A Small, Very Small, Shred of Compassion for Troy.
ClematorTheDestoyer
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Now I hate Troy just as much as the next guy but did anyone else have the slight bit of remorse for him when they saw the look on his face as Carver was beating Kenny? I mean he should have done something which makes me still hate him but I feel bad because i know he truly didn't want that to happen
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He also saved Clem from the walkers. I know that he did that just because the camp would've been infested otherwise, but he still could've easily let Clementine die and say it was an accident.
nope, he didn't feel bad when he slapped a little girl, pushed her around, and hit her with the butt of his gun did he? he's a jerk and he always will be
EDIT: also the only reason he looks like that is probably cause he's scared carvers gonna do that to him some day, i doubt he actually felt bad for kenny in that moment.
Troy's a faithful follower, that's his one and only redeemable quality. Other than that, fuck Troy, and the horse he rode in on.
I liked Troy, I think he was just scared of Carver, that's why he acted like he did.
I think he was just doing what he had to do to survive. He's in a bad position of follow orders or get beaten to death (or near death like Kenny). But you never know, he could've just been an asshole and we're looking too far into it.
I think he's just your typical lapdog who has his limits. Troy's being watching a man get slowly beaten to death, and watching a girl get chewed up.
He was just scared of Carver.
Watch it again:
That look wasn't to Carver - it was to Bonnie coming in and stopping Carver (you captured the frame the millisecond before he turns his eyes to Bonnie entering the room). He raises his eyebrows like that only when Bonnie starts talking. (See around 2:02 in the vid, but it's good to watch the series of events leading up to it too.)
You're forgetting that JUST before this moment, he smashed Clem's face with the butt of his rifle (or Sarita's) and said "you little shit" when she was running up to stop Carver. He was actively using a weapon to stop people from stopping Carver. He wasn't having second thoughts about what Carver was doing; he was shocked at Bonnie standing up to Carver.
EDIT: lol at 2 downvotes 1 minute after I posted this comment (with no-one actually replying to say why I'm wrong). Downvote all you like, but it's the truth. No-one is saying you're wrong to have pity for Troy; I'm just giving proper context to that freeze-frame. Sorry if that upsets you bro.
Well, he didn't need to have a death like he did, he was an asshole, but I think he still had some humanity...
He had his limits. I don't think it was exactly humanity.
To be honest, once you hit a little girl with the butt of your gun and enjoy watching a father slapping his daughter across the face that person loses all credibility in my eyes.
Troy had what was coming to him.
Would've meant more if he actually did something like Bonnie did, but he didn't, because he's a coward.
Being a bystander automatically puts you on the side of the oppressor, because doing nothing allows people to get hurt. Doesn't matter how many sad faces you make. You did nothing, therefore this means nothing.
if troy let one from the group die carver will kill him maybe
Agreed.
I like Troy, as a character, same as people like Nate. His death was funny doe
I remember when Jane was trying to talk Troy into coming with them [pretending anyway] that for a brief moment I felt sorry for him by how he said 'but where would we go?' and that maybe he did care for Jane...but then I realized he's a total asshole who hit Clem with a gun and I thought then 'shoot his dick!' and so Jane did.
400 days could have done a history for troy like it did for other carver people
I kind of feel pity for Troy, because what if he redeemed himself if he went with the group through the herd of walkers? He just wanted to leave with them, and got shot in the babymaker in return. I dunno though
To be fair, Bonnie was in this exact same position at EP2, she felt uncomfortable and didn´t like what she was doing, since has good moral values inside of her, but she had a job to do and had her reasons to be loyal to Carver("I´m alive because of him, that´s just a fact"). Troy is clearly more hardened and adept to Carver´s violent methods, but his reaction still gave some sign of compassion and good morality sealed in him, that could be developed and used to turn him around like Bonnie did, although it would be much harder compared to her case.
Bonnie doesn't hit little girls.
He might've pulled a Martinez and escaped back to Carver's camp overnight to tell them where the group was staying.
I actually saw how troy feared Carver..i would have taken him if i could... im a very forgiving person overall
I felt a little bad when Jane started seducing him, what with the way his expression and voice changed when he said "Where would we go?"
He was under pressure
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I feel like Cowboy Troy was a waste of potential. I mean they had him in episode 2 with no lines, and had Johnny as the loud mouthed idiot. I thought he was going to be this strong silent type, who would eventually pull a comic book Lilly on Carver after he has too much to take. But no, they have him as an angry, pimp slapping, redneck. But you know what? I do feel bad for Troy in IHW, almost NOONE deserves to have their crotch blown off and be mauled by walkers.
no man deserves such a fate...it's the bro code...and she BROKE IT...
I always thought Troy would have made for an interesting and complex villain. He saved Clem's life, and with that face he makes while Kenny's getting beat, I really wanted a scene where he explained to Clem (The Player) that he isn't just a bad guy, but he just tries too hard to impress Carver. Deep down, he might have been a compassionate guy despite the rudeness. It would have made for an odd dialogue option, when you could have yelled "No!" before Jane inevitably shot him.
Out of all the characters so far, Troy was someone I really wanted to like, but they made him too flat and one-dimensional. It's a shame.
I thought about something like that. Like somehow, you could convince the group to try to trust Troy, or stay silent and just let him die.
I know I use this one a lot, but...
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"Troy is clearly more hardened and adept to Carver´s violent methods"
Okay? Thanks for quoting yourself. He also hits little girls.
It's the apocalypse people will do whatever they think is right.
Okay? That doesn't mean I have to like it?
Doesn't mean you have to like what?
The things Troy does? This entire thread is dedicated to defending Troy. I don't care if it's an apocalyptic, survival mindset, or if he was scared of Carver, or what. There could be a lot of explanations. But I don't view them as excuses and none of them will change the fact that I think he's a creep who got what he deserved.
I think he should have been determinant and you could have caught on to Jane's act and saved him from the painful demise and through the next episode you'd be giving Troy his humanity back.
Okay.
If Troy was more silent and less of a jerk, he would have resembled Daryl from the TV series. They were both a bowman. "See, a rifleman could have been photographer or something, but a bowman is a bowman through and through". Anyways, not just because of the crossbow, because of the background story. Daryl is a redneck who is used to being the wingman and doing whatever the boss says, just like Troy(In this case, Joe was the boss of Daryl, Carver was the Boss of Troy). But the big difference is, Daryl would defend the right people even if it meant going against the boss. Troy on the other hand wouldn't. Like when Carver was beating on Kenny, and when Carver forced Carlos to hit Sarah, Troy didn't stop any of it because he didn't have the guts to stand up to the boss. Daryl would have stepped up, like how he stepped up to Joe when he was gonna claim revenge on Rick. Now that I think of it... holy shit Joe and Carver are alot alike; They both act and lead the same way and they look the same... Anyways, if Troy had stepped up to Carver at one of the scenes then he would definitely have a ticket to the group. Unfortunately he never did, which made me very dissapointed. Part of me wanted him to come along with us because he could change, but the other part of me said "he hit Clem, fuck him".
I really felt like typing today :P