Troy was one of the most interesting characters this season. And by that I mean he wasn't obviously bad or good. He simply was a man, who had to work for an even crueler man to survive. Did his character have flaws? Certainly. Is that bad? Hell no. Flaws are what make characters feel more human to the players. He was more believable than someone like Jane, for all we could have seen from her. Would have loved to have him in the group to see one more guy who wouldn't simply agree with everything, aside from Kenny. These days, it's either Kenny's plan or everybody else's plan. Poor Kenny is always the underdog of the group. Troy could have changed that.
Yes he was. I'm surprised so many people like him. I guess people like seeing Clem and co. getting pushed around like slaves. And you know what, even if Troy wasn't a bad person at heart, he was still a mindless follower who isn't very intelligent to begin with. He's certainly not a hero, and he's not even that great of an antagonist. He's just one of Carver's guard dogs. That single look of sympathy he gives when Kenny is getting beaten is not enough to salvage his character.
And to the people who think he would have been useful had he joined the cabin group: just look at how useful he was to Carver, who considers him a useless dumbass. He was worthless to Carver and he would have been worthless to the cabin group. I really don't think this guy deserves much sympathy. For all we know, Kenny might be dying of an eye infection. So thanks, Troy, for your look of sympathy. It really did a lot of good.
Troy was one of the most interesting characters this season. And by that I mean he wasn't obviously bad or good. He simply was a man, who ha… mored to work for an even crueler man to survive. Did his character have flaws? Certainly. Is that bad? Hell no. Flaws are what make characters feel more human to the players. He was more believable than someone like Jane, for all we could have seen from her. Would have loved to have him in the group to see one more guy who wouldn't simply agree with everything, aside from Kenny. These days, it's either Kenny's plan or everybody else's plan. Poor Kenny is always the underdog of the group. Troy could have changed that.
I don't see how he wasn't obviously bad. Look at Tavia; she worked for a cruel man to survive as well, and yet never felt the need to abuse anybody, shout at anybody, insult anybody, or try and come off as tougher than she actually was. She gave the orders and that was that. Troy, on the other hand, liked to be a dick and throw his weight around. Flaws are cool, sure. Flaws that show what a petty loser a character is tend to be there for us to dislike. Could he have come back from all that? Yeah, sure, with the right writing. But I don't see the interest in Troy's potential. I'd have rather have seen Carlos get more development, and Pete, and a bunch of other characters that died that had potential for interesting stories and weren't unlikable jerks.
And Kenny is hardly in a position to be pitied, like he's the unpopular kid or something. One of the good things episode 3 did was really put Kenny's flawed plans into the light, showing that he doesn't think this stuff through, hence why people don't agree. The guy was prepared to have them march through a herd of walkers well before he knew anything about the camouflage tactic. That says it all right there.
Troy was one of the most interesting characters this season. And by that I mean he wasn't obviously bad or good. He simply was a man, who ha… mored to work for an even crueler man to survive. Did his character have flaws? Certainly. Is that bad? Hell no. Flaws are what make characters feel more human to the players. He was more believable than someone like Jane, for all we could have seen from her. Would have loved to have him in the group to see one more guy who wouldn't simply agree with everything, aside from Kenny. These days, it's either Kenny's plan or everybody else's plan. Poor Kenny is always the underdog of the group. Troy could have changed that.
You can't really say everyone else in Carver's camp was innocent at this point. After all, what did we see from Tavia in that episode? Next to nothing. Compared with Troy, she hardly ever interacted with the prisoners. She was more with the other guys of Carver's camp. And why the hell should she be violent or rude towards them? Of course we wouldn't see that side of her.
I also agree that Carlos, Pete and pretty much every character of season 2 could have used more character development. As far as it currently goes, the best you can say about them is that they are somewhat likable. But they easily could be so much more if we just would get the chance to get to know them better. Unfortunately, we didn't get the chance with Carlos, Pete or Alvin and most likely won't get to see much more from Nick either.
