyone up.
What does Kenny have to do with this? Oh, my Avatar. As long as Kenny's alive, he'll be my Avatar. 5 minutes? Kenny didn't get her bit, Sarah's screaming did.
Kenny wastes at least 5 minutes of everyone's time standing over Carver dramatically and letting them ineffectually try to convince him not … moreto be so unnecessarily dramatic in killing him, regardless of choice. And then another minute or so is wasted when Troy catches them thanks to Kenny holding everyone up.
Did you count all the time the group wastes trying to convince him to just shoot him? Or the time he spends menacingly standing over Carver? Or the time they waste after Troy catches them thanks to Kenny's lolly-gagging?
It's simple, really. Carlos wouldn't have gotten shot had the group not been held up by Kenny, meaning Sarah wouldn't have broken down and Sarita wouldn't have been bitten.
What does Kenny have to do with this? Oh, my Avatar. As long as Kenny's alive, he'll be my Avatar. 5 minutes? Kenny didn't get her bit, Sarah's screaming did.
To be fair, I don't think Sarah actually knew how Carver was. Rebecca and Bonnie both imply that Carver was nowhere near as bad in the past as he was when we saw him. "...he wasn't always like this."
I like Sarah she's ok in my book,I just don't get some of the choices she made.Like when she was interrupting Carver's speech and she got hi… moret,wouldn't she knew she shouldn't have done that since she very well knows how Carver is.Same in the greenhouse she just got hit,which should've got her motivated to do her work but she was still sulking.But like I said I like her character just some things I don't like about her.
So you're saying Kenny is the reason Carlos was shot? Maybe it's because, one of Carver's goons thought he was, i don't know, A WALKER? But Kenny took too long and that made Carlos look like a walker and that's why he got shot.
It's simple, really. Carlos wouldn't have gotten shot had the group not been held up by Kenny, meaning Sarah wouldn't have broken down and Sarita wouldn't have been bitten.
So you're saying Kenny is the reason Carlos was shot? Maybe it's because, one of Carver's goons thought he was, i don't know, A WALKER? But Kenny took too long and that made Carlos look like a walker and that's why he got shot.
But they left when Carver was going "crazy" so that simply and clearly tells Sarah how bad he is,and if that wasn't enough then how about her own dads fingers getting broken right in front of her plus 1 or 2 helpess men executed right in front of her.
To be fair, I don't think Sarah actually knew how Carver was. Rebecca and Bonnie both imply that Carver was nowhere near as bad in the past as he was when we saw him. "...he wasn't always like this."
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Hey i love Sarah, i admit i didn't think much of her in the first two episodes, but she really broke through my emotional wall in episode 3. I am not trying to be rude or disrespectful, so don't take what i was saying that way. I don't think she has autism or any think like that, i feel she is just really sheltered.
this is one of the most stupid threads ever created on WD, if i was a hypercondriac i would agree with the OP,but im not so won't,there is no way Sarah is autistic,it's soooooo stupid it's beyond words,clearly shes been sheltered by Carlos for much of her life and has not seen life in Clementines way or anyone elses
That is pretty much what i think, she reminds me of Clementine in Season 1.
Exactly, to both points. As I said before, I am friends with a two people who have Aspergers and have known others. One thing they are not is stupid. Fair enough some may be socially awkward, but that's not the same as being stupid or childish. Not that Sarah is stupid btw-its just some people would say she was. Fact is, someone with Aspegers would still have this common sense thing that everyone is talking about. Maybe even more so than someone without Asergers.
The guy who invented Pokemon has Aspergers , and he is one of the richest people alive, so I definitely agree they are just as talented as anyone else. i think of Sarah as a kid. I think a lot of people forget she is just fifteen. I wasn't intelligent at fifteen. I was a fifteen year old version of Duck. Now that i am older, i look at the things differently. You can tell that Sarah is intentionally kept in the dark about everything, (remember the part when they were going to discuss Clementine in the shed, and someone asked "where is Sarah,?" Carlos replied she doesn't need to be a part of this.") by over protective father Carlos. I am not saying Carlos was wrong to be overprotective of his daughter, because that is how things are when you have kids. Unfortunately it leaves Sarah unprepared for dealing with the dangers of the Zombie Apocalypse.
