"As far as I know. If there's any other influence, it would be asian. We did not "give her caucasian features to make her more palatable."" - Telltale Artist
It actually makes sense in Wolf Among Us considering it deals with characters that work as prostitutes, or in sleazy bars. Shit, the only on… morees that are dressed modestly, yet still in a way that reveals the curvature of their bodies (hourglass, baby, hourglass) are Snow and Beauty. And they're meant to be very beautiful considering that's the point of princesses.
Also forgot Auntie Greenleaf and Mary. But I doubt anyone wants to see Greenleaf in a bikini, and Mary is as unerotic as Lemon Party.
That would be way too coincidental by now.
If we met 4 more men than women sure. But when there consistently are TWICE as many men as women, something's up.
To me this looks like an active effort to diversify
Yeah, it looks like that to you and possibly everyone else who thinks Telltale i… mores trying to appease them.
Why does it BOTHER you?
The thread or the argument doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the blatant social justice warrioring that came out of nowhere because Telltale made someone's beliefs happy
despite the fact that the majority of people working on the game are white men.
Another assumption that is just wrong. Telltale has tons of women just like they have tons of asians too and people of all other races and backgrounds. Ever bothered looking at those pics of the whole team they post every once in a while?
Also it's kinda weird that you'd quote me separately and not just reply to my post. No need to act coy, here.
I dislike the structure of these forums and how i have to go from page to page in order to discuss something.
There are a lot of women out there who could undoubtedly kick your ass and outlive you in a disaster.
Really? What culture or society did women build from the ground up? Which civilization has had women play an essential, technical role in its foundation beyond the symbolic? What are some ancient female philosophers you can name? Why was it so easy for men to take women's rights away from a historical standpoint if they're so equal? Why aren't women strong enough to oppress men? Why did ancient armies use animals more than they did women in combat?
Has there ever been a great female military strategist? I can name a lot of men: Hannibal Barca, Napoleon Bonaparte, Sun Tzu, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar, Alexander as some of the world's most noteworthy.
There are a lot of women out there who could undoubtedly kick your ass and outlive you in a disaster. It's having an attitude like that that already makes you weak to begin with.
I would argue that out of that list, only Clem, Lara and Jodie are true protagonists. I mean, we've had women on our side in games for a very long time, but having playable female protagonists, as they are, is much rarer.
Well the main protagonist of the whole season is a female and I think that is awesome in itself.
There seems to have been more and more f… moreemale protagonists in the past few years too.
You have;
* Clem (The Walking Dead)
* Snow (The Wolf Among Us)
* Ellie (The Last of Us)
* Elizabeth (Bioshock Infinite)
* Lara Croft (Tomb Raider)
* Jodie Holmes (Beyond: Two Souls)
What a time to be alive.
I'm sure some will say 'oh well women are more likely to die because they are physically less able', but the walking dead disagrees with you… more because there are more male walkers than female ones: clearly more men are dying than women, making the situations even less unlikely to always be the case.
Well...I could make the argument that if women are more likely to die than men because they are less physically able, then female walkers might also be more likely to die than male walkers because they are less physically able. In fact, since all intelligence is extinguished and mobility is nullified in walkers, size and physical strength would be the only thing determining a walker's survivability. As a result, male walkers would be more likely to outnumber female walkers, not because males are more likely to die, but because males are less likely to die a second time.
There are a lot of women out there who could undoubtedly kick your ass and outlive you in a disaster.
Really? What culture or societ… morey did women build from the ground up? Which civilization has had women play an essential, technical role in its foundation beyond the symbolic? What are some ancient female philosophers you can name? Why was it so easy for men to take women's rights away from a historical standpoint if they're so equal? Why aren't women strong enough to oppress men? Why did ancient armies use animals more than they did women in combat?
Has there ever been a great female military strategist? I can name a lot of men: Hannibal Barca, Napoleon Bonaparte, Sun Tzu, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar, Alexander as some of the world's most noteworthy.
It's not coincidental that there were twice as many men as women while we met like 5 different groups, that just can't be true.
Think about it, how many games consistently have it the other way around? Where there are twice as many women as men?
