Who should Replace Lee as Clementine's protector?

edited May 2014 in The Walking Dead

KENNY or LUKE? WHY?

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EDIT: yeah, OF COURSE Nobody can replace Lee! I understand why some of you are saying nobody but Lee, and ya I can understand that :) But this thread was just made so I can see how many people think Kenny is better for Clem or if Luke is. And ya, I agree, Christa would be a pretty awesome protector too, but as far as we know, she's missing, so lets keep this between Kenny and Luke please. Thanks! :D

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  • I think Luke just because he is probably more mentally stable than Kenny

  • Nobody can replace the all mighty Lee!

    I guess Kenny and Christa come close, but Lee can't be replaced, maybe.

  • between Kenny or Luke :P who would you pick?

    Christa.

  • Neither. She doesn't need a protector anymore. If I HAD to chose, I guess Luke? He's more moral. Plus I fear for Kenny's mental health after what he did to Carver.

  • edited May 2014

    Eh. I don't really think either of them are really 'guardian' material in the same way Lee and Christa were. I can't say I know Luke well enough yet, and Kenny is too rash.

    I dunno.

    Kenny_Luke posted: »

    between Kenny or Luke :P who would you pick?

  • Completely agree, she's pretty much able to take care of her self at this point. Even in the last episode I got the feeling she was taking care of both Sarah and Kenny in a way.

    Spooch posted: »

    Neither. She doesn't need a protector anymore. If I HAD to chose, I guess Luke? He's more moral. Plus I fear for Kenny's mental health after what he did to Carver.

  • No one

  • I don't think she needs one anymore, she's already smarter, more stable, and more capable than anyone else in the group. But, in the interest of answering your question, Luke, because he has a calmer, more rational head on his shoulders, would help keep her from losing too much of her humanity, and because he wouldn't see her as his surrogate child (which, I don't blame Kenny for doing that, I just don't think it's what Clem needs at this point).

  • edited May 2014

    Uhh... no one? What's the point of the first season if Christa has biggest influence on Clementine? And don't tell me that because Christa took care of her 16 months. (I REALLY hated that time skip!) Yes. Christa went through so much shit: losing her husband and going through miscarriage/losing her baby somehow, she just turned bitter. But you can't tell that after a 2 minute chat at the fire. I don't think we have had enough of Christa-Clem intractions nor we did see enough of Christa in situations that would let us know her and know how she thinks and feels, to have enough material to make a judgment. Remember that station by the train and their adorable "we're a team" attitude? I don't think Clem and Christa ever reached that point.

  • edited May 2014

    I just feel like Clem and Lee were soulmates in a friendship/familial sense, and that's the saddest part of Clem's story for me: she'll never have another Lee. Lee was 100% devoted to Clem from Day 1. He was like her guardian angel. No one else ever was. And that's why I feel I have always been and always will be dissatisfied with any other guardian for Clem. They just all pale in comparison. Which is why I'm glad Clem seems pretty solidly on the path to self-reliance. But I guess maybe Clem feels differently, and everyone does need someone to take care of them (even if that someone isn't a guardian per say). So....

    Christa - I mean I guess Christa kept them both relatively safe for two years, which could indicate excellent survival skills or just good luck. But from that campfire scene, all I can really tell is that Neither Clem nor Christa seemed happy or affectionate toward each other, and I frankly wouldn't choose for Clem to go back to that dull grey kind of life with the options of Kenny and Luke available.

    Kenny - Immediately after finishing ep three, I thought I'd definitely choose Kenny for Clem, even though I hated Kenny for most of season one and still didn't trust him in A House Divided. Up until s2e3, I thought Kenny was petty and fickle. You disagree with him even once as Lee and he refuses to help save Clementine from the stranger. How could I possibly trust him with Clem? (Although, Christa also refuses to help save Clem if you don't show her Lee's bite.) Kenny's nice to Clem in A House Divided, but I knew that could end at a moment's notice if Clem disagreed with Kenny even once, and I didn't want Clem to have to walk on eggshells for the rest of her life just to stay on Kenny's good side. But then out came Kenny the Hero, taking the blame for that walkie talkie #ForClementine. Wow, has he grown as a human being, I thought. He just might be the one to take care of Clem. But then I remembered him calling her Duck in the ski lodge. I remembered his new foreign girlfriend. And I had to wonder how much of his loyalty to Clem is due to him trying to rebuild the family he lost, and how much of his loyalty will remain when he loses the illusion that his family's ever coming back.