Yes, Kenny was shown to be hot headed and impulsive in this episode, and I think its effect could have been even better if at least there was one more rebellious character in the group. It could have made it harder for the player to pick a side when Kenny's plan wouldn't appear to be futile from the start. See, when Kenny says they should overpower guards and fight their way out, it immediately becomes obvious that the plan will fail, because no one else but Kenny has the guts to actually go with the plan. But when the numbers grow to 2 men willing to take on the enemy, chances start to look a lot better already. Maybe someone else from the group might get swayed by them and suddenly it would be 3 guys willing to go with the rebellious plan. Suddenly it doesn't look so futile anymore. The choice wouldn't be so obvious anymore.
That was just an example, btw. I know that Troy could not have possibly been with them at the time, but if he was now, scenarios like these could happen more often. I think it would also have been more interesting because Troy and Kenny share some common threads and yet would probably still not get along at all. It would lead to many scenes like "I really can't stand this bastard, but I got to agree with him."
Or, better yet, split the group into three factions, instead or only 2. Clem would have it even harder if she had to decide whether she supported the cabin group, Kenny/Sarita or the newcomer/underdogs Troy + maybe Jane?
Either way, I think there could have been done more with Troy. I think it's a shame he had to go so cheaply. Him getting shaned sort of felt like a cheap copy of Shane's move on Otis and thus had little impact on me. It was probably just a move to satisfy players who couldn't stand him, which, surprisingly, are a lot.
I don't see how he wasn't obviously bad. Look at Tavia; she worked for a cruel man to survive as well, and yet never felt the need to abuse … moreanybody, shout at anybody, insult anybody, or try and come off as tougher than she actually was. She gave the orders and that was that. Troy, on the other hand, liked to be a dick and throw his weight around. Flaws are cool, sure. Flaws that show what a petty loser a character is tend to be there for us to dislike. Could he have come back from all that? Yeah, sure, with the right writing. But I don't see the interest in Troy's potential. I'd have rather have seen Carlos get more development, and Pete, and a bunch of other characters that died that had potential for interesting stories and weren't unlikable jerks.
And Kenny is hardly in a position to be pitied, like he's the unpopular kid or something. One of the good things episode 3 did was really put Kenny's flawed plans into the light, showing that … [view original content]
Yes he was. I'm surprised so many people like him. I guess people like seeing Clem and co. getting pushed around like slaves. And you know w… morehat, even if Troy wasn't a bad person at heart, he was still a mindless follower who isn't very intelligent to begin with. He's certainly not a hero, and he's not even that great of an antagonist. He's just one of Carver's guard dogs. That single look of sympathy he gives when Kenny is getting beaten is not enough to salvage his character.
And to the people who think he would have been useful had he joined the cabin group: just look at how useful he was to Carver, who considers him a useless dumbass. He was worthless to Carver and he would have been worthless to the cabin group. I really don't think this guy deserves much sympathy. For all we know, Kenny might be dying of an eye infection. So thanks, Troy, for your look of sympathy. It really did a lot of good.
Fuck "the look on his face". A look is not enough; it isn't gonna stop a psychopath from beating another human being. A look isn't going to … moredo shit. Now maybe if he actually fucking said something, or used that damn assult rifle of his to shoot Carver, then I'd have some compassion for him. But he didn't do shit, so forget compassion. He got what was coming to him.
And why the hell should she be violent or rude towards them?
For the same reasons people like Troy are, because she's in a position of power over other people. The difference is Troy was a douchebag who was clearly "bad". Tavia was not despite also just being a person working for another person to survive in this world, which was your basis for Troy's character. My point was that nothing about Troy's position in the community makes his being an asshole any less unjustified.
Suddenly it doesn't look so futile anymore.
Maybe not futile, but extremely risky and unnecessarily so. One guy with a machine gun retaliates and you have one or two casualties right out of the gate, and then you're even more invariably screwed. It was just a poorly conceived idea all around.
