The first time there's EVER been a female majority group.

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  • "As far as I know. If there's any other influence, it would be asian. We did not "give her caucasian features to make her more palatable."" - Telltale Artist

    skoothz posted: »

    Clem's not Asian, she's just African-American. This was confirmed by Telltale.

  • Like i said, it makes sense because of the setting.

    ViralType posted: »

    It actually makes sense in Wolf Among Us considering it deals with characters that work as prostitutes, or in sleazy bars. Shit, the only on

  • Its not unrealistic, just coincidence I say. If the group happened to be all male or female for a time then so be it.

    Flog61 posted: »

    That would be way too coincidental by now. If we met 4 more men than women sure. But when there consistently are TWICE as many men as women, something's up.

  • "Social justice warrior"? Eh, usually I try to adhere to more of a rogue/thief kind of gameplay style.

    To me this looks like an active effort to diversify Yeah, it looks like that to you and possibly everyone else who thinks Telltale i

  • It's not coincidental that there were twice as many men as women while we met like 5 different groups, that just can't be true.

    Think about it, how many games consistently have it the other way around? Where there are twice as many women as men?

    hayd24 posted: »

    Its not unrealistic, just coincidence I say. If the group happened to be all male or female for a time then so be it.

  • There are a lot of women out there who could undoubtedly kick your ass and outlive you in a disaster.

    Really? What culture or society did women build from the ground up? Which civilization has had women play an essential, technical role in its foundation beyond the symbolic? What are some ancient female philosophers you can name? Why was it so easy for men to take women's rights away from a historical standpoint if they're so equal? Why aren't women strong enough to oppress men? Why did ancient armies use animals more than they did women in combat?

    Has there ever been a great female military strategist? I can name a lot of men: Hannibal Barca, Napoleon Bonaparte, Sun Tzu, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar, Alexander as some of the world's most noteworthy.

    skoothz posted: »

    There are a lot of women out there who could undoubtedly kick your ass and outlive you in a disaster. It's having an attitude like that that already makes you weak to begin with.

  • I would argue that out of that list, only Clem, Lara and Jodie are true protagonists. I mean, we've had women on our side in games for a very long time, but having playable female protagonists, as they are, is much rarer.

    Well the main protagonist of the whole season is a female and I think that is awesome in itself. There seems to have been more and more f

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    But, as I go on to say, we see more male corpses than female corpses.

    And also, in the game female walkers are just as much of a threat as male ones.

    DomeWing333 posted: »

    I'm sure some will say 'oh well women are more likely to die because they are physically less able', but the walking dead disagrees with you

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    Oh yay. Some kinda sexist fuck.

    Please leave, no one would welcome you.

    Syracuse posted: »

    There are a lot of women out there who could undoubtedly kick your ass and outlive you in a disaster. Really? What culture or societ

  • True, but these arguments happen a lot in games. I've always seen it as a coincidence, like it is now.

    Flog61 posted: »

    It's not coincidental that there were twice as many men as women while we met like 5 different groups, that just can't be true. Think about it, how many games consistently have it the other way around? Where there are twice as many women as men?

  • Did you seriously just say that women brought about their own oppression, and then ranked ANIMALS higher than them?

    Is this a joke? Did you seriously just do that?* Are you a real human that actually functions in society?*

    Oh, and here are some strong women leaders for you: Boudica, Cleopatra, Joan of Arc, Hatshepsut, Wu Zeitan, Ching Shih, Deborah Samson, Harriet Tubman... to name a few. Read a damn book.

    Syracuse posted: »

    There are a lot of women out there who could undoubtedly kick your ass and outlive you in a disaster. Really? What culture or societ

  • That would require basic intelligence though.

    skoothz posted: »

    Did you seriously just say that women brought about their own oppression, and then ranked ANIMALS higher than them? Is this a joke? Did y

  • What about me? I AM useful.

    sardines posted: »

    Skooth, you're honestly the only reason this forum hasn't completely destroyed every last shred of my faith in humanity.

  • Skooth, you're honestly the only reason this forum hasn't completely destroyed every last shred of my faith in humanity.

    skoothz posted: »

    Did you seriously just say that women brought about their own oppression, and then ranked ANIMALS higher than them? Is this a joke? Did y

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    The answer to all these questions is men. Who wrote the history books? especially in Western civilization, which seems to enjoy leaving out all the non-white and non-males. I would write more but I'm honestly disgusted that someone decided to take the time to write such an idiotic and uneducated comment. Do not blame inequality on the oppressed. It's not women's fault that they don't overcome men, it's men's fault that they have encouraged a system of oppression on women for centuries.

    Syracuse posted: »

    There are a lot of women out there who could undoubtedly kick your ass and outlive you in a disaster. Really? What culture or societ

  • I had not noticed... it's true!

    It is what it is, for me. I do not see it as something good or bad; it just is.

  • Sometimes it feels like I'm yelling at a brick wall, but it's nice to know that my (to quote Clem_is_awesome) "social justice warrioring" has indeed had an effect on people.

