People who complain that Sarah got Reggie killed...
...and that she should have "worked harder", do you also have just as many harsh words for Kenny? I'm sure someone's brought it up already, but it just hit me that he was being stubborn and willingly chose not to do work, which would have undoubtedly made life harder for the rest of them. I bring this up because the aforementioned people have sometimes brought up that Sarah had to know things would be worse if she didn't do her work. Except Sarah wasn't willingly not doing work, she was just having a hard time, likely due to a variety of issues, whereas Kenny flat out refused to toe the line, something people seem to be expecting of Sarah... except I bet Kenny refusing to do work was "badass" or something, right? Fighting the good fight against the man?
Now sure, nobody got killed by Carver right after that to justify fans trying to shift the blame from the actual murderer (who flat out said that Reggie needed to die for his own selfish reasons and goals) onto Kenny the way they did an innocent girl, but surely we can all see the problem between expecting work from one character and not going off on another for potentially putting the group in more danger out of pure selfishness, no?
Not trying to incite an anti-Kenny thing here or anything, but just something to think about the next time someone thinks to blame Carver's actions on Sarah... kinda the way they did with Rebecca before her... and how Bonnie was blamed for Walter's death and every other determinant character's death at the lodge instead of the man who fired the gun... (facepalm)
And I'm sure had he lived longer, there'd be even more people to blame other than the dude himself. (sigh)
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I think it is human nature to find blame in others, people need to stop being so judgmental imo.
I don't think Reggie's death was anyone's fault except Carver's, I didn't exactly trust Reggie but I didn't want him to die
I agree wholeheartedly, man. Sarah doesn't mean to be this way and she doesn't deserve to be hated on as much as she is; it was the way she was raised and sheltered by Carlos. She also gets nervous easily and has hyperventilation issues. People can't control those!!
I don't think there is any way to blame Kenny for not doing work. He's a hardass, and that's it. I'm not a "100% DIE-HARD KENNY FAN IF YOU HATE KENNY F&%$ YOU GO TO HELL" kind of people, but I do respect and like him as a character.
Carver was probably going to kill Reggie anyway. Didn't Hank or Tavia say that he wasn't going to be a part of the group again but instead remain a prisoner?
"Do you think that Bill maybe..."
"Spit it out, Hank."
"I don't think Bill was gonna let him back in."
"Huh. You don't?"
"No. Do you?"
So, yeah, probably not.
Yeah agreed. I liked his Voice Actor.
Yeah, I don't particularly blame him for not wanting to work for Carver, but at the same time we gotta remember what Carlos said, there are consequences for rash actions. At the very least, I think he should have had the foresight to know that working for Carver in the moment would at least get him to ease off the group even the tiniest bit so they could continue their planning to screw up his reign when his back was turned. As Lee once said, "Sometimes we all gotta put aside what we want for the good of the group." I miss that wise dude.
Ehhh it felt a little too stiff of speech for my taste I love his voice acting in Adventure Time as Prismo but compared to how others sounded it kinda sounded like his voice was too close to the mic or something i don't know.
It's human nature to push blame onto people other than yourself (and then sense should return after we've made peace with the fact that we screwed something up), not necessarily shifting the blame from a crazy murderer who is clearly supposed to be the villain of a fictional work onto someone else. I might buy it if the narrative was shifted in such a way so that Carver actually did blame Sarah for Reggie's death, then maybe a little light would go off in people's heads and say, "yeah, maybe he has a point. It sucks, but..." But no, Carver flat out says his actions were his own, yet people still find a way to blame the young girl who has not a wicked bone in her body.
I suppose one can pin it on "human nature" for Carver fans, since people do naturally try to protect their favorite, but just because it's natural doesn't mean it should go without question. I'm a Lilly fan, and I flat out 100% admit what she did to Carley/Doug/Ben (what she was about to do to him if Doug hadn't intervened) was completely wrong and she had no business doing it. It doesn't take a massive force of will either, and it shouldn't to simply admit Carver alone is at fault. It's fine to like villains and characters who do horrible things. But the terrible things they do are the terrible things they do, regardless of rationalization that they may or may not try to use to defend themselves.
Sometimes Kenny's "rash actions" sensor doesn't work when he's just been captured and forced into slave work. It's just the way he is, unfortunately.
i liked his accent.
Yeah i'm just saying something didn't sound right maybe it's just me but something was off
He gave hime hope so that he would continue to work and would keep the other prisoners in line so they couldn't try and find a way out, at least this is what I think
It's not Reggie it's Rajeev
Like gosh
Well Sarah did kill him,but indirectly
These fagets dont know nothing man
we gotta teach em, makem strong
the way we were raised the way my child will be raised
Sarah didn't kill Reggie, Carver was waitting for an excuse to kill him, he saw the opportunity to do it and did it, he justified himself with the fact he "didn't do his job" people blame Sarah wich is the same as blamming Clem and neither Sarah or Clem are guilty for that.