    Luke - I've always been on the fence when it comes to the idea of Luke taking care of Clem. I really want him to be the one because he and Clem give each other warmth and fun. Luke is very understanding of Clem and she wouldn't have to walk on eggshells with him. At the lodge, he looks disappointed when she sits with Kenny, but there's no ominous "Luke will remember that" notification. He understands. (Conversely, there is a "Kenny will remember that" notification if you sit with Luke over Kenny.) But then, there was that whole thing with him locking her in the shed, which I thought for a bit might just be a fluke for Luke. But THEN, that whole walkie talkie thing happened, and he flipflopped between "let's stay and wait for our wounded" to "let's leave them behind" when the "stay" option proved unpopular. Not only that, but he didn't try anything to help Kenny or Clem when Carver and Troy beat them. Even Nick screamed for Carver to stop and Bonnie showed concern for Clem while she was lying on the ground with that cut on her face. And this makes me think Luke is a total pansy when it comes to making unpopular decisions and he may not care as much about Clem as I once thought.

    So I guess if I had to choose, it'd be Kenny. Thankfully, Clem is learning to rely on herself though, in case her relationship with Kenny ever goes sour.

  • Clementine should replace Lee as a protector of Clementine. And I'm not fucking joking, it's time that this girl gets control of her own fate.

  • Nick and Ben, they would be way better.

  • No one, she's a strong young woman able to protect herself and even protect others.

  • Hm... Christa got Omid killed (Lee can predict it in E5, not his death, but he can say that she is uncabable). Luke is to young and tells her to do dangerous thangs. Kenny is dangerous but he would protect her just like Duck, so I choose Kenny.

  • No one. Clem does'nt need a protector anymore. In fact, I think it's more like SHE can protect somebody now.

  • True. Was she sort of Sarah's protector in a way?

    Fireflow posted: »

    No one. Clem does'nt need a protector anymore. In fact, I think it's more like SHE can protect somebody now.

  • If someone is going to replace Lee, then it's nobody.
    If we are trying to find another mentor to Clementine like Lee and Christa were, I vote for Bonnie.

  • Kenny is like the overprotective "father", he will do anything to anybody if they hurt Clem. Plus his magnificent stache will deter walkers in a 500 metre proximity. Kenny all the way.

  • Oh, yes, I totaly agree.

    Kenny_Luke posted: »

    True. Was she sort of Sarah's protector in a way?

  • What he said!

    Kenny already lost an eye for Clem and was willing to die for her. What else does he need to do, to make you people realize that he cares about Clementine?

    Kenny is like the overprotective "father", he will do anything to anybody if they hurt Clem. Plus his magnificent stache will deter walkers in a 500 metre proximity. Kenny all the way.

  • No-one's saying he doesn't care about her, they are just saying that overall he may not be the best person to actually take care of her, as others care about her just as much and are less likely to do something rash which could seriously endanger her.

    What he said! Kenny already lost an eye for Clem and was willing to die for her. What else does he need to do, to make you people realize that he cares about Clementine?

  • I gues you didn't play Season1 then, did you? Kenny always did everything he could, to protect his family. He Might be a impulsive redneck, but he is obviously the best person for taking care of Clementine. (Well...except maybe Clementine herself)

    Flog61 posted: »

    No-one's saying he doesn't care about her, they are just saying that overall he may not be the best person to actually take care of her, as

  • It should be Luke because Kenny is mental unstable where Luke is young and will be around with Clem for awhile
    (Please don't get angry at my comment it's just my opinion)

  • See I have a loyalty towards Kenny, I understand that him and Luke have both proven to be protecters to Clem, but Kenny feels a lot more releatable for some reason. I like Luke, he's a cool guy, but he just hasn't proven much in terms of protecting Clem for me at least to see him as the better role model.

    In a sense I see Clementine becoming more independent in a way, shes proven that she's smart and capable of keeping herself out of trouble for the most part.

