Ben the unsung hero?
Ben messed up quite a lot but one criticism I don't think he deserves is that he's the reason that the motor inn situation went balls-up. Ben gave away medical supplies to the bandits under the impression that they had his friend and while that is a pretty selfish motive, he was actually doing the group a favour.
I believe both Kenny and Lee acknowledge that they barely managed to hold off the Bandits last time. If they had persisted with the attacks, the motor inn would have most likely fallen within days. However, Ben managed to get the bandits to stop attacking and give the group some much needed time to either leave or better prepare themselves for when the Bandits would strike again.
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Ben accidentally saved everyone's ass. I wouldn't call him an unsung hero, though.
He IS the reason the motor inn situation went balls-up. He DID keep the bandits off their backs by giving them supplies, but he never told anyone about it. THAT is the reason everything went to shit, and it's Ben's fault for not telling everyone what was going on beforehand. If they'd known what was going on, they could have easily prevented the bandit raid that resulted in Duck being bitten and everything else that happened after that.
I agree that to call him an unsung hero is a bit extreme, I merely wanted a catchy title. But I don't think enough credit is given to him for saving the group, even if it was unintentional.
I approve of this statement.
But seriously, did you see how many arrows were on the walls of the inn and how easy was it for the bandits to get inside and takeout everyone but Lee and Lily?
And people bitch that Ben kicked them out when if it weren't for him, they'd've been dead or gone just slightly earlier.
Ben is indirectly responsible for 5 peoples deaths (Katja,Duck,Carley/Doug,Chuck,Brie) and he left Clementine to die on the road without helping her, back in Savannah. Yes, he is a true hero!
Well, I am giving him credit. Seems like othe people are too.
Ben pretty much admits to indirectly killing Katjaa and Duck. I think it says on the wiki that Chuck was indirectly killed by Ben. Brie was holding the door closed to prevent walkers from busting in.
Ben is a hero even if people can't accept it, like i said in other post if we are going to blame Ben Lilly deserves a part too, everything went down when Lilly shot so she is responsible for the shooting even when she meant well, let's move on, Ben wasn't responsible for Duck's care, that was Kenny and Katjaa, we can't blame ben when Katjaa refused to hold a gun, if she had a gun she could have killed the walker and prevent the bite, next one, Lilly killed Carley because she couldn't handle the truth, next one, Katjaa's death, she was the one who commited suicide, that wasn't Ben's fault, " one is responsible for his/her own actions" Katjaa decided to do it so she is responsible for that, Brie, well... I don't like her but she should know if there's a big horde of walkers she must stay away from windows and doors. Ben gave Kenny enough time to fix the RV who saved everyone, nobody died in the motor inn, only Duck when he got bitten. So he is a hero, like Lee said the bandits outnumbered them for weeks so at least with the trades they had enough time to leave.
People will say a lot of things when they're feeling guilty, or responsible. Sure he may of held some responsibility, just as Lee for removing the supplies, and Kenny for not being there to protect his son, however in the end it was Kenny's responsibility to watch out for his family. His wife killed herself, she made that choice, so in my mind it there is no blaming the kid.
Chuck died in the swears , doesn't explain how,
Brie wanted Vernon to shoot Lee, so.... Even if it was Ben's fault so to speak, in my opinion he did the world a favor here.
But the door Brie was holding was not busted.
Edit: never mind i read wrong xD yeah brie was holding it but she should have known they could break the glass
sure he did this, but the problem is he didn't let the group decide if they wanted to do this or not, if he let them decide they could escape or even get ready for an incoming attack instead of stealing and being secret about it.
I don't think Lilly would of acted the same way if her dad was still around. Who knows if Lee could have saved the old grump, but Kenny didn't help when he dropped a salt lick on his head. No wonder she went nuts and started popping people.
Yeah i agree with you, she was broken and mad she even justifed her act by saying she don't have anything left, and i understand her but that doesn't mean it was right. I like Lilly but she went full Shane.
No but i feel bad for her, i feel like it could have been prevented. All Lilly needed was a friend, they probably all ignored her as much as possible because no one wanted to step up and try to fix the boiler afraid that it might explode in their face. The pressure is building, and it will explode anyways.
1: Katjaa killed herself because Duck was bitten. Duck was bitten because the motor inn got attacked. The motor inn got attacked, because Ben was retarded, enough to give the bandits the groups supplies (that the group needed to survive) and hided it from them. Therefore he was indirectly responsible for their deaths. (He even admitted that himself)
2: Carley and Doug both died, because they were shot by Lilly (in Doug's case, to save Ben's life). Lilly shot them, because she thought they were the ones stealing the supplies. Ben stole the supplies and without him, this whole situation wouldn't even have happened. Therefore he was indirectly responsible for their deaths.