Did you seriously just say that women brought about their own oppression, and then ranked ANIMALS higher than them?
Is this a joke? Did you seriously just do that?* Are you a real human that actually functions in society?*
Oh, and here are some strong women leaders for you: Boudica, Cleopatra, Joan of Arc, Hatshepsut, Wu Zeitan, Ching Shih, Deborah Samson, Harriet Tubman... to name a few. Read a damn book.
There are a lot of women out there who could undoubtedly kick your ass and outlive you in a disaster.
Really? What culture or societ… morey did women build from the ground up? Which civilization has had women play an essential, technical role in its foundation beyond the symbolic? What are some ancient female philosophers you can name? Why was it so easy for men to take women's rights away from a historical standpoint if they're so equal? Why aren't women strong enough to oppress men? Why did ancient armies use animals more than they did women in combat?
Has there ever been a great female military strategist? I can name a lot of men: Hannibal Barca, Napoleon Bonaparte, Sun Tzu, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar, Alexander as some of the world's most noteworthy.
Did you seriously just say that women brought about their own oppression, and then ranked ANIMALS higher than them?
Is this a joke? Did y… moreou seriously just do that?* Are you a real human that actually functions in society?*
Oh, and here are some strong women leaders for you: Boudica, Cleopatra, Joan of Arc, Hatshepsut, Wu Zeitan, Ching Shih, Deborah Samson, Harriet Tubman... to name a few. Read a damn book.
Did you seriously just say that women brought about their own oppression, and then ranked ANIMALS higher than them?
Is this a joke? Did y… moreou seriously just do that?* Are you a real human that actually functions in society?*
Oh, and here are some strong women leaders for you: Boudica, Cleopatra, Joan of Arc, Hatshepsut, Wu Zeitan, Ching Shih, Deborah Samson, Harriet Tubman... to name a few. Read a damn book.
The answer to all these questions is men. Who wrote the history books? especially in Western civilization, which seems to enjoy leaving out all the non-white and non-males. I would write more but I'm honestly disgusted that someone decided to take the time to write such an idiotic and uneducated comment. Do not blame inequality on the oppressed. It's not women's fault that they don't overcome men, it's men's fault that they have encouraged a system of oppression on women for centuries.
There are a lot of women out there who could undoubtedly kick your ass and outlive you in a disaster.
Really? What culture or societ… morey did women build from the ground up? Which civilization has had women play an essential, technical role in its foundation beyond the symbolic? What are some ancient female philosophers you can name? Why was it so easy for men to take women's rights away from a historical standpoint if they're so equal? Why aren't women strong enough to oppress men? Why did ancient armies use animals more than they did women in combat?
Has there ever been a great female military strategist? I can name a lot of men: Hannibal Barca, Napoleon Bonaparte, Sun Tzu, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar, Alexander as some of the world's most noteworthy.
Sometimes it feels like I'm yelling at a brick wall, but it's nice to know that my (to quote Clem_is_awesome) "social justice warrioring" has indeed had an effect on people.
I'm just sick of seeing such backlash when the topic of representation comes up. It's bizarre, how angry the topic of diversity makes people. It's just bizarre to me because it's such a positive thing and a lot of us want to discuss it in a light-hearted and positive way, but people like Syracuse come in and say horrible things like that, and suddenly the environment turns toxic.
How can such a progressive and diverse game have so many backwards fans? I don't know. Maybe it's just that all fans are this shitty, but that fact that TWDG is so diverse is ironically what reveals it, because otherwise it wouldn't be a topic that's even brought up. Ugh.
Sometimes it feels like I'm yelling at a brick wall, but it's nice to know that my (to quote Clem_is_awesome) "social justice warrioring" ha… mores indeed had an effect on people.
I'm just sick of seeing such backlash when the topic of representation comes up. It's bizarre, how angry the topic of diversity makes people. It's just bizarre to me because it's such a positive thing and a lot of us want to discuss it in a light-hearted and positive way, but people like Syracuse come in and say horrible things like that, and suddenly the environment turns toxic.
