Beauty and the Beast...oh I don't like them
They were doing dirty works behind sheriff's back, and caused all the troubles only because they wanted to have luxury house? Seriously?
I think they are lower than Dum and Dee,
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No, they are not low. They are quite fabulous, maybe a little bit too fab in that matter.
They're just trying to get by. Yeah, they consulted the Crooked Man, but hasn't everyone else? Johann, Tiny Tim, Crane, and many more? Not all these Fables are bad people, the only bad people are the Crooked Man and his direct Henchmen (Dum, Dee, Mary, Jersey, Georgie.) Everyone else is just trying to make a living. It really IS Fabletown's fault for letting this happen. If they didn't have such high standards, more animals at the farm would be able to purchase glamours, Beauty and Beast wouldn't have to work multiple jobs to keep their apartment, and the girls at the Puddin' and Pie wouldn't have to get into prostitution. It's a corrupt system of power that the Crooked Man has set up. You heard Beast; He had no clue what the boxes he delivered ever had in them, he just did it so he could pay the rent each month and afford to keep him and his wife fed, and off the streets. Because of Fabletown's financial standing (Utterly bankrupt), Things are more expensive than you'd think. It's hard to live among the Mundies, since they'd notice that you don't age. The woodland apartments have special spells protecting Fables to keep Mundies from getting curious. The witches ask for top dollar for Glamour so they can keep these spells in place. It's really hard to explain it all, but you'd understand a little better if you seen it for yourself in the comics. Of course, this "Crooked Man" Situation was made by Telltale, but all the reason for it make sense, since they're real problems that the Fabletown Government has to deal with. And it does get dealt with eventually. I'm sorry If I angered you in anyway, I'm just trying to ask you to give some of the characters a break. They aren't all malicious, some are just in tight spots and everyone is stressed beyond belief.
I don't mind helping someone out. I've been nice since the 1st episode. Trying to create a new 'Bigby' while I play. But after this, especially finding out they were taking loans because they were 'used to a certain life' is annoying the hell out of me. Plus, Beast giving me an attitude when I answered the door? Really?
They didn't shoot at anyone!!
The way they were speaking in episode 4 was kinda ridiculous, but I'm sure everyone knows people who live beyond their means. Once people elevate to a certain status/wealth threshold, its very hard for them to live below that. I was more f-ed up about them suggesting I should kill CM.
Beauty and Beast are just weak. Dee and Dum, however, are psychopaths.They had a twisted grin on their faces while they went to shoot the shit out of Bigby.
It's insane to say that the Tweedles are better people than Beauty and Beast.
It's like they said, they used to be royalty so they're used to a certain standard of living. It's hard to go from that to being poor, I imagine. Look what hsppened to Faith and her husband. No one was getting any help from the home office.
The difference is, Faith and Lawrence were actually destitute. Even though they were once royalty, they weren't trying to continue living as though they still were. They were just doing what they can to get by. Beauty and Beast think that because they used to be royalty, they should be entitled to better lifestyle than other Fables. And they're willing to do shady things and get other people to do shady things to support that lifestyle. That's just pure greed.
Are you forgetting that Lawrence attempted suicide because he couldn't think of a way to give Faith the life she deserved, and Faith got tangled up with Georgie and the Crooked Man because of that. Lawrence is proof that the Crooked Man is a liar.
He tried to commit suicide because he saw that he was a burden on Faith. She was prostituting herself and sending him money to take care of him. That's scraping to get by. Compare their apartment to Beauty and Beast's. It's night and day.
The only part I disagree with is the' just getting by' thing which, sorry to be so blunt, was absolute bull crap. They weren't 'just trying to get by', they were trying to spoil themselves. You saw their apartment, they had a lot of stuff in there that they really, really didn't need. They just wanted them. I can understand not wanting to live as 'just getting by', everyone wants to live in comfort, but that doesn't change that they were putting other people in danger and making the situation worse by giving more power to the people who already have it. They knew what they were doing was shady, it didn't matter to them as long as they could have nice things. I won't say they are anywhere near as bad as say, the crooked man, but they are very much guilty for what they have done. They even said it themselves, they were trying to live relatively close to what they were used to. That is not 'just getting by'. They got greedy, plain and simple. However, it is right to say that the system is very flawed and needs to be changed, because it isn't their fault what happened to them, just their actions in response to what happened to them. But if you honestly think that 'just getting by' is about what you 'want', rather than what you 'need', then you definitely need to reevaluate how spoiled you are.
Lawrence is prideful, and prone to depression when his pride is taken. His depression is telling him he's a burden. He wants to bring in the money, that's a sense of pride. The fact that he couldn't leads to depression and feeling like a burden. Beauty loves painting and Beast is strong and by Beast's word when you tell him to quit gives a sense of him having multiple jobs, probably as a mechanic since he was called to fix a fridge before he got the Crooked Man job. Fables also have to change jobs when working for mundies making it very hard to make ends meet.