    I'm not a huge liker of the "Cluke" romance as well, it just kinda creeps me out.

  • Kenny is short-tempered, but has been a dad before.

    Luke is always nice, but I don't know if he's experienced with taking care of children for years.

    I think I'll have to go with Christa.

  • edited May 2014

    He did do everything he could to protect his family, I'm not doubting that he would do the same to Clem.

    What I am doubting is whether him taking care of her would be best for her: in order to 'protect' his family he murdered Larry and tried to leave the Motor inn without Lilly, before she had done anything.

    In A House Divided he made crass jokes, was rude to Sarita and caused the death of Walt.

    Season 2 Episode 3 also emphasised how Kenny doesn't think his plans through all the time.

    Christa on the other hand tends to think her plans through and showed she was capable of keeping clem alive for 16 months, 4 times as long as lee.

    Look, I don't have a problem with you believing Kenny is best to take care of clem, we can agree to disagree on that. However, you're disrespecting others' opinions by saying he's 'obviously the best person to take care of Clementine' when that really isn't obvious to lots of people, and they would disagree vehemently.

    I gues you didn't play Season1 then, did you? Kenny always did everything he could, to protect his family. He Might be a impulsive redneck, but he is obviously the best person for taking care of Clementine. (Well...except maybe Clementine herself)

  • I'm not angry at you, but all this comments about Kenny being " mentaly unstable " are just total nonsense! If you think that Luke should be the person that takes care of Clementine, that's just fine. But please stop with this " mentaly unstable " nonsense!

    Kavanagh posted: »

    It should be Luke because Kenny is mental unstable where Luke is young and will be around with Clem for awhile (Please don't get angry at my comment it's just my opinion)

  • edited May 2014

    Oh, between Kenny and Luke?

    Ken.

  • I guess some people think Clem is weak...?

    You're dead wrong, she can handle herself better than half of her group.

    AWESOMEO posted: »

    No one, she's a strong young woman able to protect herself and even protect others.

  • edited May 2014

    Honestly I'd say Kenny.
    Look at the lengths he's gone to already to protect her.
    He lost an eye for her!
    He probably would've been killed, if Bonnie hadn't stepped in what she did.
    Kenny has proven he's willing to do whatever is necessary, like his pal Lee before him, to protect Clementine.

    Luke, though he's a nice guy, hasn't put his ass on the line like that to protect Clementine.

  • edited May 2014

    I don't disrespect anyone's opinion and i edit my comment if that's bothering you so much...

    Yes Christa was capable of keeping Clem alive for 16months and yes i do think Christa is a good " caretaker " for Clementine. But we don't even know if Christa is still alive and if she is alive, she will wait for us in Wellington...aka the place where Kenny wants to go. (But anyway, this discussion is about Luke and Kenny, not about Christa.)

    Flog61 posted: »

    He did do everything he could to protect his family, I'm not doubting that he would do the same to Clem. What I am doubting is whether hi

  • How is Luke supposed to take care of Clementine, anyway?

    He's like...21 years old.
    He hasn't been a father before.
    He is a very hesitant person, he wasn't even willing to kill Carver to protect his people.

    The luke fangirls can dislike this comment and reply with as many comments as they'd like, I do not care.

    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    Honestly I'd say Kenny. Look at the lengths he's gone to already to protect her. He lost an eye for her! He probably would've been killed

  • edited May 2014

    I admire that.
    You stated your viewpoint, and have managed to do so in a respectful way.
    And you're willing to stand by it, despite what others may say.
    That takes integrity.

    How is Luke supposed to take care of Clementine, anyway? He's like...21 years old. He hasn't been a father before. He is a very hesitan

  • Clementine getting strong, no need protector, but the other way, she need truly good friend to trust for. I choose kenny. Because he so familiar. God, im so happy kenny is alive. At that moment. I thought lilly will survive and met clem in season 2. Cause she is the only one we dont know is she still alive or not. Right? Im sorry about my grammar. Haha.

  • none other than Clem

  • No one, Clementine can take care of herself now. But Kenny is always there to help if needed.

  • Nate NATE N A T E <---------

    or Zombie Chet

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