I think it would also have been more interesting because Troy and Kenny share some common threads and yet would probably still not get along at all. It would lead to many scenes like "I really can't stand this bastard, but I got to agree with him."
I suppose, but it would probably feel like a rehash of the Kenny/Lilly thing in season 1, which was the same basic concept. Two sides of the same coin, but never getting along.
which, surprisingly, are a lot.
I agree, considering the very common glorifying of assholes like Nate so prominent in this fandom. Though I imagine most would begin to amusingly turn on Nate if he started smacking Clementine around too, which is what seems to have tipped the scale in favor of Troy hate.
You can't really say everyone else in Carver's camp was innocent at this point. After all, what did we see from Tavia in that episode? Next … moreto nothing. Compared with Troy, she hardly ever interacted with the prisoners. She was more with the other guys of Carver's camp. And why the hell should she be violent or rude towards them? Of course we wouldn't see that side of her.
I also agree that Carlos, Pete and pretty much every character of season 2 could have used more character development. As far as it currently goes, the best you can say about them is that they are somewhat likable. But they easily could be so much more if we just would get the chance to get to know them better. Unfortunately, we didn't get the chance with Carlos, Pete or Alvin and most likely won't get to see much more from Nick either.
Yes, Kenny was shown to be hot headed and impulsive in this episode, and I think its effect could have been even better if at least th… [view original content]
I didn't mean to be cold; I'm just really compassionate towards Clem and Kenny, and when someone hurts them or lets them get hurt, I simply don't like that person. If Kenny is being beaten with a walkie-talkie and you do nothing to help him, you are definitely not getting on my good side.
And if you hit Clementine with the butt of a rifle when she tries to help him? Well then you've just made yourself a new enemy.
Felt absolutely no compassion for Troy since he
1.Slaps Clementine
2.Did nothing while Carver beat Kenny and even buttstrokes Clementi… morene for trying to stop it
3.Is a complete asshole to Clementine the whole episode. He even yells at Clem for making him save her
But he still hits her, showing that it's an in-character decision for him. There's other ways he could have prevented her from reaching Kenny. He didn't have to hit her in the face with his gun.
Troy doesn't give a crap about Clementine or any of the other group members. He calls her "as dumb as Sarah" and admits that he would have no qualms about slapping the hell out of Sarah. All he's concerned about is himself living through another day and staying on Carver's good side. You could argue that him saving Clementine was him saving his own ass (he wouldn't have to explain to Carver why she was dead while on his watch).
But he still hits her, showing that it's an in-character decision for him. There's other ways he could have prevented her from reaching Kenn… morey. He didn't have to hit her in the face with his gun.
Troy doesn't give a crap about Clementine or any of the other group members. He calls her "as dumb as Sarah" and admits that he would have no qualms about slapping the hell out of Sarah. All he's concerned about is himself living through another day and staying on Carver's good side. You could argue that him saving Clementine was him saving his own ass (he wouldn't have to explain to Carver why she was dead while on his watch).
If he had any compassion he could have either 1)shot Carver with his AK-47 or 2) just help Clem stop Carver but he didn't so that shows me he only cares about himself. Plus he didn't have to buttstroke Clementine since he could have easily grab and restrain her since he's double her size and do you have any idea what buttstoking someone can do to them? Here is a video explaining what a buttstroke can do http://youtu.be/Rhz3P86d-Ko He's lucky that one blow didn't do the same amount of damage as the beating Carver gave to Kenny
I've been kicked in the groin and I can easily ignore the pain long enough to continue fighting. The reason the girl was able to hit the guy despite getting punched in the boob was because she had a higher pain tolerance than he did
in fact heres a video where a guy punched a girls boob and then she kicks him in the balls, if you notice, the girl can easily go and try to… more hit the guy and when the guy gets hit he collapses on the ground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeJM3l3D_pE
I remember someone from these forums said that Jane shot him in the groin or privates because its classic sign of a rape victim. I don't know if I would feel sorry for him if she really got raped by him. And clearly rape happens in TWD, esp because everyone has already said that Rebecca was probably raped by Carver. I get maybe he has been manipulated too like everyone else, but Carver never asked him to rape anyone. Even with his personality.