How can such a progressive and diverse game have so many backwards fans? I don't know. Maybe it's just that all fans are this shitty, but that fact that TWDG is so diverse is ironically what reveals it, because otherwise it wouldn't be a topic that's even brought up. Ugh.
I'm sure some will say 'oh well women are more likely to die because they are physically less able' . . .
Thank you for making this thread, but I did want to address something that's always made me annoyed: the assumption that 'men are stronger than women.'
The thing is - yes, on average, many men are more strong physically than women. But those statistics? They don't apply to individual people, they apply to a whole group that was surveyed and studied, a whole population. There are many physically "capable" women and many physically "incapable" men. To say that "men are stronger than women, it's a fact" is a logical fallacy.
I guess you could say ... that "not all men" are stronger than (all) women.
(See what I did there, MRAs? See? I used your words. I used your words against you. Amazing.)
I don't know if anyone's said this yet, but I did notice at the end of episode 3 this season that after Carlos got killed and Clem had to fight some walkers while Sarah ran off, it's only the female cast that you see around within the herd that are kicking butt with her in that final scene [Jane, Sarita & Bonnie]. Granted Rebecca isn't there fighting given she's pregnant I guess, but Kenny, Luke, Nick and Mike don't show up at all. I checked.
I thought that was kinda cool doing that, and Clem becoming a little warrior at that moment too. That bit where she had to pull that axe out of from the walkers head just in time to take down that other walker coming towards her was really kickass! =D
I know I've told you before (though you wouldn't know it - it was on tumblr, I'm transarlert there) but seeing your posts (and BenUseful's, and everyone else's who stands up for these things!) really does make me feel a little better after seeing so many completely backwards people around here. It's good to know that there are still people out there who aren't bigoted assholes. It's easy to forget sometimes when you're swimming through a sea of bigots like there seems to be in this fandom.
Diversity truly should be a positive thing, and it's horrible to think that so many people are so, well, offended by it. The whole environment truly is toxic, and it really shouldn't be
I guess I should be happy that TWDG is so diverse because of that fact alone, however, and not unhappy because of what it means for the fanbase.
Sometimes it feels like I'm yelling at a brick wall, but it's nice to know that my (to quote Clem_is_awesome) "social justice warrioring" ha… mores indeed had an effect on people.
I'm just sick of seeing such backlash when the topic of representation comes up. It's bizarre, how angry the topic of diversity makes people. It's just bizarre to me because it's such a positive thing and a lot of us want to discuss it in a light-hearted and positive way, but people like Syracuse come in and say horrible things like that, and suddenly the environment turns toxic.
How can such a progressive and diverse game have so many backwards fans? I don't know. Maybe it's just that all fans are this shitty, but that fact that TWDG is so diverse is ironically what reveals it, because otherwise it wouldn't be a topic that's even brought up. Ugh.
Are there? I hadn't really noticed any patterns among non-walker corpses. Then again, I didn't notice the higher female to male ratio in the group until I saw this thread, so I'm obviously not the most perceptive person in the world when it comes to that sort of thing.
And yeah, I guess since all it takes is a single bite to infect you, physical strength might not be that important after all. Still, you don't see many children or old people walkers lurking around.
Boudicca got defeated by the Romans pretty quickly, Cleopatra wasn't a strategist or a military leader (closest she got is having dated one, Julius Caesar), Joan of Arc is the exception to this, though she likely had more inspirational/symbolic power as opposed to strategic competence. Dunno about the others. There's competent women who were in a position of power and leadership, just far less.
Did you seriously just say that women brought about their own oppression, and then ranked ANIMALS higher than them?
No, I'm saying they're easier to oppress than men, meaning the power struggle is not an equal one by definition.
Did you seriously just say that women brought about their own oppression, and then ranked ANIMALS higher than them?
Is this a joke? Did y… moreou seriously just do that?* Are you a real human that actually functions in society?*
Oh, and here are some strong women leaders for you: Boudica, Cleopatra, Joan of Arc, Hatshepsut, Wu Zeitan, Ching Shih, Deborah Samson, Harriet Tubman... to name a few. Read a damn book.
I think human development might've skipped a step for them.
But seriously, they probably get a kick out of joining a random thread and doing something because they think they're annoying someone.
