Your funny, so you have a problem with Nate talking about girls with Russel. However you do not have a problem with Eddie having sex with a prostitute. To me i find that worse than what Nate has done, the girls who are prostituting aren't doing it because they want to, most often they are forced into it by either physical intimidation, most often drugs or some sort of coercion.
By him paying for sex, he isn't helping this girl. It continues the cycle of them being victimized.
My post was not only addressing you but others within the thread, I just didn't want to reply to everyone. So my "Well, there's still 2% of … morewomen..." statement was addressing the forum as a whole. And that is the response I'm met with most when I bring up the statistic so I thought I'd throw that in there just to nip it in the bud. That wasn't meant to be an attack on you, sorry if you thought it was.
As for your actual response:
I believe that the Harvard researches planned to do a female subject comparison, but I have yet to see if they've actually gone through with it.
Again, I was being lazy and trying to kill two birds with one stone by addressing the entire forum's argument on Nate as a potential rapist while also bringing up your point of men objectifying women in a reply to your post.
Was Eddie's reply a random dialog response? I can't remember getting it but I'll try to address it as best I can. If a woman has willingly b… [view original content]
If you actually took the time to read my response, you'd see that I was saying that SOME women willingly choose sex work not ALL. There are women that are forced into sex work against their will, I never said that there wasn't. The fact that you dismiss that there are women that willingly, of their own independent choice, choose sex work means that you have little knowledge about the issue at hand. These women don't view themselves as being victimized, and someone telling them that they're victims will undoubtedly piss them off.
We **do not know **the nature of the Eddie's interaction with the prostitute. If it was with a women who, of her own will and with full agency, works as a prostitute and gave consent then I see no problem with that. If it was with a women who has been forced into prostitution against her will and had sex with Eddie, then that's fucked up and he's taking advantage of someone with little to no power in the situation. However, Telltale isn't going to create a whole episode on whether Eddie actually had sex with a prostitute and what the prostitutes situation (willingly or forced into it) is in this.
And we never got clarification that Eddie was even talking about a female did we? For all we know he could be talking about a male prostitute. My response would be the same in that case, but it's heteronormative of us to automatically assume that Eddie is heterosexual and would be referring to a female prostitute.
You have your opinion on the matter and I have mine.
Your funny, so you have a problem with Nate talking about girls with Russel. However you do not have a problem with Eddie having sex with a … moreprostitute. To me i find that worse than what Nate has done, the girls who are prostituting aren't doing it because they want to, most often they are forced into it by either physical intimidation, most often drugs or some sort of coercion.
By him paying for sex, he isn't helping this girl. It continues the cycle of them being victimized.
i like nate because of what he adds to the story and how his very presence changes the atmosphere. a truly well written villain like nate isn't completely evil. nate has decent traits, he is loyal, he is protective, and he is resourceful, he also has bad traits, he is cruel, he is a thief, and he is unstable.
his character changes the very atmosphere of the game. he makes you feel uncomfortable and he keeps you guessing. if nate doesn't show up in telltale's TWD universe again. it will be a waste of arguably the best written character in the franchise. he is far more intimidating and scary than Carver and the Stranger.
here is how i would do it. in the beginning of episode 4, have Eddie join the group. then at the end have some of the characters die and be surrounded by walkers at parker's run. (the herd followed them). then just when things look at their darkest a van shows up driver unseen and you hear him say get in. everyone left opens the back doors and jumps in. then as they are driving away saying thanks to the driver. the driver turns around and asks "how ya'll doing"... driver is nate. cut too eddies face his mouth open in shock.
i did read your entire post, it doesn't matter if they are doing it Willingly our not, it is still wrong. Most prostitutes are having sex for money to fill some sort of habit, usually heroin. In stead of getting the help they need they are being victimized, you know.
You have your opinion on the matter and I have mine.
If you actually took the time to read my response, you'd see that I was saying that SOME women willingly choose sex work not ALL. There are … morewomen that are forced into sex work against their will, I never said that there wasn't. The fact that you dismiss that there are women that willingly, of their own independent choice, choose sex work means that you have little knowledge about the issue at hand. These women don't view themselves as being victimized, and someone telling them that they're victims will undoubtedly piss them off.
We **do not know **the nature of the Eddie's interaction with the prostitute. If it was with a women who, of her own will and with full agency, works as a prostitute and gave consent then I see no problem with that. If it was with a women who has been forced into prostitution against her will and had sex with Eddie, then that's fucked up and he's taking advantage of someone with little to no power in the situation.… [view original content]
Nate got extremely mad, that the old people shot at him. You know this because when Russel doesn't want to confront them , he yells something like. "THEY FING SHOT AT US." with his gork eyes, maybe he just lost his mind for a few moments and he took it a little too far. Things happen in the Zombie Apocalypse. Ask Kenny
Nate, to me looks like he's in his late 30's to early 40's.
You can definitely tell he's lived some life.
Russel, to me looks like he's … morein his late teens to early 20's.