Well said! What I don't get is why you have 6 upvotes, no downvotes, for saying the same thing as Dont_Look_Back, who only got downvotes for saying it (before my upvote). It's depressing to think that people find guys a better and more trustworthy source on the pain girls feel than girls themselves, and that people less willing to listen to a girl give an argument but willingly agree when a guy gives it.
Child birth hurts A LOT im a boy and im 100% surethat hurts more, i bet women would rather feel a kick where it hurt us the most than the pain they must feel when giving birth :l but i bet women forget about the pain as soon as they see their baby
I didn't mean to be cold; I'm just really compassionate towards Clem and Kenny, and when someone hurts them or lets them get hurt, I simply … moredon't like that person. If Kenny is being beaten with a walkie-talkie and you do nothing to help him, you are definitely not getting on my good side.
And if you hit Clementine with the butt of a rifle when she tries to help him? Well then you've just made yourself a new enemy.
Tavia called Clem's new jacket ugly. Therefore, SHE IS A VILE INHUMAN BEING WITHOUT ANY COMPASSION AND MUCH WORSE THAN TROY <
(also she may have killed Carlos, which could have been an accident but maybe not)
I don't see how he wasn't obviously bad. Look at Tavia; she worked for a cruel man to survive as well, and yet never felt the need to abuse … moreanybody, shout at anybody, insult anybody, or try and come off as tougher than she actually was. She gave the orders and that was that. Troy, on the other hand, liked to be a dick and throw his weight around. Flaws are cool, sure. Flaws that show what a petty loser a character is tend to be there for us to dislike. Could he have come back from all that? Yeah, sure, with the right writing. But I don't see the interest in Troy's potential. I'd have rather have seen Carlos get more development, and Pete, and a bunch of other characters that died that had potential for interesting stories and weren't unlikable jerks.
And Kenny is hardly in a position to be pitied, like he's the unpopular kid or something. One of the good things episode 3 did was really put Kenny's flawed plans into the light, showing that … [view original content]
Troy is a fuckwit.. end of discussion, he was made to be hated and died like he was meant to .. didn't know him for that long... didn't like him... Couldn't give two shits about him.
Troy is a fuckwit.. end of discussion, he was made to be hated and died like he was meant to .. didn't know him for that long... didn't like him... Couldn't give two shits about him.
I don't know man - look through this whole thread - the downvotes people are getting are weird, and for the littlest things, and some not even opinion, just factual statements (like that Bonnie didn't hit Sarah). I gave you ups to try to balance it out. I know that the OP was banned for insults and I know he had multiple accounts - I strongly suspect that he was (still is?) using his multiple accounts to downvote people because I saw comments just posted in reply to him get 3 dislikes within 1 minute.
I don't know what it is for sure but there's a lot of negativity and bitterness in this thread especially.
I don't know man - look through this whole thread - the downvotes people are getting are weird, and for the littlest things, and some not ev… moreen opinion, just factual statements (like that Bonnie didn't hit Sarah). I gave you ups to try to balance it out. I know that the OP was banned for insults and I know he had multiple accounts - I strongly suspect that he was (still is?) using his multiple accounts to downvote people because I saw comments just posted in reply to him get 3 dislikes within 1 minute.
I don't know what it is for sure but there's a lot of negativity and bitterness in this thread especially.
Kenny that let a woman be ripped apart by walkers? The excuse that she was bitten is moot because she actually wasn't bitten until Lee and Kenny just debated until she was. I like le Kenny lots but he's done brutal things before for his own good. Those characters both do horrible things for their own good
I didn't mean to be cold; I'm just really compassionate towards Clem and Kenny, and when someone hurts them or lets them get hurt, I simply … moredon't like that person. If Kenny is being beaten with a walkie-talkie and you do nothing to help him, you are definitely not getting on my good side.