Cleopatra dated Anthony more famously, fyi, and actually, as the queen of a country, she was a strategist of sorts. She was Queen before she met either of them, you know.
Dido, Queen of Carthage, is similar: she manages to raise up a people in extremely harsh physical conditions and locations, and this people goes on to become one of Rome's main challengers.
Also, the reason there aren't many female strategists in history is because men thought they wouldn't be able to do it, and suppressed them.
The fact that people believed they were less able in this respect in the past in a fashion which is now considered outdated does NOT mean that women are actually less able strategists.
Boudicca got defeated by the Romans pretty quickly, Cleopatra wasn't a strategist or a military leader (closest she got is having dated one,… more Julius Caesar), Joan of Arc is the exception to this, though she likely had more inspirational/symbolic power as opposed to strategic competence. Dunno about the others. There's competent women who were in a position of power and leadership, just far less.
Did you seriously just say that women brought about their own oppression, and then ranked ANIMALS higher than them?
No, I'm saying they're easier to oppress than men, meaning the power struggle is not an equal one by definition.
Yeah, and Napoleon was exiled and Julius Caesar was stabbed by forty-odd pasty old senators, including a man he considered to be as close as a son. They didn't have the success they could have, either. So what's your point?
Idk man, you said, "Has there ever been a great female military strategist?" and now you're saying "There's some competent women who were in a position of power and leadership, just far less." You're kind of flipflopping here now and I already stopped taking you seriously the moment you said, "Women are terrible at fighting and surviving" so I'm not even sure why I'm humoring this.
Boudicca got defeated by the Romans pretty quickly, Cleopatra wasn't a strategist or a military leader (closest she got is having dated one,… more Julius Caesar), Joan of Arc is the exception to this, though she likely had more inspirational/symbolic power as opposed to strategic competence. Dunno about the others. There's competent women who were in a position of power and leadership, just far less.
Did you seriously just say that women brought about their own oppression, and then ranked ANIMALS higher than them?
No, I'm saying they're easier to oppress than men, meaning the power struggle is not an equal one by definition.
Although I wouldn't say it was 'men's' fault, I'd say it was 'those men's fault' because not all men are like that now to any degree, and shouldn't take blame for it.
The answer to all these questions is men. Who wrote the history books? especially in Western civilization, which seems to enjoy leaving out … moreall the non-white and non-males. I would write more but I'm honestly disgusted that someone decided to take the time to write such an idiotic and uneducated comment. Do not blame inequality on the oppressed. It's not women's fault that they don't overcome men, it's men's fault that they have encouraged a system of oppression on women for centuries.
Are there? I hadn't really noticed any patterns among non-walker corpses. Then again, I didn't notice the higher female to male ratio in the… more group until I saw this thread, so I'm obviously not the most perceptive person in the world when it comes to that sort of thing.
And yeah, I guess since all it takes is a single bite to infect you, physical strength might not be that important after all. Still, you don't see many children or old people walkers lurking around.
I'm sure some will say 'oh well women are more likely to die because they are physically less able' . . .
Thank you for making this … morethread, but I did want to address something that's always made me annoyed: the assumption that 'men are stronger than women.'
The thing is - yes, on average, many men are more strong physically than women. But those statistics? They don't apply to individual people, they apply to a whole group that was surveyed and studied, a whole population. There are many physically "capable" women and many physically "incapable" men. To say that "men are stronger than women, it's a fact" is a logical fallacy.
I guess you could say ... that "not all men" are stronger than (all) women.
(See what I did there, MRAs? See? I used your words. I used your words against you. Amazing.)
The vast majority of men are stronger than women, yes.
These differences in muscularity translate into large differences in strength and speed. Men have about 90% greater upper-body strength, a difference of approximately three standard deviations (Abe et al., 2003, Lassek and Gaulin, 2009). The average man is stronger than 99.9% of women (Lassek & Gaulin, 2009). Men also have about 65% greater lower body strength (Lassek and Gaulin, 2009, Mayhew and Salm, 1990), over 45% higher vertical leap, and over 22% faster sprint times (Mayhew & Salm, 1990). Contrary to earlier claims, sex differences in anaerobic sprint speeds are not narrowing (Cheuvront et al., 2005, Seiler et al., 2007).