3: Chuck died, because he was saving Clementine's life, because Ben was cowardly enough to run away and leave Clementine to die. He did hide in the sewers and shot himself. Therefore he was indirectly responsible for his death.
4: Brie was holding the door closed, to prevent the Walkers from bursting in and died while she was doing that. The Walkers were chasing after the group, because Ben was retarded enough to take the cleaver that was stopping the Walkers from getting inside the school. Therefore he was indirectly responsible for her death.
I hope this answered all your questions, about our super hero Ben!
Yeah that's true, even if killing Carley like that was not right, killing Larry like that wasn't right either, I honestly thought Larry was alive, i understand the pain Lilly was going through she felt she had to let it out and she did it, i forgave her because i wanted to help her feel better.
Agreed. The problem isn't about making the deal in the first place, it's about Ben keeping the secret that inadvertently destroys half of the group. They may have been able to ration accordingly, fix the RV, and leave without Lilly's paranoia festering over it. Instead, things are left to escalate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e861UaYRDLE
Ben...our beloved superhero! (Exclude Kenny from this list)
1.) Actually i think you should replay that episode. If i remember correctly the reason why the bandits attacked was they didn't get their last bag of supplies, so technically if you want to blame someone other than Kenny than your only person is Lee here.
2.) Carley died because she said something to Lilly, and she lost her temper. Not Ben's fault...
b.) Doug died because he tried to save Ben's life by shoving him out of the way when Lilly was about to kill Ben. Ben again didn't pull the trigger.
3.) Chuck died in the Sewers, did you forget your Best Bud Kenny decided to leave Chuck behind "if you respond what about Chuck or something."
4.) Who braces a door with their body, kind of stupid in my opinion. You can't blame Brie's stupidity on Ben. She could have got a desk and used that to brace the door, There tons of options, but she decided to use her body stand right next to a windowed door. Then your buddy Kenny decided to have a conversation about if they should leave Ben behind or not. So if you want to blame someone for her death it would be Kenny, if they would of discussed this later and made for the door she would be alive.
Let me use some of your logic:
1: Bandits agree not to attack so long as they get medicine (which by the way wasn't NECESSARY. Lilly states it was mostly stuff containing morphine so the bandits could get high.) Lee takes away their latest package. Lilly shoots the bandits after Lee manages to make peace with them starting a shoot-out attracting the walkers. Walkers bite Duck. Lee and Lilly responsible for Duck and Katjaa's death.
2: Lilly is mentally unstable, paranoid and slightly psychotic which made her lose all rational and just shoot the first person she suspected of being the traiter. Losing her dad made her this way. Kenny killed Larry. Kenny is responsible for Carley/Doug's death.
3: Clementine didn't run away with Ben. Chuck was forced to save her. Clementine is responsible for his death.
I hope you realise how daft this all looks now.
Edit: The point I'm trying to get at is that it's foolish to try and create some vague connection between the death of a character and the action of another just to accuse them of indirectly causing a death.
What about his will to live?
Watching someone you care about die in front of you, can change you, i know from my own personal experiences in life. So i understand why it happened, and i chose forgiveness too.
Can't think think of a written response so a GIF is your response? Two can play at that game!
I didn't respond by writing, because there is absolutely no point to discuss about this. You can try to deny the fact that Ben is indirectly responsible for this deaths as much as you want, but he obviously is.
Agree to disagree.
Ben had some contribution to many people's death, but it wasn't all entirely his fault. Many people also had guilt.
1.carly/doug: yes, ben should have admitted it was him. Lilly, is the one who shot one of them. Kenny smashed her dad's head in even if he could be alive, which she couldn't have been thinking straight after witnessing that. So they all had some contribution
2.katjaa, duck: he couldn't controll katjaa, that was her decition. Yes, ben may have brought the bandits over, but that walker wasn't his fault. The bandits are the one who manipulated ben into making the deal by telling him they had his friend, and them coming was partially lee's fault.
3.chuck: molly is the one who rung the bell, so in that case the whole group was in danger. Ben ran away which did have an affect, but the other's could have easily helped him. Or chuck could have ran for it and joined back with the group.
Brie: ok, ben was pretty stupid for letting the walkers in. Brie, wasn't very careful. And vernon is the one who brought her there, despite it being dangerous,
Ben isn't exaculy a hero, but not everything is entirely his fault. (I'm still pissed though he left clementine on the street, but im sure he felt pretty bad afterwards)