And if you hit Clementine with the butt of a rifle when she tries to help him? Well then you've just made yourself a new enemy.
And why the hell should she be violent or rude towards them?
For the same reasons people like Troy are, because she's in a position … moreof power over other people. The difference is Troy was a douchebag who was clearly "bad". Tavia was not despite also just being a person working for another person to survive in this world, which was your basis for Troy's character. My point was that nothing about Troy's position in the community makes his being an asshole any less unjustified.
Suddenly it doesn't look so futile anymore.
Maybe not futile, but extremely risky and unnecessarily so. One guy with a machine gun retaliates and you have one or two casualties right out of the gate, and then you're even more invariably screwed. It was just a poorly conceived idea all around.
I think it would also have been more interesting because Troy and Kenny share some common threads and yet would probably still not get along at all. It wou… [view original content]
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Troy was one of the most interesting characters this season. And by that I mean he wasn't obviously bad or good. He simply was a man, who had to work for an even crueler man to survive. Did his character have flaws? Certainly. Is that bad? Hell no. Flaws are what make characters feel more human to the players. He was more believable than someone like Jane, for all we could have seen from her. Would have loved to have him in the group to see one more guy who wouldn't simply agree with everything, aside from Kenny. These days, it's either Kenny's plan or everybody else's plan. Poor Kenny is always the underdog of the group. Troy could have changed that.
Yes he was. I'm surprised so many people like him. I guess people like seeing Clem and co. getting pushed around like slaves. And you know what, even if Troy wasn't a bad person at heart, he was still a mindless follower who isn't very intelligent to begin with. He's certainly not a hero, and he's not even that great of an antagonist. He's just one of Carver's guard dogs. That single look of sympathy he gives when Kenny is getting beaten is not enough to salvage his character.
And to the people who think he would have been useful had he joined the cabin group: just look at how useful he was to Carver, who considers him a useless dumbass. He was worthless to Carver and he would have been worthless to the cabin group. I really don't think this guy deserves much sympathy. For all we know, Kenny might be dying of an eye infection. So thanks, Troy, for your look of sympathy. It really did a lot of good.
Troy could've redeemed himself by coming with the group and just leaving everything else behind.
I don't see how he wasn't obviously bad. Look at Tavia; she worked for a cruel man to survive as well, and yet never felt the need to abuse anybody, shout at anybody, insult anybody, or try and come off as tougher than she actually was. She gave the orders and that was that. Troy, on the other hand, liked to be a dick and throw his weight around. Flaws are cool, sure. Flaws that show what a petty loser a character is tend to be there for us to dislike. Could he have come back from all that? Yeah, sure, with the right writing. But I don't see the interest in Troy's potential. I'd have rather have seen Carlos get more development, and Pete, and a bunch of other characters that died that had potential for interesting stories and weren't unlikable jerks.
And Kenny is hardly in a position to be pitied, like he's the unpopular kid or something. One of the good things episode 3 did was really put Kenny's flawed plans into the light, showing that he doesn't think this stuff through, hence why people don't agree. The guy was prepared to have them march through a herd of walkers well before he knew anything about the camouflage tactic. That says it all right there.
I had the impression he would have gone with them, but then Jane happened...
I cringe everytime...
You can't really say everyone else in Carver's camp was innocent at this point. After all, what did we see from Tavia in that episode? Next to nothing. Compared with Troy, she hardly ever interacted with the prisoners. She was more with the other guys of Carver's camp. And why the hell should she be violent or rude towards them? Of course we wouldn't see that side of her.
I also agree that Carlos, Pete and pretty much every character of season 2 could have used more character development. As far as it currently goes, the best you can say about them is that they are somewhat likable. But they easily could be so much more if we just would get the chance to get to know them better. Unfortunately, we didn't get the chance with Carlos, Pete or Alvin and most likely won't get to see much more from Nick either.