... when did I ever say a stereotype? All I said is that I support autistic fans having autistic headcanons. There's no stereotype there. And if you're talking about me thinking Nick has depression, that's because I have depression. That's my personal experience. That's why it's important to me.
And how is my comment invalid? Why is it even a negative thing that I think it's important to have representation of neuroatypical characters? How is it a problem that I think it's cool to find characters you can relate to?
The fact I'm getting backlash and downvotes for this is strange to me because I made a thread about Nick having depression and most people in there agreed and supported the theory. So what's changed here?
She has Anxiety issues. This is the Apocalypse. Fuck Sarah. She is a useless piece of shit that is gonna get someone killed. She pretty much is the reason Sarita got bit. Her and Nick are the new Ben. Two in one season. She may be Autistic, have Anxiety issues. Look at it as a Survival POV. She got Reggie killed. Maybe i'm wrong and she redeems herself in 204, Maybe i'm being a dick. I don't know.
I will never understand people who dislike her. Wasn't Sarah one of the only two people who treated Clementine nice in the beginning? (along with Uncle Pete) I will cry my heart out if she dies! T_T
Individuals afflicted with Asperger's ("Aspie" is an inflammatory term that belongs in the same category as "nigger" or "kike", TBH) can often be highly intelligent, but their condition also tends to heighten emotional vulnerability - which is why trolls love to target them.
awh, I really like sarah. Hope she's alive for god sake
Because you "stereotyped" that all Autistic people are the same, where not. Where not all fuck ups like Sarah. And I like Sarah so I'm not hating on her, but she is a fuckup. Not bigger than Ben though.
Yeah, one would think that with how cruel Carlos, Rebecca and Nick were in the beginning, a girl offering her friendship and helping you disinfect your wound would be seen, as, y'know, nice... I will be heartbroken if she dies too and storywise it will seem like a waste to kill her off before she can become a good survivor.
Please don't call Sarah a fuck up. She's not a fuck up.
I never said all autistic people are the same. I never even implied that? I just said that a lot of autistic fans I've spoken to see her as autistic, and I support them. I'm not autistic so I don't think it's my position to say whether or not that she is. In a situation like this, my status as a non-autistic person means I have to take a step back and respect the opinions of autistic fans.
So if you, as someone with autism, don't think she is, I'll respect that. You know more about it than I ever will in my entire life and you automatically have more validity than I do to speak on that subject. But I also respect the opinions of the people who believe she IS, because like I said before, I think representation matters a lot. I look to Nick as representation (and Sarah as well to a degree because of her anxiety), and that gives me a lot of comfort, so if autistic fans want to look to Sarah the same way then I will support that 100%.
i think people see themselves in the different characters and they want the characters to represent them also whether it's race,looks,charateristics,traits,this is a hot issue because people see traits of Sarahs character in them who are maybe austistic or have aspergers ,@Vixvicco agree she isnt stupid and sorry if my comment came across that way
But that's the problem; Sarah DOESN'T really behave as someone who has Asperger's. DomeWing333 already pointed out a couple of reasons why. Mildly autistic people tend to avoid social interaction altogether, which makes Sarah's clingy nature a little out of character. The whole "be my friend!" scene between Clem and Sarah in episode 1 ended up backfiring, as most players found her to be more creepy than enduring.
I have a sneaking suspicion Telltale did some cursory research on autism/Asperger's without really coming to terms with how it precisely operates and affects a person's behaviour...and that's okay. They almost get everything else right most of the time, so they're entitled to a few misfires. But in Sarah's case, better knowledge about how Asperger's works as a medical condition would have greatly benefited how she was written.
@Clemmy1, oh no I didn't think you meant that.
I understand your meaning, it was more other people in previous comments and I also didn't to want imply that I was saying that myself.
Actually, Kenny is pretty much the reason Sarita got bit, since he wasted a ton of the group's time killing Carver in an unnecessarily brutal and longwinded manner, time during which they could've easily gotten past the herd long before Tavia and co. started shooting everyone. Just saying.