Okay, as long as you also contend that Kenny killed Walter, just indirectly. And Clementine killed Lee, just indirectly. And Carley got herself killed, just indirectly (as long as we're attaching individual actions to the cruel actions of others).
If you agree with all that, then I guess that's a fair opinion to have. A weird one that I don't support, but fair nonetheless.
PLOT TWIST: I was the guy who kept shouting "Reggie" in that coffee place or whatever he said he was doing. I forget the specifics.
He was using him for work and to keep people in the prison in line so he had hope he would get out and made sure not did anything out of line or else he would get in trouble
i heard other people say the same thing, i didn't notice but maybe they had some sort of recording issue.
I would not blame Sarah at all, Carver said Reggie had made mistakes before Clem, Kenny and lukes group arrived
I think that might have been the issue, I watched some gameplay of it and it seems like he keeps the same tone of voice no matter what goes on and he was too close the the mic I really appreciate his other work though
If you choose "She [Sarah]'s a baby" (which I did in my antisocial playthrough, don't hate!), Reggie claims that "Bill" said he'd kill him as soon as he came back (or something like this). Also, Carver mentions a "string of screw ups" and how his weakness and incompetence was damaging to the community. He seemed to have disliked Reggie from the beggining. If you ask me, Carver was looking for an excuse to get rid of Reggie, and Kenny was heading in the same direction.
Carver was just itching for an excuse to kill Reggie. All Sarah and Clem did was inadvertently provide him with it.
Yes, I agree Sarah is not to blame for Carver killing Reggie. Carver was definitely looking for any excuse to do that, and the straight up fact is Sarah didn't do anything wrong. Either she allows Clem to help her with her chores or she tries to do them herself but does them badly. Carver sees the halfdone/poorly-done work and kills Reggie. So this is me imitating someone who would blame anyone but Carver for that: "It's Sarah's fault because she did her work so badly. It's Clem's fault because she did her work too slow. She could have gotten both her and Sarah's work done if she'd been faster. It Mike's fault for cutting off Reggie's arm. He could have gotten all the work done if he'd had two arms. It's Carver's parents' fault for even conceiving Carver.....etc. etc. etc." It all sounds absolutely ridiculous, right? I mean, come on. No.
I also agree that it's not Rebecca's fault Carver was hunting them down like wild animals. Yeah, maybe he wanted to be with his kid. Doesn't mean he should try to keep the mom a prisoner.
But I very strongly disagree with you about Bonnie. She IS to blame for Walter and Alvin dying and Carlos getting tortured. Sometimes more than one person is to blame for things, and in this case, Carver, Johnny, Troy, AND Bonnie were to blame for the violence at the lodge.
Why do you care if Sarah killed Reggie or not?Because Reggie was only in ep.3 to persuade Bonnie to leave with cabin group thats his only reason to be in the episode,so you shouldn't really careless tbh. :P
"That's not fair! You're blaming her for the actions of a madman." - Sarita.
Well mostly Sarita anyway.
I thought Reggie was gonna die either way. Carver stated that he was never going to let him back into the community regardless. Sarah was only a variable at that point. An excuse to push Reggie off a building.
All of those things are true, just to varying degrees.
Of course, in each of those cases there are people MORE responsible than them, such as Lilly and Kenny for Carley's murder.
But overall, all of those deeds were the fault of Carver, bad luck, and Lilly's mental state respectively. That doesn't absolve the victims of some of the blame., even if it sounds mean to do so.
Out of all the people you list, I think clem was the least responsible because lee only got bit because of bad luck, not by the stranger or anything.
Downvotes incoming..
You should get some rest, Clem. They're gonna ride our asses tomorrow.
Well, see, if people were to have been blaming the entirety of Carver's group from the start, then that'd be one thing. I would also add Kenny to that bunch, since it was his involvement that escalated the problem and got Walter killed. Carver may have pulled the trigger, but it was in direct response to Johnny's death. But Bonnie alone was singled out as this one horrible person that caused all that pain, when it seems a lot more complicated than that.
First of all, it's hard for me to believe that Bonnie caused the whole thing because if she hadn't been the scout, it'd have just been somebody else in Carver's group. Carver was already on his way towards the lodge, and the group was planning on staying there the night to rest up, making it very likely they'd have been caught regardless of Bonnie's role. Secondly, if she's to blame for the deaths of Walter and Alvin, then her involvement was still much more indirect than the involvements of Carver and Kenny, but again, she was still the main one being blamed. That was my problem with it.
Reggie isn't the issue here. The issue is people putting the blame on Sarah for getting him killed.