Even if he is older, he has a youthful appearance, so determining his age is quite difficult.
If Russell is around 19 or 20, and if he were interested in a 17 year old girl for example, it wouldn't be as inappropriate, as their ages are more closely related.
i play DayZ all the time, i love the game, ever since the mod came out a long ass time ago.
that being said, i doubt people would act like that in a real zombie apocalypse. in my experience everyone in DayZ got confused and thought it was call of duty
He talks about girls as sexual objects alone with a young guy, What a horrible person , we should shoot him in the head now.
You shoul… mored play a video game called DayZ to see how human nature truly would react in the Zombie Apocalypse. Your a little delusional if you think people would help each other just like that. I also think it is unfair of you to judge Nate on line he said, and label him a rapist/misogynistic person on one line of text.
The life in the ZA is hard.
The ZA is a hard place to live, and i'll kill anyone who tries to steal my can of beans!
People would act like that in real life trust me. Imagine you are inn a starving situation and you see a guy who has supplies walks up in front of you he doesn't see you. you don't take that shot. Well when he sees you he will take that shot, I have had it happen to me time and time again, so when i run into people in that game, i either kill them or avoid them. I don't engage. Most of the time kill, i need my beans.
i play DayZ all the time, i love the game, ever since the mod came out a long ass time ago.
that being said, i doubt people would act like … morethat in a real zombie apocalypse. in my experience everyone in DayZ got confused and thought it was call of duty
You do realize , Russel isn't Clementine. You don't know how he would react to her. People like i have said, aren't black in white. "Bad" people can still care about other people, they can still do good things.
That's not surprising - seeing as the 'danger' music was playing rather loudly at the time, then add Russell's frantic protests/pleading and the zombie's grunts to that and it is hard to miss what Nate was saying (and if you're playing the game, your attention is more focused on making an immediate decision to save your skin than reading the subtitles).
'cept the Joker never gave off that pedophile vibe that Nate does.
The next episode will be very difficult to watch if Nate re-appears; especially if Sarah survived (given her age and mental troubles, she'd be the perfect target for the likes of that deranged bastard).
Going by memory here (I'm not including his attack on Eddie and Wyatt; as we don't know the details behind that).
he continuously pressured an uncomfortable Russell into giving him some juicy details about the teenaged girl he used to travel with. Sure, it's a zombie apocalypse and there's nary a woman to spend quality time with; but when a kid is clearly uncomfortable discussing something rather intimate with a perfect stranger, a respectable person backs off.
he deliberately put Russell's life in danger - twice - all for the sake of his own personal kicks. (shows the man is clearly insane).
despite Russell's contempt at the idea of slaughtering innocent people, Nate made a joke of the issue, then proceeded to kill the elderly couple (has no value for human life).
Kenny used a salt lick to kill a man who was either dead or dying so as not only to protect himself, but the three other people who were trapped in the meat locker with him and the dying man. He beat a heartless tyrant to death with a crowbar after said tyrant...
killed three innocent people.
tortured a man in front of his daughter.
beat Kenny to the point where Kenny lost an eye and may potentially suffer from brain damage from the repeated blows to his head.
had threatened to kill a small group of people who wished to leave the compound - including a very pregnant woman who may have been carrying the tyrant's own child.
Nate, on the other hand, killed two scared old people - one of which who was dying - simply because they were defending themselves against someone they clearly believed had attacked them earlier (Nate denied he was involved in the earlier attack...but I seriously have to wonder how honest he was about that). Killing them over a racist slur was uncalled for.
LOL I love that quote! If you choose the silent options he say's a few funny things too, if you don't give him an answer he say's something … morelike. "I only asked for your name Russell not who the fucking king of Norway was, but I may be being presumptious".
It's the way he say's things too. XD
Looking up the Wyatt episode, it sounds like the death of Nate's friend was completely by accident (Eddie may have mistook him for a walker and reacted instinctively - as he mentions that guys should have told them their buddy was taking a dump in the woods).
The old couple got what was coming to them, they shot first Its not like we can just take the truck into a Midas and have its tires replaced. Eddie killed Nate's friend because Eddie was high. I'd be pissed if someone killed one of my friends too.
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Your funny, so you have a problem with Nate talking about girls with Russel. However you do not have a problem with Eddie having sex with a prostitute. To me i find that worse than what Nate has done, the girls who are prostituting aren't doing it because they want to, most often they are forced into it by either physical intimidation, most often drugs or some sort of coercion.
By him paying for sex, he isn't helping this girl. It continues the cycle of them being victimized.
If you actually took the time to read my response, you'd see that I was saying that SOME women willingly choose sex work not ALL. There are women that are forced into sex work against their will, I never said that there wasn't. The fact that you dismiss that there are women that willingly, of their own independent choice, choose sex work means that you have little knowledge about the issue at hand. These women don't view themselves as being victimized, and someone telling them that they're victims will undoubtedly piss them off.