    I'm just sick of seeing such backlash when the topic of representation comes up. It's bizarre, how angry the topic of diversity makes people. It's just bizarre to me because it's such a positive thing and a lot of us want to discuss it in a light-hearted and positive way, but people like Syracuse come in and say horrible things like that, and suddenly the environment turns toxic.

    How can such a progressive and diverse game have so many backwards fans? I don't know. Maybe it's just that all fans are this shitty, but that fact that TWDG is so diverse is ironically what reveals it, because otherwise it wouldn't be a topic that's even brought up. Ugh.

    sardines posted: »

    Skooth, you're honestly the only reason this forum hasn't completely destroyed every last shred of my faith in humanity.

  • I think human development might've skipped a step for them.

    But seriously, they probably get a kick out of joining a random thread and doing something because they think they're annoying someone.

    skoothz posted: »

    Sometimes it feels like I'm yelling at a brick wall, but it's nice to know that my (to quote Clem_is_awesome) "social justice warrioring" ha

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    I'm sure some will say 'oh well women are more likely to die because they are physically less able' . . .

    Thank you for making this thread, but I did want to address something that's always made me annoyed: the assumption that 'men are stronger than women.'

    The thing is - yes, on average, many men are more strong physically than women. But those statistics? They don't apply to individual people, they apply to a whole group that was surveyed and studied, a whole population. There are many physically "capable" women and many physically "incapable" men. To say that "men are stronger than women, it's a fact" is a logical fallacy.

    I guess you could say ... that "not all men" are stronger than (all) women.

    (See what I did there, MRAs? See? I used your words. I used your words against you. Amazing.)

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    I don't know if anyone's said this yet, but I did notice at the end of episode 3 this season that after Carlos got killed and Clem had to fight some walkers while Sarah ran off, it's only the female cast that you see around within the herd that are kicking butt with her in that final scene [Jane, Sarita & Bonnie]. Granted Rebecca isn't there fighting given she's pregnant I guess, but Kenny, Luke, Nick and Mike don't show up at all. I checked.

    I thought that was kinda cool doing that, and Clem becoming a little warrior at that moment too. That bit where she had to pull that axe out of from the walkers head just in time to take down that other walker coming towards her was really kickass! =D

  • I know I've told you before (though you wouldn't know it - it was on tumblr, I'm transarlert there) but seeing your posts (and BenUseful's, and everyone else's who stands up for these things!) really does make me feel a little better after seeing so many completely backwards people around here. It's good to know that there are still people out there who aren't bigoted assholes. It's easy to forget sometimes when you're swimming through a sea of bigots like there seems to be in this fandom.

    Diversity truly should be a positive thing, and it's horrible to think that so many people are so, well, offended by it. The whole environment truly is toxic, and it really shouldn't be :/

    I guess I should be happy that TWDG is so diverse because of that fact alone, however, and not unhappy because of what it means for the fanbase.

    skoothz posted: »

    Sometimes it feels like I'm yelling at a brick wall, but it's nice to know that my (to quote Clem_is_awesome) "social justice warrioring" ha

  • Proof?

    sammaxillus posted: »

    It's because women are stronger than most men. It's a fact.

  • Are there? I hadn't really noticed any patterns among non-walker corpses. Then again, I didn't notice the higher female to male ratio in the group until I saw this thread, so I'm obviously not the most perceptive person in the world when it comes to that sort of thing.

    And yeah, I guess since all it takes is a single bite to infect you, physical strength might not be that important after all. Still, you don't see many children or old people walkers lurking around.

    Flog61 posted: »

    But, as I go on to say, we see more male corpses than female corpses. And also, in the game female walkers are just as much of a threat as male ones.

  • SyracuseSyracuse Banned
    edited June 2014

    Boudicca got defeated by the Romans pretty quickly, Cleopatra wasn't a strategist or a military leader (closest she got is having dated one, Julius Caesar), Joan of Arc is the exception to this, though she likely had more inspirational/symbolic power as opposed to strategic competence. Dunno about the others. There's competent women who were in a position of power and leadership, just far less.

    Did you seriously just say that women brought about their own oppression, and then ranked ANIMALS higher than them?

    No, I'm saying they're easier to oppress than men, meaning the power struggle is not an equal one by definition.

    skoothz posted: »

    Did you seriously just say that women brought about their own oppression, and then ranked ANIMALS higher than them? Is this a joke? Did y

  • Well the sad part is that a lot of them actually believe the ridiculous things they say.

    BenUseful posted: »

    I think human development might've skipped a step for them. But seriously, they probably get a kick out of joining a random thread and doing something because they think they're annoying someone.

  • Cleopatra dated Anthony more famously, fyi, and actually, as the queen of a country, she was a strategist of sorts. She was Queen before she met either of them, you know.

    Dido, Queen of Carthage, is similar: she manages to raise up a people in extremely harsh physical conditions and locations, and this people goes on to become one of Rome's main challengers.

    Also, the reason there aren't many female strategists in history is because men thought they wouldn't be able to do it, and suppressed them.