At the very least, Kenny was way more responsible for Sarita getting bit than Sarah was.
But she fuckin' isn't. Wtf is the definition of Autism, mate? Fuckin' can't look people in eye and it makes it hard to talk to people, mofo ass Sarah did look Clem in the eye so there you have it children, she is not. Good day.
she'll go badass in amid the ruins , after molly or lilly rescued her...
Well... no offense but isn't that kind of stereotyping? Autism presents itself in many different ways. Not everyone acts the same. Her looking at Clem doesn't give you the right to get mad and invalidate people for seeing her as autistic.
Let people live, man. Just let them live and do their thing. Where's the harm in autistic fans wanting to see a character be like them? Just let them liiiiiiive.
Hell, most of the time he spent hitting Carver wasn't even killing him. Carver stopped moving after the second hit. So Kenny literally spent most of that time hitting a dead guy with a crowbar.
I am in love with this post.
Sarah might not be my favorite character but i never understood all the hate for her
I agree. I mean, I don't know if she's autistic but it seems very possible, and besides that she's just plainly not a bad person. Being a good person is all that matters in the end. I felt like Telltale used Becca to parody all the mean internet people with her "Ew, I wish she'd stayed gone" comments. My reply to Becca would be the same as it would be to the mean internets: "Everyone deals with stuff in their own way. At least Sarah isn't hurting anyone. You could actually learn a thing or two from her."
Sarah still is pretty responsible. Screaming and shouting and crying got us noticed. It Got Sarita bit. And if you leave with Sarita, he doesn't take "A ton of time"
C-C-Can I be a 'Brah' senpai's?
I guess brah.
not all people on the spectrum avoid social interaction, and most want friends, but non verbal communications skills are a problem. aspergers is not a medical condiitons
I like Sarah she's ok in my book,I just don't get some of the choices she made.Like when she was interrupting Carver's speech and she got hit,wouldn't she knew she shouldn't have done that since she very well knows how Carver is.Same in the greenhouse she just got hit,which should've got her motivated to do her work but she was still sulking.But like I said I like her character just some things I don't like about her.
ive done made my point about my hatred for Sarah three times today so im gonna say this sitting on the floor in the fetal position every time something happens wont save you when you have 10 walkers around you
Kenny wastes at least 5 minutes of everyone's time standing over Carver dramatically and letting them ineffectually try to convince him not to be so unnecessarily dramatic in killing him, regardless of choice. And then another minute or so is wasted when Troy catches them thanks to Kenny holding everyone up.
He spent 25 seconds killing him, I counted. -_-
What does Kenny have to do with this? Oh, my Avatar. As long as Kenny's alive, he'll be my Avatar. 5 minutes? Kenny didn't get her bit, Sarah's screaming did.
Did you count all the time the group wastes trying to convince him to just shoot him? Or the time he spends menacingly standing over Carver? Or the time they waste after Troy catches them thanks to Kenny's lolly-gagging?
It's simple, really. Carlos wouldn't have gotten shot had the group not been held up by Kenny, meaning Sarah wouldn't have broken down and Sarita wouldn't have been bitten.
To be fair, I don't think Sarah actually knew how Carver was. Rebecca and Bonnie both imply that Carver was nowhere near as bad in the past as he was when we saw him. "...he wasn't always like this."
So you're saying Kenny is the reason Carlos was shot? Maybe it's because, one of Carver's goons thought he was, i don't know, A WALKER? But Kenny took too long and that made Carlos look like a walker and that's why he got shot.
Basically. The time Kenny unnecessarily wastes was more than enough time for the group to get through the herd before Carver's people showed up.
And you bring up a good point; shouldn't we be blaming Carver's goons more for screwing up the escape, rather than Sarah or Kenny?
But they left when Carver was going "crazy" so that simply and clearly tells Sarah how bad he is,and if that wasn't enough then how about her own dads fingers getting broken right in front of her plus 1 or 2 helpess men executed right in front of her.