Yes, Kenny was shown to be hot headed and impulsive in this episode, and I think its effect could have been even better if at least there was one more rebellious character in the group. It could have made it harder for the player to pick a side when Kenny's plan wouldn't appear to be futile from the start. See, when Kenny says they should overpower guards and fight their way out, it immediately becomes obvious that the plan will fail, because no one else but Kenny has the guts to actually go with the plan. But when the numbers grow to 2 men willing to take on the enemy, chances start to look a lot better already. Maybe someone else from the group might get swayed by them and suddenly it would be 3 guys willing to go with the rebellious plan. Suddenly it doesn't look so futile anymore. The choice wouldn't be so obvious anymore.
That was just an example, btw. I know that Troy could not have possibly been with them at the time, but if he was now, scenarios like these could happen more often. I think it would also have been more interesting because Troy and Kenny share some common threads and yet would probably still not get along at all. It would lead to many scenes like "I really can't stand this bastard, but I got to agree with him."
Or, better yet, split the group into three factions, instead or only 2. Clem would have it even harder if she had to decide whether she supported the cabin group, Kenny/Sarita or the newcomer/underdogs Troy + maybe Jane?
Either way, I think there could have been done more with Troy. I think it's a shame he had to go so cheaply. Him getting shaned sort of felt like a cheap copy of Shane's move on Otis and thus had little impact on me. It was probably just a move to satisfy players who couldn't stand him, which, surprisingly, are a lot.
Felt absolutely no compassion for Troy since he
1.Slaps Clementine
2.Did nothing while Carver beat Kenny and even buttstrokes Clementine for trying to stop it
3.Is a complete asshole to Clementine the whole episode. He even yells at Clem for making him save her
Well said!
"Damn, Girl/Boy, That's cold."
For the same reasons people like Troy are, because she's in a position of power over other people. The difference is Troy was a douchebag who was clearly "bad". Tavia was not despite also just being a person working for another person to survive in this world, which was your basis for Troy's character. My point was that nothing about Troy's position in the community makes his being an asshole any less unjustified.
Maybe not futile, but extremely risky and unnecessarily so. One guy with a machine gun retaliates and you have one or two casualties right out of the gate, and then you're even more invariably screwed. It was just a poorly conceived idea all around.
I suppose, but it would probably feel like a rehash of the Kenny/Lilly thing in season 1, which was the same basic concept. Two sides of the same coin, but never getting along.
I agree, considering the very common glorifying of assholes like Nate so prominent in this fandom. Though I imagine most would begin to amusingly turn on Nate if he started smacking Clementine around too, which is what seems to have tipped the scale in favor of Troy hate.
I didn't mean to be cold; I'm just really compassionate towards Clem and Kenny, and when someone hurts them or lets them get hurt, I simply don't like that person. If Kenny is being beaten with a walkie-talkie and you do nothing to help him, you are definitely not getting on my good side.
And if you hit Clementine with the butt of a rifle when she tries to help him? Well then you've just made yourself a new enemy.
Sigh
Look at this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJeuK1Pl2bQ
That's determinant.
He would of suffered the same pain and he probably did that so Clementine wouldn't get beat by Carver.
HE STILL SAVED HER!
But he still hits her, showing that it's an in-character decision for him. There's other ways he could have prevented her from reaching Kenny. He didn't have to hit her in the face with his gun.
Troy doesn't give a crap about Clementine or any of the other group members. He calls her "as dumb as Sarah" and admits that he would have no qualms about slapping the hell out of Sarah. All he's concerned about is himself living through another day and staying on Carver's good side. You could argue that him saving Clementine was him saving his own ass (he wouldn't have to explain to Carver why she was dead while on his watch).
Ah, I don't think I have come across him saying "As dumb as Sarah." Care to tell me when that happened?