    The fact that people believed they were less able in this respect in the past in a fashion which is now considered outdated does NOT mean that women are actually less able strategists.

    Syracuse posted: »

    Boudicca got defeated by the Romans pretty quickly, Cleopatra wasn't a strategist or a military leader (closest she got is having dated one,

  • Yeah, and Napoleon was exiled and Julius Caesar was stabbed by forty-odd pasty old senators, including a man he considered to be as close as a son. They didn't have the success they could have, either. So what's your point?

    Idk man, you said, "Has there ever been a great female military strategist?" and now you're saying "There's some competent women who were in a position of power and leadership, just far less." You're kind of flipflopping here now and I already stopped taking you seriously the moment you said, "Women are terrible at fighting and surviving" so I'm not even sure why I'm humoring this.

    Syracuse posted: »

    Boudicca got defeated by the Romans pretty quickly, Cleopatra wasn't a strategist or a military leader (closest she got is having dated one,

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    Thisthisthis

    Although I wouldn't say it was 'men's' fault, I'd say it was 'those men's fault' because not all men are like that now to any degree, and shouldn't take blame for it.

    The answer to all these questions is men. Who wrote the history books? especially in Western civilization, which seems to enjoy leaving out

  • O)h absolutely, I can think of maybe one or two female corpses (only one off the top of my head) and at least 5 male ones.

    DomeWing333 posted: »

    Are there? I hadn't really noticed any patterns among non-walker corpses. Then again, I didn't notice the higher female to male ratio in the

  • I'm not advocating that opinion - it is not one I myself hold - I was merely anticipating a reason lots of people would give :p

    sardines posted: »

    I'm sure some will say 'oh well women are more likely to die because they are physically less able' . . . Thank you for making this

  • The vast majority of men are stronger than women, yes.

    These differences in muscularity translate into large differences in strength and speed. Men have about 90% greater upper-body strength, a difference of approximately three standard deviations (Abe et al., 2003, Lassek and Gaulin, 2009). The average man is stronger than 99.9% of women (Lassek & Gaulin, 2009). Men also have about 65% greater lower body strength (Lassek and Gaulin, 2009, Mayhew and Salm, 1990), over 45% higher vertical leap, and over 22% faster sprint times (Mayhew & Salm, 1990). Contrary to earlier claims, sex differences in anaerobic sprint speeds are not narrowing (Cheuvront et al., 2005, Seiler et al., 2007).

    sardines posted: »

    I'm sure some will say 'oh well women are more likely to die because they are physically less able' . . . Thank you for making this

  • The average man is stronger than 99.9% of women (Lassek & Gaulin, 2009).

    Huh. I have to say, that's a pretty surprising statistic. I would have expected that percentage to be between 80 and 90.

    Still, physical strength doesn't necessarily equal survival. Testosterone, the hormone that is believed to cause these differences in muscle mass between men and women, also leads to heightened aggression, impulsiveness, and anti-social behavior. Being a big, angry, hulking tough guy only gets you so far if you're alone.

    Syracuse posted: »

    The vast majority of men are stronger than women, yes. These differences in muscularity translate into large differences in strength a

  • Take my vote, couldn't have said it better myself. :)

    skoothz posted: »

    Sometimes it feels like I'm yelling at a brick wall, but it's nice to know that my (to quote Clem_is_awesome) "social justice warrioring" ha

  • Most men would've passed out when giving birth, women can handle more pain when they put their back to it.

    goodcop2 posted: »

    Proof?

  • I thought that was kinda cool doing that, and Clem becoming a little warrior at that moment too. That bit where she had to pull that axe out of from the walkers head just in time to take down that other walker coming towards her was really kickass! =D

    THAT WAS THE BEST MOMENT IN THAT SCENE.

  • Oh reaally ? how many births did you give then ?

    Most men would've passed out when giving birth, women can handle more pain when they put their back to it.

  • There's a video out there somewhere where scientists simulated labor pains on men, and their reactions really do say it all. I'll see if I can find it.

    goodcop2 posted: »

    Oh reaally ? how many births did you give then ?

  • for instance, when we met the farm group, you had Hershel and shawn, Kenny and duck. but Hershel actually had a bunch of daughters who we never got to see. the drug store group had Lilly, former air force, and Carley, former reporter. It make's sense for Lilly's dad to be there, so lets discount him. that leaves us with Glenn, comic character, and doug. so the drugstore group had... Doug. the only male character who just so happened to be there. Larry was added because Lilly was there, Glenn was added because of the comic.

    Flog61 posted: »

    It's not coincidental that there were twice as many men as women while we met like 5 different groups, that just can't be true. Think about it, how many games consistently have it the other way around? Where there are twice as many women as men?

  • Mythbusters proved in an episode that women have a higher pain threshold, for what it's worth.

    goodcop2 posted: »

    Oh reaally ? how many births did you give then ?

  • Childbirth is a special case, due to the amount of hormones coarsing through the body. Generally speaking, men endure pain better than women.

    Most men would've passed out when giving birth, women can handle more pain when they put their back to it.

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