I'm sure some will say 'oh well women are more likely to die because they are physically less able' . . .
Thank you for making this … morethread, but I did want to address something that's always made me annoyed: the assumption that 'men are stronger than women.'
The thing is - yes, on average, many men are more strong physically than women. But those statistics? They don't apply to individual people, they apply to a whole group that was surveyed and studied, a whole population. There are many physically "capable" women and many physically "incapable" men. To say that "men are stronger than women, it's a fact" is a logical fallacy.
I guess you could say ... that "not all men" are stronger than (all) women.
(See what I did there, MRAs? See? I used your words. I used your words against you. Amazing.)
The average man is stronger than 99.9% of women (Lassek & Gaulin, 2009).
Huh. I have to say, that's a pretty surprising statistic. I would have expected that percentage to be between 80 and 90.
Still, physical strength doesn't necessarily equal survival. Testosterone, the hormone that is believed to cause these differences in muscle mass between men and women, also leads to heightened aggression, impulsiveness, and anti-social behavior. Being a big, angry, hulking tough guy only gets you so far if you're alone.
The vast majority of men are stronger than women, yes.
These differences in muscularity translate into large differences in strength a… morend speed. Men have about 90% greater upper-body strength, a difference of approximately three standard deviations (Abe et al., 2003, Lassek and Gaulin, 2009). The average man is stronger than 99.9% of women (Lassek & Gaulin, 2009). Men also have about 65% greater lower body strength (Lassek and Gaulin, 2009, Mayhew and Salm, 1990), over 45% higher vertical leap, and over 22% faster sprint times (Mayhew & Salm, 1990). Contrary to earlier claims, sex differences in anaerobic sprint speeds are not narrowing (Cheuvront et al., 2005, Seiler et al., 2007).
Sometimes it feels like I'm yelling at a brick wall, but it's nice to know that my (to quote Clem_is_awesome) "social justice warrioring" ha… mores indeed had an effect on people.
I'm just sick of seeing such backlash when the topic of representation comes up. It's bizarre, how angry the topic of diversity makes people. It's just bizarre to me because it's such a positive thing and a lot of us want to discuss it in a light-hearted and positive way, but people like Syracuse come in and say horrible things like that, and suddenly the environment turns toxic.
How can such a progressive and diverse game have so many backwards fans? I don't know. Maybe it's just that all fans are this shitty, but that fact that TWDG is so diverse is ironically what reveals it, because otherwise it wouldn't be a topic that's even brought up. Ugh.
I thought that was kinda cool doing that, and Clem becoming a little warrior at that moment too. That bit where she had to pull that axe out of from the walkers head just in time to take down that other walker coming towards her was really kickass! =D
There's a video out there somewhere where scientists simulated labor pains on men, and their reactions really do say it all. I'll see if I can find it.
for instance, when we met the farm group, you had Hershel and shawn, Kenny and duck. but Hershel actually had a bunch of daughters who we never got to see. the drug store group had Lilly, former air force, and Carley, former reporter. It make's sense for Lilly's dad to be there, so lets discount him. that leaves us with Glenn, comic character, and doug. so the drugstore group had... Doug. the only male character who just so happened to be there. Larry was added because Lilly was there, Glenn was added because of the comic.
It's not coincidental that there were twice as many men as women while we met like 5 different groups, that just can't be true.
Think about it, how many games consistently have it the other way around? Where there are twice as many women as men?
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"As far as I know. If there's any other influence, it would be asian. We did not "give her caucasian features to make her more palatable."" - Telltale Artist
Like i said, it makes sense because of the setting.
Its not unrealistic, just coincidence I say. If the group happened to be all male or female for a time then so be it.
"Social justice warrior"? Eh, usually I try to adhere to more of a rogue/thief kind of gameplay style.
It's not coincidental that there were twice as many men as women while we met like 5 different groups, that just can't be true.
Think about it, how many games consistently have it the other way around? Where there are twice as many women as men?