We **do not know **the nature of the Eddie's interaction with the prostitute. If it was with a women who, of her own will and with full agency, works as a prostitute and gave consent then I see no problem with that. If it was with a women who has been forced into prostitution against her will and had sex with Eddie, then that's fucked up and he's taking advantage of someone with little to no power in the situation. However, Telltale isn't going to create a whole episode on whether Eddie actually had sex with a prostitute and what the prostitutes situation (willingly or forced into it) is in this.
And we never got clarification that Eddie was even talking about a female did we? For all we know he could be talking about a male prostitute. My response would be the same in that case, but it's heteronormative of us to automatically assume that Eddie is heterosexual and would be referring to a female prostitute.
You have your opinion on the matter and I have mine.
i like nate because of what he adds to the story and how his very presence changes the atmosphere. a truly well written villain like nate isn't completely evil. nate has decent traits, he is loyal, he is protective, and he is resourceful, he also has bad traits, he is cruel, he is a thief, and he is unstable.
his character changes the very atmosphere of the game. he makes you feel uncomfortable and he keeps you guessing. if nate doesn't show up in telltale's TWD universe again. it will be a waste of arguably the best written character in the franchise. he is far more intimidating and scary than Carver and the Stranger.
here is how i would do it. in the beginning of episode 4, have Eddie join the group. then at the end have some of the characters die and be surrounded by walkers at parker's run. (the herd followed them). then just when things look at their darkest a van shows up driver unseen and you hear him say get in. everyone left opens the back doors and jumps in. then as they are driving away saying thanks to the driver. the driver turns around and asks "how ya'll doing"... driver is nate. cut too eddies face his mouth open in shock.
or they make it too wellington and nate is there.
He's realistic and abandoned the morals society forces so he can make it. They're just not needed in such a world. Also the humor.
i did read your entire post, it doesn't matter if they are doing it Willingly our not, it is still wrong. Most prostitutes are having sex for money to fill some sort of habit, usually heroin. In stead of getting the help they need they are being victimized, you know.
Pretty much
Nate got extremely mad, that the old people shot at him. You know this because when Russel doesn't want to confront them , he yells something like. "THEY FING SHOT AT US." with his gork eyes, maybe he just lost his mind for a few moments and he took it a little too far. Things happen in the Zombie Apocalypse. Ask Kenny
What is the big deal, he asked a question about a girl's boob size that wasn't even mentioned by first name. Who cares.
It would be cool and ironic if they come across Nate in a bar drinking some of the good stuff.
i play DayZ all the time, i love the game, ever since the mod came out a long ass time ago.
that being said, i doubt people would act like that in a real zombie apocalypse. in my experience everyone in DayZ got confused and thought it was call of duty
People would act like that in real life trust me. Imagine you are inn a starving situation and you see a guy who has supplies walks up in front of you he doesn't see you. you don't take that shot. Well when he sees you he will take that shot, I have had it happen to me time and time again, so when i run into people in that game, i either kill them or avoid them. I don't engage. Most of the time kill, i need my beans.
Nate is great
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you have a point. wasn't the stranger bad but just wanted to take care of clem?
very interesting...
Yeah, in his mind he was doing the right thing.
That's not surprising - seeing as the 'danger' music was playing rather loudly at the time, then add Russell's frantic protests/pleading and the zombie's grunts to that and it is hard to miss what Nate was saying (and if you're playing the game, your attention is more focused on making an immediate decision to save your skin than reading the subtitles).
'cept the Joker never gave off that pedophile vibe that Nate does.
The next episode will be very difficult to watch if Nate re-appears; especially if Sarah survived (given her age and mental troubles, she'd be the perfect target for the likes of that deranged bastard).
Going by memory here (I'm not including his attack on Eddie and Wyatt; as we don't know the details behind that).
he continuously pressured an uncomfortable Russell into giving him some juicy details about the teenaged girl he used to travel with. Sure, it's a zombie apocalypse and there's nary a woman to spend quality time with; but when a kid is clearly uncomfortable discussing something rather intimate with a perfect stranger, a respectable person backs off.
he deliberately put Russell's life in danger - twice - all for the sake of his own personal kicks. (shows the man is clearly insane).
despite Russell's contempt at the idea of slaughtering innocent people, Nate made a joke of the issue, then proceeded to kill the elderly couple (has no value for human life).
All in all, Nate is psychotic.
How can you honestly compare the two?
Kenny used a salt lick to kill a man who was either dead or dying so as not only to protect himself, but the three other people who were trapped in the meat locker with him and the dying man. He beat a heartless tyrant to death with a crowbar after said tyrant...
Nate, on the other hand, killed two scared old people - one of which who was dying - simply because they were defending themselves against someone they clearly believed had attacked them earlier (Nate denied he was involved in the earlier attack...but I seriously have to wonder how honest he was about that). Killing them over a racist slur was uncalled for.
Looking up the Wyatt episode, it sounds like the death of Nate's friend was completely by accident (Eddie may have mistook him for a walker and reacted instinctively - as he mentions that guys should have told them their buddy was taking a dump in the woods).