When Beauty went for the machine, I thought she was embarrassed about that message lol
Well, I dont know what its like to be rich and then suddenly be poor, so Im trying not to judge. I feel like Faith was a little more humble because of the hardships she went through and she seemed a bit more hardened and world weary. Beauty does feel like a princess. Maybe this experience will teach them a thing or two about how real people live.
Sounds like somebody knows about Beauty's Summer shopping spree. She must have a ton of maxed-out credit cards!
Same thing I thought the first time.
I still dont understand why the office never helps anyone. Even in the comic, people were lining up and Snow was giving them the "there's nothing I can do" line.
My guess is that Bluebeard gives just enough money for the spells cast on the Woodlands as well as the Farm and the pay of everyone that works at the Business Office.
Dee and Dum are much more 'evil' I know. But I think B&B couple is 'lower'.
I mean, they are immature, impudent, thoughtless. Need a certain quality of life? Who doesn't want that? Of course mayor office can be blamed for 'not offering' stable environment for fables, but B&B think they can weasel out of what they've done because they are special.
At least DD bros know they are bad, they don't ask Bigby to take care of their own messes, they don't think they are victims.
B&B don't kill, I know, they are not evil, but they are just disgusting.
My opinion didnt really change. They are under as much stress as anyone else. They just want the lifestyle they are adjusted to, they want stability and security, like anyone does. Just because they have nicer wallpaper than bigby doesn't mean they are dicks. After all they can't have been that well off if both had to lie to each other about secret jobs (they wouldn't lie unless it was desperate, because dont they have the best relationship in fabletown?) I think they believe they are stuck between a rock and a hard place and are unsure who can protect them both financially and physically, without it coming back to bite them in the ass. But beast was asking for his eyes to be gouged out again after that snide comment about bigby.
I don't know. There is a difference between a nice, clean apartment and an expensive one. Most apartments we have seen looked shitty because the people living there didn't keep it in a good condition. Woodsman is a alcoholic, prince lawrence is depressive, bigby works so much he doesn't even have time to sleep and toad cares more about his car then about his apartment.
Beauty and Beast lived in this apartment for a pretty long time. Maybe they bought the stuff over the course of several years or even decades and just keeped it in shape. And i'm pretty sure they didn't buy the paintings, beauty painted them herself.
Was I the only one being a smart ass to them and freaking pissed when you walked into the apartment? 'Trying to get by." Please...you wanted it to feel more like home, buy new curtains. 'I took out a loan, to help pay rent...' Go out and find work. I'm SURE there are places but they are too proud to fall in that category; Fuck, Bigby's apartment looks like shit and then you have Fables like Gren that work their asses off for a glamour and live in poverty. Felt like telling them to get their head out their asses.
Bigby's apartment looks like shit because Bigby is at work for 72 hrs straight and Colin constantly crashes in. Holly's bar reminds Gren of his past. Bigby's couch reminds him of his past. Beast took on 2 jobs, 1st probably being mechanic "Johann called for help with the refrigeration unit". Beauty & Beast do exaggerate though compared to everyone else who only choose 1 thing from the past.
On the "giving them a break" front, I'd just like to point out that Beast's natural advantages in strength and stamina is probably what has kept them afloat for the past four hundred years, and that manual labor has been drastically undermined by corporate jobs, and muscle work by machines, in the past century. That's probably why they're in a tight spot now. Gren, Holly and Lily too, for that matter. Imagine that you've been one of the aces in your industry for 400 years, and then society changes practically overnight, making your natural aptitude and all the skills you've lived by and supported your family through almost worthless. Also consider that married women have only been expected to work actual jobs for a living for the past few decades, and that TWAU is set in the 80's. It's absolutely no wonder that they're having a hard time adjusting.
I get the sense that their attempt to reconstruct some of their old circumstances is part of a deeper identity crisis, and more of a phase than anything else. They're trying to feel like they're still good people living "happily ever after", and that was hard enough when Beast still had highly marketable abilities, even though being forced to work in and of itself was a huge loss of status when they first landed in the mundy world. But when the Crooked Man's business goes belly-up, they're going to have to sell all that luxurious furniture to make rent again and then they'll be back to square one, no real harm done.
The way I see it, the main difference between Lawrence+Faith's and Beast+Beauty's situations is that Lawrence didn't have anything, not even brute strength, to offer when they came to our world, leaving all the pressure to provide on Faith who had her beauty and at least a modicum of experience living by her wits, as she managed to survive by herself before meeting Lawrence back in the Homelands. I don't know if Beauty would have been willing to prostitute herself to support Beast, their fairy tale is about him earning her affection after all, but I'm glad she didn't have to.
Very good points