Really? What culture or society did women build from the ground up? Which civilization has had women play an essential, technical role in its foundation beyond the symbolic? What are some ancient female philosophers you can name? Why was it so easy for men to take women's rights away from a historical standpoint if they're so equal? Why aren't women strong enough to oppress men? Why did ancient armies use animals more than they did women in combat?
Has there ever been a great female military strategist? I can name a lot of men: Hannibal Barca, Napoleon Bonaparte, Sun Tzu, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar, Alexander as some of the world's most noteworthy.
I would argue that out of that list, only Clem, Lara and Jodie are true protagonists. I mean, we've had women on our side in games for a very long time, but having playable female protagonists, as they are, is much rarer.
But, as I go on to say, we see more male corpses than female corpses.
And also, in the game female walkers are just as much of a threat as male ones.
Oh yay. Some kinda sexist fuck.
Please leave, no one would welcome you.
True, but these arguments happen a lot in games. I've always seen it as a coincidence, like it is now.
Did you seriously just say that women brought about their own oppression, and then ranked ANIMALS higher than them?
Is this a joke? Did you seriously just do that?* Are you a real human that actually functions in society?*
Oh, and here are some strong women leaders for you: Boudica, Cleopatra, Joan of Arc, Hatshepsut, Wu Zeitan, Ching Shih, Deborah Samson, Harriet Tubman... to name a few. Read a damn book.
That would require basic intelligence though.
What about me? I AM useful.
Skooth, you're honestly the only reason this forum hasn't completely destroyed every last shred of my faith in humanity.
The answer to all these questions is men. Who wrote the history books? especially in Western civilization, which seems to enjoy leaving out all the non-white and non-males. I would write more but I'm honestly disgusted that someone decided to take the time to write such an idiotic and uneducated comment. Do not blame inequality on the oppressed. It's not women's fault that they don't overcome men, it's men's fault that they have encouraged a system of oppression on women for centuries.
I had not noticed... it's true!
It is what it is, for me. I do not see it as something good or bad; it just is.
Sometimes it feels like I'm yelling at a brick wall, but it's nice to know that my (to quote Clem_is_awesome) "social justice warrioring" has indeed had an effect on people.
I'm just sick of seeing such backlash when the topic of representation comes up. It's bizarre, how angry the topic of diversity makes people. It's just bizarre to me because it's such a positive thing and a lot of us want to discuss it in a light-hearted and positive way, but people like Syracuse come in and say horrible things like that, and suddenly the environment turns toxic.
How can such a progressive and diverse game have so many backwards fans? I don't know. Maybe it's just that all fans are this shitty, but that fact that TWDG is so diverse is ironically what reveals it, because otherwise it wouldn't be a topic that's even brought up. Ugh.
I think human development might've skipped a step for them.
But seriously, they probably get a kick out of joining a random thread and doing something because they think they're annoying someone.
Thank you for making this thread, but I did want to address something that's always made me annoyed: the assumption that 'men are stronger than women.'
The thing is - yes, on average, many men are more strong physically than women. But those statistics? They don't apply to individual people, they apply to a whole group that was surveyed and studied, a whole population. There are many physically "capable" women and many physically "incapable" men. To say that "men are stronger than women, it's a fact" is a logical fallacy.
I guess you could say ... that "not all men" are stronger than (all) women.
(See what I did there, MRAs? See? I used your words. I used your words against you. Amazing.)
I don't know if anyone's said this yet, but I did notice at the end of episode 3 this season that after Carlos got killed and Clem had to fight some walkers while Sarah ran off, it's only the female cast that you see around within the herd that are kicking butt with her in that final scene [Jane, Sarita & Bonnie]. Granted Rebecca isn't there fighting given she's pregnant I guess, but Kenny, Luke, Nick and Mike don't show up at all. I checked.
I thought that was kinda cool doing that, and Clem becoming a little warrior at that moment too. That bit where she had to pull that axe out of from the walkers head just in time to take down that other walker coming towards her was really kickass! =D
I know I've told you before (though you wouldn't know it - it was on tumblr, I'm transarlert there) but seeing your posts (and BenUseful's, and everyone else's who stands up for these things!) really does make me feel a little better after seeing so many completely backwards people around here. It's good to know that there are still people out there who aren't bigoted assholes. It's easy to forget sometimes when you're swimming through a sea of bigots like there seems to be in this fandom.