When you come out of the comic book store and he asks you why you were in there, if you remain silent you'll get that response.
You can see it at 12:57 in this video:
If he had any compassion he could have either 1)shot Carver with his AK-47 or 2) just help Clem stop Carver but he didn't so that shows me he only cares about himself. Plus he didn't have to buttstroke Clementine since he could have easily grab and restrain her since he's double her size and do you have any idea what buttstoking someone can do to them? Here is a video explaining what a buttstroke can do http://youtu.be/Rhz3P86d-Ko He's lucky that one blow didn't do the same amount of damage as the beating Carver gave to Kenny
If you stay silent when he ask to know why you were in the comic book store
I've been kicked in the groin and I can easily ignore the pain long enough to continue fighting. The reason the girl was able to hit the guy despite getting punched in the boob was because she had a higher pain tolerance than he did
I remember someone from these forums said that Jane shot him in the groin or privates because its classic sign of a rape victim. I don't know if I would feel sorry for him if she really got raped by him. And clearly rape happens in TWD, esp because everyone has already said that Rebecca was probably raped by Carver. I get maybe he has been manipulated too like everyone else, but Carver never asked him to rape anyone. Even with his personality.
Well said! What I don't get is why you have 6 upvotes, no downvotes, for saying the same thing as Dont_Look_Back, who only got downvotes for saying it (before my upvote). It's depressing to think that people find guys a better and more trustworthy source on the pain girls feel than girls themselves, and that people less willing to listen to a girl give an argument but willingly agree when a guy gives it.
None of this is your fault lol, I'm just musing. Reminds me of this onion article: http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-finally-put-in-charge-of-struggling-feminist-m,2338/
True, True. Also, I was quoting Lee when Brie says something similar about Crawford.
TROY HITS LITTLE GIRLS FUCK HIM! THE CHILD ABUSING FUCK GLAD HIS BALLS ARE GONE.
he saved clem tho
People who hit kids with guns shouldn't be able to make kids =P
No doubt he would have. Him and Carver.
I swear If I was playing as Lee and he did that I would of torn his fat face off.
Everyone would have.
Edit: Why am I getting dislikes, I was only saying Lee would have torn Troy's face off?
Tavia called Clem's new jacket ugly. Therefore, SHE IS A VILE INHUMAN BEING WITHOUT ANY COMPASSION AND MUCH WORSE THAN TROY
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(also she may have killed Carlos, which could have been an accident but maybe not)
Troy is a fuckwit.. end of discussion, he was made to be hated and died like he was meant to .. didn't know him for that long... didn't like him... Couldn't give two shits about him.
that's fair enough, lots of people have that opinion.
I don't know man - look through this whole thread - the downvotes people are getting are weird, and for the littlest things, and some not even opinion, just factual statements (like that Bonnie didn't hit Sarah). I gave you ups to try to balance it out. I know that the OP was banned for insults and I know he had multiple accounts - I strongly suspect that he was (still is?) using his multiple accounts to downvote people because I saw comments just posted in reply to him get 3 dislikes within 1 minute.
I don't know what it is for sure but there's a lot of negativity and bitterness in this thread especially.
Why Martinez ran isn't known though. I think he genuinely wanted to bring good people to the prison
Yeah it's weird.
Kenny that let a woman be ripped apart by walkers? The excuse that she was bitten is moot because she actually wasn't bitten until Lee and Kenny just debated until she was. I like le Kenny lots but he's done brutal things before for his own good. Those characters both do horrible things for their own good
He was running back to Woodbury to tell Philip where they were living.
What's bad with people liking Nate? Some antiheroes and villains are popular. Some are funny. It doesn't mean we'd like them irl
he's a shameless bootlicker,not a type that I want in clem's group
Robert Kirkman says he wants it to be ambiguous. In The Road To Woodbury SPOILERS
Martinez disagrees with the Gov's rule and helps Lilly, Doctor Stephens and Nurse Alice in a coup against the Gov. It could be either