Diversity truly should be a positive thing, and it's horrible to think that so many people are so, well, offended by it. The whole environment truly is toxic, and it really shouldn't be
I guess I should be happy that TWDG is so diverse because of that fact alone, however, and not unhappy because of what it means for the fanbase.
Proof?
Are there? I hadn't really noticed any patterns among non-walker corpses. Then again, I didn't notice the higher female to male ratio in the group until I saw this thread, so I'm obviously not the most perceptive person in the world when it comes to that sort of thing.
And yeah, I guess since all it takes is a single bite to infect you, physical strength might not be that important after all. Still, you don't see many children or old people walkers lurking around.
Boudicca got defeated by the Romans pretty quickly, Cleopatra wasn't a strategist or a military leader (closest she got is having dated one, Julius Caesar), Joan of Arc is the exception to this, though she likely had more inspirational/symbolic power as opposed to strategic competence. Dunno about the others. There's competent women who were in a position of power and leadership, just far less.
No, I'm saying they're easier to oppress than men, meaning the power struggle is not an equal one by definition.
Well the sad part is that a lot of them actually believe the ridiculous things they say.
Cleopatra dated Anthony more famously, fyi, and actually, as the queen of a country, she was a strategist of sorts. She was Queen before she met either of them, you know.
Dido, Queen of Carthage, is similar: she manages to raise up a people in extremely harsh physical conditions and locations, and this people goes on to become one of Rome's main challengers.
Also, the reason there aren't many female strategists in history is because men thought they wouldn't be able to do it, and suppressed them.
The fact that people believed they were less able in this respect in the past in a fashion which is now considered outdated does NOT mean that women are actually less able strategists.
Yeah, and Napoleon was exiled and Julius Caesar was stabbed by forty-odd pasty old senators, including a man he considered to be as close as a son. They didn't have the success they could have, either. So what's your point?
Idk man, you said, "Has there ever been a great female military strategist?" and now you're saying "There's some competent women who were in a position of power and leadership, just far less." You're kind of flipflopping here now and I already stopped taking you seriously the moment you said, "Women are terrible at fighting and surviving" so I'm not even sure why I'm humoring this.
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Although I wouldn't say it was 'men's' fault, I'd say it was 'those men's fault' because not all men are like that now to any degree, and shouldn't take blame for it.
O)h absolutely, I can think of maybe one or two female corpses (only one off the top of my head) and at least 5 male ones.
I'm not advocating that opinion - it is not one I myself hold - I was merely anticipating a reason lots of people would give
The vast majority of men are stronger than women, yes.
Huh. I have to say, that's a pretty surprising statistic. I would have expected that percentage to be between 80 and 90.
Still, physical strength doesn't necessarily equal survival. Testosterone, the hormone that is believed to cause these differences in muscle mass between men and women, also leads to heightened aggression, impulsiveness, and anti-social behavior. Being a big, angry, hulking tough guy only gets you so far if you're alone.
Take my vote, couldn't have said it better myself.
Most men would've passed out when giving birth, women can handle more pain when they put their back to it.
THAT WAS THE BEST MOMENT IN THAT SCENE.
Oh reaally ? how many births did you give then ?
There's a video out there somewhere where scientists simulated labor pains on men, and their reactions really do say it all. I'll see if I can find it.
for instance, when we met the farm group, you had Hershel and shawn, Kenny and duck. but Hershel actually had a bunch of daughters who we never got to see. the drug store group had Lilly, former air force, and Carley, former reporter. It make's sense for Lilly's dad to be there, so lets discount him. that leaves us with Glenn, comic character, and doug. so the drugstore group had... Doug. the only male character who just so happened to be there. Larry was added because Lilly was there, Glenn was added because of the comic.
Mythbusters proved in an episode that women have a higher pain threshold, for what it's worth.
Childbirth is a special case, due to the amount of hormones coarsing through the body. Generally speaking, men endure pain better than women.